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juicy trump big steak out extravaganza in washington, d.c. we have our own team. on the special report edition of "with all due respect." team coverage. it was "a great day in d.c." that is held donald j. trump described his huddle with paul ryan and other republican leaders on capitol hill in a series of meetings. just in case you have not been glued to the tube, let me give you a recap. the press got there early before trump's meetings. trump spoke with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and republicans in the upper chambers. afterwards, ryan and trump released a joint statement recognize arewe
differences -- we recognize , ground. this is a great opportunity to unify our party and win this fall. and we are totally committed to achieving that goal." "thingsater tweeted -- working out really well." this afternoon, donald trump met with james a. baker and lindsey graham, the senator from south carolina had a "cordial phone call with trump today." graham did repeat today that he's not planning to vote for trump. was, if anything, accomplished today with trump's visit? >> i know we are going to spend
a lot of time talking about the speaker. star, revered by establishment figures but viewed as having a bright future. but i'm more intrigue by donald trump beginning to get his toe hold on matters of national security with meetings like the one he had with secretary baker who does hew closer to the trump -- of less is more. the phone call with lindsey graham a significant. mark: the focus on the ryan meeting, the fact that he had that meeting. he met with senate strategists. he met with rob portman, one of things ont stakes the table this your. t-- this year. he listened a lot in these meetings. paul ryan said that trump was
very gracious and personal. what these men and women and the party one, someone they can trust. leads us to our next part of the conversation, what is the political motivation? why is ryan so accommodating? mark: i'm surprised at how far he went today. he really was, try to accentuate the positive in every moment in that press conference he had in the joint statement. a bunch of republicans endorsed trump in the last couple days. kevin mccarthy, the number two republican. a budget committee chairs. i don't think those endorsements an any choice. he has got to move towards consolidating. i think ryan realizes that no w trump can win. he wants to have trump if he ends up as a speaker with --
working with a republican present. --president. nicolle: they are diametrically foreignon trade, policy, you could go on and on. but when you look back, you have written great books about better at whatok people have done in washington this is when people reach across the great policy divide. mark: but they do agree on some stuff, including the bare bones. nicolle: talking about life in the supreme court. mark: they agree on the politics. they want hillary clinton to lose. both donald trump and paul ryan admit that despite the common ground that have found, they still have differences. so, you mentioned some of them. which of the big differences you named will matter in the context of this election? ryanf trump wins and
remain speaker, which of those differences cannot be papered over? gut tells me foreign policy pivot having covered campaigns, it is the economy, right? finding some progress message that does not make paul ryan cringe every time he has to talk about donald trump's appetite for trade wars and his protectionism and his isolationism on the economic front, i think those are the differences that are so fundamental if you go back and look at the public paul ryan record. mark: why couldn't trump rewrite his tax plan? nicolle: trump can. paul ryan can't. he does not have a lot of room to -- trump is not wed to any of his policies. mark: they will have to agree to disagree on immigration. on title reform -- entitlement reform, i think trump can move. they are going to preserve these
programs for current beneficiaries and save them for future generations. i think trump can make that switch. nicolle: for trump, we will know more about his appetite for very something that is unpopular. his comfort zone is doing what he thinks his popular space wants to hear. they do not want to hear that they will get less when it comes to entitlement. mark: it is not going to be less. it is just going to be different. the big thing is tax reform. nicolle: so, all this said, do you think that ryan endorsement is either imminent or probable? mark: i do not know exactly how he is going to do it. my hunch is they do not want to make this a big deal. he can sort of ease into it. easing into the hot water of the cold water. he went a long way today. it is inevitable. i cannot imagine he can back down, particularly because so
many of his colleagues are getting on board with child. he will find a way to say -- getting on board with trump. i'm comfortable with them. but he would be not just a better president than hillary clinton but someone we can work with as conservatives to change the country. running against not just washington before today but against the republican party. bill clinton did the same thing in 1992, but after he got the nomination he turned a little bit and ran more against both parties and the washington culture. once he reaches that point, i think ryan will endorse them. nicolle: i think it is likely. such an intellectual force in the conservative movement. there is an element of therapy. in full view of the cameras. issues like life and conservative principles, which is what we always say when we disagree with each other. i think this will be harder than ryan will make it look. it speaks to his talent and some flexibility we did not know he had. mark: coming up, we'll talk
