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♪ emily: i'm emily chang, and this is "best of bloomberg technology." trump'sp, donald meeting with kim jong-un produced a handshake and a promise but was light on detail. what to be some for what is to come? we went to e3 to speak to some of the biggest names in gaming. on the latest trends and how they are keeping up with demand. and london tech week just wrapped up, we will hear about
how the city is shaking up to lure talent and innovation. this week, we saw a historic summit between president trump and kim jong-un. they have agreed to seek complete denuclearization following the summit, and no deadline was set. his arm it has become undefined. we spoke with bloomberg's chief washington correspondent who was on the ground in singapore. >> it was quite remarkable to not see the details of what has been a month-long summit in the making come to fruition. trumpuld know president is now back to the united states. he has been calling his allies around the world including the chinese and japanese leaders. his top diplomat mike pompeo
will be touring north asia to meet with allies to continue to lay out the case. meanwhile, back in the u.s. the fallout continuing, not just from democrats, urging the president to take a more cautious approach to verify whether north korea is actually going to denuclearize. also from republicans. people like senator marco rubio, mccain, kennedy, raising their concerns about how to verify the north korean chairman, as the president is referring to him, kim jong-un for how he plans to , denuclearize. more broadly, the president will need congressional approval if he plans to ease sanctions. no sign of that yet. as you mentioned, the president by all accounts extending an open invitation to kim jong-un to come to the white house and saying this is just the first of many steps to come in a dialogue with north korea. at that marathon press conference, more than 75 minutes president trump took questions, he was more praiseworthy of kim
jong-un then justin trudeau. emily: kevin, thank you. our president trump and kim jong-un still talking? if so, what kind of phone might they be using? according to research from the u.s. cybersecurity form, it is likely being done used with a device by an american company. we are joined by bloomberg tech's julie who wrote about this topic. julie, north korea might not be as disconnected as we think. what kind of devices are available in north korea and who is using them? at least the leaders might not be as disconnected as we think. kim jong-un has been photographed using macbook computers and other devices. this study shows there has been a lots of leaders, they cannot make names and say how many, but
there have been a lot of reports of computers and other devices being used in north korea, which is contrary to what many would believe with sanctions and the way typical north koreans use the internet. it is very state sanctioned, only accessing certain sites and go through in different products. usually not an iphone. this is shocking in that a lot of the leaders are bucking that trend and still getting access to things like the iphone x or samsung galaxy. emily: samsung is interesting given it is in their backyard, and yet their mortal enemy in south korea. how does the use of apple devices compared to samsung? julie: i can't say exactly how many each of them have, but there was a list of devices and there are a lot of samsung devices, various versions. and then everything from the iphone 6 to the iphone x. it has been a lot of new products.
i will say that most of them appeared to be gravitating towards older devices, things running on older software. it does appear maybe the sanctions have gotten tougher before yesterday's meeting and that might have pared back some exports. where maybe kim jong-un does not have access to the iphone x yet. if yesterday went well, like it sounds so far, maybe he will be able to get one. emily: is there concern that some of these products, american products, could be used in cyber espionage? julie: absolutely, that is a big concern. a lot of the espionage might be happening outside mainland north korea, but some of it is, and that is a concern, they could be using software and devices from an american company to do things like cyber espionage and work on these threats to the united states using american products. that is something the report calls out as reason for concern,
although again, if they do in fact go away from all these nuclear plans, denuclearize the nation, that would not be as much of a problem. emily: bloomberg tech's julie verhage. china's restaurant review and delivery giant plans to file for an ipo valued at around $6 billion. the listing would be in hong kong and take place as soon as this month, and is the cities of second multibillion-dollar listing. xiaomismart phone maker plans for their own debut. the smartphone giant could end up being twice as expensive as apple. morgan stanley says they should trade at a premium both morgan stanley and goldman sachs says they could trade for roughly double apple's value.
taking its foray into hollywood one step further with a right in feature films. they say they're close to creating an animated film. joining us from l.a. with the latest is our reporter. know that apple has been in talks with the irish animation studio. and that is quite a well-known animation house that made things like breadwinner. it has received many academy award nominations for their films, very high-caliber. so apple is getting in with a high quality producer of content. we don't know exactly how the but well be distributed know apple has been talking to people in hollywood over the last couple of years to build
out a team to make content and five content for streaming. but it is unclear if this will be part of its apple music streaming service, though that seems unlikely. sense of ahere a shakeup to come in animated movies? ofen the potential exists john lasseter from pixar? this week, we have incredible stew which is on track to do really well. one category of film doing really well is in the animated section. it is not a given. pixar has had flops, not many. but disney is in a weaker position without john because he was a visionary, responsible for the resurrection of disney animation. they had a bit of a checklist. before that.
