hello, welcome back. i'm sumi in washington and i'm kasia madera in london. this is the context on bbc news a judge has ordered the columbia university student mahmoud khalil to be released on bail from us immigration detention, where he has been held for more than three months over his activism against israel's war in gaza. the us vice president is on his way to california, jd vance will be in los angeles where he'll tour a federal building command center and meet marines. it comes as the trump

administration is celebrating a victory in its standoff with california over anti-deportation protests there. on thursday a federal appeals court unanimously allowed the president to retain control of the national guard in california, rejecting a challenge from california governor gavin newsom. as a reminder, it was just last week that protests flared up in los angeles over immigration raids carried out by federal agents. president trump sent four thousand national guard troops and 700 marines to the los angeles area to support federal response to large demonstrations. the raids in america's second-biggest city are unfolding against the backdrop of an aggressive push to raise arrest and deportation numbers. according to the agency, ice, or immigration and customs enforcement, made more than 66,000 arrests in the first 100 days

of trump's second term, but on the campaign trail the president promised to deport millions of immigrants. meanwhile, white house border czar tom homan said on thursday that the trump administration will resume immigration raids at workplaces. in other developments, in the last hour a federal judge has ordered columbia university student and activist mahmoud khalil to be released on bail, after he has spent over three months in detention. mr khalil became a symbol of the the trump administration's crackdown on universities and foreign students when us immigration and customs enforcement arrested him in new york on 8 march. mr khalil was a prominent voice in columbia's pro-palestinian protests last year, and his arrest sparked demonstrations in new york and washington, dc. let's discuss all this with hamed aleaziz, dhs and immigration reporter at the new york times. great devey with us and thank you for joining and we heard the president just a short while ago -- great to have you with us. arrests by ice and

forms and hospitality industries and he did say again that he is worried about farmers but they need is to be able to arrest criminals. how does that align with what you have been hearing in general from dhs? this, last week you said the same thing in a similar sentiment and this is something that he is actually repeated over the last couple of months and late last week, actually, ice senior leadership informed their agents to largely refrain from work site operations at farms, hotels and restaurants but since then, the agency and the agency leaders and administration leaders are really much more talking about returning to work side raids and so, it is really unclear as to where the work site raids

and where their industries will target and i think they'll be something we need to focus on moving forward. how much is the president also looking at public mood towards these deportation efforts? i think, you know, he was elected after campaigning on mass deportations to discuss relentlessly this idea of deporting millions of people but when these images and stories start coming out about families being separated by deportations or ice arresting individuals and communities and they backed these individuals, these types of things rally the public, perhaps against some of these policies and so, the president and a lot of the people of this administration turned to this idea of deporting the worst of the worst, alleged criminals and others, i think we'll be seeing more of that moving forward.

what about this effort to ramp up arrests of 3000 a day, is that even possible for ice? anything is possible but one thing is clear, they have not hit 3000 arrests a day and they have not come close to that and it is really challenging, ice arrests take a lot of work in these officers often times, they do not have warrants enter homes in their often forced to wait outside homes for people to come out or stop people while they're driving and a lot of this takes a lot of officers time and resources and so 3000 arrests a day is really, really challenging. and what is the impact that this deportation programme is having on the communities where their carrying out these rates? we, on the day were president trump came into office, there were

major high amounts of fear in american communities that ice was going to come and deport people, people were refraining from going to certain places in their communities, barbershops and now, we are seeing reports in los angeles of the effects of their communities, people are not going to the same gathering places as before as a result of the recent targeting of the los angeles area by the department of homeland security agents. really good to get your reporting and perspective on the story, thank you so much. fascinating to hear. the real impact on the ground across la and it's just staggering to think those protests are just happening a week ago and so much as happened but you join us from la, what is your experience following those upheavals? it is interesting because los angeles is massive.

on the news, each of the los angeles is under attack and it's a very small percentage of downtown that even had a curfew and the only real effect for most is that there is one highway ) a small part of a day. and that has happened in other protests including the armenian shut down the highway across the republican national debate. there is a debate out here at the republican national committee hosted in the armenians wanted attention to what was going on in azerbaijan. but because donald trump is sending the national guard because the marines are now here, and because ice is on the streets, there picking up people and that is scaring everyone, there is a different feeling in los angeles and i will tell you, normally on your next-door neighbourhood forms, there's a lot of, or more republicans in california than there are in most states, as a lot of republicans for that sentiment and they've been pretty muted right now as i've

been watching so many people who know people whose kids go to school with families who are truly suffering and do not know where in and or an uncle or a grandparent is and this is not helping our economy which is the fourth largest in the world of course, california will stand by that when they go against donald trump but immigration except our economy and could help the whole of the united states. how do you think president trump will handle you don't want to hurt farmers but he promised mass deportations and wanted 3000 arrests a day. two different issues, trying to keep public order because windows were smashed and cursed set on fire, that's her thing, not to engage in deportations which was brought public support for law and order and

there was remorse that hadn't been done due to the riots in 2020. but what's done by ice is a different matter, broad public support for deporting violent criminals, i keep hearing the word arrests being thrown around but you should keep in mind that deportation is not, in many cases these people are not being arrested properly, they are being detained and scheduled for deportation, there should be due process certainly still involving that and noncitizens do not in all cases, they have the same rights as citizens with respect to being arrested if they're going to be church of some crime, they don't necessarily have the same rights to be in this country of your notices in. i believe that prioritising the violent criminals is a smart politics, the best way to make use of ice's limited resources where it's just simply trying to deport all of the millions of people who are here illegally