ultimate pragmatist and he is also someone who can see the roman corner -- see around the corner politically. paul ryan is in a different position as the head of the party, the chairman of the convention, much more visible. some of mcconnell's strengths are backroom strengths. they had kind of different responsibilities and different challenges. so, when you see the public reluctance of paul ryan, when we know of him as being this policy did not even wonk, want to be speaker -- embracing net position -- and wanting to defend conservatism of this modern time and move it in a way that is more appealing to a broader base. mcconnell is playing a tactical game. he is kind of the new majority leader and does not want to see that go away with the election. they have got 24 seats on the ballot. democrats only have 10. she does not want to lose his majority. the message she is sending, and definite feedback
from other senate republicans, is that the people have chosen trump. the faster those in washington get on board with that, the better it will be. it is not as if their resistance to trump is going to change his place as the nominee. after all the talk of the convention. so, mcconnell, more quietly, more slowly getting to that end point faster. so, who even noticed endorsement from mcconnell? whereas there is all this pressure about will ryan endorse and when? it is a study in contrasts. they have different responsibilities by different messages to the republican party. on the senate side, senators want to be able to be their own people, to be defining their own race, not to be linked to trump. democrats,w the individual campaigns and organizations, will try to link each one of those on the ballot to donald trump and the ways that are the most controversial. but there is always a desire to make sure there is
fundraising power with the nominee who we do not yet know, will he worked with those on the ballot in the fall to raise money for the party? they have got to pay for the convention this time. not federally financed. all of those issues come to a head today, beginning towards a new direction. mcconnell giving people a path to get on board. ryan trying to keep the soul of intact, totiy say we want policy -- what a whirlwind of a day. i cannot wait to exhale when it is all over and take it all in. nicolle: i have been watch you all day. i hope you have taken a breather. i want to know how hands-on mcconnell is with the senators who really, eye trump with a lot of competition? >> one thing mcconnell does is he lets an individual senator run their race. there are some very vulnerable seats. and he knows those senators will have to move away from trump on key issues.
will have to be voices of criticism to trump, whether it is about the muslim ban issue. whether it is about his relationship to women voters and how well he is performing or not performing there. and so, you will see mcconnell do a couple of things. he will use the senate floor and advancecies that may in the normal work is a capitol hill, expect no dangerous vote for republicans, no walking off the plank. he will give them room to run their own races. and i think there is a next vacation that trump probably will not care if some of those republican candidates distance themselves. running against washington. i think where paul ryan is looking for unity, and we are certainly hearing from members of the republican conference that they do not want to be in a a hard place between her speaker and their party nominee, when many voters at home -- not all -- are sending a signal about trump. we are hearing that there are
some members of the senate who can feel the changes in the electorate over a number of years. and that has taken this party to trump for good or bad or the unknown. so, expect mcconnell to want to protect that majority first and foremost. of course, he wants to see a republican president, but his job is to protect that majority. mark: kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. thank you very much. i will say these meetings coming with some state polls and national poll showing trump in position to win -- republicans are happy to see someone who can ashley take back the white house. two republican congressman trump talk about trump. and what it means -- two republican congressmen talk about trump. what it means, next. ♪
about donald trump session on capitol hill today, two republican members of the house. who said trump will be the nominee but has not endorsed him yet. they both join us from the canon rotunda on capitol hill. gentlemen, welcome. let me start with you, congressman merino. tell me what you think donald trump accomplished today with the meetings on the hill? congressman merino: he accomplish a lot. for the sake of getting together -- not so much air out differences but i think they can did realize they have a great deal -- came to realize they have a great deal in common. mark: is there something that would make you get wildly enthusiastic about donald trump? >> i'm supporting donald trump
