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good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. we have a number of interesting conversations and product demos coming out of the code conference last night. jon fortt will join us with the details. first the morning's other top stories. there are three trading days left in may. stocks are now on a four-day winning streak. the s&p 500 and the dow transports closed at record highs yesterday. the nasdaq had its best day in two weeks to close at an eight-week high. we've been watching the futures this morning after all of that. you can see they are indicated higher once again. dow futures indicated up by 31 points. s&p up by 3 points and the nasdaq up by 6.5. when ire talking about the bond market, rates remain incredibly low. the yield on the ten-year right now sitting at 2.5%. there are two bond sales that are set for today. treasury will be auctioning $13 billion and floating rate two-year notes and $35 billion
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in five-year notes and we'll be watching the price of gold today as well. the precious metal dropping 2% yesterday. that was the worst day in six weeks. you can see right now it's trading at $1,264.70 an ounce. andrew, over to you. >> thank you, becky. welcome back. we have corporate news, tech news, talking about re/code. general electric ceo jeff immelt is in france, meeting with president hollande, also with the country's economic minister to discuss ge's bid for alstom. an official in hollande's office says ge has improved its offer for the french train and turbine maker. the comments could suggest a change. this could be a change for the first time for the french government which until now has been critical of ge's bid. we will see where all of that heads. in other european news, this morning, the uk's fraud office launched a formal criminal investigation into glaxo
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smithkline amid claims of foreign bribery. the company faces claims in china and four other countries. we've talked about this before. a couple weeks ago, chinese police said investigation there found evidence of an elaborate scheme to bribe doctors and hospitals. we'll have more from london in a couple minutes. facebook seeking an eu antitrust review of its $19 billion wh billi billion whatsapp purchase. the deal could help facebook avoid national probes, joe. >> whatsapp! >> facebook, did you see gwyneth paltrow's comments at the re/code conference about facebook last night? >> no. >> nobody's paying attention to what gwyneth paltrow would be saying at re/code except when you think about how facebook started, it started as a what's hot and what's not. people would rate the looks of celebrities -- >> it was college kids, what
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have you and how the internet has grown up. >> all i want tell you about gowyneth paltrow was that i was listening last week on sirius and cold play, may 5th, cinco de mayo had a big concert in new york at the -- what's the place where everyone plays, the ball room or wherever it is? >> the beacon. >> the beacon. i listened to it. >> yes. >> for minutes on minutes. i was -- i like cold play. >> this is an admission. >> yes. >> welcome to the club. welcome. >> i listened to like six or seven, maybe eight songs. i was like, these guys are phenomenal. >> you just like them because -- >> for some reason i like him more now that he shook off
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that -- >> to bring you into the full loop -- >> tell me. >> -- according to some reports yesterday he may be trying to consciously recouple. sorry. >> with her? >> with her. if you focus on the gossip reports, they are saying contemplating this and she may be open to it as well. >> she is him. does he write the songs? >> yes, he does write the songs. >> it's all him. they are tight. good band. i think he might be a genius, a musical genius. that's probably what she found so attractive. i might trade in my man crush on henrik lundqvist for chris -- what's his name -- martin. >> chris martin. >> valeant raised its cash portion by $10. >> they did. >> improving it by 10%. >> 22% increase, that's a good
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deal. >> in the cash part. >> the total doesn't go up, does it? the new offer is 58.30, up $10 from the prior offer. it includes a greater value in the noncash portion of the bid. >> you have to believe in the stock then. >> val and is the holding a public investor meeting in new york today. i would have to say, just in reading commentary and listening to commentary, that it kind of shifted back to where allergan has been the company that people say they built that from the ground up where valeant -- it's just a big rollup. >> that's what it is. >> it's a tax deal. >> and they cut costs as they come in, they cut r & d when they come in. >> if it doesn't go through and allergan stock drops back and ackman makes no money you'll have to take back everything you said about it being front running and crooked and it's too easy. maybe it's not. he could lose, he'd be in the same position as pfizer or something like that, where it didn't work. >> except he could have sold if he wanted to. >> i don't think he could.
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>> legally he could. >> i thought the deal that he struck with them -- >> in the deal he struck with valeant he can't. legally, anyone, this is a larger policy thing, not necessarily about glaxo smithkline. >> not in this particular deal. >> can i ask you a question? >> you can. >> the market hit another new high yesterday. i am now asking who has been waiting longer, the people that have been waiting for the correction or the people that have been waiting for the ten-year to go up? >> the yield. >> and is it related? >> i think it is related. i think it is related. >> we have a new list of clowns in the past month or two. they waited, they waited, they waited, they waited. okay now. why? you're never going to be right about it. it's going to happen when you're saying no. when you finally say -- >> you have to let it go.
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if you're looking as a long-time investor, let it go. >> in the meantime, nestle -- >> you missed my mispronunciation yesterday. >> i just need to say that now. i will end up -- someone will say, see? nestle announcing it is buying the rights of several dermatology products. >> dermatology. >> from valeant from -- >> i'm not making fun of you. i'm making fun of the generic bad prompter reader. i really wasn't. val and the for 1.4 billion in cash. the swiss food giant looking to boost its skin care business. in other drug news, sanofi and
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eli lilly pursue cialis over-the-counter approval. it has recorded total sales of more than 14 billion since its launch in 2002. if you watch the commercials now, they're very strange to me. it used to be, you know, there would be two people in an individual hot tub and they'd be gone. it looked like they'd be in the privacy of their own home. now a guy makes a putt and they put the flag back in and they look at each other and it's like -- ♪ where did they go? next to the bunker? in this rain shelter? >> i have not seen these ads. >> they're out in public. i'm like what are they saying here? they're basically saying you're ready any time. >> you have a particular interest in this topic. >> no, i don't. the golf course. for you it's a plane. they should shoot it in the first class cabin. they look at each other, right?
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then you see the occupied thing. >> right. i like that. good idea. >> oh, boy. >> watch for those, though. it's not just the golf course. they're at a mall. then they look at each other and it's like -- i'm not going to touch anything anymore in public places. >> anywhere. >> i can't believe you finally -- eight songs i listened to. >> you told me to come on. and now i think it's finally come around. >> people like him again. >> he grew a spine, grew a backbone. >> what happens if they consciously couple? >> it's too late for me. >> i've said it. >> this will last forever. >> good. you're stuck and you're in this position. we're going to remember this. >> a familiar face is on its way back to pimco.
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>> that the not him. >> down from the mountain top. >> the bearded version. >> long hair. >> he was going to get his haircut on our air at one point. i forget what happened with the logistics. >> he looks like a yogi. >> this is a newly created role for paul. >> stability. >> bring back familiar faces. >> bring back a guy who left, grew his hair down to his waist and went off to a mountain somewhere. >> what would happen if you were off the air for a while. >> i'd be listening to cold play. >> toll brothers says its quarterly profit more than doubled. revenue rose more than 67% as the nation's largest luxury home builder sold more homes at higher prices.
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toll brothers stock is up by 1.25%. >> let's get out to california this morning where the code conference is taking place. jon fortt joins us. he has a look at everything from google's driverless cars and the new brand for the pc. >> it's 3:00 a.m. here. good morning. gwyneth paltrow, i'm going to say it, she rambled. people found her message important about being more sensitive on the internet but she did ramble. let's talk about satya nadella, microsoft ceo had his first time in a hot seat in an interview on stage. comported himself well. he showed off skype translate, it does realtime translation between languages, the head of the communication division spoke in english with someone on the other end speaking in german.
