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♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." shannon: good evening. charlie is traveling. i am alison stewart. we begin with politics and another eventful week in washington. the supreme court upheld portions of president trump's travel ban on monday with justices agreeing to hear the full case in october. on tuesday, mitch mcconnell withdrew the senate's health care legislation following growing opposition among conservative party leaders. earlier today, the white house confirmed president trump will meet with russian president vladimir putin next week at the g-20 summit in germany.
joining me from washington is shannon pettypiece, white house correspondent with bloomberg news. a lot went on this week. let's get right to the travel ban. the state department issued new guidelines to embassies and consulates for people flying to come to the united states from six predominantly muslim countries. what are the guidelines saying? what theessentially supreme court said is if you had some sort of connection to the united states, you could be allowed to come into the country if you were one -- from one of these band countries. what a connection means is where the confusion lies and where the interpretation was. the state department said if you have a close relative, a father, mother, a son, in law, you could come to the country despite this band in place. with distant even
relatives, that would not be enough to get you into the country. alison: who will make the determination, when is it going to happen? isnnon: the determination going to be done by the administration, i the state department, border patrol, and homeland security. it will be difficult to challenge it from a lower court because you have the supreme court ruling. now it is up to the administration. that is what the guidelines issued by the state department were saying. alison: the first time this issue came up, civil rights attorneys flooded the airports preparing to help people as they land. what are groups like the aclu and civil rights organizations saying about this? shannon: the prediction is where that was sort of a fast train wreck, this will be more like a slow motion train wreck. there will likely continue to be individual cases that get contested, they get disputed, that play out in the courts. not a broad challenge like we saw in the courts earlier, maybe
more on individual case-by-case basis. alison: let's go on to president trump's tweets today. there is one tweak in particular a lot of people have been talking about and a lot of people have been -- have condemned. abrasivepersonal and tweet against mika brzezinski of msnbc. with democrats and republicans have been critical of this tweet. happen to theten president currently. thate crossed some line the republicans are not supporting him? shannon: after all of the pleas from republicans to dial back president'seven the close friends have been encouraging him to dial back the tweets, he leaned into the cross the line tweets even further with a personal attack on in the that fits right
vein of cyber bullying, essentially saying if you attack me or if you disagree with me, i will come out and personally attack you in your most sensitive places on twitter and make it a public feud. it comes at a time when yesterday we were talking about could republicans and democrats come together and get everybody to unite for health care bills -- for a health care bill because we have real problems in this country with health care. that was the talk yesterday. today, complete division. democrats moving even further away from the president. they thought for a second they would try to work with him. it completely repels them. republicans and members of the president's own party also coming out and saying stop, this is unacceptable, this is not reflective of what the president of the united states should be saying. alison: mr. trump has said abrasive things before. he has not backed down. sometimes it has buoyed in with
his base. how has the base reacted so far? shannon: in surveys, usually around 20% to 30% of people say they like the president's tweets. the vast majority of americans, 60% to 70%, would like to see him stop or dial it back, bring it into the presidential run. have talked to people close to the president about this, they feel there is this sense that he is still the guy you elected. you did not send him to washington and he became a swamp creature in changed -- and changed and started putting out politically correct tweets. he feels he needs to maintain who he is and that often to the two -- authenticity and he cannot do that pivot and shift because it would alienate his base. he has not seen repercussions from the tweets. they did this for years. he is president.
you could say this hurt his agenda by creating distractions. it is also hard to prove that. where is the negative reinforcement to tell him to stop? alison: let's move on to what the president will be doing next week. he will be meeting with russian president vladimir putin at the g 20 summit in germany. do we know what will be on the agenda? shannon: we don't, but this would be a prime moment to bring up russian interference in our elections and the cyber hacking and attacks russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope from the foreign policy immunity in the u.s., for members of college at -- congress, that the president will take opportunity tosay to prison -- putin knock it off, to send a clear signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know if the president will go that far and say that because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue over
russian interference in the election. the feeling of those close to the president is he is concerned it will undermine his presidency if he acknowledges russians played a role in influencing the election. collusion aside. just with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference by the russians could be enough to rattle and delegitimize his presidency, that is the concern. alison: there has been reporting president trump has test the national security council to come up with bargaining chips, something he can bring to the meeting to use. what would something like that be? shannon: one could be syria. desire to try and strike a deal in syria. if we can work out a deal in we could say we will ease off sanctions which congress is working hard to strengthen sanctions. one could be to ease off
sanctions. we could tell russia we will stay out of human rights, we will give you leverage to do what you want in your own country. that is a message that could send a signal to other countries. we won't make a big deal over human rights, give us something else. alison: there has been reporting the president of the n.s.a. are not on the same page when it comes to concessions. what does each side think and where do they disagree? shannon: there are people on different sites and pages of the administration, within in a seat , the state department, rex tillerson, and of course other members of congress have their own views on foreign policy. there are a lot of diverse opinions in the white house. gary cohn on the economic side is a democrat. jared kushner leans to the left.