and he let pixar and that label. now disney is in the works to bring up through its ranks and to lead those two divisions, leaders in their field. we will see how that goes, but clearly there is some change. a lot of work going on in animation. oury: still ahead, conversation with london mayor's and his thoughts on a new study that call london the ai capital of europe. bloomberg news, check us out on the radio, bloomberg.com, and on sirius xm. this is bloomberg. ♪.
processorch payment almost doubled in their trading debut in what has begin the biggest german -- european ipo of the year. companies likeh netflix and spotify for their clients. they are challenging the big banks and credit card issues who have long provided payments for processing in stores and online. and we just wrapped up london tech week, bringing together some of the biggest names in coding and venture capital. bloomberg's caroline hyde kicked off the week with london's mayor. >> this is europe's biggest
festival of tech and innovation and is amazing. a week of events and 250,000 visitors coming from around the world and so much energy and excitement. the great thing about london tech week, it gets bigger and bigger each year. , thosee startups thinking about startups and , those accelerating and the multinationals, interviewers, entrepreneurs innovators, , researchers, all in one place. it is a very exciting ecosystem. this is the future. we can't run away from ai, automation, tech. why? it's out there and would be foolish to do so. and we are going through a fourth industrial revolution. i want to serve the wave. i want us to make the most of the tech sector business. it improves our quality of life. how can tech be used for public services. how can tech be used to create jobs in the future and great
start this morning. >> you talk about riding the wave. interestingly, we still seeing record money coming in to london. but there is slight competition out there. there is a report saying that now paris is the number one destination to put your money. are you worried about that? i'm not complacent. there was also good news. the recent report showed as far as a.i. companies there are more in london than paris and berlin. combined. we are the a.i. capital of europe. also we have seen in relation to , tech investments, still going up post-brexit and look at apple, google, amazon, facebook continuing to invest in london.
i think paris and berlin raising their game is good for us. i see them more as working in collaboration. i think it's really good where if you are a smart web designer in london, you now want to have a partner in paris and berlin. even more important post-brexit, the future is cities working close together, people working close together, rather than national governments, bureaucracy, slowing cumbersome. so i welcome paris and berlin raising their game. >> what about the regulatory environment and welcoming companies such as uber. we know their license is under discussion. do you think that is welcoming to tech companies and how does that conversation continue? i once london to be a place where you want to come if you are a tech startup. if you are an innovator. -- aer you are with an
multinational or with a friend. but here are the rules. regulations must apply whether you are uber or a startup. really important that i support london when it comes to the regulator saying to uber, you are not playing by the rules of the game. i don't know how many lawyers you got or your lobby is, play by the rules of the game. good news? the new global c.e.o. has heeded that message. if you look at the changes they have made, they respect the rules we have. but also, in the end, it benefits. the consumer benefits with better service. uber and other tech companies should benefit because they are doing the responsible thing as well and that will hopefully lead to more profits. i want tech companies coming to london. i want tech companies to help me to provide services cheaper.
but also it's a 21st-century solution to problems we have had for decades. >> do you think we are seeing companies going with the ethics you want to see in london. you are focused on diversity as well as technology. our companies getting that message? >> what is remarkable, they are positive and progressive. but nobody is engage with them. if you are engaged with them, they will do it their own way and see their competitor. i have engaged over the last two years with the coo's. they want to do the right thing. they want to pay minimum wage. and when it comes to the pipeline, they go into deprived communities to make sure they -- there are more women involved. and the good news is that young people and women want to enter the sectors. the reason i am excited about the tech sector for london is they are going to help make sure that parts of our city that
haven't enjoyed the fruits of growth will enjoy the fruits of growth. because actually with the right , training, mentoring and support. anybody can do it. i want people to learn coding. google is doing great stuff with coding for girls. i want to see compasses that are -- campuses that are environmentally friendly. all of my conversations in tech starters, they have the right values and love london. i was looking at research in relation to a.i. companies, the number of founders that are ethnicically diverse is -- for women is remarkable. it shows they have the values and the eat those and my job as a mayor is to give them a helping hand. emily: that was london's mayor with our own caroline hyde. we should mention the mayor's office commissioned the study that suggested that london is the ai capital of europe. hawk, the kitty flying car startup has a taking to the skies.