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satya nadella had this to say about bill gates' return to a day-to-day role at microsoft. listen. >> i think of bill's presence, bill's sort of push, high standards, is helpful. at the end the day, there's no confusion, i run the place, i'm the ceo. i'm responsible for it and bill's helping. >> and make no mistake, also he wasn't going to divulge too much about operational plans, even about strategic plans but when asked about whether he needs to buy something big, he did say not so much about buying, it's about what microsoft itself is going to do. take a listen to that. >> i think we have to build something big. if along the way we have to buy things, that's fine but we have to build something big. we build, i'd say, three big things, and you can say 3 1/2 if
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you add xbox into it. and it's time for us to build the next big thing. >> well, a lot of people would agree with him. sergei brynn took the stage a little later after gwyneth. he was a bit looser. wore a t-shirt and crocs. he talked about driverless cars. before he got to that, he talked about the nsa revelations. he had this to say. >> the most noted revelations were a huge disappointment to me and obviously to the world as a whole. i think -- i think from my perspective, if you go back to the cold war when presumably the nsa was spying on a relatively small number of people, you know, soviet, whatever generals and various communist party officials and so forth, and as a
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consequence, protecting us from nuclear annihilation, that's one kind of balance. i think the balance looks different. >> he notably got kara swisher to put on a pair of google glass, something she said she didn't want them on her face. he also agreed with kara, he could make a good bond villain. the driverless car, this is one google itself has designed. google had help. sergey brin explains that. listen. >> we worked with partners in the detroit area, germany and california. we used automotive suppliers. this is using car parts that are standard but sometimes we'd modified them to our needs. >> how about the whole body? >> yes, we've worked with partners, auto manufacturing firms that have helped us with the body. >> unless you live in
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mountainview, don't expect to see those cars going down the street anytime soon. they pretty much tested them in parking lots up to this point. these things have no steering wheels, no pedals. it's kind of like a ski lift experience except it's completely enclosed. brin says they'll be really safe because of the way they're designed just for people and they even talk about impact scenarios. you wouldn't want to get hit in these. they only go 25 miles per hour, guys. >> john, stay where you are. i want to bring somebody else into the conversation and get your perspective on more of this as well. good morning to you as well. i want to talk google cars for just one second if you'd indulge me. what i don't understand about this, john jump in as well on this conversation, is this idea that the reason that they're moving towards these cars without steering wheels is that people who actually -- cars that do have steering wheels are less safe and i wonder whether this is a step back or truly a step
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forward since it doesn't sound like we're going to have driverless cars in five years the way google had been talking about just several months ago. >> i think if you look at driverless cars, you have to look at the rate in terms of driving in the united states. arguably we're losing tens of thousands of people per year in terms of unsafe driving. having vehicles that potentially are controlled remotely, have greater controls over them, obviously it's anatheciccal to the idea of mobility. there's an argument to be made for it. the other point to be made here is the fact that google car is the idea behind it, it's not individually owned. it's owned by a third party. these are vehicles that are always in operation and from that standpoint, if we look at the individual car, it's typically not used, probably 95% of the time. if you're actually looking at capacity utilization, far more efficient from a social
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standpoint to have these types of vehicles running around rather than have individuals owning their own car. >> is this a step forward or step back? it doesn't sound to me like you'll see these cars on the road anytime soon. >> no. i wouldn't say that this is a replacement for the type of car that's just a regular car that has google's technology bolted on to it. i think sergei was talking about this as a matter of convenience. mentioned an old lady at a bus stop who misses the bus. in the future at some point, she might be able to call one of these cars to pick her up, take her where she wants to go, based on the coordinates plugged into a phone. maybe google would run this, dispatch or uber. brin says he expects to contract the dispatch part out to someone else at some point. also about design, google's able to design this car more tightly because the technology is built in more essentially. >> let's flip the conversation
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over to microsoft for a second. we saw the new ceo of the company at re/code for the first time, talking about this new skype program. i've seen it demo. were you impressed? >> certainly. >> i was impressed, yes. >> the fact that you have -- machine translate 40 languages to each other. doing it with live speech is a different order of complexity. to the extent that, you no know, microsoft is rolling this out, it wouldn't be a stretch to see them have an app or something like that rolled on to windows powered smartphones as well. maybe 2015, 2016. this is an interesting -- it indicates that microsoft is doing interesting things in terms of technology despite what people say. >> is there a way to make -- >> the translation -- >> go ahead, john. >> the translation wasn't absolutely perfect. the german speakers in the
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audience said it was pretty good, okay for casual conversation. you probably couldn't close a business deal using this. and microsoft also said the acoustics, the sound from the microphone is important to making this work. satya nadella says he expects this to be everywhere the skype app is. it might be limited at first with the sound quality. >> it seems like it's a business product more than a consumer product. >> i think it has applications in both areas. to the extent they get it more perfect in terms of the translation becomes more suitable to the business market. >> right. john, there was a comment apparently satya was asked about nokia, whether this was a good deal and dodged the question. what happened? >> well, he was asked actually whether he agreed with the nokia acquisition at the time. when it happened. he said i'm not going to answer that. there was a bit of a laugh in the room. it seemed obviously he didn't
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agree with it at the time or he would have said, well, sure, i thought it was a good idea. he went on to explain what the logic behind it was and what his plans for nokia would be. he's stuck with it now one way or the other. >> were people impressed with him or no? >> i would say people felt like he was kind of in the tim cook mode of not saying that much overall. you know, this is a ceo who's on the public stage for the first time. i think he's in a tough spot, right? he can't blame the previous guy, that's ballmer, the individual share holder in microsoft right now. he can't blame the guy before that. that's bill gates who's back to a day-to-day roll and an iconic figure. he couldn't blame his predecessors. he talked about what he wanted to do with the future. he squirmed a little bit. if you're not a founder and you're on this stage for that amount of time, you're going to end up squirming. >> thank you so much for your perspective this morning.
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also mr. ballmer, trying to buy the clippers. met with mrs. sterling the past couple days. we'll see whether he ends up owning that team. >> this one congressman got defeated. >> in texas? >> yes. >> 91. >> he was the oldest serving in our congress. >> in two years he's going to rerun. i don't know if he's going to do that. god bless him. didn't that the give you hope? >> yes. >> you don't need to have hope yet. 91 is the new 81. >> which is the new 65. >> i keep coming down and down and down. >> i older we get, the more kindly we look at all these ages. within we come back as andrew mentioned, a group of well-known investors are said to plan a join the bid for the clippers. we'll talk more about that. hockey news, montreal is
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still alive in the nhl's eastern conference finals. the canadiens beating the new york rangers 7-4 last night. >> still alive. >> the rangers will host game six tomorrow. the rangers i think were on the cover of "sports illustrated," too. >> oh, perfect. >> there's the kiss of death for you. mine was earned in korea in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation.
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they plan to submit a join the bid for the los angeles clippers. the group includes oprah winfrey, magic johnson and oracle ceo larry ellison. the bids due by the end of tomorrow. a decision could be made by the end of the week. mr. ballmer, also trying to get in on that action. on the topic of sports, check out this video. rapper 50 cent threw out the first pitch of the mets game and threw the ball almost sideways, at least ten feet wide of the plate. wow. i can't claim to be a great athlete. i kind of think i could get closer. i kind of think i could get closer. >> i think he's kidding, isn't he? he's a strong, athletic guy.
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he's a ripped dude. >> just because you're ripped doesn't mean you're athletic. >> i don't think i could get it to the plate. >> i think i could do it. if i was allowed to lob it i could get it there. >> if you aim at the glove it's going to be short. >> on the grounded. >> what happened there? >> i don't know. i'm not going to say anything. >> i think i have a picture mccauley. >> paul? from the mountain picture? >> drum roll, please. >> this is your new chief economist. >> been a lot of flux. for stability, they're bringing back mccauley. >> we have bob bowles coming up here. >> bowlesby. >> you got it or not. >> no. >> while we're waiting to are that, let's talk about the u.s. chamber of commerce. here it is. i think that's really him, too.
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>> we got it. he went from that other shot to that. no word yet on whether he's goi going. >> de niro had to make a movie about his father, a documentary. because it was his duty, his responsibility. why? >> because he can. >> i'd make a film about this. >> i'd make one, too. >> all of us could make a film about our father. just because he memorizes lines for a living. >> i think it's a good thing. if you could, you would, too. >> the one funny joke the guy at the white house correspondents dinner said, you see how he answers his phone? "i'll do it!" >> talking about some of the roles he's taken on recently.
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i appreciate somebody can take this a little less serious. >> the meet the fockers thing. >> i remember when they were talking about that. was it fun doing it? >> no, no, no. >> is that what he said? >> one of the comedies where it was just no, no, no. >> all of us have to -- >> he had to make this -- he had to was his responsibility. i'm going to start working on this. all of our fathers aren't deserving? >> they are. >> the difference is he can make a film about his father. >> he believes that. he's memorized lines for a living. because his father produced him. >> mean while, back to people who actually work. the u.s. chamber of commerce is planning an upcoming trip to cuba and the senate foreign relations committee chairman says it's a bad idea. bob menendez argues that cuba isn't an attractive investment opportunity because the
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government jails foreign business leaders and breaks international labor standards. he's questioning why the chamber would engage with the controlling government that controls almost all of the country's economic activity. chamber head, tom donahue will be meeting with entrepreneurs, officials and university students. business executives will accompany him. >> okay. coming up, upbeat economic data giving the bulls another boost to start their holiday shortened week. we'll start talking about that and the market test just ahead. and then later, the man responsible for running the big 12. he'll talk to us about college athletics. from meal allowances to medical care. first, though, take a look at yesterday's winners and losers.
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welcome back, everybody. stocks are on a four-day winning streak with the s&p closing at a record high. joining us right now from the cme, j.j. kennihan. on set chris rupke. gentlemen, welcome to both of
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you. j.j., explain what you think has been happening in terms of the stock increases we continue to see. >> i think it's a combination of things, becky. the first one being the economic numbers have been not great but good. combine that with the fact that the fed has had some language that's encourage people that they're still going to be there to support things, then along with that, you saw a little bit of a rollover in that it's a bit of a chase for yield. if you think back four or five years ago, how this whole thing got started with the market increasing so much, if that you're seeing folks going for the lower beta varieties in ge, cisco-type stocks that pay yields between 4.3 and 4.25%. when you have a ten-year yield at 2.5%. they rolled out of the russell, the higher beta or many would say riskier stocks into these stocks that are considered more stalwarts, i guess, to get the yield from it. that's helping us continue higher. >> this is interesting. joe brought this point up in the
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last half hour. just the idea that stocks continue to push higher which is befuddled a lot of people but also that the ten-year is still yielding just about 2.5%. you sound like there's a connection between the two. stocks are pushing higher because of the ten-year being so low, the yield? >> i think it's taken people by surprise. keep in mind when we started all this talk about that the fed will taper, the ten-year yield was 2.87. we think back about six months ago, i think it was taken for granted that we'll be between 3.25 and 3.5 by this time on the ten-year yield. you didn't hear anybody saying i think the ten-year is going back down to 2.5. >> right. >> i think that's a big part of it. >> chris, what do you expect out of the economy? are things go inge to continue to improve? >> things look pretty good from where i sit. the fed's own indicator, industrial production, they produce it. it is another measure of output in the economy. like gdp. it's at an all-time record high.
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sometimes i don't like the characterization that the fed does now. in a way they're jaw boning, right? if they say the economy is strong, then long-term rates move up. and that's what they don't want. but too many things out there are good to suggest there's that much slack in the economy, looking at the unemployment rate. >> why do we have 2.5%? it can't be just job owning? >> no, i know. there's a couple different stories. you can treat either the slack economy looking at the unemployment rate or 2% gdp. that's not 3%. or you can look at all these other indicators, retail sales, record highs, private nonfarm payroll jobs, record highs. durable goods orders yesterday. it came down from record highs. i mean, business capital spending is back. so one of the differences gdp isn't 3% something instead of 2% is government spending, maybe a half there. in the late '90s government was adding half a percentage point
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to gdp. >> where do you think the ten-year will be at the end of the year? >> higher, higher. i've been saying that for a long time. >> higher. >> we are surprised it broke below 2.6. i think the fed and the market -- >> the fed is still buying so much of it even though they keep tapering. >> they are. maybe that will push up yields a little bit. don't forget the time they have to hike rates the first time, it's coming forward. it's somewhere in the middle of next year. that eventually will push up ten-year treasury yields above 3%. >> you think it will be above 3% by the end of this year. >> certainly, sure. >> j.j., what are you doing if you're looking at the stock market and thinking, wow, i missed the move, i'm waiting for the pull back, the correction. >> one of the things that's interesting here, becky, one of the ways people can hedge themselves if they are going in
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is vix. we talk about it a lot when i'm on, volatility is at such a low level. it's like it went from spring break right into summer vacation. it keeps going away. but with that being said, the last time we were this low, last two times actually, the vix almost double the within the next three weeks. i think that's something we have to keep our on eye overall. volatility at some point should come back into the market. if you look at risk reward, that's something people can look at right now, how much down side there is to up side. with that, those that are long stocks, we're seeing more retail clients going out and using those types of products to hedge their overall positions. because it's so funny to me when i look at this rally. everybody i talked to who is short is confident in their position. they're like this is a great position. everybody who is long is nervous, even though they made money over the last six months if you will. while the shorts keep losing money. they think they have the greatest position of all time. >> that is an interesting point. thank you for joining us and
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chris, thanks for coming in. >> always a pleasure. >> i think that means it's going higher. >> yes. coming up, edward snowden speaks out in an nbc news exclusive. >> with brian williams. it's interesting. and a vocal advocate of ncaa reform, the big 12 dmigser joins us to talk about everything from increased power for the most prominent conferences to paying student athletes. first as we head to break, a quick check on the dollar. >> and a little more cold play.