because he is the nominee of the party. i have always said it would support anyone who is the nominee. i would have to sit down and talk with him and really understand some of the things he has been saying. he has been attacking some of the things conservatives believe in. what heo know exactly believes. i'm not sure the press has gotten everything right. i need to get to know him. has 100%i think he better than hillary clinton. i have no problem supporting him in the presidential race. nicolle: conversely labrador, -- ador, do youlabr worry where the polls are with trump and women? the -- it requires them to narrow the gender gap. are you worried about those comments? labrador: if you look at the polls vis-à-vis donald trump, he has been a master of actually doing better
than the poll say. if you look from the polls -- at a year ago,om maybe no one suspected he was going to be the nominee. no one suspected he would win women in the republican party. he did pretty well with women in the republican party. i think he is going to narrow that gap. i think he needs to explain better to the american people what his positions are, because he is going to have $500 billion worth of money to used against him. he really needs to get his house in order and figure out how exactly he is going to explain some of those positions he has taken. mark: congressman marino, i'm wondering how much in the last week or so and even today your colleagues are coming up to you asking you about donald trump, asking to set up meetings with donald trump or his senior staff, how much has the excitement built in this last week? no: it hasn mari
increased substantially. more individuals coming up saying, what can i do? love the idea that paul and dona ld got together. i speak with paul on a regular basis and donald. i think this is going to be a dynamic combination. this man as president, the finesse and experience that paul has on the hill in numbers game. aese two, along with republican house and republican senate, can make america great again. ark: congressman labrador in normal cycle at this point all the republican members of the house would be enthusiastic about the nominee. now we have gradations going from people saying it will not vote for donald trump to people saying enthusiastic about it. wil that be true by the time we get to cleveland -- will that be true? or it will be a largely united
party? labrador: i think it will be enthusiastic by the time we get to cleveland. there is one common enemy and that is hillary clinton. -- i know the kind of people she is going to pick for your administration. all these people are different than what i want for america, what i want for the future of america. ithink we will come behind, think we will get excited about never hillary. little by little we will get more excited about donald trump your it i think what he did today, he came to congress, he talked to the leadership. i think he was able to go all long way to unify the party, but i think it really is up to both donald trump and paul ryan to unify the party. i think we can do that. i think if you look at previous elections, you had some trepidation about john mccain. you had some trepidation about mitt romney. this always happens after a
brusising primary. i think we are going to come together and win this time. nicolle: is there anything about republican party that you would miss? are there any things we have lost with donald trump as the standardbearer? marino: quite the opposite. i think we have gained things. in speaking with paul and the conservatives and the house, we want to make sure that the article i issue is in fact congress's authority, not the president. in my discussions with donald, he has no problem with that. we are pro-life, and donald is pro-life. on the other hand, paul hyas sharedwith me -- has with me that the people have overwhelmingly voted to have donald trump is the candidate. among others say
he is concerned with, our trade and border security. paul's made that very clear that donald will be the nominee because of those two issues. and they will get together. we will get together as a party to come up with solutions. so, just about everybody is on board. nicolle: can i challenge you? the republican party stood for more issues than just life and the constitution. we used to stand for fear and for -- for free and fair trade. republicans are obama's biggest allies and trying to get the current trade -- go ahead. marino: let me address that. because it is not fair trade. i want fair trade. not free trade. these other countries need us more than we need them. theirre manipulating currency. they are subsidizing manufacturing, flooding the
market. and donald trump and paul ryan and the republicans in the house and senate, we have to make changes, meaning that lower taxes for middle-class people, lower the corporate tax -- that will bring industry back to this country so we can manufacture steel and products that we cannot only sell in america, quality products that will create high-paying jobs, but around the world as well. indulgence for. a rapid route. who's -- rapid round. who is the favorite, clinton or trump? who's the favorite? marino: trump. mark: who should donald trump hiss as his -- pick as running mate? marino: i would say
one of the female governors. mark: who would you be delighted with if he picked him? labrador: i think ted cruz abu wonderful and i think governor perry would be wonderful, as well. judge inederal washington has struck darting part of the formal care act, concluding the president overstepped by funding insurance subsidies without congressional approval. the case will be appeals. ed. up next, a trump advisor and a be here tor will talk about the big meetings today after this quick break. ♪
