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monkey business going on. now in l.a. you have to use condoms, a lot of business has gone out of chatsworth. >> it was good. it was good. >> thanks, jane. love you. >> join us tomorrow. "squawk on the street" begins right now. good morning and welcome to "squawk on the street," i'm david faber with jim cramer live from the new york stock exchange. carl is on assignment this morning. take a look at futures. they are going to be down. you can see that. that is largely would seem due to backup in yields. we've got a bond market story developing. a continuation of what we saw last week. look at crude oil and the 10-year note yield. crude is up. the 10-year note yield perhaps more of the story.
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we'll go over to japan and tell you what's going on there. let's get to our road map here. you've got mail. verizon/aol, $4.4 billion. why is armstrong selling the company he runs and why verizon is buying a content business? plus as we mentioned, we are seeing red in the premarket. stock futures are lower as that sell-off in bond continues. another month of weak numbers from the gap. retailer's april sales came in below consensus blaming, what else? you're thinking weather? no. strong dollar. that's what they are going with at the gap. verizon agreeing to buy aol $50 a share, $4.4 billion a cash. the dow component says it will help build digital and video platforms to drive future growth. tim armstrong will continue to lead aol after it becomes a wholly-owns verizon subsidiary. the ceo of aol was asked why he did this deal now.
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>> when you look at where we are today and where we are going, we made aol as big as it can be in today's landscape. if you look forward five years, you'll be in a space where there will be massive global scale networks. there is no better partner for us to go forward within verizon. it's not about selling the company today. it's about setting up for the next five to ten years. >> they've been talking to them for a while. there were rumors some time back. my understanding is having spoken to people this morning, it was going to be a jv but he wanted more scale, conceivably and it back an acquisition. there are times we wouldn't talk about verizon doing a $4 billion acquisition. it would be a name nobody heard of. in this case it is aol with that storied history. >> here it is. focus here. this is what you are going to be watching aol tv on.
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they do great, absolutely fabulous programmatic ad for video. this is a great way to take on google. i think tim armstrong will be very happy. lowell mcadam will let him do what he wants, which is develop great programming and have a tremendous ad distribution platform. this is a brilliant move by tim. when i spoke with the company friday, i said you guys are in trouble. you cannot afford to stay independent. they won't let you. there is too much opportunity. this is very much like jeff buccus who is a great american. when it was clear, what happen d
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happened. this is verizon saying we've got a pro in armstrong. he wants to grow scale. we want to grow scale. we watch -- i don't know how many programs you watch on this. >> mobile video platforms and being able to deliver ads, programmatically to wire devices that are being broadband in because that's where we are headed, not necessarily the big thing on the wall but what is everybody looking at in the home? >> maybe they are looking at bill simmons. >> or looking at ipad or other devices. >> right. there are personalities. >> this is a drop in the ocean for verizon. frankly. we are talking about a company with more than $200 billion market value. will lowell mcadam continue to be aggressive and do they do more deals? >> you mean buy yahoo after all this stuff -- right now yahoo is trading about zero. >> yahoo is a strong ad tech
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player. you wonder. he's been mcadam, we asked him to come on he hasn't. >> is he too nice to be that aggressive. >> i don't think he's that nice no offense. no, he is. but he is very focused on innovation, silicon valley. >> yahoo doesn't want to be sold. >> well -- we'll see. fios what he did there. they are getting in litigation, but it's aggressive plan. now this is somewhat aggressive. verizon/aol and talk about the content. >> it makes all the sense. >> programmatic ad buying and being able to effectively deliver for your customers. it's where all this stuff is going. nobody talks to their rep and says i want to buy. i want to buy "i love lucy." >> i wanted 1.5 million buy on
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your website. no more "mad men." you send aol a check and suddenly your ad is everywhere you want it to be. >> look, jim cramer went on to look at a cruise. he didn't go back. send him that. it's thing e aeglgorithms of these companies. ia highs thought to have a strong portfolio in ad tech. we'll see where this all goes. over the top digital platforms. >> i think we all -- i watch jimmy fallon on this. i don't watch all fallon. i watch the part i want to watch because i can't stay up. i watch the end of all the nba games that take seven hours, i watch on this. i would love to see a sports program on. i watch espn obviously. aol's got programming and the technology to compete against google. they are the only guy. i think this is brilliant. it costs so little. they need armstrong. >> talking about so little.
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$50. not that huge a premium. what do you make of the price? >> i don't think anyone else comes in. i know that armstrong doesn't want anybody else to come in. i know the stock is going up because people feel someone else -- this is going to begin the process. i think it's the end of the process. aol was up substantially after friday's quarter which was a terrific quarter. aol, i have here in my hand i'm going to spare the guy his name because it's too embarrassing. the sell that was put out by a firm called clsa on aol on friday, yesterday. saying they are not doing that well. the fact is aol was doing incredibly well. you have this bleed off. he had to deal with the bleed-off of the dial-up. there was discussion about i use aol, i have aol. i have it because in the event of nuclear war the thing never seems to go down. i need a backup to go back and
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forth with my nephew if things go down he's my writer. he said the demographic of aol is so young. >> in spite of that cohort. >> it's not just grandma. >> i'm not going to mention james lee's name. upside -- sorry. >> displaced due to mobile. that's what mcadam wants. he wants mobile. he doesn't want display. he's a nice man. >> this is all about wireless. >> it's all about wireless. and buccus. >> great american. let's move on to others and talk about this from the bond market which has futures down sharply. europe global bond sell-off ten-year note rising to six-month high. yield on the german bund jumped a lot. also worried about greece despite the $750 million euro loan repayment to the imf.