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we're hearing from edward snowden today in an nbc news exclusive, living in exile in russia. snowden talked to brian williams about what he did for the government, how he describes his job, traning and career right up until he put an end to it. here's a piece of that conversation. >> were you trained as a spy? it seems to me spies probably look a lot more like ed snowden and a lot less than james bond these days. >> it's no secret that the u.s. tends to get more and better intelligence out of computers nowadays than they do out of people. i was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word, in that i lived and worked undercover overseas, pretending to work in a job that i'm not and even being assigned a name that was not mine. but i am a technical specialist. i am a technical expert. i don't work with people. i don't recruit agents.
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what i do is i put systems to work for the united states. and i've done that the aall levels from the bottom on the ground all the way to the top. now, the government might deny these things, might frame it in certain ways and say you know, he's a low-level analyst. but what they're trying to do is they're trying to use one position that i've had in a career here or there to distract from the totality of my experience. which is that i've worked for the central intelligence agency undercover, overseas. i've worked for the national security agency undercover, overseas and i've worked for the defense intelligence agency as a lecturer at the joint counterintelligence training acadmy where i developed sources and methods for keeping our information and people secure in the most hostile and dangerous environments around the world. so when they say i'm a low-level systems administrator that i don't know what i'm talking about, i'd say it's somewhat misleading. >> you can watch the entire conversation with brian williams
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with snowden. that's going to air tonight on nbc at 10:00 eastern time. i am looking forward to it. >> that was a little weird. i am important, pay attention to me. >> that seemed defensive. i was there developing systems to make sure they didn't fall into the wrong hands. thanks, edward. you did a hell of a job with that hold your head up proud. >> he's a polarizing figure to say the least. >> but why so -- you know -- well, i'm not low level. >> what do you want him to say? >> i want him to say i'm going to come home and face the music. >> i don't think he's going to say that. i don't think he's coming home to face the music. >> he does want to come home. >> he says that but i don't think he want to face the music. i don't think he's going to face the music. >> do you one day he'll be pardoned, 25, 30 years from now? >> i don't think about him. >> do you think he'll be living
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in exile for the rest of his life? >> i don't have an opinion one way or another. a major debate of college athlet athletics, on and off campus, with millions of dollars at stake here. we'll talk reform with the big 12 commissioner right after this. at the top of the hour, we'll check in with byron wien and see how his 2014 forecasts are vying so far. stay tuned. "squawk box" will be right back. she keeps you on your toes.
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you go to the training meal, the last meal, you're not hungry. you can't take food to your room. why? why couldn't ipeople, you're no hungry. you can't take the food to your room. that's all changing. >> chicago coach john calipari on "squawk box" talking about forms many say are needed. joining us is the commissioner for the big 12. good morning, thank you for joining us and we're doing some work trying to prepare for what you are going to tell us. it's so daunting to try to level the playing field and, you know there is such big money. we see it. we work here at the network. i know what these things work, i don't know the way forward, do you have a blue prevent for the for the way forward? >> i wish i had a blue print for
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the way forward. it's a collaborative poempblt a lot of people had their hands on the orrs. change is required, change in how we manage the concept of intercollegiate athletics in higher education. i think it reflects a changing involve nant with student athletes. the world has changed. a lot of aspects office how intercollegiates operates hasn't changed with it. this is long overdue t. high visibility conferences of which i'm one of the commissioners we are only 65 votes of 350 division 1 members. so it's been a little difficult for us to be able to make change. >> when we talked intercollegiate athletes, we're really talking football and basketball. i mean, they basically subsidize everything else, don't they? >> well, that's true, but, you know, you apply any form of the
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labor theory of value, all student athletes work hard. there are certainly athletes that exert themselves at higher levels than football and basketball players. so if you -- they certainly do have the blessings of an adoreing public and that's where the majority of the revenue is generated. >> big money. big money. >> that's true. >> then you think of what is your analysis on the low cost colleges versus the high cost colleges. >> the low cost colleges have all that money to spend on recruitment, right? it's much easier to get a great team going it seems like at a school that is not so great? >> well, having just come off of six years at stamford university, i disagree with that. but your point is certainly valid and there are some places where it costs more money to fund the athletics program by virtue of the city in which it reside or by virtue of the cost
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of the university and i think all of us can acknowledge there are expenses that go beyond room, board, books, tuition and fees, which has been the traditional scholarship for many decades and so that's one of the many things we're looking at in terms of how do we go about implementing and activating around this new covenant with student athletes? >> student athletes. just that term. because, right, i mean, the real high level athletes that really i don't know how often of their time is spent on athletics and aren't we really sort of just, it's idyllic and it's a throwback to win one for the gipper and all that stuff and college spirit. but it's just not like that. they're not -- they might be sturnts, but they're really almost professional athletes. >> well, pick up a 1927 new york times and you'll see the
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presidents need to get control. the athletes are not real students. there is too much money in it. >> that is the "time's," though. they whine and you didn't expect that would have changed over the past. >> perhaps a bad example if terms of my choice of newspapers. my point is that the dialogue on it hasn't changed much over the years, but it needs to. and this is about higher education. only 11st of all student athletes even at the highest playing levels ever have a chance to be drafted into one of the professional leagues and less than .5% make it to a level where they're getting a paycheck. so this is really about helping 18-year-old adolescents become 22-year-old adults and at the same time, get a good education and have an opportunity for an extended and a high quality athletic experience. >> in reality, what does that reform look like, though? what would you envision?
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>> you know, there has been a lot of talk about the cost of attendance, the devil is in the details. at some institutions, the cost of attendance is $5,000 above room, board, books, fees. at other institutions, it's $1,500. in a highly competitive environment we have things to work through. i think all of us agree there is more to going to college than just basic educational expenses and so i think through the provision of benefits and through the provision of incidental expens payments that there is an opportunity to improve the quality of life for student athletes. i think there is also the opportunity for transitional health care, perhaps the opportunity to come back and access scholarship support, long after you have been in college if you want to complete your degree. a higher level of career counseling, because you know an awful lot of young men and women come in aspirationally thinking about an olympic opportunity or
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a professional opportunity and all of a sudden they get to the end of their sophomore year and realize that maybe that's not going to happen and all of a sudden they go forward and get a good education. so you know, i think that we really will have lost our way if we begin to view college athletes as employees. i just den think that's what this is about. it certainly isn't about that in the main because 99% are as the ncaa says correctly, are going pro in something other than their sport. >> all right. thank you. we appreciate it. >> you are welcome. >> colorado. isn't colorado in your -- that's tough. >> they used to be. >> used to be. that's right. we're in the pack. >> pac 12. you are right. >> either place, we have been losing. coming up, the best ideas for the second half. we will talk about that and technology.
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. >> i think we have to build something big. >> the trust that people have in us is very important to us as a company. we won't survive if people don't trust us.
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>>. >> good morning, everybody. welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe concern nan and andrew ross sorkin. our guest host is byron weed. the futures after the gains we have seen recently are indicated higher once again, the dow futures look like they will open up another 26-and-a-half points. s&p is up three points t. nasdaq is up five-and-a-half the ten year, 2.5%. in our headlines this morning, shares are rising, canada's valiant pharmaceuticals has raised its takeover bid. the cash portion goes up $10 to $58.30 a share. valiant is adding a contingent value, right, that says it could be worth up to $25 a share.
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allergan shares are up. only 98 cents. that's a gain of less than .6 of a percent. general electric improved its offer, that's according to an official and french president hol lande's offices, source say improvement includes a pledge to create 1,000 new french jobs in three years. >> that follows a meeting between the ceo and shares are also higher up about 1.14 percent. we are keeping an eye on shares of toll brothers, reporting profits of 8 cents better than the street was expecting. toll brothers sold more homes at higher prices. now let's get to the headlines coming out of the code, google's driverless car. the prototype doesn't have a steering wheel or brake pedals. among the goals, taking the responsibility out of the hands of drivers who are too slow or distracted to make decisions of
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behind the wheel and, you know, john is joining us. at&t, verizon, they need to spend more money because they don't text while driving is, i see it. now i can predict watching the people in front of me. i can predict which people are texting bus they're so erratic. it's a problem. we need, i think this is the answer because the people are doing too many things while they're driving now. >> when you say it like that. you make it seem like google is replacing human beings with robots. >> i want them to. >> what happens web they come for you? plets talk about microsoft ceo. you heard a little bit of what he had to say about the big things microsoft has to do. >> that might have been his clearest crystallized quote from his talk last night. take a listen at the full. >> i think we have to build something big.
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if along the way we have to by things, that's fine. but we have to build something big. we build i'll say three big things and you can say three-and-a-half if you add x-bucs for the it and it's time for us to build the next big thing. >> something else he said i would say almost provocative. he asked what he won't do as ceo. this is what he said. >> the one thing that i won't want to do is muddle along on things, with i is anything that we are doing where we are not doing great work. it's not about the business metrics that matter in the short run. is it stuff that we are doing greats work that's got great usage, customers partners, it's there in the air and i can feel it, everyone can 2350e8 it and if it's the case, we'll stick with it. but there are things that we are
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doing that are subscale and that are not great. then we won't do it. >> i'd say it was almost provocative, then he was pressed about what exactly are you talking about? what if the latest version of the surface doesn't take off? does that mean you will kill it? not necessarily. there is nothing specific i have in mind to kill it. everybody in the audience had one thing they would kill if it doesn't go somewhere soon. sergei britain, of course, talked about the driverless car. they ripped off the steering wheel the pedals, everything you don't need in a car if it were gyrospear. it's interesting. he also talked about google glass. someone asked him about a facial recognition app for glass? britain said, actually, we're not going to do that, listen. >> not only have we completed our mission in glass. we actually asked our glass ware developers not to put that in.
