hello, welcome back to the context with me, kasia madera, in london. and me, caitriona perry, in washington. we're spending this hour talking about president trump's second term and the focus is on the situation in los angeles. tear gas and stun grenades have been used against demonstrators in the city, angry at donald trump's crackdown on undocumented immigrants. we're following the ongoing situation in los angeles and the state's attorney general and governor are suing the trump administation

for deploying the national guard to intervene mr newsom has accused president trump of having flamed the fires of unrest after demonstrations were triggered last week by immigration raids targeting undocumented migrants. we can cross live to la and our correspondent there, carl nasman. we've been monitoring that situation there. how's it looking for you? we're among those people right now. this is one of several demonstrations planned for today, the fourth day of these protests in and around downtown los angeles. you can see some of that group here and it's been growing throughout the first 30 minutes or so. they gathered outside of the federal courthouse here, the federal detention centre, where some of those detained immigrants are being held just in the distance beyond this line of officers. -- just behind this it the california

national guard, guarding the entrance to that federal area. there are some heavy militarised vehicles there. right now, the atmosphere is a lot more calm than it was last night. we were here in and around the area and we saw cars being lit on fire, several clashes between demonstrators and the highway patrol. at one point, highway 101 was blocked by both directions. these are people out here condemning the actions of immigration officials, also condemning the actions of president trump. federal lighting scores of protesters, we have not seen them in the protest so far, they've mostly been guarding the area. the fact that people are still out on the streets is

a testimony. what are they telling you? there's a lot of emotion specifically because this area is about one third immigrant, has a very large immigrant community. there's a few wicked speak with. one of them is luna. tell us what you saw on sunday. yesterday, we are here. we turn off peacefully, but no matter what we did, they just started attacking us. eventually, they brought the horse did -- horses in. i got hit by two rubber bullets. can you show us where? what of them is my leg and the other is on my back, which i can't show you, but yes. why is it that you decide to come out today again? i have immigrant

parents in an immigrant family. some have citizenship, others haven't. even though they may not have got the rest, i know people have - friends of friends, family and family. it's very important to show support. there's not much we can do at the moment, but just to even show support, it helps, as long as we're very civil against them and not trying to cause chaos, which is exactly what we're trying to do. we learned a lot from yesterday. how does it make you feel in terms of the atmosphere and safety levels, having the national guard deployed? it doesn't make me feel safe because we're not being a threat. the only reason we antagonize is because they start pushing us. we're not really doing much to them. as you can see, everybody is peaceful. but the minute they start arming themselves like they're really going to do something or shoot at us,

that's when we start late, ok, if you want to come at us we have to defend ourselves. and that's the way it is, that's the way it always has been. we're not trying to go at them. you really think we are going to go for somebody who has a gun? we are trying to stay very peaceful. we did see as night fell, cars were lit on fire, people out downtown. what do you think about those actions? that point i don't agree on. those are protesters, that becomes opportunist. those are people who are looking for trouble, they are not protesters. anyone who is willing to protest and putting their life out your danger, they're not trying to look for trouble. but you do have opportunists in town, and that's who they are, that's what they're doing. thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us. they are expecting many more people to be coming out. clean-up efforts are continuing in los angeles

and there is still very heavy police presence. obviously, the city bracing for what may happen later on tonight and those pockets of violence that we saw last night, certainly hoping that won't return later on today. carl, to you and the team they are, thank you very much. stay safe and thanks to your guest as well. we have some breaking news on what we have been discussing with marines on the ground. we had reported earlier, reuters was saying they felt, they have sources saying forces were mobilised in los angeles. donald trump said he didn't think they are required at the time. there has been a

correction issued to say that three us officials said the military has put around 700 active-duty marines on high alert and could mobilise them in the coming days to support national guard. some officials and comments have been getting ahead of actual mobilisation orders. just a clarification to that reporting that we have been clearing ourselves earlier, that it seems that there is a preparedness and a sense that marines could be mobilised. just let correction coming to us from reuters. it is in line with what we've been reporting here ourselves from president trump, who said he didn't feel at this point that us marines need to be sent to los angeles. the defence secretary pete hegseth said that was a possibility, that he was prepared to release marines to los angeles should they be

