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tv   Charlie Rose  Bloomberg  September 1, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm EDT

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>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> i've grown up in this museum, my father was director of this museum for 26 years. not modern, but this museum is a amily. the culture kept us all together. all russians want to recreate the great russia. we told the story of imperial russia, which everybody wants to
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ecreate somehow. it's a frame which helps you understand what really is needed to create something that will look good as the good sides of imperial russia. we have central buildings and we have built big buildings for open storage to show everything we have, to be successful for the public. all the carriages, all the furniture. our goal is to bring to herm taj collections of american -- to hermitage collections of american hart. to be a great state means a great army, good economy and great collections in museums. we live for the future and we live because of the past. charlie: tonight we tour inside one of the largest and oldest
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repositories of art and culture in the world. all of my life i have wanted to museum in ermitage st. petersburg, russia. it's where catherine the great began assembling her personal collection in 1764. today it houses items from the anticy i it is -- antiquities to the largest painting collection in the world. on a recent trip i was finally able to visit this. , guide, mikhail piotrovsky the director of the museum he inherited the post from his father and has guided it in russia's transition from the soviet union to vladimir putin. he invited me to visit on a saturday afternoon. the museum was full of people. this is not movie making perfection but it is what it
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would be like if you were there yourself. so join us as we examine the history of its vast interiors and look at some of the most famous works of titian, rem brant, picasso and ma tees. we begin in -- and mit -- matisse. we simply took advantage of an extraordinary opportunity and wanted to take you with us on the journey. we are in the office at the hermitage of mikhail piotrovsky. we have known each other for a long time and he's been on my program a number of times, including most recently when he came to new york to talk about the 250th anniversary of this museum. this is his office. it looks like the office of anybody who loves books, loves art, loves culture. but it is from this office that he direct this is magnificent
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museum and its extensions, the art they bring in, the art the allow -- he allows to be seen around the world this great museum put together by catherine first as a palace, then as a museum, recently celebrating its 250th anniversary. he's assumed the directorship of this museum following his father. there's a photograph of his father here. but he's been to america a number of times. this is the first time i have een in st. petersburg and in hermitage. of all the things i wanted to do, certainly high on the list was to interview the president, but secondly was to come here in this place and see this man. mikhail: thank you. welcome to hermitage. this is my office now, it was my father's office but historically it was the office of the cabinet of ministers of the russian
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empire. now it's to a -- now it's a working office, and it is historical. the desk belonged to alexander to alexander iii. he -- this belonged to tchaikovsky. this is the way of diplomatic gifts. they give portraits as diplomatic gifts. charlie: the queen and king. prince phillip. mikhail: the queen of the netherlands. friends of hermitage. charlie: and there's the clock that tells us it's noon in moscow. mikhail: and there's a cannon. charlie: a canon that goes off at -- a cannon goes off at noon. may i take this? this is your father.
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mikhail: yes, my father worked 26 his life in hermitage, years as direct york but all his life, 70 years, from young student to direct yomple he was an archaeologist. great archaeologist. charlie: but your expertise is arab and islamic art. mikhail: it is. charlie: and you took over from him at his death. mikhail: yes it was in 1991, he died. in 1992 i became director. i was appointed director of hermitage. charlie: there's a remarkable similarity between the two of you. mikhail: he was very tall a bit taller than you. my mother wasn't. charlie: what was the legacy that he left you? mikhail: the legacy was the first one the scholarship is the main thing for the museum.
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he was a scholar and traditionally of the museums are scholars, must publish book, my last book just came out two days ago. scholarship should be the base of everything. scholarship and culture. this is the legacy which you need a lot of time and effort to protect because this problem of the museum is an important one to show. charlie: repeat the question that you have to ask. the museum is -- mikhail: the museum is more a temple and the university. charlie: the museum is more of a temple. and a university. it is not a display. s the home of the best the sismization can produce. mikhail: yes and it needs some explanation. people -- you have to explain to the people. it's not just something you drink a glass of wine and you are happy.