emily: not too long ago, flying cars were considered far-fetched. but some major players are making it a reality. not just for a few, but potentially for all of us. our editor takes a closer look at kitty hawk's latest flying innovation. no, not a scene from the fifth element or star wars. flying cars, suddenly very real.
airbus is developing single person autonomous flight vehicles. is a chinese junk company attempting to get a flying drone in the air as soon as regulations will allow. it can fly over 11,000 feet. air tech willcts be roaming the skies in 10 years and has even partnered with nasa to develop traffic concepts and sky sports. >> that is part of the identity of the company. >> the company's vision for the network dubbed over air would let users press a button and get high-speed flights around the city. and company just announced another aircraft, the kitty hawk flyer. it has 10 battery-powered impellers and to control sticks and looks like out of "star wars." at first it will go 20 miles per
and will fly 10 feet up in the hour air without a pilot. >> it is a computerized system so that any person can fly. >> no word when it will go on sale or how much it will cost. kitty hawk is also working on another aircraft. all in all, at least dozen companies are pursuing the dream of flying personal aircraft to avoid congested highways. but are we in need of a reality check? to put flying cars in the sky will need a new automatic air control system, years of safety tests and cultural tests with -- acceptance with the idea that these vehicles could be landing right next door. emily: our bloomberg tech senior editor with me now to talk about them. i'm not sure if i'm ready to ride in one of those especially at 11,000. how big is this innovation? >> well look, it's cool.
i would love to write one and they have probably made advancements in lightweight materials and battery technology. drone, butially a they only fly over water and you .an only go 10 feet in the air this is a recreational vehicle. it's not monumental in the way some of these other vehicles are. emily: what about going short distances? >> totally. the flyer. kitty hawk is another car called -- working on another car called the cora which is a air taxi and lots of other companies, airbus are working on the idea that you hover over traffic instead of sitting in it. emily: we saw a bit of your interview a few weeks ago. is this something that over can be competitive or that will change the market for over -- bloomberg -- uber?
>> i least impactful thing. when you look at things they can move on, uber elevates is an idea, not building a vehicle but holding the idea. so i think it's going to be companies like kitty hawk or airbus that are actually making a difference. some of the flying car aficionados say that flying cars will be here faster than self driving cars. give us a reality check. >> i don't believe it. we can look out the window here at pier 3 and saw autonomous test cars. tesla has test cars and that is level three autonomy. the f.a.a. has to look at some of these vehicles. so the idea of these personalized transportation vehicles flying through the air is going to take a long time. emily: talk to us about where regulation stands? >> in a sense, nowhere. the acting administrator of the faa went to uber and said we are going to come to it at a safety perspective.
it takes 10 years to authorize a new aircraft. there are things like the air traffic control system and what kind of airspace you will use that have yet to be figured out. we are at the beginning of what will be an impactful transportation revolution, but it's going to take a long time. emily: our thanks to bloomberg's brownstone -- brad stone. tesla says they will make hundreds of cuts across the company. tesla says the staff reduction will not affect their ability to meet model three production targets, and that no further cuts are plant. , brady your own marshmallows -- bring your own marshmallows and elon musk will supply the flight. -- flame. hundreds are lined up to get the company flamethrowers.