required. but that would be moving the situation into a different place, it would be requiring a different legislative underpinning for president trump to make that decision. just a clarification coming to us from i believe cbs, actually, who corrected the report that had come from reuters earlier on. but we have been following the words of the president, who said it wasn't required at this time, but obviously a very active, very fluid situation there in los angeles. let's bring our panel. democratic strategist, mary ann marsh, former republican strategist and federal prosecutor joe moreno and abel maldonado, former lieutenant governor of california. mary ann, we've been seeing there, scenes of demonstrations outside the detention centre. the trigger has been the ice raids. approval that this began

with disapproval. how do you think this situation can maybe be resolved at least in the short term to take the heat of the situation in los angeles? i think overall, 55%, the cbs latest poll to today said 53-55% of americans support cracking down on immigration. but 63% say they want due process, so it's not about the issue of immigration itself, it's how it's being dealt with. i'm in massachusetts, and across the country and across massachusetts, ice is wearing masks on their face. they are plucking people off the streets, putting them in vans, resting them whether if it's student, an 18-year-old who was driving to volleyball practice in milford, massachusetts. it's

things like that. the way these raids are being done and the way they're being forced to hit a quota of 3000 arrests a day, everyone is collateral damage. when you listen to people talk about this, they support having an orderly integration process. they don't support the person they go to church with or the waitress they work with or a kid in that volleyball team in high school being arrested this way. i think that's the real problem here, and i would just remind everyone that before the election, there was a bipartisan immigration bill that was ready to pass. republicans and democrats alike voted for it. donald trump killed the bill, told republicans not to vote for it because he wanted it as a campaign issue. now he's got it as an issue and -- in the white house. that's just a protest you're showing. but that doesn't give anyone the justification to overrule the

law, which is governors in this country have the right to manage and order the national guard in their state, not to have the president of the united states tell them that he's going to do it. we don't do any good if we are breaking the law in the name of trying to implement the law. the last point i would make on this is when you look at all the people across this country and what they voted for, they didn't vote for this. the majority of people in the country believe donald trump when he said they're going to get the criminals first. that's not who they're arresting. 70% of the people they are shipping to el salvador have no record. we have 50% of all people they've arrested, and yet they won't even review or disclose whether they have records. to the former lieutenant governor's point, many of these arrests have occurred in courthouses

where immigrants are going to the court ordered appearance, and they do the appearance, they've done on the right things, they walk out of the courtroom and then they get arrested. that's not what people supported or voted for, and that's why people are in the streets expressing their constitutional right of freedom of speech and the right to assemble. mary ann, we're going to come back to that really important point, whether these have been detained do indeed have criminal records because the immigration and customs enforcement office up until april said three in four arrests had criminal records. we will get the thoughts of abel and joe very shortly, but as always, we have to

you are with bbc news and we are continuing to monitor what happened in los angeles. we've also got our expert panel. democratic strategists mary ann marx, republican strategist joe marino. we are also joined by former lieutenant governor of california, abel maldonano. just before we took the break, mary ann was making the point as to the criminal records as of those who have been detained. they set up until april, they had detained as they described it, just over 3,000 illegal aliens. we know that since then, there are schools across los angeles,

including one in particular called torrance elementary school, where a nine-year-old has gone missing, a apparently detained with his parents. kids aren't criminals, is this right? i do respect mary ann, but she's actually wrong. the law says ordered by the president should be issued through the governor. it doesn't say with the governor's permission. will be the point of having a federal law of the state governor can overwrite it? it doesn't make any sense. in two weeks, when that is thrown out, i'll say i told you so. we're kind of moving the bar here. a basic tenant being a prosecutor is you have

limited resources. so you focus on who is a rapist and who is a nonviolent white-collar criminal. that doesn't change the fact that they're criminals. if an illegal alien... we can prioritise those deportations, but the fact is they all committed a crime by being here illegally, and yes, there are plenty of stories that are sympathetic. but if a parent commits a crime, you put them in jail, you separate them from the child, as sad as that is. there's plenty of sympathy out there and i have sympathy, but if we keep changing the standard here, who has also committed another crime, that's just not true. mary ann, we have to give you a right of reply there. yeah, i would just say joe is wrong on that. if we extended the show by talking about the governor of louisiana, during hurricane katrina, saying that he was going to use it the way he