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reuters report they tapped emergency imf reserve. six-year low on a bid to cover ratio on the japanese of 10-year paper. what do you get when you're loaning them 10-year money? it's 4.37% in japan. big moves. five basis point move in japan on 0.43%. those are some big moves. this con seasonably comes from a good place which is global growth. >> yes. last night -- i get up at 3:15 because the bad guys get up at 4:00 so you have to beat them. what i thought was amazing, the german 10-year backed up. it was at 0.4009 at april 17 when you marvelled anyone would be stupid enough to buy that. as the german bund went down our futures fell from minus 6 to minus 0.14%. we are gripped by anything. now it would be like trading off
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the german ten year as pall corp going up two bidders and aol as opposed to partner re our companies are being whip sawed by the german bund. i mean hello. >> it's the violence of the moves people that have people concerned. >> it's frightening. >> and what dislocations will result, if any, and therefore, what con ceivably. >> watch oil today. the frackers.ceivably. >> watch oil today. the frackers. gave this very exciting time because moves are so quick. the companies themselves are
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continuing to buy each other. it is remarkable how much m&a there is. do you go home and say to your kids sorry, there's a lot of m&a? >> no. i don't do that. i pick my spots. you can't do it all. you pick your spots. >> you stay well rounded? >> i try. that means focusing not necessarily on m&a. we are going to talk paul later. that is an interesting situation. we'll do that as a faber report and get your insights on pall corp. it's also a tough morning for one retailer who is blaming weak sales on the dollar. we'll fill you in on that. spacex. we'll have a live interview. >> i want to go to commercial. i'm disrupting you. i'm not 51 on the disruption list. >> we'll take another look at futures. then go to your commercial.
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gap reporting sales.
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gap falling 15%. old navy down 6%. for the first quarter gap says comps were down 4% as the strong dollar weighed on sales. >> you follow this company through the years. they seem to have great up periods and then get in a rut. >> they are radically inconsistent. gap's comparable sales down 12% versus positive 9%. they had no merchandise or the wrong merchandise. they went for consistency. this is the height of inconsistency. >> there's not a lot of picnics in the apparel segment. kohls, there is a revital. there is revival of that mid
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price which i find interesting. when i go to tgf, i never see you there. it's incredible the price on belts and underwear. >> i have been in there. i've gone into that strange store. they have bargains. tjx and kohl's have bargains. i'm a fan of target. >> i know you are. what about the gap here at let's call it $40 going down to $38 today. all over the map. >> jeans. >> what gives me the tell that they've got it back together again? >> this is a coin flip situation. target and kohls keep going up. dillard's are hitting the ball
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out of the park. i remember when it was not that good. they are much more interesting to shop at than they used to be. >> mcdonald's is adding to its turnaround plans. they said the fast food chain plans to pare down its drive-through menu as a way to speed up orders. will boost items that cost between $1.50 and $3 giving customers more mid tier offerings they can choose from. >> what is not going to get in that line friday night, the one on exit 70 on the lie. the line was so long, i said forget about it. the long was to west hampton. you've got to get them through.
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the line was too long. >> i've been to that mcdonald's. >> and they've got to do a little bathroom cleaning. >> every other day we are getting a new announcement. the question is are you going to bring costs down for franchisees? >> this is about the franchisees getting more involved. he is responding to them it began to seem like a diner. they don't have the ability to make those things. the drive's through, he is doing the right things. so far i'm very impressed. he's on a listening tour. he's listening to what the franchise
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franchisees have to say. >> reminded me of other people on a listening tour. it's nice we don't cover politics. up next it's cramer's mad dash. let's give you another look at futures. it does appear we are going to have a down open this morning. at least if you were long the overall market. this caused on the fixed income side.
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eight minutes to the opening bell. rackspace failed to sell itself. some shareholders may be sad that was the case. >> this is cloud storage. people are going to interpret this as negative. it's an ugly day anyway. i think rackspace could do a boater job. people say listen maybe cloud stores isn't that good amazon. people extrapolate this. maybe they sell tableau data. those are stupid. that's a stupid thing to do but everyone has a right, a first amendment right to be as stupid as possible. go to jim cramer on twitter and you can see morons are allowed to be morons. there is a place for mediocrity at the supreme court and morons on twitter. rackspace is not the way to
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extrapolate, but you will because you don't know better. >> this is a rackspace specific problem. >> yes. >> comes down to execution? >> terrible execution. the president allowed shell to spend about $150 million to drill in the arctic. i have to tell you, i'm not going to insult weyerhaeuser. it's a great company. you are dumber than lumber if you think that arctic is going to be drilled. weyerhaeuser deserves better. this is the most expensive place on earth to drill. last i looked, oil is at $60. you cannot go up there and drill. you can't afford to drill in the
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permion. they can buy a company, they can buy a mother fracker. to drill in the arctic that's a fool's game. they spend so much money to drill in western canada. >> it's easier to drill on mars. >> there are great stories how difficult it is once winter sets in you can't move. >> they have a big winter. they have a 27-day summer up there. russia is a bad place to drill. world dutch drills in places you shouldn't drill with oil at these prices. arctic is a bet on $150 oil. the $15 billion barrels of the arctic. good luck. >> all right. we've got oil at about a little above $60. bond prices are going down. >> yeah. >> yields are going up.
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our stock market at least looks poised for a lower oil. >> german bund is in control. >> if you had taken that when it was negative rates. >> that's why it can go to 1% without a problem. >> maybe it should. >> german american thing we are following is extraordinary. that's what we are dancing to. whatever. >> got to dance to something. >> exactly. a waltz. >> we've got the opening bell after this.
