tv With All Due Respect Bloomberg March 19, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm EDT
>> welcome to this edition of the best of "with all due respect." this week has been yet another seminal one for all the presidential candidates. we had yet another super tuesday. after which, four republican candidates went down to three. president obama nominated judge merrick garland to be on the supreme court and the donald continues to take the spotlight even when he is laying low. >> we begin with the nation dealing with the fallout from one of the most monstrous -- tumultuous moments in the race. we look back at when protests broke out.
>> donald trump was interrupted at a rally in missouri. police say 32 people were arrested in st. louis. and another trump event is coming up shortly in chicago. folks are already in the room for that. "usa" [anting >> there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of protesters on hand. [crowd chanting "usa"] >> there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of protesters on hand. the security does not have a handle on the situation here. >> tonight's rally will be postponed until another day. thank you very much. and please go in peace.
>> this is becoming violent. there is pushing and shoving going on inside this arena. it is total chaos. >> donald trump joins me live on the phone. mr. trump, do you believe you have done anything to create a tone where this kind of violence would be encouraged? donald trump: nobody has been hurt at our rallies. >> do you regret saying any of those things about punching protesters? sending them out on stretchers. donald trump: i don't regret it at all. i would say we have had tremendous success with people, the popularity we have in the rallies is love. it is a love fest. >> you have no regrets about anything you have said? donald trump: we have had great success.
and frankly, i think we did a good job tonight. i think a lot of people are giving us a lot of credit. [applause] hillary clinton: before we begin, i want to say a few words about what happened in chicago last night. [applause] >> donald trump has created a toxic environment. hillary clinton: the encouragement of violence and aggression is not only wrong, but dangerous. bernie sanders: donald trump has got to be loud and clear and tell his supporters that violence at rallies is not what america is about and to end it. marco rubio: i do intend to support the republican nominee, but it is getting harder every day. ted cruz: unlike donald trump, i don't ask people in the audience to punch them in the face.
donald trump: i have to do it myself. and to think i had such an easy life, what do i need this for? >> today in hickory, north carolina, trump appeared with his best friend and supporter chris christie and insisted that the coverage of the violence at his rallies was getting blown out of proportion. donald trump: do you know how many people have gotten hurt at our rallies? basically none. maybe someone got hit. there is no violence. we go and these things are so incredible, it is a movement and a love fest and we love each other and we will do so well. i am a peaceloving person.
see? i am peaceloving. we love peace. >> at another trump event later in the day, sarah palin blamed the protesters and the lamestream media. sarah palin: what we do not have time for is all of the petty, ery stuff that is been going on with the "protesters." >> amazing how much this is dominating every piece of coverage for the year. is donald trump helped or hurt by the events of the last three or four days for winning the nomination? >> i do not know whether any of this will hurt him in terms of his supporters. that i don't know. i do know to the extent there is an anti-trump movement, this is a galvanizing moment for that movement. there are many republicans who have thought donald trump would be a disaster in the general election.
i think a lot of establishment republicans watching on friday, seeing how he has reacted, not only not apologizing but in some ways inciting things to a greater degree, it has galvanized the anti-trump movement. they may not be able to stop him but if there is a way to stop him, there are a lot of republicans saying we do not want a nominee who will lose the general election and insight this kind of violence on the streets in american 2016. >> i think it will make it more likely that john kasich will win ohio and more likely the establishment will try to take the nomination away from him. >> i agree with that. i feel for a lot of casual viewers of politics and in the establishment, they already did not want trump but there is a
sense of urgency now that was not there before, having seen just the utter chaos and the way trump is not backing away but doubling down. mark: i think it will cause some people to turn to ted cruz trump -- because trump behaved over the weekend with no finesse. he simply said i bear no responsibility for this. i think that worries some people that he does not have enough finesse to win the general. john: i know i just heard the bell. but he has suggested his supporters should go to bernie sanders rallies and potentially cause trouble. he talked about how he might pay the legal bills for the guy who sucker punched the african american protester. those are ugly words. just the wrong thing to do. donald trump's republican opponents are still saying he is to blame for the violence. john kasich said donald trump is creating a toxic atmosphere.
