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the catholic school in orlando with a visit to a fourth-grade classroom. teachers unions criticized the visit saying it shows trump's hostility towards public schools. federal authorities have arrested a man in connection with threats made to at least eight jewish community centers nationwide and the anti-defamation league's headquarters in new york city. he appeared in federal court in missouri today. attorney general jeff sessions met with the head of the naacp today after sessions suggested the justice department would limit federal investigations of troubled police departments. and a place if he sessions' policy -- naacp say sessions' policy signals a troubling decline. vice president mike pence used i his personal email as governor.
it was compromised by hackers. an aide said he almost did not deal with classified information. global news 24 hours a day. i am alisa parenti. this is bloomberg. "bloomberg technology" is next. ♪ caroline: i am caroline hyde. this is "bloomberg technology" live from new york. no risk, no reward. they bolted to the top tier after being the first to bet on snap. we speak with the managing director. it is her job to make sure they play by the rules. does the e.u. have it in for apple, facebook, and google? you will hear our exclusive interview.
card.sk's first report how did the pivot to the cloud impact their bottom line? we will crunch the numbers with the company's interim c.e.o.. first to our lead, snap continues to pop on the new york stock exchange. shares continue to rise, ending the day up 10%. also riding high is its investors. they were the first institution to financially back it. it has been on a seller run in recent months. joining me now from san francisco, the managing director barry eggers and founding partner. what a story you have to tell on the back of snap. it was five years ago you sat in the kitchen and saw your doctor playing with a new app? >> that is right. about five years ago today, i walked into the kitchen.
my son and daughter and some of their friends from high school were looking at their funds and laughing -- phones and laughing. i was curious what they were doing. i asked what they were doing. she said this app is called snapchat. i said i have not heard of it. what does it do? she said you take pictures. you sent them to your friends and they disappear in 10 seconds or less. i thought, what kind of pictures? she said funny stuff between friends. they showed me a bunch of examples. it turns out they were using this thing about 30 times a day. all the girls were saying we use it a lot. my son said we use it a lot, too. allought there is this app the kids are using and no adult new about so we had to investigate. caroline: you and your partner met the founders within a few days. within 10 days, the money was in as part of the $485,000
investment that went up to $8 million or so. do you think the growth will remain in your daughter's generation or grow with that generation or will it encapsulate a broader age group? know, when we invested, i think the company had 100,000 daily users. now they have something like 158 million daily users five years later. we have seen plenty of growth. what captured our attention was the engagement and the time these kids were spending on it. my daughter and her friends were going on at 30 times a day. they still do that today. ande kids live on this app spend a lot of time communicating with each other. caroline: the haters that say this will not be the next facebook, you are saying it does not need to be. grow much past 158 million? >> i don't know.
i think every new social media platform grows and develops its audience and revenue in a different way. i think snapchat is taking its own course. caroline: i would love to dig into the rest of your portfolio. as 2017 goes, it is stellar. they get bought quickly by cisco the day before they are to list. another on the list will go public soon enough. is this a perfect storm for companies to go public right now? are you leaning on your portfolio companies to go public? >> we feel fortunate to have some of our companies have liquidity events. you mentioned four of them. it was not like we made these investments yesterday. two of those eight and 10 years ago. snapchat five years ago. these things take time to build
the business and become mature enough companies to be able to stand alone as a public company. we are thrilled we have a number of these things happening this year. it has been a nice year for us. caroline: do you think it will continue? we are at heady heights. we are near record highs. would you have been as willing to see snap go public now? >> i think that is a question for the companies. wed companies in the past, have seen they can go public in bad markets. in really good markets, a lot of companies can go public. what people are hoping is snapchat creates excitement in the ipo market and maybe other companies can follow. caroline: we have a great function on the bloomberg called the startup barometer. it tracks not only the venture activity but also the exits we are seeing. it has deteriorated over the last few months since the heady highs of december and the real
highs in june of 2015. does it need more to be feeding back into the ecosystem around the world? do you think venture capitalism is becoming more wary of wanting to see growth and some measure of profitability before they come jumping in? is it as good as it ever was? >> i think you are right. as an industry, everyone likes to talk about unicorns and the highly valued companies. we have investors, too. they have been very patient with us. they would like their money back. they would like more than the money back. liquidity is something our industry has to deliver. i am hoping through 2017 and 18 our industry can heart -- start to 20 oh more liquidity back to our investors which i think will fuel the continued growth of our industry. caroline: do you think the ecosystem for startups still has plenty of money want to get into the target companies? do you think that is changing?