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you've got yahoo rolling. >> people need to distinguish he would i'm telling you something i know and talking general themes. >> right. that's important. you are very quick to not say
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something versus other media outlets. >> this may not be the last thick to do. given their size that is something they could do. when you think ad tech you think yahoo has a strong portfolio there. >> to combine those two -- here is what we are saying. it would make sense if we could combine those two. that doesn't mean it will happen. it would make sense. yahoo will be worth very little after the spin. >> once they spin the alibaba stake. now they talked about trying to do something with the yahoo japan stake. what are you left with? you are left with how do you keep the business going on what
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are you selling? you can hear the applause building here as we get ready to ring the opening bell. you see the realtime exchange at hq getting ready. enova international, and gmhc with the annual aids walk here in new york. we have a tumultuous bond market. >> this pullback i thought friday we saw the big reversal that happened rapidly. now we are reversing friday's reversal. it's the speed of these moves. it's almost as if the bond market was trading like a small cap, like someone is buying up bonds and cornering them and dumping bonds and sending them down. it's happening way too quickly and it's too thin.
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the fed ought to make bonds available. this market acts like there this market is too thin. it's no one positioning bonds. >> talking about the deepest market in the world. >> that's what i'm used to i know. i thought i would never say that. it seems everybody is moving it around very easily. >> no one data point people can grab hold of here. maybe the bid to grab ratio in japan. this is good news potentially. europe is moving in the right direction. china yesterday. >> i saw a spike last night. china is going to rework and there is no need to continue to buy bonds if you're the ecb if their work is being done. they get a shock to the system. if china were to cut by 100 basis points we would see our interest rates spike but see
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earnings go up dramatically. people are so fixated on the bond market. rates are lower than in my whole life. it's like you have to go back the gi bill when you came back from world war ii to have these rates. >> we've become accustomed to it. >> i remember that. it's four times. my rates are, the 10-year is about to go through my last -- >> water actually getting a mortgage at. >> i've got 3.25% and 2.89%. >> i got 2.62%. >> who gave that you? >> wells fargo. i nailed it. i got very lucky. i think the 10-year was around 1.6. >> can't beat yours.
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>> i got a great rate and got lucky. yahoo shares are up. not much else on my screen up. let's mention hertz. >> funny statement came out. did you see that? it would be undue effort if they got the financials up. that's a new one. petrobras report friday. this is a new way to get around the s.e.c. undue effort and expense to file on time. >> i don't know what that means. >> guys i would love to file there's a lot of undue effort on my part to pay my taxes. undue effort. not only that but it would be expensive. >> you may call the company is in the midst of -- >> what? >> extensively reviewing prior year results and giving us different results. >> alpha. >> i'm not sure what they are delivering at hertz. >> it pulled the whole industry down. phil lebeau with how much worse the rental car companies are doing. my question is how do we even
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know? when you've got undue effort to do financials. last summer meeting a group of people saying they are about to report and i'll be surprised. no. this is a new thing. undue effort. >> undue effort. >> here we go with the ten-year. i did not think this was going to happen. it's happening so fast. >> highest yields since november. above 2.3% on the 10-year bond. >> it's tumultuous. >> ge they are going to have to make a strong effort with the eu. they already, of course in a sense sa t'edtsated the needs of the french government. >> i'm going to say something radical. if that deal if ge were to walk away and announced a buyback, instant buyback even in addition to their buyback -- >> they are doing a $50 billion buyback.
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>> i say add another $14 billion, that stock goes to $28. if they have to keep making concessions, they should tell the europeans, any of. we're walking away and take that additional money and buyback stock. it would change them back to be less of an energy company. nobody wants an energy company at $60. >> i don't think they are going to. >> not at all. they are going to make every concession. >> you think so. therefore, it will no longer be a good deal? >> that's what i think. up's sure ge disagrees. i think when you make concessions in europe you go down that slippery slope. >> mr. immelt's predecessor, jack welch, had the same problem with honeywell. >> eventually jack walked away. >> he had to. it was not an easy road to say
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the least. >> hi jack. jack watches the show. >> we've got biotechs down. biogen amgen among other bigger losers. >> biogen was up big the other day. the alzheimer formulation i'm waiting for. a lot of people the ms numbers were not that strong. this is a maintenance drug they have. biotech has been all over the place. i think about all the deals they happen at biotech. if any company comes down a lot, they've been eccentric in nature. >> mylan. the company chairman has been meeting with lots of fund managers and giving them his strong opinion why selling to teva would be a big mistake. we haven't heard from teva in a while. there is an expectation still
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perhaps teva will raise its bid. we will see. he's been very aggressive in terms of articulating why a sale to teva would be a very bad idea, and why he believes the stock price of mylan, if they were to do the perigo deal -- >> there was a lot of chatter on the activist call whether he should spin off his business. there is a free for all in generics. i mentioned the ms franchise. the clock is ticking on teva. >> they migrated a lot of their patient population from 20 milligrams to 40. mylan bringing them on the 40 milligram dosage and the way it's done and patent challenges. it's a big, big percentage of
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profits. that being said mylan for its part the epi-pen, do you know how much money they make on the epi-pen? enormous amounts. they raised the price dramatically. over the last five years. 15% increases. it seems constantly. >> i'm getting out my epi-pen. there is a better thing than epi-pen. >> what? >> i have a better thing in my bag i always carry. >> what is going to happen if you need it? you can't find it. >> i know my blood pressure dropped 80/50 last year when i was in shock after eating sardines. i would not stop that show. nick said stop the show. i said we finish the show. i was taking my blood pressure during the commercials. it went 90/50. i said i'm almost done the lightning round. i'll go to the hospital after. that's why i carry that thing. all you've got to do is go like
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this. if i can find it. that was not good i couldn't find it. >> give me price. >> this is better than the epi-pen. >> it's not the epi-pen. >> it's the new one. >> bob pisani is on the floor. >> thank you very much. all ten sectors of the s&p are to the down side. rising yields is the big issue. not surprisingly interest-rate sensitive sectors under pressure today. you look at reits, utilities, hell come home builders. all are leading the move to the down side. europe is weak. traders here have been driven crazy trying to figure out the sources of the rise yields. spain is under pressure. france across the border under pressure. is it the german bund driving things or u.s. fundamentals? some say rising inflation is
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obviously an issue. they are having trouble figuring out where the various sources of the influence are. you mentioned eded gap here. april sales down 12%. it's down 3% here. they are blaming it on the easter holiday. put up the full screen. gap reported much lower sales for the quarter, down 4% but their earnings guidance of 53 to 54 cents is in line with expectations. top line more than expected. earnings in line some big happened here. they just have amazing cost controls. they are not going to be reporting earnings until next week. we are going to have to wait till we get a lot of details. it is strange how they reconciled this particular decline. inventories up 4%. we'll likely see promotional activity at gap and banana republic. on the surface, this is not good news for the retailers. we talked about this yesterday. they are all reporting this
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week. ralph lauren jc penney. we already know that the numbers may not be as strong as some people hoped. stocks have been reflecting that. gap and dillard's, kohl's all them are down noticeably. gap is down 8%. dillard's, kohl's nordstrom have been weak. all those stocks are trading to the down side. gap is down 11% this quarter. we were hoping to get to 2120. we now 30 points away from that here. lowry's pointed out an important point.