lamented that his kids are watching this campaign and are horrified. marco rubio says he is stoking anger for political gain. ted cruz is saying he will vote for the eventual nominee even if it is donald trump but said his party's front runner has created an environment that encourages this sort of nastiness. house speaker paul ryan said today said that candidates must accept responsibility for unrest and conflict at their campaign events. of the three candidates challenging trump, who is dealing with this in the right way, not just in terms of the ethical right thing but also in terms of ways that may give them some political edge? mark: i think john kasich has the best chance to benefit. i do not think marco will find a way to win florida. he will likely be out. he also has just been agonizing over how to react. john kasich has reacted relatively consistently to it and i think it fits with his brand best of the other
candidates. john: i think they have all handled it pretty well. comparatively speaking, i think ted cruz benefits more, i think he is more likely to be the nominee because he has more delegates. cruz has spoken out strongly about it over the weekend. for establishment republicans trying to get comfortable with the idea of ted cruz, he did a lot this weekend to make them think he is rising to the occasion. mark: it is a volatile situation. it depends on how donald trump does. it all depends on how much this stuff goes on. does he modulate his behavior, does he change the rules? i do not know why he would not call the young man who was punched in the face and say, i hope you are ok. john: he does not seem to have a fingertip feel for the situation. mark: he does for his supporters, but not for other audiences. john: for the people freaking out, he is not doing anything. mark: he could sweep every state. there was a chance before that if he swept every state a lot of establishment people would get in line.
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claim the republican nomination in cleveland, he will still probably walk into the convention this summer with more delegates than any other candidate. maybe by a lot. that means there is the opportunity for a long con. the party leaders could lift the domination out from underneath the billionaire. , ourto lay out the plan eisenberg, issha here to walk us through how this could happen. it lays it out of what it would have to take. it is all about the delegates and their freedom to maybe switch votes. let's start with the month we are in now even as primaries and caucuses are still taking place and delegates are being selected. what has happened in this time you call the hunt? >> we would talk about who won how many delegates. the people who go to cleveland to fill the roles for their state have yet to be decided. there is a shadow campaign going on and a hunt to put your loyalists in slots for other
candidates. last saturday, iowa was having their county conventions, they were selecting people who had been elected the night of the iowa caucuses in february. those people go to the county conventions. this weekend in georgia, they are having congressional district conventions. it is entirely possible -- the goal for the other campaigns is they want to find states where donald trump may be won the majority of delegates but they can get their people in those spots where they can vote their conscience. >> typically, delegates the vast majority bound on the first ballot. but if trump does not get a majority on the first ballot, many of the delegates become free agents and their loyalty to trump become nonexistent. >> they might have their own preferences and you might be able to deal with them. there are other things you vote on besides the nomination that will have a real impact. john: they never may have been loyal to donald trump in the first place.
we move to the sell. who is getting sold? >> there is a saying going around that you cannot have a brokered convention because there are not any brokers. i think that is right at the national level. the people who pick delegates in states our party brokers. the state party chairperson. the governor may run the state party. you look at a state like south carolina. trump won all 50 delegates, the first time in modern history a candidate has done that. yet, the people being selected to be the trump delegates at the convention had to be delegates to the state convention last may before he announced his candidacy. the people are more likely to be loyal to nikki haley or lindsey graham who are very anti-trump. you could end up right now, as long as candidates win over state party bosses, you can see them stacking the slates.
>> let's talk about may and the deal. >> you will have double agents in the trump slots. you want them to come over to you. what is remarkable is how acceptable practices that we would normally think of as improper are. it is not clear to me that you could actually be prevented from offering someone cash for their vote. all sorts of other deals will go on at the state and national party level. john: then we get to june which is about the switch. it is about rules. talk about that. >> questions about who can be entered into nomination, which states are eligible and which states are disqualified. we had a question about some of the irregularities could be grounds to challenge the results in nevada. the contest committee, if you want to knock nevada out, you will need to win a vote in the contest committee. that vote will go to the floor of the convention. >> would you need a majority of the total delegates? or would they then be subtracted
? >> in the past, there have been rules changes that make it impossible for the delegates from the states this contests -- whose contests are being questioned to even vote on those. you just need a majority of people from non-trump states. >> we get to july and cleveland. ,he pinch where they would after laying the groundwork, they would do what? >> donald trump would not get the votes he needs on the first ballot. it would start to see some delegations look like trojan horses. the first ballot, nobody gets a majority. the second ballot, the 50 delegates that donald trump was counting on end up going to ted cruz, or paul ryan or whoever it is. paul ryan as speaker is going to be the chairman of the convention. basically, the speaker and the parliamentarian can do whatever they want. in 2012, we saw the call the voice vote. rand paul's voters were louder than mitt romney's.