? >> i think that tide is changing. there has been a lot of money come into our industry. at the end of the day, it is every company's dream to be a public company. i think a lot of companies want to do that. you trying to encourage our companies to put themselves in a position to be a candidate for that. caroline: i have to end on a high note from a great personal perspective and feel good story. you also encouraged your children's school to invest in snap. explain who they were and how much money they have come out the wiser. >> that is right. st. francis high school where my kids were going at the time, i had the venture fund they started in the late 1990's and i am a member of. when they heard about snap through the kids, we thought what better way to reward them then bring them along in our investments. we asked if they would like to
join us in the seed. they said yes. we recommended investment. the rest is history. they invested $15,000. i think yesterday they sold some stock somewhere around $24 million and still have some shares. they are really happy at st. francis. i think they will do great things with that money. invested $8 million three $2 billion holding in a half. absolutely wonderful news for you. i'm sure we will be speaking to you in the future about quarter profitable companies. and questions over cooper -- over uber. "the new york times" reports the tool allows the company to show fakecement officers a application. ub said thee effort is meant to enforce violations of its termsr
of status agreement in what it calls a prevention program. scandals continue to pile-up including video showing the c.e.o. arguing with a driver. will have more on that video later this hour. coming up, we catch up with the e.u. competition commissioner. find out what she has to say about the numerous u.s. tech giants under the watchful eye of european regulators. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪
house and a deteriorating neighborhood. he says their products are not enough to overcome standalone imaging products declines. they are some of the u.s. tech companies that have come under fire for european regulators. the commissioner says these campaigns have nothing to do with the companies' country of origin and reiterated the need for a level playing field in europe. we caught up with the commissioner on "daybreak." regulators are concerned about the pace of disruption in the industry. "bloomberg technology" i don't think so -- >> i don't think so. i am very happy to be with you this morning. i think it is very important we see businesses grow, create value, create jobs. and in europe, where not at all foreign to success. on the contrary. obviously, we and to make sure we have the right tools in the toolbox in order to ensure fair competition. caroline: you have wielded those
tools with some efficiency it would seem. i'm sitting in silicon valley at the moment. , i hear u.s. companies feel at times they are under fire. in the past year, apple being asked to pay that billions. you have had facebook being investigated. do you think u.s. tech giants have something to be concerned about from you? do you think they are misinterpreting what the e.u. is trying to a comp push -- accomplish? isone of our basic values equal treatment. we do not see the flag, we do not see the ownership in europe. we have big, publicly owned businesses. but we are looking at is fair competition. we do want to see successful companies allow for others to challenge them.
the nowthe content of three google cases, to allow them to be challenged and not misuse their dominant position. we are still in the process of looking into whether our objections are correct, taking on board also google's views in that procedure. caroline: the search case is seven years old. does it frustrate you how long the investigations take? do we have to realize things can take years? do you have an idea when the google search case might be confirmed or wrapped up? staffersk some of my find i am a little obsessed. no matter how much we work on making our processes more lean, we are always held back by the fact of the quality of the casework. that is what ensures the rule of law, that you have the full
right to defend yourself. that can never be compromised. obviously, we have to make sure we have sufficient time. but we are always pushing to make our procedures quicker, more lean, to get better access to files to make sure we are working as professionally as possible. that being said, it is very difficult to give any deadlines because something may come up and we will have to look into that. that also goes for the google cases. caroline: talking tax now. earss what everyone's pricked up to the apple case. that was to do with ireland. how do these countries react to you? do they worry about how efficient or attractive they could be if the taxation rules are changed? >> that is difficult for me to
say because we have a large degree of autonomy in member states in europe when it comes to setting the level of taxation. the one thing we agreed on that goes 60 years back down is taxpayers should not support one company or group of companies where no one else can enjoy these benefits. that is basically the ups and downs of these tax cases. these old and fundamental principles that selective advantages paid by taxpayers disturbs competition. that is a competition tool specific through europe. i don't think you have anything similar in the u.s. european that was the competition commissioner. we will bring you more of that conversation later. coming up, we speak with the co-c.e.o.'s onm how the company is faring. a reminder of our tv function.