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here is their comment this morning. the ability to consolidate gains by trading sideways is generally considered a sign of longer term strength. there has not been selling big on down days. i point that out as an indication people are not dumping stocks right now. a couple of things you want to look for here. with rising yields look for the banks. the kre which is the bank etf, regional bank etf is at the highest levels since march of 2014 right now. it's down today. yesterday it was up. people have been buying ever since we saw the yields starting to rise notably at the end of april. and higher yields in developed markets attracts funds from the emerging markets. stocks are down. eem, etf topped out at the end of april. that's when yields started
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rising here. you can see we've essentially been slowing moving down throughout all the month of may. there are two sectors, one winner and one loser influenced by the rise in yields. right now the dow down 137 points. back to you. >> thank you very much mr. pisani. time to move on to pall corp. you see shares are up sharply. this is a filtration company. does a lot of products for biotechnology industry filtrating things making them pure. pall corp is for sale. there are two potential buyers danaher and thermo fisher auction being led by goldman sachs. bids are due later this week. it had been a family company for
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many years. no stranger -- thermo fisher and danaher making the bids. no stranger to takeover talk in the past. their new ceo not a family member. came from danaher some time ago. what can danaher offer and what can thermo offer? danaher is in a position to offer all cash if it should choose to do so. $120 a share where the stock is i think it's close to that right? is thought to be a top here. that would be almost 20 times. talking about multiple ebitda as much as 18 times. jeffries weighs in on this. they say danaher has the upper hand. they could finance it. they could do all cash as i expect would be the case. they would be accretive. thermo, which is digesting life tech, remember that deal?
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over $13 billion deal. speaking of people familiar with its balance sheet at the very least think it could use as much as $3 billion to $4 billion in equity in a deal. it's not clear it would go all cash. here is jeffries weighing in on that part of it. let's say it's probable yoi going to probably going to be a higher number in terms of equity. they have to figure out what offers the best value. if you are looking for all cash danaher may be your better buyer. both companies known for their price discipline in purchases. thermo electron and danaher. >> we had mark casper on "mad money," ceo of thermo. this is an amazing company. they made a series of acquisitions where they are the go-to guy in you are a biotech company. you can't do business without their stuff. danaher moved aggressively in that area.
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this would put them in the life science company. thermo fisher goes up if they get it. >> i apologize for keep saying thermo electron. thermo fisher. there are so many different thermos. >> they are an acquisitive company. they know how to acquire. i think it's a very well run company. >> we don't talk about danaher that on. talking about $60 billion market cap company built on acquisitions and price discipline in doing them but has done a good job through the years. >> yes. remember it was a tools company only. these companies are sophisticated. they know how much to pay. that's why i say whoever gets it stock will go higher. mass spectometry. this is what they offer to a celgene or biogen.
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>> we'll watch that closely as pall corp heads towards that number. >> bond market figuring prominently. let's get an update from rick santelli in p chicago. good morning, david. when it comes to the reasons why interest rates are going up remember all the years where the fundamentals didn't quite line up with the equities, but you looked through that. you stay long you get a check when policy changes, you adjust. it doesn't seem like investors seem to have the same outlook when it comes to the fixed income markets. let me see. robust growth. don't think so. do we see the first quarter gdp? do we see what the land of fed looks at for the second quarter? overseas. china. third rate cut because they're cooking in greece? we know what's going on in greece. when guns are hot you get into a new part of the range. when guns are hot, margin's hot. so every tick higher in yield,
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somebody is losing money. they are all in the wrong position. how do i know? rates have been going up. they were in consolidation mode well below 2%. we have this rolling margin call in a very thin market. does it matter it started in jgbs? not really. jgbs sometimes trade by a point, liquidity. two day of 10s. clearly yields are moving up. d.c. last time we had a closing yield up here i don't know. when i look at that chart. the quick readjustment doesn't auger for fundamentals. argues for margin logistics, and hey, losing control of the marketplace when the well gets a bit poisons. jgbs 45 basis points but a big move since december. the bund market. briefly today, gets up to around 74 73 basis points.
