hello, welcome to the context with geeta guru-murthy in london and sumi somaskanda in washington, where this hour we'll be focusing on president trump's second term. tonight - protests against immigration enforcement spread across the us - but the president is doubling down on his response. left-wing radicals viciously attacked ice and border patrol officials as well as los angeles police officers. are coming after all these people, this is the beginning, not the end. this was provoked by the white house and when you run armoured caravans through our streets, you're not keeping anyone safe, you're trying to cause fear in panic. joining us tonight are former congressman stephanie murphy and republican

strategist brian lanza. welcome to the programme - we take a look at president trump's second term. later this hour - are us-china trade ties finally on the mend? the president confirms there's a deal for review, we'll unpack what it means for the economy, and ordinary americans. first, let's take you live to la. it's just 1pm local time. we're in the fifth successive day of unrest on the streets. in a moment, we'll cross to our correspondent who is at the scene. deep divisions remain over the president's deployment of national guard and marines to los angeles - without a request from the california governor gavin newsom, who is totally opposed to the move. a little earlier we got more detail on what the military will be able to do, with the general leading the deployment of marines to the city confirming they could detain - but not arrest - protesters.

so strictly for the protection of the federal personnel and the protection of the federal building, they are allowed to temporarily detain and wait for law enforcement to come and arrest them. they do not do any arrest they are here to wait for law enforcement to come and handle those demonstrators. on truth social, the president doubled down on his decision - while his administation continues to defend the deployment as lawful and constitutional. president trump will never allow a mob rule to prevail in america. the most basic duty of government is to preserve law and order in this administration embraces that sacred responsibility. protests began in la on friday, but they've since spread

to cities in states across the country: texas to the south, illinois and washington in the north, and pennsylvania on the east coast. in the last few hours, more developments from some of those mass arrests. the la county attorney announced that criminal charges would be filed against two men who allegedly threw molotov cocktails. authorities warn more charges will come. our community must be kept safe for peaceful protests and against thugs and criminals looking to start trouble. we expect more charges to be filed in the coming days and weeks and if you took part in these riots are looking to cause trouble, we will come looking for you. donald trump says without the deployment of the national guard, los angeles would have 'burned to the ground'. california's leaders say it's the president escalating tensions. and there was this warning from governor gavin newsom overnight. this is about all of us. this is about you. california may be first but he clearly will not end here. other states are next. democracy is next. democracy is under assault

before our eyes, this moment we have feared has arrived. our correspondent carl nasman has been following developments from los angeles. where exactly are you? we are where many of the demonstrations have started over the past five or six days or so, a different scene a lot calmer than what we have seen over the past couple of days you can see behind me, almost more media gathered here than the demonstrators, small crowds we have seen that tend to grow as the hours passed still early in the afternoon and interesting to note from this, the national guard members who have sparked some controversy for being deployed here by the president and the department of homeland security police as well as police forces associated with immigration and customs enforcement and the big

news is that curfew that was put in place last night at 8pm and that only lasted until six in the morning and right now, no curfew in place for this area of los angeles is about one square mile radius where people are prevented from gathering and we are out on the streets looking local police officers tried to clear this showing a big show of force with police officers on horseback and a large number of lines just pushing people out there were some arrests made about 200 arrests, two officers were injured but listening to the mayor speaking to media today, he said it played out the way they're hoping but they're going to keep that curfew in place for an undefined amount of time and in keeping that for a few more days, keep things under control especially when night falls you. what would you say the mood of the protesters and the

risk of what ice and the military might do. why be the widest since there? i don't think that mood is changed and there's still a lot of anger over this immigration enforcement actions we have seen here and they do continue and we have seen some of those rates taking place in a car wash, several different carwashes in hearing rumours that there was another enforcement operation action happening earlier nearby. those will continue in those emotions continue too and there is some worry in the mayor touched on this referring to the curfew or whether it will be lifted in the coming days of those enforcement operations to continue, we could still see some anger spark up in los angeles and the other factor at play here are those marines are sent to the area and that is also an issue and whether or not, bill be deployed here we have an update from other

commanders that is associated with a group saying they are not in the city yet but they are expected to arrive potentially as soon as today but their role be similar to the national guard that is here there will be guarding the federal buildings and they won't be really able to interact with protesters, they'll be more standing regarding these buildings. many thanks. let's bring the panel - stephanie murphy and bryan lanza. things seem to have calmed down a bit we have law enforcement taking care of the protests that night and how do you assess where things stand right now? it is pretty clear that the overwhelming force that was displayed by the national guard in the marines is calmed on the situation. i think the biggest concern was like we had during the george floyd protest that the democratic governors and democratic mayors would allow the protests escalate and get