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you have to study, you have to think, you have to look, you have to listen to some explanation then you understand how beautiful it is. charlie: also, you know this ll, as countries go from one administration, one rule to another, it has to be always protected as the center of learning and the best of the civilization. it has a unique place, you hope. above politics. mikhail: we think it is above politics. always we have to use it as a connection between the nations where the politics is. it's exactly how it is now. but you have to protect it also when the political situations change, we have to protect it, also the national treasure from all different kinds of intervention, ideological or monetary or whatever. charlie: we'll talk more about that later.
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you want to show me today what? mikhail: i want to show you one important thing. two important things. the first one, tradition. this museum and the palace, it was always palace and museum because catherine the great established hermitage as part of her palace and then built build nergs collection. it was part of the life and important decisions with pictures and sculptures around this combination of museum and palace is unique. it's a great collection of world art and also a great monument of russian political history, imperial political history. the russian empire began here with peter great, and ended here with nikolai ii. charlie: she was a remarkable woman. mikhail: catherine was fantastic. she has done so many things
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which we can learn now, you know. beginning from, presenting story, collecting, behaving, when a woman behaved like a man. it was kind of -- so we study and study, every year we make an exhibition about her. and it's always very interesting. charlie: what we'll do this afternoon is not only see some of the best art, but also the fact that the hermitage has expanded beyond its original. you've got new buildings. mikhail: now buildings. we have a system or conception called the great hermitage, which means expansion but not exactly just new buildings. it's new buildings, then in new buildings for storage where we show everything that we have in outside then hermitage
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of st. petersburg in europe, so it's dynamic two sides, internet, global hermitage. more than just extension here. we are very ambitious. charlie: ambition to be global as an expression. mikhail: as an expression of world culture. this was collected by russia first. it doesn't belong just to russia. it belongs to the world. that's why we must be present all over the world. that's why we have connection and friends and organization of friends all over the world. that's why when we have problems we have friends all over the world that we ask for help this kind of help or another kind of help. bebelong to the world and the world belongs to us. i think it's very important, to this s not just point, we think it's very important, it's a world museum which belongs to the world. charlie: not everybody in russia
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likes that? or not everybody where? mikhail: not nerve russia. charlie: i could not be more exite about coming here with you and to see. i'm happy that i haven't seen it before. mikhail: i'm always saying to people who come for the first time to the hermitage, you're lucky. you can see something new that is interesting. charlie: you lead the way. mikhail: i'll lead the way. ♪
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mikhail: this is one of the inner parts of hermitage, it's a theater, built specially for catherine great. ery exclusive, 150 person. charlie: for her friends. mikhail: she loved theater. she was writing a historical on rafment charlie: this is the museum. mikhail: this is the museum. charlie: with a saturday afternoon crowd. how many people on average -- mikhail: on average we have 3.5 million every year. the problem is that most of them come in the summer. that's why -- charlie: as we do in june, we have all the people who are away from school. mikhail: exactly. this is the room of the italian,
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and here we have beautiful views peter and paul fortress. we have the celebration of the end of the school year. charlie: this is the neva. mikhail: and one of the special features of the hermitage, it's not just the best collection but the best view fless windows. you don't see that, no other museum in the world has that. charlie: you say that as a proud director of the hermitage. mikhail:s the italian room. he's one of the most famous artists. charlie: what are we seeing here? mikhail: this is the room of leonardo davinci. we have two pictures by davinci.