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it certainly would be a handy feature especially at a kaurns like this, it's just, you know, we also re -- there is a lot we have bitten offer with this project as is and i think the facial recognition is an area that society is still formulateing its views on, so there is a hundred other things for to us work on first. >> something he said about that that i found interesting. he said he mostly wears glass outside when he is playing with his kids, not so much pence. the last time i saw him at sort of an event like this about a year-and-a-half ago pence, he had glass on quite a bit. so i wonder is he even wearing glass? we'll see. back to. >> you john, one quick question on the cars. did he talk about the implications for industry, meaning, taxi drivers, other types of cars, anyone who drives a car, it sounds to me
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eventually uber could be a driverless car that picks you up, takes you on your way, to the extent uber is createing jobs, this could have the opposite effect? >> he didn't specifically address that impact on people who drive others for a living. he did say he doesn't see google's driverless car technology as completely replacing cars people drive. he expects beth to sort of co-exist. >> obviously. for a while. bur -- >> well, is anything like that obvious the way google thinks? maybe they want to take over the world? >> and i resemble that you don't think i'm worried about the robots coming after me. i have been talking about that a lot. we play terminator music all the time. have you read any verner vinge? let me review his quote. within 30 years, with will have the technological means to create super human intelligence, shortly thereafter the human era
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will be ended. so i'm well aware. >> sarah conner chronicles? sha short lived tv? >> don conner, very similar to that. but i'm fully worried about whether they like us, they don't like us or whether they're just ambivalent. john, stay with us, joining us from new york. daniel easternst, hudson square principal, he covers google. brent phil covers microshot, a senior analyst at the software group ubs. it must be -- daniel, we seize on the cars, it's something we can understand. that's really not the headline coming out of all this, is it? >> well, my first reaction to this, let's say i believe you that this can work and that there is a real opportunity here, i'd say show me the money because google talks a lot about
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innovation and how successful that they have been in their moon shot projects, the biggest is android, a great success from adoption standpoint. the when we return big invention they monetize the core engine of profits which a stock analyst is still searched. they actually haven't been successful in branching out beyond that. i think satya talked about their being successful outside of windows and officer and a little bit of x-box. but not a lot of companies have gone beyond their core competency as far as goggle is talking about. i would actually be happier to see a lot of those products pence of ge. pence of a separate company the weigh elan musk, an outside company as can you or cannot invest in or even pence apple,
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which had demonstrated they can enter multiple success areas. they did the computer. they did the iphone. they did itunes, the ipod and the tabloid. those are all so big that the scc says, actually, you have to report those out. google doesn't have any of that. there are no separate reportable categories. they haven't talked about youtube in three years, how well that is doing. so googled a 21% earnings is probably fairly valued. apple is going to grow anemically. it probably has the most opportunities, a surprise. microsoft has do you know great job in management and what is the next big thing? so i don't know. but they have a reasonable track record in doing that. i don't think google does. >> yeah. when i heard brent, we got to build something big, yeah, talk is cheap. after windows, can anyone, it seems like the disruptors were all, that i have new names, and
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the old companies just don't have the, i don't know, there is something different about the environment there. are the next big ideas going to come from the old company? >> we think some of them can. we think many of the new ideas right now are coming from the new breed of companies like sell and vm ware. i think satya mentioned about building the next thing we think around mobility the market share is disappointing it at less than 14%. on the enterprise cloud, there is a big turnt, where they have been transitioning to a subscription commercial modem. that business has been very good. we think there is capabilities pence microsoft to get there. they obviously had the cash position but i think we are early to see what this next big idea is. if i was him, i would continue to push on the strength, which is the enterprise commercial business. if you look at the last quarter the component grew 14%.
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that's great growth. it's better than any megacap tech company out there in terms of when you look at the organic growth. so clearly, they're executing. it's just the next big thing is still tough to see. >> do you want them to stay, tow, in the consumer space? i think about the surface, for example, they about a week ago came out with this new service which is supposed to be about the tablet and the laptop, is that the future for them or should they get out of that business? >> i think the strength is, there is parts as a consumer they need to move out of. i don't think they have been very good. so if i was nadela. i would focus again on commercial and then pull back some of the consumer investments in areas where they're good at. they're not good everywhere. i think they're spending too much money. so we do think they need the pill back. we think they're going to stick with surface for now. they will obviously stick with mobility, with nokia coming in
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here. but, yeah, i think this, their real core strength is for the last 20 years has been commercial. you got to stick with what you know. that's where i would go. >> are we at a point. i was in a talk by ben bernanke recently. he said the pace of technological change is going to slow down. are we at that point now where the revolutionary ideas for the so-called big ideas are going to be fewer and farther between? >> i think that's exactly right. i think the way i measure that is what i call economic innovation, these are innovations that come out that are so big that you actually are growing earnings on them. you can report them out. so that's why i got to point to apple. they have innovations which have expanded their opportunity, whereas a golg has done the great job of expanding the opportunity for search. it's still that one invention that those guys did when they were at stamford is still the
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core of the company and to brent's point about microsoft, you know, they haven't done very well branching out beyond their abilities. you look at a company like ge, which for 100 years entered new product categories that a lot of times they've invented. they hit a dividend for 100 years. the stock has gone nowhere. i think you are right. i think that level of innovation that's really pushing us isn't there yet. so you sort of appreciate what goggle is trying to do there. but as an investor, i want to see that somewhere else. i want to see it broken out as a vc company maybe i don't want to envest in, maybe i do. i think you are right, we are not really seeing that kind of impact on innovation. >> all right. gentleman, thanks. see you later. coming up, from tech to media. we will talk to time warner boss
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of enfor theization and the deal and what the consumer can expect in the future. then later. >> mr. levin? >> correct. >> why one well known analyst is upgrading twitter this morning. he will join us. he will call in about 7:50 eastern time.
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. welcome back to "squawk box," let's take a check on the shares
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of michael cors, reporting a profit of 78 cents per share, beat estimates by 10 cents. same store sales jumping 26%. comcast-time warner cable deal back in the headlines after the new york times editorial board called for the government to block the merger. comcast is the parent company of universal, joining me is jerry levin. thanks for being here today. >> thank you, becky. >> i know you said in the past you are if favor of this deal. why is that? >> well, i was really taken by surprise by what the great lady said yesterday. we are living in an era of rapid change, digital disruption, simply by adding time warner cable systems to comcast and then shedding some of the charter does not make brian roberts a telecommunications colossas. in fact, we need the redefine
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the problem of the anti-trust laws was to come from the gilded age, what company is a market in? who is competing with comcast? when you look at collossi, you have to look at apple, amazon, google, microsoft, look at the transformation of at&t, verizon and sprint. look at the companys that are coming over the top with mobile applications and using the internet to deliver content and communications, netflix, hulu or yahoo. there is no such thing as a gate keeper anymore. it's not about gate keeping. it's about platforms and apps. i think it's time to wake up and let these companies have a go at innovation. >> i mean, i understand what you are saying about being surprised. logic would dictate someone
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would cake i take the other side of this argument is not very logical or thinking through him honestly, you were surprised that the new york times came out against us? i'm surprised someone could still take that position, but are you not surprised, honestly, that the new york times took that position, are you? >> the new york times is a company like all legacy print companies trying to do most indicate the internet and they're having issues with it. and the editorial in a 2012 statistic about the ability to receive on smartphones, tablets, whatever i want, wherever i want it, you know, just belies a point of view. i mean, that's what surprised me. >> it's not surprising the "time's" is anti- -- there is an anti-mna. i wasn't surprised when i read the editorial, i'm never surprised. >> let me play devil's advocate with this, the" time's" articles
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says 40% of american homes will be getting high speed internet access from comcast if this were to go through. does that concern you? >> no, it didn't concern me. look around, look at young people, see how they're getting their news, their information, their entertainment, their sports. it's on a mobile device. that's where the technology is going. so that to quote that statistic doesn't really make sense. the other thing is it's time to renovate the anti-trust laws and for the government to stop looking at and stepping in when it's already too late where the companies are looking at probably are going to get overtaken by the marketplace anyhow. and besides. >> where should we be focusing right now? >> focusing on not size alone, on what will promote innovation, global innovation in this digital world. i mean, if we don't do that, you
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will find that a lot of companies experimenting in china, in japan, in korea and india are going to be developing in this digital disruptive world, new applications and our own american companies will have to be answering to the government all the time and comcast has already agreed not to discriminate in favor. i am experienced where the government has come after us when we put time and carner together, time warner and turner together, obviously, when we put aol and time warner together, the government needs to renovate its own thinking. >> jerry, i can't speak for the editorial page and the fork times. i want to put that out there before i begin on this. what does the future lock like. >> so if there were no anti-trust laws at all and the fcc didn't have to regulate this particular type of transaction, three, four, five years from now, how many companies would
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there be, what would it look like? >> probably there would be a hell oof a lot more companies than there are tonight you would see some innovation in not only content delivery, also in different forms of texting communications. they'd all be wrapped into one. you'd find that it's going to come from place you don't suspect. >> jerry, why do you sigh that? the reason i raise the question is, most of the pipes require a huge capex. huge capital investments. apps i get, software i get. when it comes to actually transmitting stuff, you need to have a lot of money on the table. why does there need to be more companies not less? >> andrew, you are talking about pipes. the future isn't necessarily in pipes. the future is coming over the top. >> it's wireless. >> of course, it's wireless, that, the capital required forthat is nowhere near the capital we spent building this
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original infrastructure and the development of some form of platform or application coming from the cloud is going to transform the about to deliver new programing. and the idea that we can even control the amount of programing the new generation of texting, you know, is it's time to recognize the digital world has changed everything. >> jerry, thank you. we appreciate it. and a programing note. comcast chairman ceo brian roberts. >> i'm putting him in the legend category. >> you'd remember his name. brian roberts will be joining "squawk on the street" street. making new york state number two in the nation
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welcome back to "squawk box." we do earnings reports out. michael cors earning 78 cents a share, 10 cents above what they were expecting. the current fiscal year, same store sales jumped 26% in the quarter compared to a year ago. >> that stock up 4.5%.