you have the steve bannon nationalist ideology. you have generals like general mattis who come from a perspective, from the military. there is always butting heads and conflict. at the end of the day, it is trump as president who will make the final decision. it is going to be up to him. alison: how important is next week, the meeting between putin and trump? shannon: i think that week is going to be crucial because this russia cyber threat is real, not only in interfering in our elections but hacking other aspects of the american infrastructure. there are threats of hacks on the banking system, the electric grid. that is a very real threat. obviously, there is a threat from russia after the invasion of crimea and further expansionary visions the russians might have. it is also christian as relations -- crucial as
relations go with nato and other european leaders. at the g7, there were tense moments between germany and france and nato members and the president. this is a chance to repair and rebuild some of those relationships and encourage nato and europe you have a strong ally in the u.s. who is going to be there and defend you against a potential threat from a country like russia. alison: shannon pettypiece reporting from washington for bloomberg news, thank you so much. shannon: thank you. ♪
♪ donald trump's victory in the 20 some of the nation by surprise. his support has remained largely unwavering despite the issues that have plagued his administration. a new special report in "the economist" examines what led to the president's rise and why politics may be forever changed. he is the u.s. editor and also the report's lead author and spent several weeks in states across the country to better understand the mentality of the president's steadfast backing. please welcome him to the program. what prompted this? >> i was interested in looking at the trump phenomenon from the ground up. it feels like and 40 years, people will be saying about the
trump presidency, how did that happen? there is one way to answer that which is to look at the campaign, the tweets, what happened in the white house, what is happening on capitol hill. there is an entirely different way of looking at it from the bottom up, what did trump supporters think they were getting out of this deal? what could he do that would upset them? what are the limits of their support for him? alison: how did you decide where to go into whom to speak? >> i tried to get a mix of places. when we talk about the trump phenomenon in politics, we think .f west virginia, appalachia he didn't do well in those places. he also did really well in some very fancy, upscale parts of new york and manhattan not far where we are filming this. palm beach, near mar-a-lago. the thing that struck me is if you talk to trumpeters in these very different locales, but they
say about the president's are similar. , he say he is a businessman is not a typical politician. he is a good man. the media is being tough on him. you have to give him more time to do what he wants to do. the russian investigation is made up, etc. that kind of consistency of worldview prompted a question for me, which is, if people are not voting on pocketbook issues, they are not really voting on economics it seems to me. what are they voting on? alison: what is his appeal? you finally came to the collusion it is his appeal. what is it? >> i think he has pioneered a kind of white identity politics. it sounds like you are accusing trump supporters of being racist. that is not what i am trying to do. america has become a much less racist country over the last few decades. that support for interracial
marriage, there's a ton of signs of progress. at the same time, politics has become even more racialized. if you look at some of the surveys of trump voters, there is a big study done every presidential year. that, a large majority of people who voted for donald trump say whites in america need to work together to undo laws that are unfair to other whites. if that is not a white identity politics, i do not know what is. alison: that is an interesting phrase, laws that are unfair to whites. what falls under that territory --category? >> i imagine affirmative action. it is consistent with what a lot of sociologists and researchers have found in parts of rural america. land"gers in their own this longing for a time
that is lost when men were on top, when it seemed easier to come out of high school and go straight into a job which you were secure in for life, could afford a car, a family holiday and those sorts of things. trump clearly tapped into that. if you pick that as the limits of trump's support, you miss this upscale trump phenomenon which is to me as interesting. alison: one of the things about the racial issue, white national politics, if you get a group of people of color together they will say it has always been there is just now there is a leader saying it is ok to express that, that this is not something that has on the way or gotten better but for a while it was something you were not allowed to express out loud. did you get any sense they were willing to talk about brown people and black people in a different way? >> people i asked the question to directly were a little
defensive. often, they went out of the way to make the point about how they personally did not hold racist views and so forth. i had a really interesting experience. i was in a town called coleman in north alabama. it is a largely white town, founded by the descendents of german immigrants. most everyone there voted for donald trump. i was talking to the mayor about this. i said, how much of this is about race? he said it does not have anything to do with race. there is this town nearby called colony which is entirely african american and all the folks there voted for donald trump, too. i got straight in my car and headed down the road to colony. colony was fascinating because it was a little town founded after reconstruction at a time when some freed slaves were able to get 40 acres and a mule. not many people got that deal,