personality? ryan: i think it was a very good personality and he is a very warm and genuine person. we believe in limited government, we believe in the constitution, we believe in the proper role of the differences of the separation of powers. we believe in things like life. it is important to get ourselves to full strength so we can win the fall, because the stakes could not be higher. it takes more than 45 minutes. mark: that was speaker paul ryan at his press conference this morning, answering a question i asked about his meeting with donald trump. here now, trump campaign senior adviser barry bennett. and dan -- gentlemen, welcome. barry, seemed as best i can tell, series of successful meetings today. what do you know about the meeting with secretary of state baker? barry: i don't know a bunch
about it. i know they were talking about transition and transition teams. mark: besides the fact that everybody has talked it up, what you say concrete was accomplished today? barry: i think a lot of people got to meet donald trump for the first time. what they will find as he has a very engaging, big personality. so, some of their preconceived notion start to erode away. mark: anything happened today that causes you to say, you know what? i am not going to stand with the bushes and mitt romney. >> no. because, there were three outcomes that could've occurred today. outcome one would've been it was such a great meeting that paul ryan would have endorsed donald trump. outcome two would've been him saying there is no way in hell i'm endorsing donald trump. and outcome number three is what occurred, which is we have to keep the channel of communication open. effectively, donald trump is on trial, and i am going to work
with them and see if i can get to endorsing him. hold on. for the most senior elected republican and the country to come out with a meeting with the presumptive republican nominee after the guy h aas is locked up and say i'm still not ready to endorse -- is not inconsequential. mark: what is the application of it? implication of it? >> whether or not he can get trump educated to the point that he feels comfortable that trump is actually conservative. i do not believe a lot of people, some that are supporting him, believe that he is. what would have been dangerous for paul is that he endorsed him and have trump revert back to his schoolyard and takes or to another revision to one of his positions on tax reform, entitlement reform, foreign policy -- his assurances are meaningless.
and paul out there completely embarrassed because he is endorse this guy who's bouncing around. mark: pretend you are not here for a second. you were a trump skeptic when you're working for ben carson. when you look at this, what is the psychological profile you see? barray: he's nearing the final stage. i've been in dan's shoes. when john mccain was running. i was never mccain, no way, no how. the guy is not a republican. i wrote him a check. mark: you are comparing trump to mccain? barry: i'm comparing -- we walked in the same shoes. dan: if you call yourself a conservative, there is not a single issue, come on, that donald trump has embraced that as a self-respecting conservative can say i have confidence he actually believes
that, because there are real principles and convictions. he will govern with. nicolle: can i jump in? for a lot ofked the same people, we championed the same policies -- and i believe the people we worked for believe them at the time? where diwedd we lose the base of our party? dan: there is a complete economiesoing on in in western europe and the united states. this intense socioeconomic stratification that is manifesting -- you see in the brexit debate in the u.k. you see the president elected in austria. poland, haungary. this transcends the republican party. it is happening with bernie sanders. it transcends sovereign boundaries. it's happening all over the place. so, we are experiencing the symptoms of an electorate across the board that just wants to blow the system up.
i respect that. i do think there is a lot to learn from this process over the last few months that we lost some of our party as the democrats have. vessel forat the that outrage, for that frustration, to repair it also be a guy who does not believe in anything. to thehat is the cost trump campaign to not have paul ryan right now, to not have the bushes, is there a cost to winning? barry: if you look at the last three national polls, frankly not much. 42, 41, 43, 42%. thd republicans are coming -- the republicans are coming home. it should not be a surprise to anyone that washington is the last place to understand that. live ine bushes on'tdon't washington. nicolle: i think his supporters
you going to washington and trying to make up to the establishment as a potential landmine. barry: i would agree. dan: in 2008, after mccain had the nomination locked up. 10 point ahead of obama. obama was in the middle of a private. taking a snapshot of these polls and over interpreting them is a mistake. outbama, if trump came today and said i'm for expanding obamacare, not stringent -- shrinking it. take the position hillary clinton has. if trump did that, would you be ok with that? barry: no. dan: how do you reconcile his complete flip on his tax reform plan? barry: because i do not believe it is a complete flip. dan: he literally said that a few days ago. it is a starting point. barry: all you hear is what you want to hear.