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it was not upbet for dsw, it earned 6 cents below what was expected. revenue falling short. current year earnings will fall below wall street's outlook. dsw says its quarter was hurt by bad weather and a headley promotional environment. sales are down 14.5%. mortgage applications fell. ended may 23rd according to mortgage bankers association. applications for new home and financings, declined. the average rate was 4 poeb 31% the lowest levels since last june. our next guests made millions, including enron, worldcom and lehman brothers, sharing his thoughts on the market is chris pucillo, the asset management ceo and officer of solas. the fund has 23% annualized
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returns since inception. that's pretty good. i assume i can't ask you that question. >> that's correct. >> that is correct. >> for how long? >> i can't tell you that. >> what does that mean? >> when did you start the firm? >> 2002. >> okay. help us try to understand, a, you work at the bankruptcy market right now. there aren't nearly the same types of bankruptcys we had before. where do you see opportunity in all of this? >> right now we have tsu one of the largest obos. there is lots of moans in the tsu complex. the bank that will get most likely the majority of the equity there. >> that can be extremely attractive. i think it's one of the lower risk bankruptcy plays because of the valuation through the bank debt. >> so if are you playing at home to the extent you are. is there a way for you to play there, to participate in this?
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>> you could buy tsu bonds, but they're going to be more of a gamble. >> did you do airlines is that a big one for you? >> yes. >> did you know, did you know it was going to work out as spectacularly as it did? >> no, no, definitely not. the thing about american airlines was we were involved in a much smaller way up until the point that the unions sort of blessed the merger. >> right. >> we had been involved in delta and northwest prior to that, years ago. and we were trying to get northwest and delta to merge before northwest came out. the unions didn't want it and that was costly. so once the unions said, they favor it the go ahead, then we started to get involved in a much bigger, a much bicker way. >> i have a lehman brothers question, i know everybody tries to go back and relive five, six years ago. know whack we know now, looking at that bankruptcy. i know you have been a player in that. >> yes. >> do you think the company was insolvent? >> whew, if things didn't clang
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for sure, because the bonds -- >> it looks now there was actually a lot of value in that company that we didn't present or thought that we could deal with. >> there is a lot of value. the problem is when a financial institution has a liquidity crisis, it's lights out. >> right. >> that's really what happened lehman, they just can't fund themselves. on a short-term basis definitely. on a long-term liquidation basis, there's lots of things that could happen n.lemman's case the markets came screaming back, all the real estate they had became much more valuable than it was when they actually went under. >> all right. are you on that particular topic? >> i think the management was not cooperative. if the management had been more realistic about their plight, it could have been savinged, i think. because the assets were there. but they had to take haircuts they weren't willing to take. if they had taken those haircuts, lehman could exist today.
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>> they played their hand a little too long. >> broad sense of the markets where we are now? >> equity markets. >> you do do play them sometimes? >> if we do, a lot of the debt we boy turns into equity. we have like american airlines as an example. so we do have positions. we're comfortable with the equity markets right now. i know a lot of people are kind of calling the top. bus it's at the top. but i think the way things are going with the current, you know, gdp growth, it's not a scary place to be. >> can you explain what's going on with the ten year? we keep having this conversation about ten year versus where equities are, how related or unrelated that will be. >> it's definitely a conundrum. i don't know how to explain implt i think part of it is that the fed has taken about $40 billion out of the purchase program since december. you know, the markets see that as not meaningful. so the ten years is sort of sticking tight to this area. i think that, you know, with
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data getting better, post-the polar vortex. >> right. >> we will not see any reason for the other tapering to continue another ten, over the next 10 billion a month for the next two meetings. >> that will get to us 25 billion. that i will move that between that point of time and the end of the year. so i think it's sort of steady as she goes and the markets not reacting negatively. >> i don't think you commented on this just yet. >> no, look. there is a three amount of turbulence around the world. if you are somebody in an emerging market, you'd be very nervous about your assets there. and you would want to park some of your assets in a safe place. there is no safer place than u.s. treasuries. >> that's why we are looking at these ridiculous yields. >> there is a tremendous amount of foreign flashlight capital coming into the treasury markets. also, there are a lot of people who think the market is at the top. they know two-and-a-half isn't
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much of a yield, but it's better than losing money. so they pit their.there for a period of time. >> what do you make of all the mergers and acquisitions. how much are you playing that? >> it definitely is a part of our portfolio, you know, thesis where we own like i said post-bankruptcy equities that we hope get taken out of through americaners and acquisitions. >> right. >> i think corporates have cut a lot of expenses, they've done a great job. there is not much more to cut. >> right. >> in order for them to prove to their investors they will continue to grow, they're not going to bailed new factory. they will buy a competitor. >> that's what we were talking about yesterday. that's not the confidence we need for the big investment with corporations for -- we need them to invest, not keep bogey other companies and rashlg rationalize the list. >> mna is a sign of confidence. >> they're getting confident. >> it's also --
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>> a lagging indicator. >> exactly. >> it's the beginning or does it mean, you know, i'm not, maybe in the middle. >> in the middle. >> and also, you are seeing a pick up in capital expenditures, you know, for the first time. >> right. >> so that -- >> the first time in years. it's late. but. yeah. >> so how long does it last from here? if you are in the middle, are you looking at several more years of this? >> i think we could have several more years of slow growth. growth below, between 2.5 and 3%. >> i don't see proceedoff characterist -- blow off characteristics here. >> the multiple. >> that's no wage presser. that's like goldilocks. >> riding along, you don't have to worry about it. >> all right. chris, thank you for coming in. >> we appreciate it. a little less worry today.
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>> you learned quickly on snowden being at the new york times now, you just don't say anything now, you have learned, it's a possible -- people are crazy. >> he is one of the most -- >> have you learned, this starts early on, you make one comment, right. >> you got my trap. >> you got the pc, new york times. here's one person that says i couldn't agree with you more on that position. i think nothing of that coward. another day says you are pathetic, concern nan, your imitation of snowden, you are a stain. hold on, so then when i tried to block him, do you know there is check lists now, annoying, spam, all these things you can say, i took all of the above. go ahead. >> he does this all the time. >> your order on the hedge fund market is getting too crowded. >> it's definitely a concern. i think that, you know, for the situations that we're involved in right now, if it's not too crowded, it does get a little kloppy. you know, like the shipping
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sector, it's a big sector we have been involved in. that's becoming a little more crowded. >> that just gives an opportunity to move out of one position and put another on as people come in and draw prices up. >> crazy. becky is dancing over here, i don't know few missed. sorry. >> thank you. it's a kind of annoying, a spam account. this account may be uncompromised. this user is abusive. there is not all of the would have. summer conflict time t. president of stub hub comes to talk about the hottest tickets, including jay-z and beyonce. ♪ ♪.
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is that cold play? memorial day is the unofficial kickoff to the summer concert season and sizzling hot ticket prices for stub hub, the ticket reseller, the hot concert this summer is sir paul mccartney with tickets ranging as high as $3,000 or pop rapper royalty, beyonce and jay-z, i don't think solange is coming. i'd pay to see an elevator ride.
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>> that's why we were playing it. ♪ if you leak it, you got to patriot ring on it ♪ >> beyonce. >> tickets of up to $2,000 and president of stub hub joins us now with more. what else you got, chris, is cold play going to be around, do you know? how much would that cost me? >> it really matters, it depends on when they go on sale and how manytorys, how many concerts they do. on stub hub, seller sets the prices, so they can be as high as the numbers you mentioned or much lower. the other thing that's hot right now is obviously the nba and nhl playoffs. >> yeah. that's a sore spot today the nhl playoffs. i know tomorrow night. how much are ranger tickets going for tomorrow fight? >> rangers tickets tomorrow night at madison square garden starts at $497 that includes all
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fees, on stub hub, when you see prices listed on the site, the prices are all in, they include all fees including delivery, unlike many of our competitors. >> just one more, chris, can you -- is it inter -- lastic are we in a rip roaring recession based on or are people this is sort of a, you see your harley-davidsons were a dream buy, they were recession proof. people save up for it. i imagine in stub hub you do well in good times and in bad. >> what we find prices flow up as the economy gets better. as the economy gets worse, prices come down. so we have seen over the last five years, we've seen the average price of a ticket come down about 25%. >> that started in 2008, 2009, 2010. the last few years have been more or less flat.
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we see the impact on overall prices. the other thing that factors is this all in pricing we are doing. when you come to the site. you see the price of the ticket enexclusive of all fees, that makes the tickets appear more expensive than they were previously. the truth is they're the same price. so on average, we're seeing people are spending a little less this year because they see the price up front. when they check out, they're very happily surprised there are no add-on fees. the everio all order size is lower than it was last year. >> is there more business strain in terms of buying tickets, is the market share changed versus consumers? >> we haven't seen tamplt we have really on stub hub, we have a mix of both business and consumer buyers. we probably the majority of the sales we do are actually consumer buyers. so i don't think we have seen that change dramatically in the last year or so. >> hey, chris, i would guess i are a pretty good gauge of not only who is hot and getting hotter, also, who is dropping
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off. i wonder if there are any bands you can tell us have dropped off substantially? i think of some of those ''tween bands, i wonder how one direction is fareing on your site? >> one direction is still in the top ten for concerts on stub hub, but lady gaga is not. that's a little bit surprising this year, even though she is touring in generally doing a lot of concerts, she's not in our top ten this year. >> chris the model, in fact, anders should probably talk more about this pandora, the way it works, concerts are how people make money at this point, that should be better for you, because it's tough, cds, you know. >> why do it for him, though? >> i don't think it changes. >> that's where, if you want music, that's where it's hot. >> probably a lot more supply. >> concepts are what's hot in music, right, not -- >> is there more supply? >> well, there is more supply because more artists are touring as you said, something like 60%
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of an artist's venue, of an artist's revenue comes from touring. it's usually the majority of the money that an artist makes is from touring from doing concerts. so you will see more and more concerts. taylor swift has been on concert for three years. lady go ga has been on tour each of the last three years. >> that mean there is is more supply. concerts on stub hub have grown fro 20% of our business to 30 pshs of our business, partially because we have targeted that market clearly and one is with all in surprise i pricing. concert buyers like all in pricing better. >> 30% for concerts. does that men 70% for sports? >> it's a little less than 70% for sports. 65, 70% for sports. >> yeah. >> okay. >> all right, chris. >> can i make a plug for chris one second? >> we den know each other. chris, you should know, i had a bad experience. this is where i want to go with
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it. they helped me. no, no, i called up the phone number. i was at a broadway show. i had picked the seat. >> you couldn't get in the door. >> i was struggling. they helped. they refunded the money, they did everything right. chris, thank you. >> thank you very much. thank you for your business. >> show tunes. that's your stub hub experience. >> that is my experience. i had other stub hubs, this was the one i thought was note worthy. >> rangers, rent? >> i was at a rangers game two weeks ago. >> revenlt. >> i seen rent five times. >> i'm going to -- >> you set yourself up. >> get ready for the attack. >> one time opportunity. what i'm going to buy you some tickets. who would you like to see? how about those young whipper snappers the rolling stones? >> the rolling stones. absolutely. >> they sing that crazy rock 'n' roll. >> he is now a grandfather. i am not even joke. i just seen that.