they ruled them out of order and they said the ayes have it. if reince priebus wants to use the rules to make sure donald trump does not get the nomination, it is up to him. what usually happens is you have a presumptive nominee, the chairman will pick who is on the committees. a lot of these things, the parliamentarian is an honorary post. if you need to maintain order they may not be so honorary. pieceu just reported this , it is captivating and incredibly complicated what we are talking about. how many people actually understand the whole thing? who has all of this in their heads or will this just be piecemeal chaos? >> i think it will be piecemeal chaos. people in individual states who understand clearly the process and players in their own states. there are very few people, half a dozen republican lawyers who
have been through this. the romney folks went through a dry run of this. trying to push aside some of the ron paul visigoths in 2012. there are lawyers on that team who are incredibly useful now. we have not had anything of this scale. you need some form of coordination. the campaigns are just getting around to this now. >> this is an "ocean's 11" heist without danny ocean. >> the piece is on bloombergpolitics.com. if you want to know where the republican race is headed, you must go and read it. up next, we look at president obama's nomination for the supreme court. president obama: i selected a nominee who is not only recognized as one of america's sharpest legal minds but someone who brings to his work a spirit of decency, modesty, integrity, evenhandedness, and excellence. these qualities and his long
commitment to public service have earned him the respect and admiration of leaders from both sides of the aisle. he will ultimately bring that same character to bear on the supreme court, an institution in which he is uniquely prepared to serve immediately. today, i am nominating chief judge merrick brian garland to join the supreme court. [applause] ♪
ron, i will start with you. you have known merrick garland for a long time. >> 30 years. davidjohn: and you are making te claim, i believe, that one does not hear often in washington, that this is a pick free of politics. seriously? ron: he has no big political following, he is not a historic first of this or that, he was picked because he is the best person for the job. the best nominee that president obama put forward. i think that makes the case for him particularly compelling because republicans cannot argue that the president did this for any political advantage. to make a point or rally voters or anything like that. they cannot argue anything other than this is a person who was nominated because he is a great lawyer, a great person. john: it seems to me a pick free of politics is still a pick with politics. part of what president obama was doing was making a pick that would make it difficult for republicans not to give him a hearing.
don't you see that as the case? nina i do. : i entirely see that. you can see that those who wanted him to make the more liberal choice, somebody younger, somebody who might be there longer,- you can argue this round or flat. he did not do that in part because he got a message from republicans, via back channels that they would probably move, this nomination after the presidential election in the lame-duck session. once you get that concession, you can start to work on other concessions. they are going to work very hard to try to break down this idea that there should not be a hearing or a vote prior to the election when the president made a nomination in march. john: you are a student of these
confirmation tussles. senator grassley, chairman of the committee, the big thing will be if he gets a hearing. i think a lot of strategists agree if he gets a hearing, he has a very good chance of being confirmed. what do you think flip senator grassley from no hearing to a hearing? ron: i think it is an instrumental process. some republicans are already saying they will meet with judge garland. i think once people meet with him, i think it will be hard to say no to a hearing. i understand we are a polarized country, but it is a fair country. the idea someone who is as distinguished and qualified is as merrick garland does not get a chance to make his case and doesn't even get a hearing will rub people as unfair and wrong. i think that will play out. last time, i made the point that this whole thing is different once there is an actual nominee, once you see merrick, you see the tape the white house released of him telling his life
i think it will be hard for people to say he does not even get a hearing. john: what do you think flipped grassley to get a hearing? nina: it does not have to flip grassley. it has to flip mcconnell and that is a harder proposition. i don't think people bump mcconnell unless there is a complete revolution, unless they think this becomes a major electoral issue, and i still have a hard time believing it is ever a major electoral issue. except for the true believers who are already decided anyway. this is a process. the white house did not just release tape of merrick garland talking about being a judge. it also released tape of him at essentially ground zero at the oklahoma city bombing. the president talked about that in his remarks. you could see, when the president was talking, you could see that was the moment when judge garland actually almost lost his composure. he feels very passionately about
being somebody to protect victims and convict the guilty. he is a judge, but he was a prosecutor all of his life. they will ride that horse to town, you can be sure of that. ron: there are a couple of republicans we have heard today that have broken with senator mcconnell, susan collins, and others. are those meaningful at all, that they are not falling in lockstep behind mcconnell's posture right now? nina: kelly ayotte is in a very tough reelection race. susan collins was from the beginning one or two republicans who thought you ought to meet with someone who was nominated. she did not make any pledges about a hearing or no hearing. so far, mcconnell has been able to keep his troops in line almost unanimously on the question of the hearing.