further and will be learned as president trump is not going to allow that this time in his decisive action whether controversial or not pre-much stop the spread of violence throughout. the federal guard, national guard were federalized were not taking part in any of the enforcement operations or cracking down on protests. it's the show of force, the end of the dates the show of force that matters more than anything else we have seen of these protesters respond to the show force in the show of force matters, if that showed force during had the had the defund the police movement that took place through the democratic cities, we would not have the burning federal buildings for the record assault that took place through these environments member present trouble and from the first time but we have known throughout the law enforcement practices is that the show force is ultimately the deterrent, not the actual actions of that force. stephanie murphy, what do you say to that point that donald trump was elected to crackdown on illegal immigration? is someone who used to work there, military

and officers and other personnel, they have been trained and understanding that their role domestically should be very limited and in 1878, the act really prohibited the use of military force including in domestic law enforcement and so, that is going to be a real challenge for the people who are following these orders, i think of a broader issue for the democrats is that this is a public relations issue and not everybody has an incrimination with the military in the united states nor do they understand the rules under which we would normally deploy our military and it's a hard argument to make and i think a lot of the george floyd summer is featuring pretty prominently in

the minds of people and for the democrats were running los angeles and california, they need to be able to balance that with one order. do you think that gavin newsom's position is the right one then? gavin newsom's position is the one that is as he is clearly going to be running and for democratic bases and willing to stand up and fight, the others that he is right on is that california spends $80 billion more than others that they receive from the federal government and finding the very people who are without the request of the california governor, having military forces within its state and he

certainly has a right to express his position and certainly it is animating the democratic base. on the limited role that the military supposed to play in domestic situations. does the trump administration run a risk here? no, listen. i think you see presidents over the years use the national guard, from california and i remember when the national guard was deployed during the 92 riots. and we have a history of using military and national guard at the request of the governor. the last time they were deployed without the request of the governor... we also have a recent history of governors neglecting the responsibility of safety and not calling in the national guard when it's needed and the only action have to four years of george floyd knows the prime

example of governors, democratic blue state governors being derelict in their duties and not going to call in the national guard we have this crisis. seattle took nearly over a month to bring back to normal and that's because the blue state governor, the democratic governor that it was more important to let these protesters burned their city than to hold people accountable if that's the position. i just want to come back to today's protest are protest during the george floyd time that they saw. what we're seeing now is los angeles police have said the the deployment of troops could provide or post some logistical challenges and it wasn't necessarily proved that the lapd didn't have the situation under control. what proof do you need, saw images of burning cars and i saw a highway patrol officers cars being burned and as of the act of attempted murder somebody through a cinder block over the bridge towards the car, how

much violence do you need before you ask these governors actually do the responsibility. for me, it's the burning of cars, this will ultimately have, because you have these blue state governors in these blue state mayors were sanctuary cities proponents and sponsors and champions, they don't help federal law enforcement to their job. what were they doing with the start of these riots when they took place. they were deporting rapists, they are deporting people who have assaulted women, who of salted kids, there are deporting people who committed violent acts against old people. that's what governor gavin newsom in the democratic party wants to defend, we certainly encourage them to do that, but the reality is the vast majority of the countries supports the deportation policies and receded in the polling and their supporting its taking place in los angeles which is the enforcement of law. deportation policies, this deploying the national guard

without the request of the california governor will also be contested in court. there is a lot more to be said about the ice deportation enforcement operations

while hundreds of people have been arrested since the while hundreds of people have been arrested since protests in los angeles began, one has become a rallying cry for immigration advocates around the us. a california labor leader was arrested on friday while protesting outside a business that was suspected of employing undocumented immigrants and falsifying employment records. the criminal complaint says while federal agents were executing search warrants, david huerta 'deliberately obstructed' their access to the worksite by blocking their vehicle.

he refused to move and was later taken into custody. his arrest caused union members and immigrant advocates to lead rallies and call for his release in cities including chicago, new york and boston. mr huerta was released on monday but he still faces a federal charge of felony conspiracy to impede an officers. he spoke shortly after his release i wanted to tell them that i hope, and i don't know if the right word is forgiveness, that it was not my intention to be arrested. that i hope that i have not put them in harm's way. let's bring the panel - stephanie murphy and bryan lanza. do you think it was a mistake to arrest a union leader because by bringing in the unions like this, that does

attract a wider support base to those opposed to his policies. i happen to know david, i've worked in known david really well and i tell him but i tell every way, do not impede the actions of ice officers, you will get arrested and you will get charge. david is a high probability of being charged with objection obstruction of justice with ice agents and you'll be punished for those crimes. this should be an example to everybody, let ice do their job. they're working within the law, there deporting illegal aliens and most of the illegal aliens are rapists and murderers and violent people, let them do their jobs and do not interfere. you interfere, you put yourself in criminal liability, i would not be surprised if david turned and subserving -- in subserving time and california leaders should be condemning the imputing of his actions. and that can lead to more arrests of leaders such as david, it is a shame these