but some did. the settlement had been there since the late 19th century. it is an entirely african american small-town. i went around there talking to people about how they viewed politics. they also agreed race was much less of a problem in america. some of them had memories of school being desegregated and so forth, some of the older folks i talked to. almost everyone in colony voted for hillary clinton. there's something interesting going on. america has become less racist on most objective measures, but politics has become more racialized. alison: what do you think is least understood about the devout trump supporter? >> i think the thing that is least understood, i will cheat and say two things. one, i think if you just look at trump rallies and in the 2016 campaign, you might think of
very large men in biker jackets and tattoos shouting "lock her up." the typical trump supporter is a typical republican. 90% of people who voted for mitt romney went on to vote for donald trump. very-town america is a polite, nice place. trump supporters were unfailingly kind and polite. this idea it is some tremendous, angry, upsurge of emotion is not quite right. the second thing, just briefly, people like me who spend their time looking at public policy have a tendency to overestimate how much people know about politics, how closely they are following politics. about 20% it seems of americans follow politics closely. the rest are not paying a lot of attention to what is going on. it is easy to forget that when you are a news junkie like me.
alison: what i thought was interesting and a little sad is many people you talked to did not have a basic understanding about which party stood for what. >> i found this striking. it is the case when you talk to voters often that they jumbled together a load of points of view that do not fit neatly into one party are the other -- or the other and yet there are consistent republicans or democrats. i tried to find out if it was just a few people in my notebook or if that is true, if there's research that backs this up. the national election study says about 30% of people who voted in 2016 cannot place republicans and democrats on the left-right axis. if you say which of these parties is in favor of more spending and which of these parties is in favor of cutting spending, about 30% of voters are not quite sure. a decent number of trump photos
in 2016 thought the democrats were the more conservative party . a not insignificant number of hillary clinton voters also thought democrats were more conservative than republicans. categories i have used as a writer and reporter, they suggest a level of political knowledge which is not entirely accurate. alison: and want to go back to something i am stuck on. the trumpescribe voters as kind and nice, we discussed this. i spent time with trump voters who were lovely people, really cared about the family. as someone who's parents went to segregated schools, and i'm not a dinosaur so it was not that long ago, how do the trump the haze ofe with racism especially around the campaign? >> i think first, they would
deny it. they do not hear the same thing voters with your family's experience or the voters whose parents might have immigrated from elsewhere hear. i think the dial is adjusted differently. they do not think it is fair. they do not think in their personal lives their prejudiced. there is a line of argument that says the civil rights era was a long time ago and shouldn't the playing field be entirely leveled? action some plot against my family and children? alison: they feel the playing field is now a level at their at theirage -- unlevel disaffected, that they are the victimized in some way? >> i think that is right. i think it comes across in race. i think there is a bit of it in gender. one of the things that was surprising about last year's election was held little it was
about gender. large levels of support even among college-educated republican women for donald trump. quite a lot of trump supporters if you look at the survey data man ist is better if a working and a woman is at home. it is a kind of social conservativism, not in an abortion, gay marriage kind of way. the social conservatives. often these are women who themselves are working and do not necessarily want to be. they would rather have a situation where their husbands were being the breadwinner. that is something that fascinated me as well and scrambles your categories a little bit when you go around talking to people. alison: it sounds like you talked to people who were a bit nostalgic. >> i think nostalgia is a huge thing. "make america great again" is an incredibly the static message. it is a surprising message for
me. -- the static message. the first rule of american politics i was told is you need to be the most forward-looking candidate. and then you have this candidate, donald trump, who early on was going around saying america is a hellhole going down fast. the whole appeal of "make america great again," no one is quite specific on when it was great. deeply backward looking, nostalgic appeal. alison: one thing i thought was particular interesting that you pointed out in your piece, to report, was the way people vote depends on their educational level. the more education you have, you tend to be more progressive. the less education, the less progressive. it feels it is a self-perpetuating cycle.