what he said was, i have to negotiate with congress. you and i both know that is what you have to do. you are not going to get everything you want. dan: no, that is not what he said. he said, you are not going to get the tax cuts that i want. what about entitlement reform? we should deal with the fact that the country is on the cost of going insolvent. i do not want to deal with entitlements. barry: i do not want to waste my time. all he wants to do is make sure nobody gets hurt. and we can do that. dan: but that is not what he has said. barry: i'm telling you -- he said publicly different from what you think he wants to do? think you interpret everything he says word for word and you attach a meeting to it. what he does not want to do is hurt seniors. he's not going to do that. dan: when you run for office, words matter. you are asking me to discard his
words. mark: hold on. i understand, we understand, you have been here before talking about your reservations. what are your feelings about whether trump has a good chance to win this election. dan: it's about probability 10 you have to apply the probability. do i think trump has a 35% of winning. about 50% chance? st most races he would say he. like donald trump being commander-in-chief and having the potential to reach havoc on the country in the world, i think he has the potential to do, in the messaging with sender the world, suddenly that 30% scarce me. 30% that is, actually high. mark: what is he pi -- if he picks as his running mate someone with foreign policy --
dan: i am not a close advisor. people in positions and agendas are pieces on a chessboard for him. he embraces someone because he needs them. look at the way he treated chris christie over the last eight weeks is stunning. whether it is issues are people, he takes them up -- picks them up and drop them. he has to reassure voters, the country, that he has the chops, the credentials, the judgment, the temperament to be commander in chief. i do not believe a running mate -- mark: it does not change your view at all. i don't believe you. with all due respect, if bob gates was running, it had to affect your view -- nicolle: bob gates said very nice things about hillary clinton. was there any part of paul ryan that was dying on the inside/crying on the inside? and was there any part of donald trump that was dying on the
inside and having to kowtow to these people he has had so much success lampooning for the last nine months? was there any part of either of these men that was dying on the inside today? barry: i don't think so. a politicalan is leader of ideas. he has been involved with the ideas debate for a long time. and i think watching -- and watching the conservative movement fold, or parts of the conservative movement fold to it, iuy who's just using think is difficult. he is also the leader of a party, and he is trying to strike this balance. nicolle: i agree with you. mark: donald trump on the stump has used paul lyons as -- paul rayn as --paul ryan as a laugh line. will he continue to do that? barry: -- he's not going to do that. mark: a guy he just hung out with? know. i mean, you
suddenly these are all new brand new conservatives who are very concerned about the conservative legacy. it's laughable. dan: i agree with you that it is laughable that all -- i think it is a fair critique that washington republicans have not been serious about developing a real conservative governing agenda. the idea that donald trump is the antidote to that, who's never been embraced or engaged in or advocated for conservative idea in his life? barry: let me tie something. policy is important. how we talk about them, they are far more important -- let me tell you something. that is where we really have failed. the reason we get 40 5% and a presidential race is because nobody things we even care let alone listen. a the reason we get 45% in presidential race. mark: great discussion. when we come back, our rapidfire rendition of mr. trump goes to washington.
it was a really big day in the nation's capital. here is what happens with donald trump in the beltway. >> trump-ryan meetings. >> it is not your average meet and greet. >> donald trump will kick off his day four hours from now. >> wheels down >> trump force one. >> there is donald trump. >> meeting number one begins. >> reince priebus is the couple therapist. >> there are some bagpipers
playing. >> we have one update from meeting number one now that meeting number two is underway. still anticipating meeting number three. the chair of the rnc says the first meeting was in his words "great." >> the meeting was great. >> to you feel like a couple therapist? >> a great first step. it was great. >> 11:00 a.m. trump arrives for senate meeting. joint, trump-ryan statement. the podium. takes no, the other news. >> i think we had a very encouraging meeting. a very encouraged with this meeting. very encouraged. >> reporters got the message. >> this was an encouraging step. >> no endorsement. 1:00 p.m. more meetings for trump.