the flame off took place next effect or is and showed off a rocket and prototype tunnel. coming up, the gaming craze upending the industry. fortnight headed to nintendo switch. so how will this impact the maker of mario? we ask their presidents next. and bloomberg is live streaming on twitter, be sure to follow us on tictoc at twitter. this is bloomberg. ♪
emily: welcome back, i'm emily chang. broadcast live from l.a. at the videogame industry's biggest show of the year, the electronic entertainment expo. one company that annually makes a super smash at the event is , yet shares sank after unveiling some new titles almost all of the main content displayed during the show was either announced or leaked in the prior weeks and months including fortnite, pokemon, and a super smash brothers ultimate. the share drop with nintendo to their lowest in september, wiping out all of the market made in eight years. >> nintendo loves to surprise
people. so what that means when we approach an event like e3, we show content from the next six or nine months. no more. we always have more surprises. there is always more in store. so why the analysts reacted the way they did, who knows, but we know from a company perspective, there's a lot more up our sleeves and a lot more we have to show over the weeks and months ahead. emily: tell us the surprises. >> right here, right now. you know for us, we believe , there's a lot more value for the consumer to tell them about content and launch it, just like we did for fortnite. fortnite already has 2 million downloads, specifically on the nintendo switch. emily: wow. >> by driving excitement, we are able to drive the business forward. that is what is most important to us. emily: super smash brothers, fortnite, new pokemon game. which will move the needle the most? we look at it way
is that we had an opportunity here and now to continue driving momentum. fortnight, the october expansion mario partyn -- in december. pokemon launching in november before black friday, and super smash brothers ultimate in december, it is the pacing of news. the pacing of launches that will drive the business forward. emily: let's talk about the online service coming in september. that means it is cloud-based and the network performance of the games that you have been tiling -- trialing have been bad. some players and say it is unplayable. will that improve? >> absolutely. when we do a trial event with mario tennis, we are as much learning about the technical infrastructure as well as the way the game is going to play. you have to expect challenges when you do that. when we launched the game, it is going to perform. just like it did for fornite. emily: let's talk about the switch. you have added some incentives
to make it cheaper for people to buy a second one. are there going to be more incentives? >> those are incentives specifically to the japanese market. so it is not coming to the north american marketplace. this reflects the difference in culture and the difference in living situations across the world. japanese homes, small, typically one tv in a household. for that market, offering an additional sku that takes out hdmi cables and things like that, makes sense. here in the americas, three big tv's for household. for us, selling a fully configured switch into the home is what we are focusing on and we are seeing that happen. we especially expect to see that happen with pokemon, let's go pikachu. emily: there are concerns that the switch cannot carry the torch for both. for both of the three ds and the we-- wii.
what are you doing to make it more attractive? >> let's focus on americas and the u.s. marketplace. in december on our dedicated handheld business grew by 27% year on year. so far this year, our two ds and three ds is up 10% this year. so the switch is not all on its , own. it is getting strong support from a dedicated handheld business in the americas. for us, we want to continue to drive both of those platforms. the dedicated business for 2ds and 3ds is for kids and families to get engaged for the first time potentially in videogames. the nintendo switch will be the game where consumers want to play smash brothers and zelda and these big, epic games. that is what we're looking to do. emily: speaking of epic games, fortnite, pokemon, it is great these games are a success and free to play. how are they going to make money for nintendo? >> the way they get monetized is the consumer buys either a tire or season passes, things of that
nature. as long as those merchandise well, there is a strong process -- profit for us and the developers themselves. is your opinion on the loose and pay to win tactics loot boxes? >> boxes have gotten a bad rep. the game mechanic of buying something that you're not quite sure what is inside is as old as cards for example. what we believe, at nintendo, a gameplay mechanic that offers a consumer something to buy that they are not sure what is inside can be interesting as long as that is not the only way that you can get those items. i think that is where maybe some developers have made some mistakes. for us, it is one of many mechanics that we can use to drive ongoing engagement in the game. emily: tell us about the new president and what might change for you. your new president. >> the president is a veteran of 25 years with the company. what is great about him is he
has had some fairly extensive experience outside of japan and was one of the first financial people that nintendo of america was dealing with back in our early days. he spent 12 years in europe so he has an understanding for the overseas subsidiary. he loves our contact, plays our games. from my perspective, he is a great choice to be our next global president. >> that was nintendo of america president reggie. now the global hit fortnight was the talk of the event. it has become a cultural phenomenon, and while epic games my view reading most of the people are saying the game is benefiting the entire industry. as first-time gamers take to fortnight, they will be looking for other titles and we caught up with. it's a hit, a great thing for the industry to have hits.
fortnight the case of there is some evidence for bringing on board a younger audience, perhaps a female audience. and if people are being introduced to videogames, that's right for all of us. lots of games are coming out soon. have you make sure your games are a winner? focus of our company is on the quality of our titles. red dead redemption is highly anticipated. we have begun to put mash ups in the market place and people seem to love them. preorders are strong and we are feeling really good about "red dead redemption." they're not very many western theme titles in the business. when we released it for the first time, it was that westerns cannot work. and it was a massive hit, sold over 60 million units. we feel really good about it. emily: it is just a few months away, why are you not showing it at e3?