you will have educated folks saying we know better how to run the people then you people without education. people without education say you do not know how it is to live in the world. and it goes around and around. from your conversations, was there anything you could see that would break that cycle? >> as you rightly observe, it is really hard to get out of it. is a political divide is over something like the income tax rate, you can imagine coming to a compromise about that. when a political divide comes about what sort of person are you, it becomes a lot harder to bridge. wasof the things when i di reporting this was spend a lot of time in a well educated district of virginia around arlington, something like 35% of voters have postgraduate degrees and went for hillary clinton by miles. the next day, i spent time in west virginia, the opposite end of the scale.
people with very low levels of education relative to west virginia 8 and big trump supporting territory. and the mutual antipathy you describe is powerful. west virginia 3 is a coal mining place. a lot of people you talk to their think the clinical mining jobs is deliberate we chosen -- declining coal mining jobs is deliberately chosen by the fancy people with postgraduate agrees in virginia. -- degrees in virginia. the level of mistrust bordering on hatred is something that shocked me. alison: there's also a level of not understanding each other coming from both sides because they live different lives. a lot of this is also about proximity, urban versus rural, as much as anything else. >> they do live very different lives. you see that at its most stark in the life expectancy numbers. these two congressional
districts in virginia and west virginia, the average male life expectancy in bits of west virginia 3 is 16.5 years lower than it is in virginia 8 district around arlington. these places are less than 200 miles apart. the difference is extraordinary. alison: something i had not thought about and it was interesting to read in your report was what you described as the california effect. we have all made it new york and the south or the northeast and the south. but there's an important part about the california contingent of the trump administration and trump ethos. can you explain that? >> in the 1990's in california, it was a wrenching time for racial politics. republican party for a certain time tried to play on resentment against the rising latino
minority. there was a lot of politicking around spanish-language in schools and immigration and so forth. at a certain point, the republican party made peace with all of that. but there were a boatload of california conservatives who were losing sight of that argument who took it to washington. the white house is full of california refugees, people like steve bannon who spent time in hollywood as a film producer. stephen miller who works closely with him at the white house. breitbartt of the tendency in the white house seems to have grown up within white, california that did not particularly like the way that and hasanged racially taken the fight nationally. alison: we are talking on a day
when the president of the united states tweeted something very personal about a member of the news media. is there anything president trump can do? does he have any achilles heel with his base? is there anything he could do or say that would shake their support? people i talked to about the tweet often say that we don't really like it, we wish he was more presidential but then qualified that as -- the news media is out to get him. it is a way for him to get his message of ross. we don't really like it but it is part of who he is. he is an unconventional politician. we like that. have made a decision to support a regular candidate, then bend how they view the world to fit. on the left and the right.