wanted to. the standard was set by donald trump in terms of going after criminals, game members, rapists and all that. that's what people voted for. that's not what they're doing. last point, ice, homeland security and all that can say whatever they want, but they have refused to release any information or proof of the arrest records and others so that any... they can claim it, but they've lost the doubt given the reporting that has been done over the last six or so weeks. able, where it is what we're seeing in los angeles leave us in terms of the chances of a comprehensive reform happening? i want to believe that immigration reform is on that we have in america. it's simple if you have the will that you want to do. i'll say this - both political

parties have failed america when it comes to immigration. i'm not going to sit here and blame president trump that it's his fault, it's not. he came in and made a very clear that he was going to deport criminals, but can we get an immigration reform system? look, i think we can. under these situations, i think it's going to be very difficult. let's not forget barack obama had the house, he had the senate, couldn't do it. george w. bush had the house and the senate, he couldn't do it. joe biden obviously had a mixture, he didn't want to do it. now we're to the situation. i think part of the situation we're seeing here is congress failed to produce an immigration system or a programme that will work for america. but we're past that at this point in time. 11-12,000,000 people who came

here illegally need to be deported, we're on a mission to do that, not quick enough, to be honest. as the protester said, she said she was protesting because she had family. we have professional protesters causing this problem. you can't bank on gavin newsom. la is on fire, it's got protesters, 101 is shut down. "let's sue president trump, it's 's problem." my god, give me a break. we have to move forward. your family started a strawberry farm and you built it up into something absolutely huge. i just wonder when it comes to the migrant workforce that the united states is built off the back of, what will you lose given that so many thousands of people will be deported from

the united states? you know the economics of this. it's going to cost the united states. look, we need to look at how many people came in over the last four years. we don't know who they are. on the questions of being a farmer, i'm a farmer, and everybody immediately says agriculturalists need undocumented folks. let me just make one thing clear here. how many farms are in downtown los angeles? not many. how many farms are in manhattan? not many. how many farmers are in chicago, miami and houston? not many. most of the undocumented folks are in the big cities in america. they're looking for a system in place. we don't have one. we have to continue with what we have. this notion that the national guard is a problem to the latino community, my community... i love my country

and to see what's going on in la today with my hispanic friends waving mexican flags and lighting cars, that's not who we are. that's not who hispanics are, american hispanics. it burns me to be very sincere, because it puts a black eye on everyone in the community. this is our country. abel, we hear you loud and clear. let's get joe back in here because i just wonder when you look at what is happening on the ground across los angeles and potentially some critics saying this could happen in other states - gavin newsom himself saying it could happen in other states. is that the direction of travel for the united states as a whole? let's

hope not, but as lieutenant governor maldonado said, california and is run poorly in this regard. most likely, much more common since governors and mayors would welcome the assistance of the federal government. it's only difficult because california has let itself get so overrun and governor newsom is putting his to head together, he's going to court to fight him. i think you'll see some states that are run particularly poorly in california is one of them. now they're reaping what they've sown in the way they manage to run their state. only until they change things, things will get any better. mary ann, we mentioned earlier in the programme that california is the richest us state. in your opinion, is it being run by the? is the fourth largest economy in the world. -- run

badly. i think there are challenges. but you didn't see any of this until the raids started in the fashion district and other parts of la. it seems to be prickly targeted to blue states and blue cities run by democrats either as governor or as mayor or both. i think that's the issue here, and i think going forward, there have been some reported exceptions. but i think the strategy here by the truck team -- trump team is pretty clear. they're playing offence and as a result, everyone else is playing defence, and unfortunately, this is an issue that is highly charged and emotional and unfortunately, it's not being handled well. but i think that's part of it. the fact that we're talking about this today means we're not talking about the big bad budget bill. we're not talking about elon musk in the fight he's having with donald trump.

we have so much to discuss. mary ann, joe and