the reason is the reason ron speaks about. if you have a hearing and the nominee does well, then why not have a vote? and that is what they really do not want to have. mcconnell's point of view. the optics of it are not great and you can tell that in the opinion polls. i don't think there is any public opinion poll in which people think this is a great position, even a substantial number of republicans think this is not a great position to be opposing a hearing. >> i think this is like water through your basement wall. it will be a surprising bunch of good news in a couple days. >> you made predictions last
john kasich: if they are saying it because it is complimentary, then i like it. i don't care about shaking things up as long as i am on the right track. if i am on the wrong track, i got to have friends and smart people around me that say you are wrong. i'm willing to listen, too. but there is nothing orthodox -- i am an unorthodox political figure. john: that was john kasich outside of philadelphia. we have charlie black. what is the plan for how you will are going to get john kasich to be the republican nominee? charlie: we are getting into an historic convention. nobody has seen anything like this since democrats in the 1920's. john kasich now has momentum out of ohio. he will win other primaries in the northwest and northeast and even california.
donald trump will have 40% of the delegates, ted cruz will have 25%. there may be some undecided. it will be a widely competitive convention. as you know after the first and second ballot, all of the delegates are free agents. john kasich has as good a chance as anybody. john: you are saying that john kasich will not be the nominee in a straightforward way. charlie: nobody is. john: do you think it is impossible for donald trump to get a majority of delegates? he has 60% of delegates remaining to get to 1237, and he hasn't gotten that so far. i think he will end up of 40%. ted cruz will have 25% in terms of sticking with him. trump's people would not be sticking with him on the third and fourth ballot, and that gives anyone a chance.
when you get to the convention, most people care about electability. mark: i follow a lot of what you are saying, but the thing i'm having trouble following is the notion that it is a slam dunk that john kasich will win the states or even be competitive in states. given the lack of enthusiasm that i have been able to detect just by your move in the last 24 hours, how do you think he is going to win the states? charlie: i think what is going to happen, he is now in the spotlight for the first time. more they see of john, the more they like him. look at states in the midwest and the northeast and pennsylvania, maryland, delaware, indiana. those types of states, the mainstream conservative has the chance. john will equip himself well as he gets more of a chance in the campaign. i am confident he is going to win a few more states.
if he doesn't, trump still won't go to the convention with a majority. mark: we had the debate scheduled monday that was canceled because donald trump said he did not want to go. do you think he is going to basically say no more debate, and if so does that her john kasich chances of getting into the arena and competing with the other two? charlie: we would rather have debates certainly. that would give john a chance for exposure and show the contrast between his positive approach and the gutter attacks of donald trump. but donald trump have decided not to do debates, but when he figures that he is not winning, not getting the 1237, he may go back to its. we will see. john: you said you were going to advise john kasich. how long have you been a supporter? charlie: he has been a friend my whole life. in his race there were five or six candidates who were well qualified to be president, who i was personal friends with. i set it out until it narrowed it down to one.
and last night i told john a day or two before the primary if marco lost, i would go for him. john: so you won't take it as a criticism that you are a member of the republican establishment. charlie: i spent the majority of my adult life in the trenches electing congressmen and senators. i qualify as grassroots too. john: why is it that that guy has seen so little support for members of your club, of until now, not very much? in the past few months, as trump gained in strength and casey did not, where you been? charlie: kasich started late and did not spend a lot of time in washington.
now it is open, you'll see a lot more donors and party leaders coming to support kasich. what really matters is the people out in the field in the primaries, voting in the states, and the 2400 people who are going to be delegates, who at some point in the process will be free agents. mark: wisconsin is in a few weeks, and the kind of states where is your theory is correct, we will see progress. is that where you think john kasich and finish first or second or should finish first or second? charlie: i think he should. he is going to campaign there. he is in pennsylvania today, another opportunity. it is actually his native state. even in new york, donald trump is not very popular. once you get outside of manhattan or queens. there are a lot of states where john will pick up delegates and maybe win some of those states. mark: do you suspect in the next round of polling now it is down to three, now that john kasich will get out of the teens and
put 20's or 30's in places? charlie: i do, and the more coverage you get -- it is difficult for the president with the fake supreme court nominee rollout -- once he gets more coverage, his numbers will improve. the national numbers on the states as you know. john: if donald trump were to become the republican nominee, whatwhat are the various forms f damage that would inflict on the party? don't just say he will lose to hillary clinton. there is more than that. charlie: there is more than that. unless something happened to improve his numbers. he has always been 10 to 15 points behind hillary clinton. if he loses by 10 points, that means in the blue states maria trying to defend senate seats, we will lose. republican party dominates state legislatures and governorships, we can lose there.