caroline: the design software giant autodesk's change of course is showing in its numbers. in the first earning reports as the c.e.o. step aside, it boosted its recurring sales. the overall revenue fell and it by fewer -- hindered by fewer license sales. joining us from san francisco is co-c.e.o.'s interim and the chief marketing officer. i want to dig into the revenue. revenue per share loss guidance for the next year did miss some
forecasts. i want to read you a quote from one of the analysts. she said remain on the sidelines until the new subscription model can settle into a more consistent predictable pattern. when willask you, this occur, this consistent pattern? >> we are on the path to delivering that. if you look at our analyzed -- annualized revenue growth, it is growing nicely. 84% of our quarterly revenue on track to get to 90%. we are building the right long-term results. the change in the outlook for 2018 had to do with decisions we made to change short-term revenue for long-term revenue. they were as designed. we are very confident about our long-term targets. caroline: this is something we have tracked with many a company making the shift to a cloud -- to the cloud. i want to ask you, andrew, will you stop selling licenses
altogether? how much will you shift to a cloud-based model? >> essentially, we have already stopped selling perpetual licenses. we only sell a small number. all of our mainline products have already done the cloud over. the thing we are working on now is moving the customers who are maintaining their perpetual licenses. it is another form of subscription we call maintenance. they pay us a fee every year and we ship them a new copy of perpetual software. that is what we have to move over. in the earnings call we announced our new program to move the maintenance base over to the pure subscription model as well. that is going to be in process. that will be the last vestiges of the perpetual model in our business. caroline: does it mean the 3 million subscriptions will grow significantly? >> yes. we anticipate it will grow at 20% annual growth rate. i think we are seeing sustained momentum from new customers
taking advantage of subscription and existing customers switching from maintenance over to subscription. i think we are on track to exceed over 5 million subscriptions in the three-year timeframe. caroline: andrew, talk to me about the new subscribers and sectors you are pushing into. construction, manufacturing, that seems to be the way you are going. how much does it ebb and flow with the economy? >> we do go a little bit with the economy. the cyclical part of our business is the low end of our with one ore people two person companies. that is where we see the more cyclical behavior. construction and manufacturing are stable. that is where we are seeing a lot of growth, particularly construction. one of the things you heard in our earnings report is we saw three times more subscribers from our cloud products in q4 than any other quarter. those are the products squarely positioned on construction.
we actually saw the same kind of performance in our manufacturing products. we saw 150% growth year over year in the subscribers to those products. we are seeing strong growth. we are not seeing any secular or macro headwind at all in our business. caroline: talk to me about the bottom line. we are hearing about the revenue agents of, subscription potential. what about profitability? is that going to pick up? >> as our annualized revenue base keep growing and more revenue becomes recurring, people can predict our profitability which we have tried through presentations given indication we will reach $6 in free cash flow share by 2020. the metrics we delivered against earnings show us on track to deliver that. only traditional
accounting side, it looks like we are at a loss right now. everything is as designed. that is heading towards the profitability we predicted for the long-term. caroline: andrew, how tough was the investor day? you have been under pressure from activist investors in particular. how do you deal with that? how much pressure to they put on your business model? >> investor days are always an opportunity for us to explain what we are trying to accomplish long-term. one of the things we were getting from our investors over the last 18 months was we do not understand the transition. we don't understand where the business model is going and how you are doing it. we spent a lot of time in our last investor day giving them detail about the business. one of the things you saw was our stock price ran up pretty dramatically afterwards because people started to get more detailed understanding about what we were doing and some of the underlying mechanics. that is what you have to do