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wo of our main masterpieces. these rooms have been used as guest roomers in guests. guest rooms for the guests of the tsar. this is the room of titian. ll pictures by titian. this is maybe the most important painting in our collection. charlie: has any other leader ever done as much for art as catherine? mikhail: well, it is difficult to compare. she was certainly in competition with realy the great but she has done more. definitely. she managed her money better than him. also she has another trick, she knew she was buying the best collection. she once bought a collection
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from paris. the bought the collection of the first prime minister of britain. best.ew that to get the , it's -- er style charlie: she mauf had a group of people that informed her. mikhail: she had some friends, intellectuals, who advised her. she had one in paris. she had russian diplomats who knew what she likes. and she had dealers who were telling her. so she was very good about asking advice. charlie: about quality and price. mikhail: about quality and price. this is one of the first paintings done by titian. it was done in venice. it's one of the first landscapes
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in italian art. it was recently restored, took 10 years to clean it properly. charlie: you took it out of circulation and cleaned it. over 10 years. mikhail: over 10 years. it was a scientific cleaning which took 10 years, with x-rays, just to clean the painting. charlie: wow. it's one treasure after another, isn't it mikhail: this is the problem. this is wonderful, it's also a problem. you have exicks all over the world, to show all these things, to show them a little bit apart. because you have 10 titians in one room it's difficult to appreciate one of them. charlie: one would be -- museums would like to borrow one. mikhail: exactly. that's what we try to do we bring in from time to time one masterpiece for one -- from one
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museum. now we're crossing the room of the early italian paintings. charlie: with changes in politics, is it difficult to get museums in other parts of the world to loan to you? or have you -- mikhail: sometimes it is difficult. now it is difficult. because it also depends on politics and economics. now, for instance, it's treasure, for two years we don't have exchange with american museums because there is problem with the russian state about the hasidic library and the russian state is afraid somebody could be arrested. we demand a proper guarantee of the state. not just legislation. guarantee that it comes, it comes back. so we are now in the middle of negotiations. charlie: so this is -- mikhail: this is one of the most important, the best pictures in the world. rem brant's return of the
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prodigal son. this is rem brant's room. this is -- rembrandt's room. he return of the prodigal son. you can see how, you get a sense of the theological sense of the painting. charlie: rembrandt's return of the prodigal son. rembrandt another room. mikhail: we have about 21 rembrandts. let's look at this one, one of the most beautiful one. this is the holy family. one of the -- one of the most human pictures. y rembrandt. charlie: rembrandt, holy family, dated 1645.
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he lived from 1606 to 1669. prove nance 1772, acquired by the herm taj. - by the hermitage in 177 2. mikhail: during the first world war, they want to evacuate the hermitage. two trains left, one stayed because the october revolution happened. during the second world war, ey had three trains two left and the one stayed. charlie: where did they take the art? mikhail: to the ural mountains. charlie: what is this room? mikhail: this is -- these are italian and spanish rooms. this is the room of spanish collection. this building was built for niko sks las the first. he said -- he had seen something
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in munich and wanted the same. he brought the designer from munich. this is still considered a masterpiece of museum architecture. with the lighting and everything. it is decorated by the objects rom stone. it was nicholas i's idea to put russian stone in the rose which is beautiful. charlie:s that great room. mikhail: it is. two or three big rooms with a lot of wonderful, we get a lot of light. charlie: where do we go from here? mikhail: the dutch paintings. charlie: peter the great. mikhail: peter the great loved nether lans he felt holland was the most developed country in europe he loved holland and he loved dutch art.
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after he was buying dutch art. we have the largest collection of dutch art outside of holland. certainly rembrandt and many, many other rooms. charlie: catherine, did she buy a lot of flemish art as well? mikhail: yes, and we'll see the flemish art. the dutch is small paintings with -- charlie: look at this room. mikhail: this is one of the so s, these rooms are beautiful. when you do the lighting, you don't know how to show, how to concentrate the light on the pictures definitely but the ceiling, the walls. charlie: everything is busme and everything has been so thoughtfully considered. how many employees at hermitage? of my we have 1,000.
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we have more and more people insecurity. charlie: because of cyberterrorism, or terrorism period. mikhail: we have increasing security. but in general we have something like 3,000 cue rators, 300 restorers. ngineers and guards. constantly restoring? mikhail: yes. every picture which goes to exhibition must be restored. also we have the scientific restoration like titian when you clean the picture and study it, study the history of it. charlie: may give you new insights once you clean it. mikhail: absolutely. now we're here, flemish paintings. rubens. these two paintings are from the first paintings bought for
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hermitage. this one and this one. adam and eve. charlie: the first paintings bought for hermitage. mikhail: it was 1764. charlie: 1764. where did she buy it from? mikhail: there's a political story. there was a war between russia and prussia. it was ended. it ended. t during the war, german dealer, very famous one, collected a good collection of paintings. but the war ended, frida had no money to buy this collection. -- frederick the great had no money to buy this collection. 10 catherine bought the collection. it was the beginning of the cleck and it was also very important political gesture. e can do it.