2:12, trump tweets -- >> things working out really well. >> 2:31 wheels up. mark: got a lot of work done. face-to-face. it is harder to attack people if you sit face-to-face with them. nicolle: may, but donald trump is, you know, a guy that is breaking all convention. i think that what is interesting about today as i am not sure this had anything to do with what his supporters wanted him to do. i reached out to a few of the trump supporters, and they were appalled he was going to try to kind of suck to people who disparaged him and disrespected what he has done. i think what trump wanted most today was respect and some sort of a claim for what is undeniably massive political publishing. -- political accomplishment . i'm not sure he go accomplished that.
paul ryan is very much a part of that. mark: i miscalculate it. i do not think he would get nearly as much as he got today. it was a very successful day. even although he alienated some people. that is the balancing act any outsider has to engage in. coming up, a man who is actually seeing donald j trump's tax returns. we will be right back. ♪
you are not at liberty to say what you saw in the returns but explain theoretically, big picture, one of the kinds of things you think the country with learn if they saw donald trump three turns? the column into four categories. one easy one is income. we will see whether or not the money he earns from his businesses comports with the statements he made probably about it. it is not get to his net worth. but it does give you a reflection of some of the foundations of his wealth, as well as the scope of his business operations. he has made a point in his campaign of saying the u.s. businesses are mistaken for operating their corporations overseas. that comes at the expense of the american worker. we know that trump sources some of the things for his businesses overseas. does he have investments of his own overseas? the would come out in personal and corporate tax
returns he would turn over. cap charitable contributions are big area of interest. he has made things like his support for war veterans of focus of many of his campaign appearances. be there doesn't appear to credible evidence that he has been a generous donor to veterans despite saying so. then i think lastly and really importantly is he's running for the most important office in the land. and i think it is important for anyone on the side of the aisle office, dos that demonstrate to voters what the possible financial or business influences that are that might come to bear on them sitting in the white house. mark: who he ahas partnered with or invested with? mitt romney or mark halperin agree with you on the public interest in seeing this? i'm not sure i do. i think we are in a political
environment where the market is required -- that voters are not clamoring to have the same sort of transparency of donald trump than they are from anyone else. they accepted his political branches of an outsider. they are not demanding normal things that they demand of normal candidates. i wonder if you think that not turning over the tax return is potentially more damaging to him, or because you have seen what is in it, if you think the return itself is more damaging to him. tim: i think with trump we have seen in his candidacy a guy who basically nothing has really clung to him, from statements people have made about -- he is made about people running against him, to policy statements, to his own business record. thes sort of at least in primary season moved past that with some ease. so, whether or not his release
of his tax returns is going to matter to the primary voters who speculate not i'd what has not been tested is what does that support look like in a general election? we are going to see that next. and think some of these -- i think some of these issues that m will beling to hi much more thorny and the general election. there is this big body of middle american voters who i think will want more answers than the primary voters did. mark: up next, what donald trump has just said that -- about his big day in washington after this. ♪
today. donald trump -- donald trump in an interview with sean hannity. here is more about what trump did and said today at our story at bloomberg politics.com. i did not expect the day to be successful. i hear about dan senor about how ryan did not go all the way to heelys with personal ties. with personal ties. nicolle: we keep watching the ryan dynamic but the thing that has political consequences are whether trump can get his legs under him on serious issues of national security. the biggest good but voters he has to win over are women. he seems to shoot from the hip on matters of national security and that finds some of them. i think he has the most to gain from the conversations with lindsey graham at baker. mark: if he reigns in his
rhetoric and convinces republican seeking win and raise money and keep his outsider edge while making personal ties, that makes him a much more potential candidate than the democrats into thinking he is. nicolle: republicans have gone -- you talking privately about how we could likely win. except dan. oldier.e's a japanese sho coming up next on "bloomberg west" the week life -- winkelwe iss twins. sayonara. ♪
came hours after brazil's senate in peace president dilma rousseff on charges of using accounting tricks to manage the federal budget. president rousseff promises to permanent removal from office saying "i may have committed errors but i never committed crimes." in washington, donald trump and paul ryan medicus the backdrop of what the speaker has called a bruising primary season. i want to keep the things we discussed between the two of us because they are very important and they are personal. and that means we talked about what it takes to unify, where our differences were, and how we can bridge these gaps -- so that we are strong as a party going into the fall. rump also spoke separately with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell a federal judge has ruled them of the of veritable care -- the affordable care law isn't allowed. the ruling has been stayed pending the white house appeal. times" resrk