sometimes to get people comfortable with what is happening. you have to give them the details. caroline: very quickly, are you going to remain c.e.o.? will you be fighting it out? >> we are working very well together. it is up to the board. they are running a process to figure out who the next leader will be. andrew and i have worked together for 15 years or more. we are having a blast running the company. we have been co-architects of this transition. we are going to keep driving it. caroline: wonderful to have you both on, autodesk interim co-sierras -- co-c.e.o.'s. this is bloomberg. ♪
he began a tour of saint andrew catholic school in orlando with a visit to a fourth grade classroom. president trump: you want your own business? you are going to make a lot of money, right? don't run for politics after you do that. [laughter] teachers unions criticized the visit saying it shows the president's hostility towards public schools. mr. trump called education the civil rights issue of our time and asked lawmakers to pass a bill that would fund school choice. in france, he has overtaken marine le pen in the presidential race for the first time. 27%w poll has him with leading le pen by less than two points. another candidate is under pressure to step aside after being caught up in a corruption investigation. mexico's economy minister told the detroit economic club friday any renegotiation of nafta must
be a win win win for mexico, canada, and the united states. the 23-year-old agreement, we need to bring it up. when we were negotiating nafta, we did not have cellphones. we had to do consultations with mexico with lines. mexico is open for private investors the --vestment and free cover edition. the telecom sector is not as relevant as it is today. we have open competition in the telecom sector in mexico. mark: the minister says mexico is part of the solution, not the problem. tunisia agreed today to expedite acceptance of 1500 citizens whose asylum applications were rejected by germany. it also accepted a $264 million funding to develop rural regions and create jobs. the agreement between the
tunisians and germany comes in the wake of a votto -- fatal truck attack on the christmas market carried out by a tunisian. his asylum request was rejected. germany says the tunisian bureaucratic delays prevented his expulsion. on friday, he concluded a marathon round of talks in geneva with an agreement from the conflicting parties to resume further talks on a political transition to end the six-year war. >> the train is ready, in the station, it is warming up its engine. everything is ready. it just needs an accelerator. the accelerator is in the hands of those attending. mark: he added only a political solution can address the problem. in new york, i am mark crumpton. ♪ caroline: this is "bloomberg technology."
i am caroline hyde. let's get back to the biggest story in tech this week, the snap ipo. the company looks to be off to a strong start after a pop in shares in the first few days of trading. i spoke with alex barinka and eric newcomer about snap and other key tech headlines grabbing our attention this week. >> people still excited even with long-term concerns looking at what the analysts are saying, "euphoric" comes to mind from the notes we have read. it seems like a successful ipo so far. we have got news on the likes of comcast investing $500 million in the ipo. that is a 15% share of the stakes sold. caroline: great scoop. great reporting from you. talk about euphoric. it is the making of lightspeed ventures in particular.
they were the first ever investor in this company. liuightspeed, jeremy tracked them down with his partner. they found snap and got a huge stake of it worth more than $2 billion now. they will have to see. this price has to sustain. they sold some of it in the ipo. i think it was them $8 million if i remember right. benchmark is the biggest holder. lightspeed got in early. it is not just the snap investment. they have been in others. it has been a string of wins. >> it has been interesting because there have not been a lot of tech ipo's. cisconamics got bought by earlier this year the day before it went public. when it comes to the lack of exits, it does seem like lightspeed has done it right. we don't know if that is them
picking the right founders, the good outcomes for lightspeed. >> they are getting in early which is what you need to do if you want to be a top firm and own a lot of the company by the time he goes public like snapchat. caroline: it is a busier space in seed investing in silicon valley. company has not had such an euphoric week. you managed to get your hands on a special video. >> every driver i think has imagined this at some point, confronting their top loss, the c.e.o. of uber in a car. at the end of the ride, the driver says i'm going bankrupt because of you and directly confronts travis who has a fierce response. caroline: to be fair, it was super bowl night. maybe he had a drink or two and was not being fully himself. what he has done is apologize.