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i'm not even joking. >> look, joe, as you've known for a long time, life is over for me. you know. i mean. >> you own "squawk box." life begins at 60. byron. >> you stay up later than we do, byron. >> we do. >> when we come back, now is the time to buy twitter. one analyst making the call saying this is the bottom for the stock. he joins us next. plus we will head to the code conference with top tech business leaders are meeting. later, a ramp-up in violence in ukraine, richard engel will bring us the latest. "squawk box" will be right back. 12k3w4r6r7b8g9s. with the state creating dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years.
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welcome back. "squawk box." securities has upgraded twitter from neutral to buy and slower media growth. shares are down 50% year-to-date. is twitter reaching its bottom? with us now the man calling the bottom here senior analyst calling in. you are calling the bottom? >> hey, andrew, we are saying the market is expecting smaller user growth. it hayes priced in that expectation. what we are saying the market is giving limit or no credit for the possibility that improvements to the platform willry juv nate growth. we think risk is to the upside. i mean, that's the call on the users. >> what is your target on the stock now? >> $43. you know, the other thing i
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would add is that in addition to the users, we think modernization per user continues to be fastest in the internet. as budgets continue to shift, we are basically taking facebooks for 2013 and applying for twitter for '15, when i do that, we get a higher revenues and earnings estimates as well. >> the bankers knew exactly what it was worth, didn't they? this was the first time in history. what was the ipo pricing? >> 26. if you look at what internet has done. >> where did it open that day? >> 38. >> 38. yeah. >> now it came, obviously, those metrics were pretty good. you can see the froth that was probably representative in all the stocks, i guess social media stocks. you can see it there illustrated. it came down basically to where it was priced, right? >> definitely, now you are at a point where there is so much apathy, no one wants to touch it. few drew a chart of apathy versus quality, this gets you to
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that upper right quadrant. we leak that. we basically think there is room for both facebook and twitter. >> andy, what will they do that changes the game that pushes this up, in terms of operationally? >> well, they're embarking in a lot of improvements platform. it makes it easy for my parents to engage, make it easy to sign on with a mobile device, reducing the times for new users or improving the recommendation engine or even just making the app more aesthetically pleaseing. there is probably seven eight or nine small kind of improvements to the platform that i think, you know, i think are apg happening behind the scenes. that's it. the other thing is international. here's one thing i have to say. >> we got to run, unfortunately. >> international, a quarter of the revenue and 80% of the usage, thanks, guys. >> thank you. we will see you. >> are you supposed to be at a harvard reunion an important one? >> yeah. >> you are, why are you blow tag off?
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>> it's huge, though. >> is that one? >> i was asked. >> well, how do you know that? >> because. i just know things. >> anyway. >> we will hit you more on this, byron. we got more to talk about when we come back, including "squawk box" master jeremy siegel. cnbc is live, a special guests all day long, including comcast chairman and ceo brian roberts. in the next half hour, former yahoo member michael wolf. he will be our special guest. we'll be right back.
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i'm joe kernan. we talked act chris martin in cold play. >> and we have the rico conference. >> gwyneth and chris have nothing to do with each other. >> the rumors. >> hone e i don't know, humpty dumpty. it's hard to put him back together. is it not? if that's what they want to do. >> dick and liz did that. didn't they get married a couple of times, do you remember? married, divorced. married. >> you smother your sister. >> your kind of people. >> but dick and liz? >> yeah. headlines? >> we do have headline, valley pharmaceuticals is boosting its bid for adding doctor 10 per share raising it to 5830.
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the stock portion remains the same. vallient says could be worth up to $25 per share. people yes the shares as a currency. so now we are adding a major cash component. toll brothers, the home builder beat estimates on the top and bottom lines for the latest quarter. it sold more homes as higher prices. atlanta fed president dennis lockhart says he's not in a rush for the central bank to raise rates. he expects them to recover to a 3% annual growth rate later this year. we can only hope to raise rates sometime in 2013. he says the fed needs to wait until it's clear that economic growth is sustainable. rico hosting its first ever code conference in california, bringing together top influencers in media and technology to talk about the impact on our lives an our
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businesses. google's headlineing last night's opening event. among the topics. sprint talked about the nsa spy scandal. >> noted revelations are a huge disappointment to certainly to me and the world as a whole. i think, i think from my perspective, if you go back to the cold war when presumably the nsa was spying on a small number, relatively small number of people, soviet people, whatever, generals, various, you know, communist party officials and so forth and as a consequence in theory what's protecting us from total nuclear annilation, i think that's one kind of balance. i think the balance looks really different. >> meantime, nadella addressed the future of microsoft in what we calls a post-post-pc world. >> i think we have to build something big.
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if along the way we have to boy things, that's fine, but we have to build something big. we build i would say three big things, and you can say three-and-a-half if you add x-box into it. and it's time for us to build the next big thing. >> joining us right now is michael wolf, active founder and managing director, a former yahoo builder of mtv networks. john, welcome to both of you. michael, i was hoping to get your thoughts on saturdayy saturdayya nadela. he talked about a lot of things, also tried to make clear that he is definitely in charge. even though bill gates is there to offer to help. what do you think about the jobs he has ahead of him and the
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early steps ahead of him? >> he was clear that bill gates said he will be spending 40% of his time there. spat ya made it clear bill gates was there as the findr founder and satya was, in fact the ceo. what was clear was also the fact that they are going to be in the hardware business as well as the software business because they need the hardware business in order to be able define new categories. this was all very, it was welcomed by the crowd that was here, because they want to see. everyone who opts to see microsoft come back strong. >> so what did you think last night just watching the whole thing? >> i think that what we saw was an incredibly confident ceo. one that seems like he's bringing an entire product in user orientation of the company that so many people were hoping to see going forward and one that a lot of people thought that was missing before. >> michael. it's andrew again.
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can you speak to the issue about the future of microsoft as an enterprise, business focused organization as opposed to a consumer organization and whether you think that they actually changed strategic direction? >> i, some of their most important applications, for example, officer, they're still the most widely used world wide, despite the fact that there are applications available from google. nadella talked about their interest in being in search and being importantly staying in the advertising business. so it's clear, this is going to be a company that's going to be both. i, it doesn't seem that he's stepping back from the consumer side and it certainly doesn't seem like they will only be focused on enterprise. >> you were a board member from yahoo. we can call it maybe a complicated relationship with microsoft around search. what do you think will happen to that relationship?
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>> microsoft has taken out the most expensive parts of the search process. yahoo was very smart in doing this deal because microsoft is doing all of the stuff crawling the web, categorizeing, where yahoo can really personalize on the front end, so i don't know what's going to happen to this relationship. >> don't they want out of that deal and build their own search? those have been. >> it's not clear. >> you used to be pence the room. >> yeah. i haven't been in the room for a while. but there are pros and cons to the relationship and like any of these partnerships, there's going to be a lot of tension and i don't know what will end up happening here. >> john, let me ask you. we were just listening to a sound byte. by the way, that music playing behind you guys? do you hear that? >> we are hearing that. >> i wanted to make sure it wasn't in my head again. john, let's heard what we heard
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from sergei brent. he mentioned nsa. he mentioned snowden. how big is that for the entire conference this week? >> i think it's a pretty big topic. we will hear from a number of people who are affected by that. drew houston from drop box is going to be up today. we expect to hear from tony fidel. that's a concern that everybody's got in the larger internet space, particularly when you are talking about the cloud and putting customer data there and the trust that companies need in order to operate globally, something we have seen across both consumers, especially enterprise companies as the hit they took internationally once all this news came out. it seemed like a number of governments and companies were concerned, well, is the u.s. government using a u.s. trojan horse to try to spy on our governments or citizens. >> it's weird, though, john, listening to sergei brenna, i understand the notion of the cold war no one wants nuclear ai'm ination, i understand that.
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the reason we are using this huge brush is to try to find, you know, in the big data some way of analyzing whether you can see some yemen money moving, something like that, that could prevent not nuclear annilation babe i maybe a domestic terror attack. it strikes me as disingenuous. google would like to use all that information to sell you something or to find out where you are or to do something in a commercial way that they don't want well intentioned government people going out to try to prevent a terror attack. you can't see the discrepancy there? >> it's funny you mentioned that. kara asked sergei about that. he addressed it. he said on the one hand, that is what the government initially set out to do. the calculus has changed. it's not necessarily nuclear annilation we are hearing now and the scope of what's fallen under under surveillance is a lot bigger. he said it might make sense to
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sort of re-address that. it seems like nobody went back in and sort of re-did the balance there. then as far as google is concerned, he tried to arc they because their customer base, because they need customer trust. they have an incentive to be a lot more up front about the data that they're checkle. they kind of suggest they police internally. we are all left to make our judgments how effective that will be. >> exactly. >> he also mentioned the wifi street vika controversy and said we are not always perfect, by we strive to be. >> one ask doing it for money the other for greater security. >> hopefully. >> to feel -- >> what's clear is it's in google's best interest and all of the company's best interest there is still privacy and trust for consumers. they want the consumers for the
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web to increase. trust and privacy are important. >> john gave us his review of gwyneth paltrow's surprise appearance. he said she was rambleing. are you taking her seriously? she obviously runs goop? >> no. i think she was here as icing on the conference, not necessarily a serious business person. >> okay. michael, thank you very much for joining us. we will be hearing from you throughout the show. thank you, both. when we come back, better-than-expected reports, more data coming later this week. we will hear from a "squawk" master jeremy siegel. the futures this morning are still indicated higher even after the games we have seen, dow futures up twooe 23-and-a-half points, "squawk box" will be right back.