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a couple of weeks ago got up to 78 basis points. we are only at 230 now. what is all the nervousness about? bunds are hot. france, their ten-year. flirting with 100 basis points. you think their economy improved that much in such a short period of time? look at spain getting close to 190. maybe the most interesting chart is the dollar index. do we think it's about the fed? if we did, this certainly wouldn't be going down it would be going up. loss of control started in europe. you can't squish a water balloon forever and think it's not going to pop out somewhere. it popped out. rates popped up. david faber, back to you. >> thank you, mr. santelli. she is helping elon musk take space flight to the next level. spacex is among the cnbc disruptor 50.
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good morning and welcome back to "squawk on the street." i'm simon hobbs with sara eisen and david faber. interesting day on the markets today. dow is currently down 139 points clearly all eyes on what is happening in the bond market at the moment. yields there clearly have been rising. yesterday was the worst day for the 10-year we had in a couple of months. we trade 3%. >> david kostin chief u.s. equity strategist from goldman sachs is live with us for an interview. >> labor secretary thomas perez will give us his first reaction to today's job openings and turnover data. >> and docusign getting $200 million in new funding that could push its valuation to as much as $3 million. we'll talk to the ceo in a few moments. this painting by picasso
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became the most expensive painting to sell at an auction, final price of $179 million. i was there. it was fun. christie's lead auctioneer will join us live post nine in about a half hour. looking forward to that. we start with the markets. dow down 150 points. market's in sell-off mode today. it's becoming more of a bond market story with yields on the march higher around the globe. joining us on set to discuss, david kostin chief u.s. equity strategist for goldman sachs. whether it's a bubble or just a bull market coming to an end in bonds, the worry is the run-up has been tremendous so the unwind could be fierce and ugly. do you worry about that? >> from an equity market perspective, equity market trades at high value. our forecast is ten-year u.s. treasury yields will be ending the year around 2.5%.
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the market trades u.s. equity market trades around fair value. as earnings move slowly higher markets generally rise in that direction. from a strategy perspective, we look more for cyclicals and lower valuation would be a good strategy at this environment. >> remember when everyone was talking about the great rotation that went in the bond market finally when the bull market was finally over in bonds? people pulled their money out and put it into stocks instead. why does that not seem to be happening? >> you look at the fund flows. most owners of bonds own it for a specific reason. the amount of assets that can rotate from bonds to equities is concentrated in a few areas, mutual funds, pension funds can reallocate. dollar flow is more modest than commonly perceived. the biggest source of demand for shares is corporate buybacks. corporate repurchases remain the key driver of the equity market. we just finished earnings
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season. the window now reopened. that is a key driver why the market may move slightly higher to the middle of the year. then there is concern about the fed hike would suggest that multiple will fade a little toward the end of this year to about 16 times. >> levels here 2150 for s&p 500 mid year then back to 2100 by the end of the year. basically, we go nowhere. >> market moves a little bit higher. historically speaking when the fed has tightened rates the first time you typically get around 8% pe multiple compression which would take us from 2150 towards 2011 at the end of this year. then a function whether the economy is improving as the economy improving as we anticipate, then earnings will go a little higher in 2016. >> let me take you back to where you started. house view is 10-year rates will be 2.5% by the end of the year. that's 20 basis points from where we are now. we have seven months to go?
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we move 13 basis points just yesterday. so the question really for everybody, i know you have the house view but are rates going to spike much higher here? rates far higher than 2.5% by the end of the year? >> argument from a rate market perspective it's a global readjustment begin extremely low rates in europe. so the bond yields in the u.s. are closer to fair value. we look at relative equities relative to bonds. the market is still pretty expensive. look at ebitda price-to-earnings, price-to-book value, fundamental measures suggest markets trade around key value. the u.s. economy is showing signs of improvement, from housing point of view labor market, all those would suggest the economy is getting better which would suggest strategically want to be in more cyclicals and lower valuation
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stocks. >> you are a great guy giving a great analysis of equity markets. i asked about treasuries and you skipped past it. is it you don't want to go there? the concern is we spike on treasuries? i appreciate you are an equity strategist. >> where bond yields are right now, they reflect reasonable fair value in the market expectation is they'll generally move higher from a perspective. rather own equities than fixed income. >> which equities you like to own. all the major s&p groups are getting beat up today. >> is technology at the bottom of your list? >> yes. the economy was expecting to be growing sharply strongly. that got decelerated from a variety of issues including weather. as that happened the defensives did much better. defensive stocks trade at almost 19 times forward earnings.
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19 times you buy cyclicals at 16 times forward earnings with a better opportunity if the economy improves. automobiles, airlines would be preferred areas to be in the market. lower valuation cyclicals is a good place to be. technology has better growth. we'll be looking for that. >> always good to check in with you, david. >> thank you. >> david kostin chief u.s. equity strategist at goldman sachs. breaking news on tesla. phil lebeau has that. >> the governor of maryland is signing a bill that will allow the direct sale of automobiles in that say the. the significance of this is that tesla will now be allowed to sell vehicles directly to customers in that state. that means there are now only two states in the country that do not allow the direct sale of automobiles, arizona and texas. those are the only two states left where tesla cannot do business directly with customers. maryland governor signing that bill as we speak. >> thank you very much. let's send it over to rick
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santelli santelli. >> for march, 4.994,000 in terms of job openings. that is well down from last month. keep in mind last month at 5.133 million was the best. since this number series began. it began in 2000 and basically 2000 is right about the time that we see 5.2 million plus to comp this to. since it was below last month, all we have to do is look at january which was 4.9 million. you can see the comp there. let's look at some of the internals here. there's a lot of them. on separations they are hovering around 5 million. not much of a change. p the quit rate in march about 2%. 1.8 million lay-offs and discharges. not much change there. finally, we continue to look at all the separations. this is purported to be a janet
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yellen favorite. interest rates. they are not paying attention to the data. it seems a lot of phone calls going out saying send more money or liquidate some positions. it's global. back to you. thank you. let's talk about one of the larger deals. it's not that larger deal but one of the bigger deals we've seen given aol getting bought by verizon. the greatest dot-com darling, if you will of its time. the wall garden it created that became the internet the incredible market cap accretion, its ability to get time warner to agree to acquire it. the failure of that marriage. aol then being spun off in '09 to a small company being run by tim armstrong. it announced it will be acquired for $54 a share by verizon.