>> he has. there have been a lot of questions about his leadership ability because of this. he is already dealing with the sexual harassment claims in the past couple of weeks from former employees. there are a lot of concerns right now. i have been up to my eyeballs with ipo's this week. talking to them about the uber, it seems like this was a name folks would consider could go. these are some of the pair met concerns that could keep a company from getting out. regardless of the company's plans right now, they say they will wait. travis has said he will wait. when it comes to the future path, if they decide to go in arenear term, these risks going to be layered on top of the regulatory concerns and those kind of things we have seen in the past. caroline: we heard peter thiel call this the most ethically challenged company in silicon valley. admitted for the first
time he needs leadership help. there are lots of questions about whether that means an advisor or very strong sheryl c.e.o.g-esque we really don't know what is going to happen, what he means by leadership help. it is clear they have to make moves and bring people in. they have an acting c.f.o. right now. there are a lot of high-level positions they still need to fill. uber,ne: still with another executive has ts stepped down. he announced his departure in email. he is the second executive to resign in the past week. the other quit after reports of his failure to disclose he was the subject of a sexual harassment investigation at his previous employer, google.
all the share popping love for snap is sure to drop the skeptics. the financial firms says they will short interest -- says interest is likely to reach $1 billion in a week. joining us now to discuss the ins and outs of snap is cory johnson from san francisco. you buy the short interest building? i'm looking at the analyst recommendations. there are five on the bloomberg. none are buyers yet. cory: i think the analyst recommendations don't matter a lot. there are 26 investment banks on this deal. writewill likely r research about snapchat. they are prohibited for 40 days. i expect they will come up with bullish arguments for the stock. caroline: potentially there are not only bullish hopes for where , but whenprice goes
you pour over the ipo perspectives as you have, there are some weeds to be pulling out. isy: i don't mean to suggest short a stock because the company has problems or because of valuation. this valuation does not make sense based on the existing business. people like the stock at 20 times. it does not mean it will go down because it is expensive. it is important to understand the underlying characteristics of how the business works. it is about how many users they have and how fast they can grow that user base while they charge more to advertisers to reach those users. caroline: i was speaking to barry eggers, the man who first found snapchat and put the money in with lightspeed. he says it is the addiction that matters. there might be expansion in the developed world. it seems to be the fact they among gen x.iction
cory: it is a wonderful product beloved by users. the does not mean the business can make money. it also does not mean it can grow. for this business to grow, it will have to add a lot more users. user growth has been slowing instagram.y with what is interesting is not just the slowing growth around into the fourth quarter, the 3% number that was so disconcerting. i think the real question is what was the holiday seasonality? the company had cometary in the filing. they said they had a boost in user growth at the end of the fourth quarter because of the holiday. -- is that3% number 3% number is a holiday induced boost, there is worry for the
next quarter. typicallyrowth carries over from the fourth quarter to the early part of the first quarter. holiday seasonality we do not expect to continue through future months. it sounds like they are saying the addition of users at the end of the fourth quarter might continue for a few weeks in general but did not continue beyond that. if the user growth is well below 3% in the first quarter, that is a big problem for this valuation. you are going to be a snapchat parent. are you getting into using it yourself? do you buy the views it will expand in terms of the age of users? cory: i am not sure if you called me really old or even older. caroline: just because you have procreated does not mean your old, i promise. cory: i think snapchat is great.
there is a cartoon that shows a head exploding and it says another case of an adult trying to learn to use snapchat. they have a great place for communication regardless of age of the user. i don't think it will be that grown-ups will not use it. i think young people will continue to use it. expanding the user base is so important. when users use the product, they use it a lot. caroline: there is the question of international growth and advertising. we trust you to pick through and get the juice when it comes to these perspectives. thank you very much for getting it out for us. editor-at-large, cory johnson. more of my conversation with european politician commissioner, what she has to say about all three investigations next. this is bloomberg. ♪
caroline: u.s. social media giants are facing antitrust roads in europe. exclusivef our interview, i asked at what point companies garner the attention of antitrust regulators. careful looking more because we see personal data when you have a lot of personal information can be a barrier to entry for other companies. it can be a very strong asset when it comes to innovation. so far, we have not had cases where it was data issues that was the make or break in any transaction. we are looking for it because we
see it becomes a more important asset in a number of different sectors actually. caroline: certainly. looking at germany for a case in point, they are analyzing whether facebook has perhaps looked at forcing its users to sign unfair privacy agreements. is this something you might be looking at from an e.u.-wide level? >> we have asked the germans to look into these issues both with the german legislative perspective and the european perspective to make sure we work efficiently and divide labor. this is a very interesting e because they are looking at the interface between privacy and competition law to see if the fact that facebook is very dominant in some markets make their them to users accept less protection of