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let's talk markets. joining us pennsylvania jeremy siegel, president of the wharton school of the university of pennsylvania. on the set, byron, i am sure you have crossed paths. every time we hit a new high, jeremy, you kind of like you can wink at us and say, see, here we
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are again, the first time we have ever been at 1,900 or above on the s&p. so far so good. what inning is this? >> i don't think we're in the 9th inning or the big inning. the big news in 2014 is interest rates. at the end of december, i guess we would be bet a dime for a dollar that long rates would be 3.5%. instead, they're 2.5%. this is very, very important. >> i know some people that put out the surprises, i won't mention any names, that had predicted 4%. yeah, here we are 2.5. so you would tie that no correction and a strong stockmarket, they are related. everyone is waiting for the rates and the market to sell off? >> exactly. exactly. and i think the forces forcing rates down are very widespread.
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go way beyond just the fed. we talked about it in some previous sessions, the aging of the population, the derisking of pension funds, people in general wanting not to take risks in the markets. so they're going to those bonds and believe it or not. we got the deficit pretty much under control, certainly relative to a few years ago. so even with the fed not buying, we're not pumping out as many bonds as we did before and people are buying them and that 2.5% when the yield on the s&p 500 is not that much lower. to me, people are saying, where do i want to be in the markets? i think that's a huge force driving stock prices upwards. >> jeremy, even if rate rows, when to the 3 or 3.5, the stockmarket would still be cheap
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in your opinion, wouldn't it? >> yes. even at these rates, because, you know, a lot of people, we have folks talking about the new neutral t. fact that the fed forecast the fed hundz funds is way too high going forward. agree with that. the bond market has had justed to the new neutral t. stockmarket hasn't. it's still selling at the same ratio that we've had for 100 years when interest rates were 5, 6, 7%. so even 3.5 is very low historically in the stockmarket. >> jeremy, one thing that's important for your thesis is that the interest rates staying low, are you seeing that as a result of positive influences when it's really easy to see that as the result of negative influences and i just mean that the growth is still not going to pick up and the global growth is still going to be slow and deflation is still a worry in parts of the world. even here. >> that would make low interest rates a negative.
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you'd say why is the market so high when it's obviously saying the economy is weak. >> you are right. but, joe. >> you are afflicted with a hangover of the first quarter. >> the low inflation is good. the low growth is not good. but what is interesting is that at these levels, we don't really need a lot of corporate earnings growth to justify buying stocks because they're earning 6% on current prices and if they just go up as inflation, they're going to be a big yield play over that of bonds. so we don't need that much growth. if we get the growth at s&p and others expect, much higher, i think that's frosting on the cake for the stockmarket. >> doesn't it look like we will get higher growth, almost everything you look at the purchasing manager index survey, promote manufacturing and
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services, initial unemployment claims, exam expenditures, railcar loadings, bank loans hotel bookings, all of those indicate the second half is going to be much stronger. >> much stronger. i think we will get 3 to 3.5 going forward. that will bring yields up. listen, they will not stay at 2.5%. but at that economic growth we can stand the long rate to go from 2.5 to 3.5ened have very attractive markets. if you look at the forecast for the second half of this year, i say, wow, if we could get anywhere near that, the trim to stocks will continue in this yield environment. you are right, we are not staying at 2.5. with regoing up. not anywhere near as much as we feared the end of last year. >> you make a lot of sense, jeremy, you always do. we appreciate it.
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i know where you live. we picked picked him up when we did the show down there. i know where you live. i don't know why that matters. thanks, byron will be with us the rest of the show. >> you know where he lives is what you want to say. coming up, pro russian separatists trying to seize an airport in ukraine. ukraine's new president vowing to use force to bring stability to the region. we will speak to nbc's chief foreign correspondent. richard engel will join us and austin goolsbee on what investors should be watching. a lot more on "squawk box" when we return. in today's market, a lot can happen in a second. with fidelity's guaranteed one-second trade execution, we route your order to up to 75 market centers to look for the best possible price,
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let's head to moscow for an update on ukraine and more, richard engel joins us now and for anybody that is watching is casual i think, a casual observer, richard, it's so hard to intrempt interpret. the idea that putin says, gee, you elected this guy. i will work with this guy. there is blood shed at the airport. it's hard for us to understand what's happening, how long it will last. whether it almost seems too quiet. >> well, i think it will last a long time according to source,
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u.s. intelligence, they certainly believe russia is trying to undermine the new government in ukraine. they recently elected a new president. there are militias on the ground, russia militias that are continuing to do battle with the ukrainian government. they took over for the last several days the airport in the east. the interior minister says it has regained control of the airport. again the morning, shots were heard not far from the airport. so still a fluid situation the russian militants say they lost 100 people in that battle. the new ukrainian government says it will keep fighting the russian militants. so going back to your question, what is moscow's role, putin's role? he says he wants to be a peace maker. he says he's pulled back his troops. he wants peace and quiet. he will work with there new
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government then pence ukraine, you have these russian militants, well armed, they move quickly and the military get their support from russia. so it seems like an insurgency. >> when i said how long will it last? i was ageeing with you that the sort of undermining of the new government will last for a long time, he's not finished. i was saying how long are we going to hear he will honor the cult results of the election and pretend to be working diplomatically with the new chocolate guy? in my mind we're in the early stages. >> the chocolate guy? what if you had sold something else, a different product. luckily he sold progress lat. you think he sold plumbing. >> we got to go with it. use it. that was one of the bloodiest
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days over there. wasn't it? this doesn't seem like things are quieting down. >> i think the watch is not quieting down. i think to watch for a tipping point. russia says it wants to work with the new government, it wants peace and quiet, pull back its troops. but it deserves the right to defend russian nationals. we don't know if that reporteds we heard were about 20. if you see large numbers of russians getting killed pence eastern you crane, by the ukrainian government, then you could potentially putin saying, look, i gave peace a chance, it's not my fault. i reached out to the new ukrainian government. they bit dun on my hand and killed russian nationalists.
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i had no other choice i would be watching for a bloody tiping point moment. a day, a week. only sort of incident putin can use morally and otherwise to say he had no choice. >> what did they want, all of ukraine? >> no. there is a different things they want. some of them say they injure want more autonomy when you crane. they want more regional rights but when you push most of them long enough. they want the government in kiev, the ukrainian government to be topplings. they want that part to come up with an economic alliance and maybe even full annexation with russia. they want to be, they say people in moscow live better than we
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do. they have been a lot of capital. in general, you live well here. this company is seeing relatively speaking disparity since the collapse of the soviet union. within they watch russian television in eastern ukraine, they say we want that, to live like the russians do. >> richard, thank you very much. when we come back. we will be talking more of the forbes list of the most powerful women. it's out now. as we head to the break, we will show you testimony hour. "squawk box" will be right back. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn.
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we have breaking news, robert steel is joining the firm, becoming the ceo of perella weinberg. >> that starts july 7th. joseph perella, legend, a former morgan stanley left that firm if 2005. you remember the fight with bill purcell and started this firm. he will continue in an active role as chairman, most recently, he served as the deputy mayor
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for economic development. he had him on the program a number of times. he was the ceo of wachovia. he oversaw that form and joined the board until 2010 before that, of course, at goldman sachs about 30 years and when he left morgan or goldman rather, he was the head of the division. whether he can take it to the next level we will see, you are seeing so many bo tekes, byron, become public companies and much bigger. i wonder whether he will focus more on the asset manage:side or building the banking piece, but he can give it a new leg up. we will see what happens there. >> also, this morning, forbes is
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releasing its 2014100 most powerful women on the list. there are a few surprises. number five down one spot from last year, imf president christine lagarde. brazilian president rousseff. mellin the gates and janet yellin at number two, topping the list german chancellor angela merckel. . >> okay. lyders of the european union met tuesday evening after four days of balancing amid pressure to reform the way it is run austin goolsbee joins us now on the importance of this vote on the global economy and guest host, co-host with us as well. he's a big fan, austin.
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he talked about you wondered what you were going to say, it's redun davenlt we are all big fans. >> byron and i go back. i love byron. >> talk about what we set up. were you a little bit surprised and what do you think it moretemore portend for november the crazy stuff that happened in u.k. and france, are they throwing the bums out or is it a move to the right? >> i think it's a lot of throw the bums out. i think it's important. the reason i think it's important is not really that it's going to alter the right vs. left, which a lot of people are nervous about. i think it's a sign that the europeans are not okay with extended austerity or extended subsidy of other countries, just the whole euro zone operation depends on guys willing inside
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to stick it out for a long period of time and i don't know now from this election if they really are going to have -- >> would you say, it says anything about their questioning just the whole structure of what's caldwell fair capitalism. you think there is still for that? >> probably some. the basic problem is we talked about before joe is they got a bunch of companies locked in at the wrong exchange rates. it's gruesomely difficult if the exchange rate can't move. when we return of the big objections the voters have here is to essentially labor mobility. they don't want people moving into their countries from the other countries. that's one of the only ways you can do it if you don't have the exchange rates. you got to move to where the jobs are essentially, we don't see all these people moving
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here. i don't see how it will work. >> look. the big change was in 2010 when they recognized us a territory was not the answer, that was the most important inflexion point they faced in the last five years. now they got to lower the value of the euro. >> that would benefit the continent entirely. the third thing is they need a banking union and more fiscal convergence. they haven't done the structural things since between they need to do to sustain the european union on a long-term basis. what are the odds that those things are going to take place? >> yeah, pretty low odds. look, i agree with byreason on most of those points. i would add even if the euro went down, they still have the problem that within the euro zone the exchange rate is wrong. so the euro going down will be great for germany, it will still be in a tough spot for greerks italy, spain, a whole bunch of
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other companies. >> pain is coming back pretty well, isn't it? >> they still got unemployment in the 20% kind of range. so they're coming back somewhat. but i mean it's still pretty grim. >> unemployment is a problem. but it's a problem everywhere. >> you know, austin, we are grinding along here, the market likes it. the market likes 2, 2.25%. multiples don't seem high. i was going to say do you have anything that will get us up to 3%? i was going to mention, few want to send me questions tore toma pickety. he will be on monday. >> oh my goodness, are you serious? they need to put you in the cage, joe. oh my gosh. what are you going to say? sfwe. >> we are doing a thing. >> is he staying in the twins room? >> we will be doing the interview from the house. everybody will be comeing over monday morning.