going to be arrested in the process is going to be what it is, but he did to himself. stephanie, what you think of this, because this is a very important union not just in california but across the country. it just highlights the fine line that the democrats have to walk at this moment in terms of protesting but not feeding the narrative that this administration wants to push and the party needs to reclaim the mantle and also stand for the constitutional rights of protest and they need to be able to do that in a way that is aligned with the rules that exist and it will be determined by the court system, whether or not he committed any crimes but it highlights the fine line that the democrats have to walk

as they tried to protest the injustice that they see and the first amendment rights and also follow the rule of law. larger picture by the deportation operations because you talk about the type of people who are being detained and deported, one of the issues that we have seen and why someone like david has stepped in there is because there are concerns that workers are getting caught up in this as well and with congressmen, republican congressman from california said is he is urging the administration to prioritise the removal of known criminals over the hard-working people who have lived peacefully in the valley for years. what you think of that? listen, david is from the central valley in the central valley is critical to the economy and migrant workers play a role in that. and so, the congressman is doing everything he can i know david really well i know what he

speaks of. i've worked on those issues and it is critical. but at the end of the day, whether it's in los angeles or the streets of los angeles, whether it's drug dealers, rapists or other types of criminals or whether it's even workers in the central valley, we have laws in this country and the law says that if you are an illegal alien, you cannot work you're committing state and federal crimes by working. what is wrong with enforcing those laws. any davis asked him self that and explained his constituents but we are enforcing federal law and this is the consequence of federal law. if we do not want these deportation policies to take place, and i encourage stephanie of the democrats to go before congress and state amnesty all over again. are there going to lose the discussion because the american people do not want amnesty any more. will come back to this conversation in just a moment but we going to move on to some international focus not because this all comes as the trouble administration is sticking out its foreign policy agenda we

have seen our economic policy, tariffs in particular became a central tool of the trump administrations engagement with allies and adversaries alike, more on that later. fault lines with the traditional allies with eroding us influence abroad. on capitol hill this all comes as this trump administration is staking out its foreign policy agenda. we've seen how economic policy - tariffs in particular - have become a central tool of the trump administration's engagement with allies and adversaries alike. on capitol hill today, defense secretary pete hegseth faced questioning from senators over the trump administration's handling of the war in ukraine and the president's ties with russia's vladimir putin - including from republican senators. here's mitch mcconnell: allies against authoritarian aggressors? that's the international concern that i have about this and i think a number, a number of you share

that view. meanwhile the financial times is reporting that the pentagon launched a review of the 2021 submarine deal with the uk and australia - called aukus. according to the ft, the review is intended to determine whether the us should scrap the project - and that has both the uk and australia concerned. the bbc asked for the clarification - and a defense official said that the department is "reviewing aukus as part of ensuring that this initiative of the previous administration is aligned with the president's america first agenda." the official goes on to say that this means that "allies step up fully to do their part for collective defense, and that the defense industrial base is meeting our needs." let's bring the panel - stephanie murphy and bryan lanza. starting with you, what you think the prospect that this deal could be reviewed now to see if it is in line with the trump administration's america first initiatives. when i

worked on the committee that relationship has been very beneficial over the years i know this will be an unfortunate piece of news for allies who have to work with us on this and have constantly been by her side and there is uncertainty in the alliance. and it's an unfortunate element in the uncertainty is the game of this administration and its very concerning. are you surprised that it's being reviewed given president trump's position on china? i think everything needs to be

reviewed. i think every president has the prerogative. he saw president barack obama review george w bush policies with respect to afghanistan and iraq. and we had president trump review trump's obama's policies and things need to make plays and the goal still the same, you still have to counter china. australia plays a key role in that, the uk plays a key role but there's nothing wrong with making sure that it is aligned and if things need to take place, we can have those conversations earlier rather than later. and if there's been any change to this agreement, such as being reviewed to see if it aligns with the america first policies but stephanie, coming back to you, the other point that we're looking at which does include america's reputation abroad and influence abroad was the us role in efforts to get a cease-fire in ukraine war what

do you make of what we have seen in recent weeks at this moment, doesn't look like the us is efforts have borne any fruit. it turns out, the trump administration and the fact that is presented during the campaign and it doesn't appear that the trump administration has that much influence over putin and what he is doing and what he is launched and affecting civilians in response to ukrainian attacks and very surgical attacking just the equipment that had been bombing their country. i find it very unfortunate that america cannot be relied upon any more by europe or by ukraine to stand up for democracy in countries

that have common values. discussions on the middle east, on ukraine, do you think those allies going to trust any deal that's made? i think they have to. the reality is that you're stepping in looking at russia and if you are europe and really scared of russia's inclusion -- incursion, have to look at and say, well, why would we some type of agreement with china who is funding this war machine? your best to look at themselves make a decision where they want to be in the world today. donald trump is abundantly clear, he sees china as a direct threat to the status quo of the world order that we see today, china sees themselves as a key player in europe seems to be confused and we need clarity of europe. we are going to end it there and

be back in a few minutes, thank you so much and we'll see