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charlie: this is crossing from -- mikhail: from the hermitage building, build chg is called hermitage, into smaller buildings. the cart-yard. then one building. the building was small hermitage. the first floor. charlie: we're now -- mikhail: we are going along the garden. we are in the rooms for netherlands. early netherlands paintings. and with the galleries, these galleries have been the first which catherine built for her collection. and we are crossing and entering the winter palace, the main residence of russia's tsar. charlie: describe the winter palace. in the beginning it was palace and museum.
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mikhail: from the beginning it was palace and museum. the museum was put in the palace and it was a building built for the museum near the palace system of they had receptions here and there. so it was a combination of museum and palace. to the left now we turn into the winter palace. fficial residence of russian tsar. charlie: nice residence. mikhail: not a bad one. we enter not from the main entrance to the st. george hall. this is the st. george hall,s the throne room of the russian empire. charlie: the throne room of the russian empire. mikhail: the throne is here. and the room, st. george, st. saint was considered the of the romanovs. that's why the main room also in moscow is called st. george
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hall. the kremlin. maybe we stay here to look at the throne. it has its history. after the rev luelings, it was demolished and the big map of soviet union was put here. a beautiful map from precious stone. then soviet union finished, that was taken out in another museum and we begin to restore the throne. we found details of the throne in different places in the museum. unnoticed. hidden system of we found everything to restore it. charlie: what happened in the throne room? mikhail: the throne room, it was part of the museum. here was -- they put a big map of soviet union from precious stones and there have been different things displayed. here we usually display, use it for different big ceremonies. here we display some gifts which we are getting.
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putin gave us -- for our anniversary. charlie: he gave toyota you from where? he acquired it or it was -- mikhail: he acquired. it was bought by some russian businessman. and presented to the president to give it to the museum. charlie: that's how it happened. mikhail: that's how it works. that's how we got these things which have been brought by russian businessmen who have been abroad. it was returned back thanks to this gift. charlie: these russian businessmen, very wealthy theark travel around the world and see art for sale. mikhail: they buy a lot. nd most of their collections
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are bought. it's not easy to persuade them to bring -- are abroad. it's not easy to persuade them to bring them back here. charlie: until vladimir putin says, your president would like for his hermitage. mikhail: this is a good thing. usually they were receiving ambassadors. they're standing in the throne. he was never sitting. charlie: the tsar was always standing. mikhail: standing. and ambassadors, before coming into the throne room, would have been cross thug this room. military corridor. which has portraits of all the generals of russian army who
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fought napoleon. so it's a special room commemorating the russian victory over napoleon, the most important thing we had in the 19th century. charlie: the victory over napoleon. first the russians showed napoleon no, then they said to hitler, no. niet. mikhail: exactly. the 19th century war is much cleaner than 20th century. charlie: these are the generals who fought napoleon. mikhail: and over here, the duke of ellington because he fought as well. charlie: wow. unbelievable. it just goes on and on and on. we're still at the palace. mikhail: still at the palace, the main rooms of the winter palace. this is called the room of the crest of arms. we have crests or coats of arms of all governors of russia on the chandeliers.
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so when the governors have been coming to be presented to the tsar, they would be standing under the symbol of his crest. a wonderful picture of russian army entering for the first time in 1760. this is the time of elizabeth ii . charlie: this is here now because of the commemoration. mikhail: we put it as a commemoration. charlie: 70 years since the end of world war ii. mikhail: yes. 0 years. charlie: i love the size of it too. mikhail: a lot of wonderful kind of military paintings. still some of them need space to e shown. charlie: and this room.