i was right -- writing mainly about trump supporters but i think the same thing happens on the left. one of the starkest 's attitudes toward russia. party,tile to russia vladimir putin was a big bogeyman. donald trump gets elected and republican voters have a much more favorable view of vladimir putin and people heading in the opposite direction. both sides do this, i am sorry but that is ever long answer to your question. i was much more struck by the latitude he has and clearly he made the joke about being able to shoot somebody in the street and people would give him, i don't think that is the case. within the realm of normal
could geti think you away with very much anything. gretzky is their guy. that is a more powerful thing. imagine you're a coal miner in west virginia. lots of democrats did not understand why people in coal mining towns in west virginia voted for a billionaire who showed up and said you guys will have your jobs back. democrats look at that and say the president can't do that, he doesn't get to command the world price of coal. coal comes from wyoming these days. natural gaston of from fracking, this is hucksterism. it is so much more powerful to turn up in a town and say i will do the thing that you really want. say you havend initiatives for job retraining and broadband, even though this
might be more helpful, it comes down to political identity, who is on your side. i think donald trump has aging is for convincing people that he is on their side. that is really powerful stuff and politics. >> to you anticipate continued support in the trump administration? do you suspect a reelection? and the rest five months, you have the attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. that is a mess in congress right now. we have a special counsel looking at the white house. we have various promises on building the wall. that ald have thought lot of his supporters would have given up on him by now. that hasn't been the case. there is a bit of movement in the polls. for him, this was a week after
he was inaugurated. my hunch is that people will not desert him. obviously too early to say. arey opinion, people underestimating the ability to get reelected. if you look at the approval ratings, the economy is strong, imagine where it will be in a few years time. i think people are too quick to write him off. there is a power to what he has been able to do which is -- not like something we have seen before in an american president. my concern -- it is something that worries me, it is that it can be more enduring than people think. >> it is called trump's america, is a fascinating read, think so much. -- thank you so much.
nuns who aree frustrated with their situation. here is a look. >> hideout. -- high dad. hi, dad. >> high sweetheart. i, sweetheart. >> is he smiling at you? >> who is that? alessandro, -- they spent on may, they called me a jew. -- they spit on me, they called me a jerk. wake up, let me show you how
blood, do youg think i have ever had this done before? up have the stars here. you are able to apply this to -- there was a class on sexual transgression. >> yes. >> when you first read the story, what made you think i can apply this to film? >> i was blown away by the history of it. inhink that growing up america, we are not familiar with what it is like in the middle ages. the thing that blew me away the most was how the people back in that day were not who they thought they were.
they were not super religious doubts. whether they were the youngest daughter or divorce as more -- divorcee's, spinsters. just, that irony of what we think they are and what they really are, that is the tension that i was wanted to do something with. it was an opportunity and i jumped on it. --is that why middle medieval literature is a raso racy? >> i think picasso was taking and personnel was more humanist. -- fake auraate or of what people were like. i think his whole goal was
taking these people that we assume are these highfalutin religious people and showing that there was an element of hypocrisy and pent-up repression that has been discussed. >> was that your goal? >> yes. >> these nuns i like evil mean girls? >> i guess you could describe them that way. women thatrls and were forced into being nuns back in that day. not everyone that was a nun was religious, they had a lot of pent-up aggression. especially.acter >> she seems pretty salty. >> yes.
i think she sees herself as a sisters, of the other she is definitely a more dominant horse. one of the things that i love and left out loud, in the first 20 seconds of dialogue, the nuns are cursing. was that intentional to hit it right out of the gate? this will be different, prepared? but iie was for laughs think the idea was to make it more colloquial so we identify with these people as opposed to seeing them as something that is more rarefied. when he wrote the book, he wrote it in regular dialect. it was less like a joke and more a way of humanizing these people. there are people speaking with a
british accent and the italian accent, all of these were the wrong choice. >> dave, you have perhaps the most challenging part in the movie. for a good part of it, you don't speak. your character pretends to be a -- deaf death, mute mute. how did you prepare for that? how do you decide you would play that? it was the thing that i was most nervous about. i had several conversations with jeff about because i was nervous that i was going to be sitting doing nothing. ultimately, he had me think about it in a different way where he had me approach this has more of a challenge.
i had to get across all of these emotions without speaking and pretending i can't hear anyone, hopefully that comes across in the reactions on my face. andefinitely was difficult i give jeff a lot of credit. i was wanted to make sure that what i was thinking came across on my face. -- 3 -- all we got from the movie was this. >> did you realize that was the case or did it come to you after wardrobe? >> we didn't have her hearses. -- rehearsals. it just kind of happened. have the actresses with
the greatest eyes. about a clip with you being sister fernandez and we will get a sense of who she is from that. >> what is going on with sister lessandro? >> her dad is probably visiting. he is pathetic. >> just because your dad gives money to the convent doesn't mean you can get anything you want. i walked in on her yesterday as she was staring out of a window for like 10 minutes, probably dreaming about a man to take her away from here. good luck.