♪ john: joining us once again is the number cruncher in chief, ken goldstein. tonight's segment is "march adness." i would like to talk first of all about a topic that you referred to in terms of bracket busting. talk to us a little bit about the expectations of money spent on ads and what is actually happening with the reality.
ken: some of the number of little higher, but a good consensus of political ad spending in 2016 was about $4.2 billion, about 75% on broadcast, 25% on cable. some people have that number even higher. today we have had a little under $370 million spent on political advertising in the presidential race. of that overall number, about 1/3 of that, maybe even more than 1/3 of that should be on the presidential race. what we have seen so far, that $369 million, more or less where we should be if we were on page to meet the numbers. on one hand it is a little bit more. if you look back to 2008 or 2012, that is way more money than was spent on tv in those races. but there is a couple factors
that show the pace flowing. first of all, the great majority of that spending was just in three states, new hampshire, iowa, and south carolina. and the pace has slowed after that. and the other point is, especially on the republican side, the majority spenders on the republican side who spent over $75 million with the right to ride and were $50 million with conservative solution products, or super pac's with jeb bush and marco rubio who are not in the race anymore. so it seems higher, but there is some danger signs, and then there is the trump effect. john: all right, let's talk about the trump effect and what we like to call the unsweet 16. trump has gotten good ratings from tv, but he has not spent a lot for a big republican front runner on tv ads. what do these people that tend
to make a lot of money from political ads, if trump continues to earn free media and not paid media? ken: as we said, tv executives love the high ratings that trumpet generates, but they are very concerned about what trump could do the ultimate ad spend. he has only spent about $17 million himself on advertising. the big guns he has come to rely on, he has become very reliant on political spending in the years, the groups we have talked about a bunch, three or four times as much as the candidate. and spend a ton of money on political advertising, whether they sit out the presidential race. that is a real, possible, to real possible factors. trump would not spend a lot, and there will be a lot the
republican groups coming to bat for trump. on the other hand, if trump changes how the 2016 election looks, that could increase spending in other places. maybe trump makes some states competitive that weren't competitive before. that could draw ad spending in those states. or what if trump on the ticket makes a senate races and house races more competitive than you would have thought, as although super pac's and groups that would have spent big money for republican presidential race now instead are spending that big money to defend the house and senate seats. john: i'm a big basketball fan, but you have to be a fan to know the worst thing you can do is the air ball. people say, "air ball, air ball" in the games. you have come to the conclusion that the anti-trump spending so far on the air is basically an air ball. please explain. ken: you know, again, it is difficult to do this in real
time, and it is always more fun to the couch coach than the real coach and to say have a shot should have gone instead of screaming air ball. i do think it was a bit of an air ball. about $80 million has been spent against donald trump. when you measure that against all the free media he has gotten, isn't a ton. what is more perplexing to me is that over half the anti-trump spending has happened after march 1, after super tuesday. they have done it when lots of the elections had already happened, when lots of the delegates had already been selected. even when you look at a place like florida, where he recently had a primary, and a lot was made. $8 million spent in the last week against donald trump. $8 million isn't really a lot of money, and two, almost 50% of florida republican voters voted early.
all of that money was spent when half of the florida electorate had already voted. and recently we have an ad that was out and had women reading, reading quotes, inflammatory quotes from donald trump. it is a 60-second ad, it seems powerful, but started airing after not only super tuesday, but after florida, north carolina, ohio, and missouri were done. which is a bit perplexing. john: it is not only an air ball, it came after the buzzer. thanks, goldstein, for that great segment. we'll be right back. ♪
♪ mark: had donald trump won the ohio primary last night, there would've been very few things blocking his path. but he did not win ohio. now one thing stands in his way, and that would be john kasich, the man of the moment for many, who was the only presidential candidate out on the trail while everybody else was resting. i covered his stay in philadelphia this morning. he did not talk at all by name in his remarks about trump or ted cruz, but he did talk a lot about other stuff. john kasich: maybe i should tell you a little story. march madness. this wall street. selma cupcake. i don't mean this as a cuban political gibberish. the mailman and the mailman's wife. we move from the smaller tyrannosaurus rex to the bigger one. did you read the story about this?
student debt. 15 college roommates. don't you like the protests? i love it. some big god darn revolution. ben & jerry's free for one whole year. sir, you have lived your your whole life. i said, not yet. beautiful chandeliers and everything. president nixon. can't you give us more snow days? i said, why are you asking me? john, dad. john kasich. mark: what a week. thank you for watching this edition of "the best of with all due respect." you can catch an all-new episode of our show "the circus" on "showtime" sunday night at 8:00 eastern. and remember, if you are in washington dc, catch us on the radio at 99.1 fm. see you back here on monday. until then, sayonara. ♪
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