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mikhail: this is called alexander hall. once again it's about napoleon and victory over napoleon this portrait of alexander, there are some things which belong to him. now we have here the big exhibition of european silver. but the room by itself, pictures, symbols of different battles between russians and french. charlie: in a way, napoleon gave a lot to russian art, didn't he? mikhail: absolutely. charlie: his defeat commissioned so much. mikhail: and not only to art. t's -- this war was such a clean war for russia. war is always dirty, terrible, nobody is right. this is a war that was very clean. we were right, defended our country and something to be proud of. that's why all this is mmemorating the, these two
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napoleon. we are leaving the winter palace. we haven't seen everything, still a lot of things to see. charlie: we'll see some of the new. mikhail: we'll cross the square, cross the square and we'll see the eastern wing of the buildings which is called the general's building. charlie: beautiful day. nothing like a st. petersburg day in the summer. mikhail: this is one of the most important halls. it's full of matisse, one of the best collections of matisse in the world. charlie: look at this. mikhail: experiment with the new lighting. not every picture likes big hall or too much light. it's a kind of experiment. i think it is quite good. this is the famous madam matisse, it's a family portrait.
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charlie: how many matisse? charlie: around 40. -- mikhail: around 40. this is music. there's also the dance. in a ce is now in paris museum. this is fantastic matisse. for me it's the best one. charlie: but you have something on loan to the new museum in paris. mikhail: yes, the dance of ma iss. we have music and dance, this is very fragile. we have agleements with the museum for certain exchanges. charlie: i love the color. mikhail: the color is fantastic. this is one of the --
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charlie: you must be very proud of this mikhail: yes. charlie: a significant addition to the hermitage. mikhail: now they have proper space and we can experiment with it. this is a fantastic portrait, now it looks very well. also, there's some discussions now and i decided to make a kind of, because it's so new, a kind of referendum on visitors. how do you like the new display? because there is a fight inside the museum, this is right, this is wrong. i decided to ask the people. charlie: people who come to see the museum. mikhail: what do you think about having matisse on white walls or red walls. charlie: what's the response, do you know? mikhail: i don't know. i just decided to do it. this is fantastic red room. i think they look very well.
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charlie: how do you feel about it yourself, from your own point of view. mikhail: it's good. it works for me. the a week ago it was very different. it was bad. i said no. absolutely wrong. change it. i think now it looks great. this is picasso. charlie: here we are. how good is your picasso collection? mikhail: very good. matisse is the best. matisses don't exist in moscow. charlie: and this is picasso. mikhail: this is the best picasso we have. t's on the level of -- charlie: you can see the onnection.
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1908. mikhail: 1908. charlie: but you can still see, can't you, some of the sense of the painting at the museum of modern art. mikhail: yes, it's the same period. the same way of showing the forms and stuff. charlie: every one of these rooms has natural light. mikhail: yes. every one of these rooms. most of them have the natural life. and this play between the modern forms and classical. charlie: and light floors. mikhail: you see it is a historical building, we can do only some things here. there are a lot of places where we show how historic it was. this is the famous sisters. charlie: tell me about the paintings. mikhail: this is one of the great picasso paintings, the
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sisters. it's a lot of stories, two sisters meeting in hospital, two sisters meeting in prison, it's mary and elizabeth. charlie: how long has this been in the russian collection? mikhail: it is from the beginning of the century. it was in moscow in a private collection and then came to hermitage. charlie: so this is the gift of the -- mikhail: a gift from the united states of america. a big collection of american art, collected by helen english, an american historian. given to us from the american foundation of hermitage. 's a whole room of masterpieces to add to our collection. charlie: the hermitage is not only building, it's acquiring. mikhail: yes, we're acquiring. we have a lot of friends.