their personal information that they would otherwise have due to the legislation. caroline: digging into facebook more, you have been looking into the deals in 2014. has the company responded to some of your objections regarding the data they provided during the transaction? >> we are still in the middle of that process investigation. it is too early to say. we have put a lot of effort into this because obviously it is very important for us to have correct information because we base our investigations on the facts of the case, the evidence, the information we get from the companies when we do a merger control. therefore, for us it is very important if we find out or get a concern we were not given the right set of evidence and facts when we did the merger control,
for us this is high priority. we try to do it as quickly as possible. this is: you are hoping a sign for companies looking at doing deals that transparency is the key? >> transparency with us is the key because obviously we are very committed to protect also the confidentiality in these transactions. we have put a lot of effort into making sure there is no leakages, but you can have a trusting working relationship even though we may have different responsibilities in the process of merger control. it is very important for us to have correct data, full information, in order for us to work in a way that will actually also make things happen in a constructive way, making sure we can do our job in a speedy and qualified weight. caroline: when looking at
another key tech giant, google is something you delve into on various issues. there are two google cases at the moment regarding android phone software and advertising. these are contract based. does that affect whether you are inclined to settle or impose fines? where do you stand on the two outcomes? are newer thans the google search case. google received objections in both cases. we have their answers. we are in the process of analyzing those answers and it is open as to where those two cases will go at the moment. caroline: are u.s. companies in general forthcoming with help and responsiveness to the e.u. competition commission? general i think so.
of course, we have different responsibilities, the businesses to their owners and shareholders, us to the citizens to enjoy the fruits of fair competition, of innovation, quality, affordable prices. i think there is a respect of the different responsibilities and very often a constructive working relationship. caroline: sometimes it seems as though companies, again for example google concerned about photos and particular fromshers, it seems to go the normal realms of antitrust but they seem to be looking to the antitrust commissioners to help whether it is something more to do with contract overwriting. what would you believe about the antitrust issue? is it an antitrust issue when it is more about copyrights? >> we have to be very thorough
before we open a case because copyright is copyright and antitrust is antitrust. even though the forces to enforce politician marcus stroman europe -- is very strong in europe, that is not mean every question is a question of competition enforcement. we try to be very precise making sure we do not use our antitrust tools when it is a copyright issue or an issue of how a contract has been made. withso try to be very open people who come to us and have concerns or want to complain. we say this is something we can look into. on other things, they have other authorities. caroline: how is your when it comes to companies and when they come to you with complaints about u.s. tech giants? do you feel they are over protectionist or the viewpoint is balanced? some course, it takes
solidity in a complaint for us to start investigating because we need something to go on before we go there. you probably know that, some of the complainants in the first google case are u.s. companies but also active in the european market. that the flag or nationality of the company plays a role. it is a behavior in the marketplace that makes people concerned and sometimes triggers a complaint. caroline: that was the european competition commissioner. on monday, the team will be speaking with howard davies about the political risks out of your. that conversation begins at 5:00 a.m. in new york and 10:00 a.m. in london. this is bloomberg. ♪
caroline: techcrunch is reporting president trump's administration has tapped him as chief technology officer. peter thiel is a supporter and advisor to the president. pandora has extended its deadline for investors to propose changes to its board of directors. the struggling company has been having waning sales. they can use the annual meeting to challenge executives. the looming deadline will pressure stockholders to make any proposal public by march 17. amazon is planning to expand echo offerings. the company is expected to unveil a device that will allow people to initiate phone calls by voice. it will also allow people to talk with others on the opposite end of another electric device. tumbled 26% in the session.
the cloud services company was downgraded by morgan stanley to underway saying sales execution issues and rising costs will hurt the company for several quarters. it went public last september. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." we are back in san francisco next week. we have an exclusive interview with the lead of google's cloud regime learning group. now.is all for live from new york, this is bloomberg. ♪
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." gillian: good evening. i'm gillian tett of the "financial times" filling in for charlie rose. it has been a busy week in the tech industry. shares of snap inc. opened at $24 thursday morning, pricing its initial public offering above the range. the company behind the disappearing photo app went public and evaluation twice as expensive as facebook in 2012. uber, another darling of the tech sector, has suffered from a string of recent scandals,
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