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much of the reasoning behind this actually has to do not with content, though they have their stronger brand such as the huffington post and the like within aol, but with ad technology. ad serving. programmatic ad buying and the like. something that has come on during the last few years as a significant force in the delivery of ads to mobile devices, in particular video being delivered to mobile as verizon does with its service. that being broader and broader, broadband almost if you will. its needs to want to become the larger player in those wireless digital platforms. here is the ceo of aol tim armstrong describing verizon's ambitions. >> there's a larger strategy. verizon, which has been centered around making the connection from the home to the phone to the car very easy for content and services. i think what you'll probably end
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up with is a much deeper relationship with verizon over time in terms of verizon doing a very good job of serving you better content and better commerce opportunities. aol will be one piece of that. >> they'll bring you the content, but they'll bring you the ad buying that goes along with it and conceivably charge more. aol, one of the leaders in that area yahoo also. google and facebook. google with its doubleclick acquisition of many years ago. i spoke with barry diller friday. he brought up the idea of programmatic content. >> i do not particularly like sole advertiser support eded content, for obvious reasons. advertising is -- in this world where there is so much internet
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inventory and so much coming on every day and programmatic pricing and all of that to have no pricing power because nobody in content, digital content has any pricing power. >> the deal for verizon is small given its enormous size. but it does beg the question as to whether it is the first of what will be a larger effort in ad tech if you will and whether there will be other acquisitions behind it. also then building out this important part of what is the growth area of advertising, if you will. it's no longer about me taking to you lunch and you buying a spot or you buying this. it's put it into the algorithm. simon was looking at a cruise and maybe we'll get him to sign up because he didn't come back to the site. >> and video. >> blending the two top stories together. we got that deal a ten-year treasury note yield at 2.30%. is there a sense of urgency on
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these corporations and executives to get the deals done before rates go higher? >> i don't know. in totality rates are low. if you think rates are going to move higher cost of capital goes up you do perhaps want to get stuff done. that being said if rates are going higher because the economy is performing better perhaps the company you are buying will earn more. i don't know that it's the driving force if we were moving up substantially to 7% or 8%. it might be different. >> okay. did you see what glaxo ceo said yesterday? he was suggesting there were stretched m&a within pharmaceuticals because of cheap financing. the labor text thomas perez will join us live with his first reaction to the new jobs data and what it says now about the economy.
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the number of job openings declining in march to 4.99 million. slightly worse than people expected. let's get first reaction from the labor department. joining us in a first on cnbc interview labor secretary thomas perez. good morning to you. >> good morning.
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>> good to see you, sir. what did you make of the data? >> i look at the data and i look at it relative to not just a month ago, but a year ago. roughly 5 million openings now. it's about 800,000 more than we had a year ago. i look at the number of people who voluntarily quit. that is a good bellwether of a vibrant economy. we are roughly 2.7, 2.8 million now. we look at where we were in the depths of the recession. it was 1.6 million people voluntarily quit because people were scared to quit. there were almost 7 job seekers to one job opening and we are now down to 1.7 which is very much in the right direction. i'm not a math major, but i would rather compete with one other person than six other people for a job opening. this and other data points show the economy is moving in the right direction. our first-time claims for unemployment are as low as
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they've been since when bill clinton was president. that's a good sign. consumer confidence is near the best it's been in about seven, eight years. auto sales continue to go at a very good pace. when you add up all these numbers, we clearly have the wind in our back. >> mr. secretary, i don't think anybody would disagree with the idea that the economy is headed in the right direction. the economy is growing. the question is the speed of the growth. particularly in the wake of the data we had on friday. obviously, the dust settled on the employment report. oecd today is suggesting that growth appears to be slowing down. would you agree with that? s. >> well, i would look at last year and then compare it to this year. the first quarter growth numbers last year were not good. then the second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter were significantly better. we seem to be on a similar
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trajectory this year. first quarter growth numbers are not what we wanted and i don't know if that's just winter weather or other factors. >> sorry to interrupt you there, but the difference between last year and the rebound we saw this year is it's not just about the weather. we've also got a significantly stronger u.s. dollar. we've got that tremendous decline in oil prices and the havoc that's wreaking in the energy industry. the fear is we won't get that sharp snap back in the economy because these other actors are weighing on us. >> time will tell. the drop in oil prices has been in the aggregate for consumers a great thing. when i go to the gas station, i'm paying less for gas. the average family has literally hundreds of dollars in their pocket that they didn't have a year ago. what do they do with it? they spend it. for people who are working in the industry we've seen
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undeniable job impacts in the oil sector. for the economy and the aggregate, it is a net plus. would you rather have lower gas prices or higher gas prices? i would rather have lower gas prices. i think 99-100 americans would agree with that. it remains to be seen the impact of that. we are certainly monitoring the dollar issue because that impacts our ability to export as robustly as we have done in the past. that is an issue we will watch. >> mr. secretary, just on the subject of the jobs data itself it said something that the "new york post" decided to write about it it's obviously getting more profile. however, the criticism in today's newspaper, and it is fairly scathing is that your department could be double triple or quadruple counting. the argument goes if you put a contract out for the defense department maybe 20 companies