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we will slather ourselves. >> piketty will see his house and classify the enemy. >> all piketty books now, he will classify himself as the enemy. >> austin, where do you stand on the book? >> what's your opinion? >> i don't agree with to the issue he raises, if the returns are higher over a long period of time. i kind of en56, roll the tape 100 years, we'd have 100 families with a trillion dollars each. we'd have half the country with the same real living standards they had and you know kwhaefr in 1899. >> that would be kind of a grim scenario. so i'm hoping that is not true. >> austin, you saw the ceo report.
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even the past 25 years, real income is up 49% and then you look at in the, go globally, you can see how many people have come into the middle class based on capitalism. >> i 100% agree with you, joe. i've never disputed that. that itself the main engine we have. i just want that the, i hope that the returns to labor go up and the returns to capital do not remain at some extended basis. >> we all agree on trying to level the playing field and get opportunity even. then we start getting bogged down if charter schools and teachers unions and infrastructure. government. we all agree on it. we can't agree on how to level the playing field. anyway, austin, you can send me, send me some questions if you want. i need to know how a far left liberal thinks. so send me some request es. >> i need to send him some
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defenses. >> i doubt if you need it. thanks, austin. >> great to see you guys. >> you didn't know he was going to be on monday. we'll talk to you. you have a lot of comments. coming up, bill murray with sound advice for a future husband. details after the break. cinderella boy. then the boom in energy production in the united states is creating both jobs and investment opportunities. the ceo of interveil capital joins us next to talk growth opportunities and oil and gas. "squawk box" will be right back. beautiful day in baltimore
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so is now the time to capitalize, the energy segment created job opportunities. interveil is joining us the co-founder and managing partner of interveil capital. charles, thanks for being with us. >> thanks, for having me. >> so you recently launched your third fund it was oversubscribed. you came in with $5 million. are investors wanting to get in on this? >> that is correct. there strategy requires small standards. 500 almost was all we could take. there was demand for much more. >> why does it require a smaller fund? >> unlike the energy space, e & p, power, mid-stream, it can scale up and require large amounts of capital.
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services is a space in which you are investing in small mom and pop companies typically with high growth and putting great managers in from the larger service companies to help them kind of achieve their next level of growth and if you scale up andlet say you are trying to invest a billion or $2 billion into that space, you are competing against large equity firms, strategyic buyers, it's become an attractive space. so we like to buy the raw product, professionalize it, grow and sell to those buyers on the back end. >> that sounds like venture capital investing, does this have a better track record? >> it does. the returns are much higher at the lower end of the market. although, i wouldn't characterize it as venture investing, with retypically writing checks of $30 or $40 million for smaller companiesch when we sell, we'd be looking to exit at prices from 250 million to as much as a billion dollars
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on the crest of the company. >> we heard about in terms of jobs and investing opportunities that these new arenas, particularly in energy can bring on. you bring up the point regulation is the wildcard, it's not just federal but state regulation, where do we stand on that front right now? >> for us, regulation is actually a good thing. the more regulation the more services are required to satisfy them. so you have a deep kind of mix-mash regulations from states, even municipalities in some cases are trying to get from on the action. obviously the federal government. so the regulations are targeting, you know, treatment of water. they're methane, a lot of methane concerns, that it sort of leaks with pipe lines, leaks with the well site. road traffic so you can imagine a place like the bakken shale up in north dakota where they don't have a lot of infrastructure.
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trucks are driving out with water for fracks. they're taking water away. because there aren't pipelines, managing the extra abnormalities from this extra activity is a big deal. >> one of the things that concerns me is that there have been transportation accidents. why don't they build a pipeline to transport all that oil coming out of the rack in the bakken? >> first of all, they are building pipelines, there is a distinction between a sort of a trunk line the superhighway that might bring the oil out of the play and to oil markets or refineries and the gathering systems that are required. so five years from now, there will be much more pipeline capacity, much more dense gathering infrastructure, but in the meantime, truck traffic is sort of the bridge between those two situations.
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>> at the beginning of the year, most people thought the price of oil would go down partly because of u.s. production. but the price of oil is higher than it was at the beginning of the year and i think it's going to go higher still because the demand of the world. is higher good for this new fund of yours? >> higher oil prices are good to a points. if prices get too high, then actually it's a real break on economic growth. but you know it's very hard to predict what will happen with oil prices going forward. have you all of this sort of international wildcards, iraq, iran, libya, et cetera. what happens with their production? and in the u.s. we have a pressing concern for the industry, which is the export ban on oil. so we are not allowed to export any crude out of the united states because of a law put in place in 1973 in response to the whole opec crisis. we are almost out of refineing for u.s. light sweet crude. that's sort of the principal oil
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we bring out of the ground. i would say in the next 12 months, we will reach our saturation point on refineing capacity. it will have a major downward impact on prices. so the obama administration is looking at the issue. there are mixed feelings in congress about overturning the ban. if they don't, it could be a real shock for the industry in 2015. >> all right. charles, thank you very much. it's great talking to you today. >> thanks, for the time. >> when we come back, bill murray's advice for a bachelor. [ music playing ] those little things still get you. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines,
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>> buy a plane ticket for the two of you to travel all around the world and go to places that are hard to go to and hard to get out. of. if when you come back to jfk, when you land in jfk, and you're still in love with that person, get married at the airport. >> he -- let me read this on, went on to entertain the group and told him bachelor parties are not for the groom, they are for the uncommitted. hopefully. i always wonder about a groom that totally is all-in on the bachelor party. that gets a little bit dicey at times. when we have been at the at&t, called the at&t -- >> the at&t pebble beach. >> you don't have to say the pebble beach part. when at the at&t he spent an hour and a half with us after he came on the show, a little embarrassing because i think i remember more of his lines than he did about -- and.
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>> i think you do too. >> started thinking all right, yeah. >> a little scary. >> this guys a little too many. >> i don't think we've seen him since then. >> i don't think so either. let's get to the new york stock exchange. cramer has groupies like that too. i'm sure. right, jimbo? >> oh, yeah. exactly. i was walking the other day, in bryant park which is over in summit, you know exactly where it is, right? >> uh-huh. >> it's very quiet and someone got right up in my face and my kids were walking behind me, he went boo-yah right in my face. we all jumped. i don't know whether he thought i was you or knew you lived -- >> message to be passed on. >> he got this close. after he passed us a couple times and he yelled boo-yah right in my ear, jim. you know, scared the heck out of all of us. but thank you for coming up with that boo-yah thing. >> we're -- in summit we don't do that stuff, right? in summit we're like we go to
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roots and fiorinas and keep our nose down, people who are parents. >> exactly. >> that's what i like about it. >> we have pickty on monday. you have to send me your cerebral musings and the things we need to ask. it should be interesting. he became -- that's what i mean. the environment that we're in right now sort of globally, that 42-year-old economist writes a book and almost legendary already. nobody has weighed in on it. >> no. it is incredible how we had the previous book michael lewis. people are reading. you got to give them that. >> yeah. >> i guess we had michael lewis and then too big to fail. >> right. >> andrew. >> six years ago. >> up there for a couple days. geithner talking. >> yep. >> university panda. i liked the book. >> michael lewis had a great
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review. he liked the book. did you see that? >> yes, he did. i thought that was very good. >> now obviously gretchen didn't like the book because he takes a shot at her. i wish she disclosed that when she wrote her piece. >> what? >> in her piece. >> we have to go again. >> thanks. see you in a couple minutes. >> coming up, how byron 2014 predictions have fared. f f-a-i-r-e-d. >>f-a-r. >> he's a fair guy. almost at the halfway mark. a look back at what he said and where the markets stand and make sure you keep it locked on cnbc, coming up on "squawk on the street," comcast chairman and ceo brian roberts live from the code conference in california. that you don't want to miss. much more from the west coast in just a bit.
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problems coupled with ufor rick extremes lead to a sharp correction of more than 10%. the best follows with a move to new highs as the s&p 500 approaches a 20% total return by the end of the year. sir. >> well, we had a difficult first half. we didn't go down 10 but went down 6. but we didn't do anything for first half to speak of. we're up 4% now. i think we can certainly be up more than 10, maybe 15, and maybe even 20. the important thing is, i still think the second half is going to be a lot better. >> let me give you the next one then. the u.s. economy breaking out of its doldrums, growth exceeding 3% you say and the unemployment rate moves towards 6%. fed tapering proves to be a nonevent. >> i definitely am adhering to that. the second quarter will be much stronger and third and fourth better yet. >> but not a 4% ten year. >> not a 4% ten year. >> changing that. >> i'm giving you credit on the first one.
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didn't go ten but if it's crappy may be better in the second half. >> couple more. china's third policies to rebalance the economy toward the consumer and away from dependence on investment spending slows the growth rate to 6% in 2014. can you -- >> they're not rebalancing but the growth is slowing. >> probably is 6. >> would you like to -- you're sticking by it. >> sticking by it. >> and then you -- >> i don't know what they'll report but 6 is what they'll deliver. >> exactly. >> you say in spite of increased u.s. production the price of west texas intermediate crude exceeds $110. demand from developing economies continue to outweigh conservation and reduce conservation in the developed world. >> we've got from 98 to 104, on our way to 110. >> not bad sir. >> paul mccauley is going back to head pimco. >> chief economist. >> i may come -- i may take the way he looked and adopt it as my
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own. i can either do that or -- >> grow your hair a little bit. >> i think i want to go all the way. do we have that? maybe we don't. had me with -- looked like -- there he is. >> he's the man. >> thanks for coming in today. >> thank you. >> that does it for us today. join us tomorrow. time for "squawk on the street." ♪ good morning and welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm david faber with jim cramer. we are live from the new york stock exchange. carl kinquintanilla is in california at the inaugural code conference where heavy hitters in technology and media are making news. he's going to tell us more in just a moment. a look at the futures this morning. you can see not much to speak of in terms of where we will hope or what the day will look like. 10-year note yield, around 2.5, excuse me, 2.4


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