will be in some cases, under law-abiding circumstances for decades will be, i agree with joanna on that, disruptive to our economy and i do not think there is the same desire to create a police state domestically to accomplish that. certainly, some members of the trump administration like stephen miller absolutely do want that to be the policy and like the foreign policy there is a genuine difference of opinion that is being debated within the administration and just the public conservative commentary world. for the time being, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and will get some more of your thoughts, including the big moments of the week that have really resonated with you and

as we come to the end of the working week, let's bring back our panel to get your thoughts on some of the moments from the past week that made an impact on you both. and joanna, politicians protecting themselves i think we should be concerned about that violence because last weekend, that was one of the most heinous attacks on elected leaders in minnesota where you had someone dressed as a police officer show up and shoot and kill a state representative and shoot and wound state senator and both of their spouses. why it is so troubling, we are seeing political violence on the rise, we saw president trump, multiple assassination attempts on his life and the trouble i

have is that is in and of itself terrible but the reaction afterwards this week was so troubling because you had two different narratives, some people saying that the shooter was a left-wing inspired appointee and the other saying that this was a right wing trump supporter and those two camps, there are people who fundamentally believe that and that is troubling and i hope that we can find a shared common ground on these really important issues so that we can move forward and try to prevent this in the future. truly a horrific incident of violence. robbie, i think you have been looking at the disagreements and the maga coalition on this programme underlying once again by president trump talking about gabbard. i also want to

highlight agreements in unexpected places, the need for bipartisanship and find that things done on a bipartisan basis just means it's growing our government are adding to our deficit but interesting bipartisan moment this week, calmness, a republican congressman my most conservative members of the house sponsoring a resolution with one of the most progressive members of the house democrat to reassert that the power to declare war on iran rests with congress, it is not rests with the president, this is an important thing that's kind being missed in this entire discussion. donald trump may not unilaterally declare war on a sovereign nation, he can engage in response if we are attacked, he has authorisation to go to terrace by attacking iran would be an act of war that congress must sign off on, our founding documents give the party congress however, our congress is very uninterested in doing its job on a number of issues, the want to be talking heads on

television, unfortunately. it's as glad to see a republican, democrat, come together to just remind our president, any president, the office of the presidency that they carry out the foreign policy of the congress and it is congress job in this war should be debated and discussed and voted on so that the people who vote for and against it can be held accountable by the voters, just as they were for the iraq war, i can see why they do not want that but some people in congress would like to make that happen in that it's good thing. as we wait to see what president trump decides within this margin with pretty much in limbo, really difficult situation but fascinating for both of you. guy's, i have to say it is hot here in the uk, heat waves have been declared across large parts of england and wales after another day of scorching weather, parts of europe are on alert for a major heatwave this weekend. it's also very hot here in dc and about to get harder across the us is weakened and intensifying

heat dome is forecast to bring days in extreme conditions including severe storms and high humidity. happening against the stark warning from a team of leading scientists who say the earth could breach the symbolic 1.5 celsius warning limit in as little as three years. climate change is not been a priority for the trump administration, rolling back and limits on greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel power plants, the epa and environment protection agencies argued that they are not a major contributor to air pollution. and climate scientists overwhelmingly point to co2 however, overwhelmingly point to co2 emissions as a significant driver of climate pollution. let's bring in our panel for today, robby soave, co-host of the hill's news commentary series program

rising and johanna maska, former aid to us president barack obama. or so heard him say that he doesn't understand why iran needs nuclear capabilities, not talking about nuclear weapons but nuclear capabilities when they have so much oil. he just doesn't seem to get it. it comes to climate change, this is something that most young people in america actually agree on that we need to come this and work together and the new technologies are not only better for a climate but they're better and more reliable for us, energy security is important. and it is always awful to talk about with people from los angeles and 72 and sunny here, but we have a little bit of june gloom going on and in the mornings, there's a little bit more overcast and then, the sunshine in the afternoon but we have awful fires so we are not immune, no one is immune and we

need to tackle this together and unfortunately, we have a lot of older politicians in washington who are putting their head in the sand on the issue. what do you think of this, not only rolling back environment or protections and also if you look at the big beautiful bill that would essentially ask those tax credits that were in the clean energy and it doesn't seem like this is going to be on the agenda at all. i think republicans would like to get rid of regulatory barriers to make it more difficult to innovate in the space and you're right, there's less interest in giving tax credits or tax breaks to specific industries or firms and i'm for whatever it is preferable can stand on its own, great, we can't get ahead of ourselves and incumbent on us all to mitigate the worst and most ill effects of climate change but we also can expect everyone to make so many sacrifices, especially the developed world

when china and other places are large polluters. some of the environmental standards included truly absurd and ridiculous, and my view, changes to the way washers and dryers work, if you talk to anyone who had to buy a dryer in recent years, they just don't try to close because of the new epa standards and so, i'm relieved that that was changed by doesn't mean were not serious about tackling climate change, nuclear has to be a part of the energy conversation as you mentioned and i would actually go after some on the left for being afraid of that conversation. but yes, it is policy that we are to come together to find a sensible way forward and in dc, it's pretty hard every day of the summer. it is 72 degrees and i'm assuming fahrenheit for our celsius people. it's going to get hotter and he and the uk, were experiencing really hot weather, and the divide between the younger generation in order, is that something

that is really pulling the country apart and just briefly, if you would? i don't know if it's pulling the country apart but it's promising for future. palliser was certainly brief. -- that was certainly brief. it's not on top of everybody's mind but everyone agrees that we do not want to make the planet a worse place but what can we reasonably do? recycle, we find out how the exposes of benign recycling now where it all actually ends up in the same dump somewhere and doesn't matter. we want to be good stewards and we want to make reasonable sacrifices to help the planet and not deliver malice but what actually works and would suggest some of the most dire predictions of alarmists, is a bunch of different, could be this, he

could be this, and we just wait and see. great to have you with us and thank you so much.