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this is another gift given by the artist. considered to be one of the masterpieces of art of the 20th century. it's -- we just built a hall suitable for this. it's a wonderful thing, it's a history of russia. it's going to the skies and then inside you have a shelf, soviet russia with some old soviet songs and it's very nostalgic. then all this, it's not rubbish t's an installation. and we added another thing to this. perestroika is rubbish and this is the next stage. charlie: so you've got
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perestroika, are you saying perestroika is in the dust bin of history? mikhail: it is. it destroyed everything to build something. everything was destroyed. i think that what we have built shows we can build something. it's a very important gift. artists are more generous than billionaires. this costs at least $5 million or $6 million. charlie: it was given to you by -- mikhail: by the artist himself. charlie: thank you for being our guide. thank you for being our friend. thank you for keeping this place in such a remarkable way. so that it continues, we saw work new exhibitions. with new space. yet at the same time acquiring art across the spectrum. thank you, my friend. mikhail: thank you very much. sorry for taking so much of your time. charlie: no, no. mikhail: there's so much i want to show you.
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charlie: i have friends around the world,s that remarkable place. this is beyond political conflict. beyond politics. this is a place that harbors some of the great, great treasures of the world. and for me to come and be here and to see it with my own eyes and to have such an articulate and brilliant and honored guide has been one of the great pleasures of my life. you should all come to russia and you should all come see the hermitage as a reflection of a great country.
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>> when any member of the audience lies down to look at the ceiling, that's a success. they are morethat
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intelligent than man. my work is more intelligent than me.
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charlie: continuing our exploration of the hermitage, we talked to mark kellner, vice president of the hermitage foundation. we begin with that question, what is the hermitage fundation? mark: hermitage foundation is a group of american friends interested in supporting the hermitage and its director in whatever they might need, logistically, creatively, financially in exhibiting western and american art or restoring work that needs help in the hermitage. we have a very interesting situation because in the post-soviet period, there's a period that involves cultural diplomacy that they can call on us, saying we're interested in learning about american art and what access can you offer in new york, you know, in ohio.
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charlie: we are in a post-soviet period. mark: post soviet and sometimes it's difficult in terms of what's going on politically. but these are people who are servants of culture, that aren't paying attention to what's happening politically because one doesn't affect the other. charlie: but your central function is to serve the hermitage. mark: yes, and specifically whatever requests they might have. charlie: a bit about you. russian parents. mark: yeah. charlie: you were conceived in russia. you were born in america. mark: in cleveland, very proudly. charlie: and you want to be or are an artist. mark: i'm an artist, a lot of my art is rooted in the russian-american duality. that's what led to work with russian collect yoffers art. anything having to do with art coming from a russian place i was involved in. there are russian emigre artists in new york, now considered staples of international contemporary work. i was around them and because of that the hermitage foundation
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found me we got to work together on a couple of interesting contemporary -- international contemporary projects. it was kind of cool. hard to say no to. charlie: considering your background, characterize this museum for me. mark: it's not an art museum. it's a museum of civil sargse. it's a museum -- of civilization. it's a museum, when catherine the great founded it, she's like, look, russia demands a museum, deserves a museum, much like nothing the world has ever seen. and that was very much her personality. she started collecting and what's really interesting, everyone is thinking he's collect -- she's collecting work that's ancient but the joke is that she's collecting work that's contemporary to her. i like to think that the work we're doing at the foundation is work that's contemporary to us. 20th century, 21st century, when dr. pietrovsky comes to america,
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i introduce him to some of the great photographers of our day, some great curators, some great galerists, interested in using the hermitage is a means of promoting culture they've never seen before. charlie: who is this man that my audience just had a chance to walk through the museum he's been the director of for a number of years and before that his father was director, who is he? mark: he's an interesting guy, unlike anyone i've met before. she's the decider. the hermitage is a very totalitarian environment. one man makes all the decisions. charlie: in addition to what art gos on the wall where they put it. mark: or when charlie rose shows up unannounced, yes, i'll lead him on a tour right now. it's very much his schedule and it's his home. that's it. there's no separating someone from his station from that, you know, that's his life. he very much cue rates every part of that museum into his
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life, into, you know, when he comes here. he's not just representing the hermitage museum. he's representing russian culture and culture that is essentially world culture that needs to be exported. charlie: how does the museum and how does the director handle those times in which the politics are strained between russia and the united states, or russia and much of the western world? mark: i think right now there's, it makes for a sad state of affairs that we always have to, that russian art has always been politicized, that no matter what, if it's avant-garde, that russian art has been censored you look at what's happening right now. artists are being censored. there's a self-censorship happening among russian artists. charlie: self-censorship. mark: for fear of prosecution.