so, what was mother moran saying to you earlier? >> nothing, mind your own business. >> how was that for you guys in terms of being in a remote part of tuscany. ? >> it was great. everything felt real. we were walking around the grounds of a 14th century convent that we were shooting in. it was great for acting and for getting into those characters. donkey down the hill , that was a moment where i was like, this is very hard.
those people had to do a lot of crazy stuff. try tot of people will reduce this movie to a raunchy, none comedy. because of the effort that jeff put into make it awesome and historically accurate, it is a beautiful art film disguised as a proxy comedy. i think that adds to the comedy when you are in these beautiful locations that are shot so well. we are playing everything very seriously as opposed to trying to plaintiff the jokes. -- play into the jokes. jeffread somewhere that having a really strong point of view like you to the project. >> that is what you want. you want someone to know exactly what they want. jeff, i don't know how to
describe it, he sees the world in a unique and amazing way. i want to jump on board with those people and i want them to --e me on the germany journey. i'm curious to see if -- see it through his eyes. >> i slept with a woman. >> does a very serious sin. -- that is a very serious sin. put hertimes she would mouth around micex. sex. >> is it considered sodomy if i whilemy mouth on her sex she had her's around mine? >> why would you do that? >> she liked it. >> that was dave franco in the
little hours. he is joining me with aubrey plaza. some people understand that this was an outline of the story you made and it has been described as improvisation. you as a director clearly shaped the direction and the narrative. how does that work if you as a director have an outline of an improv? i think it is a vague, generic term. those ones were people don't know the scene until the end of it, i think my approach is a little more mannered. it did break down what people are saying. it wasn't like one sentence pursing, it spelled out what he's person was saying. i didn't want the actual lines written for them. there is something that feels contrived when actors are forced
to say certain lines. personally try really hard to make the dialogue written in people arethat trailing off and there is overlapping dialogue. i realized a faster way of doing having the actors inspired to say their lines. having a little bit of the unknown added to it and so when they say there lines and responses, they are not anticipating and waiting for finish, i actually have been listening to it instead of waiting. it would be a nice counterpoint to this filmmaking in the beautiful locations. we would generally have three or four takes. we were given suggestions for lines and edit stuff out.
it wasn't the kind of thing where we would throw things on the wall and see what would stick, it was a tool for the dialogue specifically. >> aubrey, what did you learn about this project? learned that there are all different kinds of improv. it is a really different -- it is a different kind of movie and style that i have ever been in before. i learned a lot about how i am in that situation. my owntay rooted in plans for what i came up with for the character but i can collaborate with the director on every scene and try to weave those together and it is a
different kind of process. it was rewarding in different ways than i'm used to. >> what effect does that have on you as actors and the work you do? if you have a limited amount of time and this has to get done. it adds to either a bit of pressure but you try not to think about it. jeff knew what he wanted and he knew what he needed from us and he guided us in a really specific way. andthing that he was doing just bring it back to the improv is in a lot of movies, whether improv, where there is sometimes they go off on tangents. competinge those two elements going on.
you also need to protect your skill and craft and what you are working on, how do you balance the two? say that once we started shooting i was really focusing on being an actor. in preproduction i had different things that i hoped to do some those obvious that needed dialogue. john c reilly wasn't going to improvise a song. i think that eating a producer, taking on people in the film is the crewlike hosting with jeff. we had this group of people in the middle of nowhere. we have these ships afloat and anticipate and think on our feet.
make good choices and take care of everyone. that is the description of what happens on a movie like that. for me it was mostly about but i would help in whatever way i could. setting the tone, taking pictures. i was set photographer for days. >> in the promotion of the film, you guys have embraced some of these criticisms, you took them on as a badge of honor. before you started the film, did you focus as producer and and you and as friends could say this is what we are doing, we know this could have been tony for some people. what were those conversations i? -- mike.
-- like. we had to tell people that it was little hours and not an adaptation of the decameron. even though the book was written some50, it still rumbles feathers in italy. i think it is an important part of their culture and history. i think it is also a little controversial. when it was at is reality check that people would be offended by this. inspectionmore of an expression of what happened in the history of that area. of course, people will choose to not want to look at the past. for me, i think shining a light on it is super interesting. ♪ ♪
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