everyone wants to see it. seems like a great opportunity. >> we are not showing any products here. this show for as is a great place to connect with our retail customers, and with industry analysts and investors. our products are widely marketed and people have a sense of them. while we do have consumers at e3 it is not primarily a consumer , show. >> how do you intend to monetize it? >> our focus over a long time is engagement. what we have said over all about releases is we want to give consumers an opportunity not only to fall in love with the product, but to stay in love with it. if we do that, revenues and profits follow and we don't lead with monetization. it is not our primary concern. we are concerned about entertaining and engaging consumers over a long time. emily: i am curious on your thoughts on the latest
controversies. loot boxes and play-to-win tactics. >> i don't believe it is exploitive. entertainment is not a must-have good. we choose to be entertained. the randomization mechanics have been used by us in the past. it is not a mechanic we typically use. we do not have any problem with it however, and i think the bottom line is do your game mechanics fit with your creative offering? if they don't, consumers won't show up. emily: any concern that legislators will crackdown? >> i don't think there is concern in the u.s., maybe in international markets. in the same way that we have your freedom of speech here in the u.s. and in certain international markets we are constrained with what we can do creatively. emily: so you think in europe they could crackdown? >> it is possible one or two countries will have a point of view about what kind of mechanic can be used. i think it would be wrongheaded,
and it hasn't happened yet, but it may. month, theyes, last supreme court struck down a law preventing gambling and sports. you have expressed optimism this could have an impact on e-sports. are you doing things to prepare for legalized e-sports gambling? >> not yet, we are open-minded. we are an entertainment company. we are not a gambling company. it is a different mechanic and business and it requires regulation. i think we would have to think long and hard, but it clearly creates opportunity. emily: that was take two's ceo. thereahead, moves out south korean crypto companies said they had been hacked. we talk about the breach and if the markets can recover after a rough start. and the building blocks of life, did nasa discover them on mars?
emily: a crypto exchange in south korea puts fuel on the fire. it has been down 50% in the last year, and the south korean exchange says some of its currency appears to have been stolen. the exchange did say 2/3 of the assets have been stolen or collected. while investigators are following the rest. this isn't the first time we have seen this attack. the japanese exchange coin check was hit in january. when will these security risks let up? we spoke with bloomberg's a who covers all things cybersecurity along with our bloomberg editor and host of what you missed. hackers compromise the
website for a small south korean crypto currency exchange. it is not a name that would be on the tips of most people tongues and barely ranks with an the top 100 of crypto exchanges. but what happened has a lot of residents with anybody investing in the market, and part of the reason you are seeing this big selloff in terms of aliens in crypto stock. were billions of dollars in value from crypto falling. the reason is this, once a peace of digital currency is stolen, you cannot get it back. it's not like money that can be reimbursed. although some have reimbursed victims. i find it fascinating what crypto currency is, it is a number and digital file you are given and give it to an exchange and that exchange is then hacked, that money is gone for good. you see people running away from the market because of that security risk. emily: i want to put this into
context. showst this chart which the slump in cryptocurrencies over the last six months. joe, how much of this is due to this particular hack, over concerns of crackdown in china, or pessimism from folks like yourself? >> it is a combination of a lot of different things. look, the simplest answer is this is the backside of the euphoria that we saw in 2017 when people were throwing out enormous expectations where the price was going and everybody was talking about it. celebrities were talking about it. and the interesting thing is that if you look from a fundamental standpoint in 2018 and saw ongoing moves whether it's legacy financial companies expanding into the space, upstarts getting more institutionalized, people who have their careers and finance jumping in, some of the news looks really good, but it hasn't
been enough to stem the tide of happens when an asset goes parabolic like this. emily: why are crypto currencies so difficult to secure? you would think they would be less vulnerable to fraud because they are trackable. >> you would. part of the problem as i said earlier, one of the difficult parts about handling virtual currencies or digital currencies and protecting them is that it is simply a file, simply a number. it is a unique number assigned to a particular individual and the value of their digital currency. if you think of all the massive data hacks we have seen the data flying out of companies as a result of hacks, if you inflate -- replace those data, whether it is emails or whatever, with a bitcoin that could be worth
thousands or millions of dollars, what you get is the perfect target for these hacking attacks. and when the criminals make off with their bounty, it is a file becomesbers that then tens of millions of dollars. they are hard to protect because they are small discrete piece of data because once you lose it, they are gone. emily: and yet there are big , banks experimenting with this. some more than experimenting. do you see this becoming a legitimate currency that is backed by a global financial system if some of these hiccups and issues are worked out? >> it's possible, but something that i think is really important is that the hiccups that you mention and that jordan described are both the vulnerability of currencies and arguably the selling point. if you think about it, what is the case to use a cryptocurrency as opposed to traditional currency? it is the implicit promise nobody can seize it from you or