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will advertise jobs to fulfill it, but ultimately one company will win. what do you make of that criticism? >> every time we seem to have good jobs reports, there is somebody out there, whether it's jack welch or somebody else who says the numbers are cooked or the methodology is unsound. i have tremendous faith in the integrity of the process from the bureau of labor statistics. every time i hear these criticisms, i can't help but laugh. the numbers, they speak for themselves. i think the accuracy and methodological rigor used is absolutely above board. >> all right. i want to ask you quickly, mr. secretary, about the impact of the potential trade deal that trans pacific partnership that the president has been touting. i was in beaverton talking to nike about how it's going to bring jobs back to this country. have you done any studies quantifying that? do you know how much of a lift it would be to our labor market
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if the president can get the trade deal passed? >> here what is we know about export-related jobs. the president had over the last six years committed to doubling the number of exports and we succeeded. that resulted in something like 1.6, 1.7 trade related jobs. we know on average trade related jobs pay on average about 15% to 20% more than other jobs. i would rather -- you look at states like washington state, which is the most trade dependent state in the united states. their economic growth has exceeded the national average. they had the highest minimum wage in the country over the last ten years. i would like to have the economy of washington state throughout the country. we would be doing very well there. i think there's a lot of evidence that suggests that the
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more export-related jobs we have, both in the service sector and in the manufacturing sector the better wages. the unfinished business of this recovery is wage stagnation. i want to do my best to create jobs that pay good wages and trade-related jobs in the aggregate pay very good wages. >> good to see you, sir. thank you for sparing the time. labor secretary thomas perez from d.c. the dow is down about 144 right now. let's head over to dom chu. more trouble for lumber liquidators. the company is facing a ton of lawsuits and investigations over these allegations of high levels of formaldehyde in some of its flooring products. scott cohn reports the insurance carriers are refusing coverage for this situation. lumber liquidators issued nine carriers over these claim denials. we'll watch the next phase unfold. it is a drama. thank you.
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welcome back to "squawk on the street." we want to call your attention when one part of the for-profit education segment, the s.e.c. announced fraud charges against itt education surfs so. the company as well as its chief executive officer and cfo daniel fitzpatrick. the s.e.c. does allege the national operator of for-profit colleges and two executives fraudulently concealed from investors the poor performance
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and looming impact of two student loan impacts the company guaranteed. esi, itt education services is a very small cap company. still, it's just one more sign the for-profit education industry is under intense scrutiny. we'll keep an eye on this. our next guest is helping users securely sign and manage online documents. they are managing a $233 million round of financing as they push toward worldwide expansion. keith krach is ceo of docusign. congratulations, welcome. >> thank you so much. >> what kind of figures are you seeing when it comes to
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electronics signatures that made it to number 13 on our list and now raised $233 million in financing? >> we are seeing this whole new category of digital transaction management as being the first phase in company's digital transformation large and small. now we have over 100,000 companies that have standardized on docusign, 50 million unique users and putting over 50,000 unique users on a day. >> is it true we are hearing that it's a $3 billion valuation. can you confirm that for us? >> we don't focus on the valuation. what we do focus on is our customers and value proposition. our growth numbers speak for themselves. the thing driving that valuation is first of all, everybody gets that this is one of the biggest
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markets in the world. the second thing is the value proposition for our customer in terms of quantifiable ror, impacting top and bottom line and reducing the risk in terms of security and compliance and give their customers' customers a great experience. adobe is one of the biggies. what is your edge when it comes to getting these fortune 500 companies an sending 1,300 employees and sales people on the road pitching your service. >> what we have done is we are building out the docusign global trust network. if 2 you look at these investments we made in bank class security carrier class availability, and inneropability, sales force, google visa samsung, have not
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only invested in docusign but they are great customers and great go to market and technology partners for us. >> how do you make money here? >> is it a license fee? do you sit within sap structure and sap will give you a fee on behalf of their clients? >> it is a classic assess model. when you look at senders, those are the models that pay. for signers, it's all for free. we have a number of companies re-signing sap. it's a classic sas model. >> moving forward, what else could you do with technology? could you, for example, be a way of moving money or credit around? >> that's one of the great
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things about digital transaction management platform is that we have a gateway to work with all the payment suppliers. hence, the strategic relationship with companies like visa. if you look at what we provide, we could grab documents from anywhere data from anywhere and a powerful work flow engine with multiple levels of authentication. you get that audit trail along the way. that is what we focus on at that point in terms of the transaction. up to this point, has been totally unautomated. >> you sold your previous business to sap. how do you think about the future of this company? is that the goal to sell it off
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for billions of dollars? would you tap the public market next time around? give as sense of what you're thinking. >> sure. aribba was around 17 years as a public company. close to $1 trillion of e-commerce goes through the ariba network our business is in the long term for centuries to come and building out that docusign global trust network. that's one of the reasons why, particularly in the last couple of rounds you've seen the long term institutional public shareholders come in along with the strategic partners. our sights are set on the long term and building a great company. we have a chance to change the way business is done and change the way people live their lives. >> bigger than ariba. we'll quote you on that. thank you for joining us keith.
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>> thank you. >> tune into "squawk alley" for moderna ceo who got the top spot on our list. and spacex company and ceo will be live on "squawk alley." >> markets feeling the pressure as bond yields rise again. ten-year touching highest levels since november. art cashin who said watch the ten year will join us after this.