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if my voice speaks up, am i going to jail for it? a lot of actions we see are artistic in their root and a lot of people are scared. we don't know what direction things are going to go. on the other side of that coin, we have the hermitage museum that is -- that has been around for 250 years and government and regimes come and go. the hermitage has stayed, historically. that's the world i like to occupy. when i go out with my tin cup and talk to people about, hey, let's start supporting the hermitage museum in terms of building their -- building their contemporary art collection for the first time, names like, let's get a warhol, let's try to find people that might be interested in putting on kuhn. if we're in the service of culture, politics shouldn't be something we should be concerned about. it's gotten more difficult to talk to people and be a cheerleader for the museum but among our crowd, i don't think many people care.
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charlie: there's a lot of rich people in russia. mark: there's a lot of rich people in russia and there's a misguided notion that, oh, we're a 501-c-3, we have a situation where there's a lot of rich russians in new york why can't they help their museum? in america we have a system where the wealthy have supported art and museums and museum culture. nothing like that exists in russia and never has. we're trying to show and i speak with russian americans, we're trying to show that, look, it's your responsibilities for where, you know, for -- you have a choice. you have an opportunity to promote culture in russia outside of russia, supporting the hermitage. and it's your responsibility. and no one else is going to do it, if not you. i want the hermitage foundation -- museum foundation to be a lead for the holding that flag in saying we need help.
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look at our system. how can we -- huh does that behoove the hermitage museum? the hermitage has a lot of friends. there are a lot of people who recognize the hermitage without recognizing -- without having to reck nice it's putin's russia. charlie: the director of the -- another museum said he's sure between the ndship museum and the world has survived all the way through. none of us in any great museum has had to confront anything like the changes the hermitage has. it's stayed completely true to the traditions of being a repository of great things a part of the international community. one can only guess thaw complicated that must be that's from neil mcgregor. mark: three million objects are stored at the hermitage. there's no way anyone can see
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all of it in their lifetime. charlie: 10% of it is on display? mark: probably less. even though it's a huge museum, three million objects. it's also a museum that really is interested in establishing satellites, throughout russia. in moscow there's going to be a satellite concerning contemporary art that extends to europe. my goal would be, i'd love to see a hermitage museum in the united states. that would be a dream. and why not? and you know, despite whatever political manifestations of relations and, you know, it's tough. we're in a cold war 2.0 perhaps. but i hope not. but i don't see why that has to be -- why art has to be politicized in that way. it's ea the common core of what we have. charlie: culture and civilization. and it is a way to -- we live in
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a very, very difficult time in terms of culture. bauts we see people for a variety to have reasons destroy culture as a political statement. mark. the people at the leadership of the hermitage museum foundation are -- our chairman of the board, an antiquarian who has been in business since, i think, 197. i asked him about this he's turkish. i said look what's going on with isis work people destroying culture and kind of trying to make their own by destroying, you know, trying to make a legacy by destroying what's been before. he's like, mark, it's a terrible situation but we move forward. we move forward. there's no choice but to. you know. there's wars going on. we're involved in preventing it by sharing what we have in common. charlie: thank you for coming.
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mark: thank you for having me. charlie: pleasure to meet you. this was an amazing experience for us and lots of people deserve credit. you will see a special credit list at the end. but i want to single out some people who, without them, it would not have been possible. mikhail piotrovsky, my executive producer, the cameraman who did a remarkable job under difficult circumstances my colleagues at "60 minutes," jeff fager and craig crawford who came in and helped put together the package. on my own staff, christine edwards was bond wonder. n editing this and corey englebrecht who helped write and put this together. it's been, for all of us, an unbelievable experience. take a look at others who made it possible.
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