spend it with and nobody can tell you that you can't move it from one country to another circumventing capital control, these are all the things that are theoretically what makes bitcoin or other currencies appealing to people. and so the flip side has to be measure of some irreverse built. -- irreversibility. you couldn't have a guarantee that you can do the transaction if there was a third party that could say we are going to reverse that transaction or you are not allowed to. as long as the currency is designed for this purpose, there will never be a day where i don't think there is a risk of hacks and mistakes that result in permanent loss of funds. emily: jordan, it's not just about cryptocurrency, it's about the blockchain in general which so many people are heralding the
future of. not necessarily when it comes to bitcoin, but blockchain technology to revolutionize the rest of the internet. do you think there is more optimism there outside of the specific market? >> sure, yeah. but the underlying technology for these digital technologies the blockchain has some unique and interesting properties that and otherig banks organizations are trying to tap and it has become a joke. one of the things i find amusing about these facts, if there is anything amusing, is that when this money is stolen as a result of the blockchain and the transparency that joe talked about, you can see where the money is. some of thelike if rock your bank account and held it in front of your face. you can identify all of these stolen bitcoin and digital currencies, you don't know who is behind it. that is a feature of the block
chain and of the technology undergirding these digital currencies. you can see it, you can revoke those coins, block them or freeze them. there is a lot more transparency in that system than the traditional banking system and that is a good thing that companies can put to use. emily: that was bloomberg technology is a jordan robertson and bloomberg's joe weisenthal. coming up, nasa's curiosity rover may have made its most significant discovery yet. what this means for finding life on mars. this is bloomberg. ♪
what could be the foundation for life on the red planet. have beenlecules found on the three and a half billion-year-old bedrock. elon musk maybe trying to colonize mars now, but nasa says chances of finding life have just going up. to tell us more about this discovery, we spoke to a bio geochemist from nasa and lead author of the study on these findings. >> essentially found organic matter from rocks on an old lake from mars. that lake was around 3.5 billion years ago. the planet was a lot different and we have other clues that tell us there was water and nutrients around an energy sources around. and now we have evidence of organic material. everything that life would need to be happy was there. we just don't know if there was life. the organic materials that we found could be from life or perhaps they were possible food for life when the lake was around.
either way, it bodes well for the search for life going forward. emily: let's take it one step further. is it possible that some form of life still exists there? does this give you any information about that? >> well, we're not sure if life ever existed. if life established, it was early on in mars' history as life was established on early earth. at that point, the two planets were very similar. mars took a different path. they lost its magnetic field and the atmosphere was swept away and radiation began hitting the surface. it change the planet significantly. and earth developed a really diverse bioatmosphere and mars if it ever had life probably lost its biosphere.
there are some who think it would've taken refuge in the subsurface, but there are other scientists who think the mars biosphere is burnt out. the curiosity rover has been taking samples for five years now, and i know this gives you new details on where and how to look, but what is next? well, the next step is to look for those bio signatures, imprints from life. imagine a dinosaur leaving a fossil behind in the wellof a skeleton, microorganisms can leave behind chemical imprints of their existence and possibly even cell structures. wese are the kinds of things would look for in the ancient indicators of whether or not like used to it. there are two missions in the works that can shed light on this. the first one is from the european space agency and will launch in 2020, and it has the
capability of drilling down two meters, a really important technological developments because that means they can get , away from the radiation and have the potential to get to muchic materials that are better preserved. is one by nasaon and it can2020 rover attach samples and bring them back to earth for further analysis. and both of those could tell us a lot more whether life existed on mars and the potential for life to exist there today. emily: nasa is looking for life in the solar system outside of mars. if it is somewhere else, what is most likely? >> it is anybody's guess. mars subsurface to look for more -- it was a good look place to look for more recent life. on other places, two really appealing places are ocean world, we call them and a small moon that goes around saturn and
the other one is the europa. both have oceans underneath an icy crust and possible those oceans have something similar to what we imagine as the micro biology, hydro thermal vents in the ocean here on earth. that ocean water could have signatures of life in it, modern-day cells or old material, but things that would tell us if there had been life there and if we could access that ocean material, we could do a pretty good search for life. if that's the case, it might be a life that evolved independent of earth, which would be pretty fascinating for i think everyone in general. but certainly besides community. emily: that was a nasa's jennifer. and that does it for this edition of the best of bloomberg technology. each day, 5 p.m. in new york, 2:00 p.m. san francisco.
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