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good morning, i'm sue herera. secretary of state joran kerry and sergey lavrov took part in a wreath-laying ceremony in russia. they laid the wreaths at a world war ii memorial. after, the two men strolled to their meeting with mr. kerry stopping to talk to some russian high school students along the way. another powerful earthquake hit nepal killing at least 42 people and sending panic through that country. 1,100 were injured. it was a 7.3 magnitude quake centered near mount everest and felt all the way to new delhi, india. french president francois hollande met with cuban leader
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raul castro. commenting later that castro looked physically deteriorated. >> you can call him dr. kanye west after a school awarded him an honorary doctorate. he briefly attended an art school in chicago, quitting to pursue stardom. taking a look at the major indices off the lows here. lower across the board as the focus turns to the bond market. we are joined by art cashin director of floor operations at ubs financial services. the eye of the storm shifted from the currency market to the bond market. these moves are unsettled equity investors. >> no question. we had a sell-off now for several days in bonds. accelerated overnight when the
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bond auction in japan needed more than a few flea collars. that then accelerated and somewhat intensified the selling in europe. it had the aspects of kind of a general generalized margin call. looked like people who couldn't get the money out of bonds they might need began selling things like equities and we saw the stock markets weaken. for today, it looks like the mental line in the sand that investors have is 2.3% in the ten-year. >> we are below that now. >> that's why pressure on equities eased. if you go above that you'll start to see further selling pressure in stocks. >> i think the big question is is this it? is the big bond bull market over? and in the "financial times ","
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they said it is just a correction. it says they are far from robust notwithstanding the slow and careful decupling of the u.s. federal reserve policy and central banks will remain ultra-loose with the likelihood of further stimulus in the months ahead, particularly europe and china. that is an argument for low interest rates to stay low. maybe not as ridiculously low in negative territory as we've seen. that would suggest it's not a huge stumbling block here. >> i would agree that the economies around the world are less than robust. this is not necessarily a reflection that they believe the fed is going to move any time quickly. this is the bond vigilantes. we can remember what happened in
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2008. sometimes the markets don't follow a rational pattern. i do believe he's right that the economies don't necessarily call for higher rates. nevertheless we are beginning to see them. that was pretty widespread what we saw in the last 24 hours. >> he also works for pimco, of course. he is not without. he is funded by pimco. >> allianz. >> yes. other thing interesting are these air pockets that keep emerging. no apologies for discussing it again. you have this huge amount of money from qe and ultra-low interest rates that we'll skate through the door. there isn't the trade inging volume to handle it. >> that is absolutely kroekt. the bond market appears far less
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licked than it normally would. they are having a disproportionate impact. >> and sovereign debt. >> it's stuff ordinarily you would think, besides the corex market the next deepest has been the treasury market. it's not showing that liquidity everybody is hoping for. >> where does the next move come from? does it come from what's happening in the german bond market? we are still getting retail earnings. what are you going to be watching? >> i'll be looking at retail sales. i don't think the economy is that strong. i will begin to look for more indications in the labor market. while everybody thought the payroll number was somewhat goldilocks it might have been
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partially de partially deceptive and i expect the number to be down wards next time out. >> energy as an s&p sector almost turned positive. does that mean anything for equities? >> i think you have to be careful with oil because the geopolitical tides are moving rapidly. there is a great deal of reporting that the saudi king didn't come because he wanted to send a message. i'm sure part of that is true. we think there are other aspects. some people believe it could be health reasons involved. and this wasn't going to be a meeting. it was more of a photo op. why bother come all the way? the geo politics of what's happening in yemen and all about are playing on the oil. >> on the oil market. we are coming back here bouncing off the lows with the dow down only 46 points. maybe the soothing words of art cashin. >> sometimes happens. >> good to see you as always. >> up next on the program, this
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picasso sit a world record becoming the most expensive painting at auction with a final prays of $180 million. we'll talk to the auctioneer that conducted that sale. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
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the worst performers. then alliance data systems and micron not far behind. yahoo is up about 1%. yahoo may be higher on this aol/verizon deal. this may put a value on maybe not so given the verizon deal. aol and verizon shares not just the only focus for investors. yahoo up today, as well. >> an interesting deal. thanks, dom. a moment of real money, high drama in new york last night. christie's. picasso's picture of semi naked
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cortisa cortisans, with two calling in until one knocked the other out. christie's lead auctioneer joins us. >> it's extraordinarily robust. we've got buyers all over the world competing. last night i took 45 bids in that 11:34. huge competitions. bids were going up $1 million. $180 million, what a price. >> it's interesting. when i arrived and sat in the press pen, the old-timers said it's all fixed. they've done the deals before. you can see in the reserves you have. when you see two people by phone going backwards on phone battling it out, then $500,000 you allowed on one of the raises, that would suggest it's not fix. >> not fixed in any sense. it's a transparent market. we have four five bidders, bidding $100 million. competing one against the other. i took 45 bids. it's a slow process and
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measured. when i'm splitting the bids because they are making an important decision. how far do you want to go it? 's the most expensive artwork ever sold. the three most expensive objects ever sold at auction sold at the last coming in by phone may well have been people up in the boxes behind the opaque screens. talk me through this if you would. >> there are around 600 people in the room as you witnessed. behind the scenes around 80 clients in our sky boxes, which are basically an area where they can maintain their privacy. they'll be bidding on telephones down into the room with our senior directors, many of whom were taking those bids last night. brett gorvey was taking bids all evening with people in the sky boxes. >> this is market you have to create every six months you
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have to persuade people to part with high-priced works of art. you have to create a guarantee system for them. you have to ensure enough people turn up in the room you have to insure that it's presented in the right order. what lessons did we learn last night? >> it's no problem getting the right people in the room. if the art you're selling is high, high caliber, the masterpieces, that's what christie's focuses on. the better the art you sell the more people want to come in the market and sell their own works of art. many decisions were made last night to sell masterpieces that perhaps otherwise wouldn't have come on to the market. when the market is hot, it's time to sell and buy. it's the time to buy the very best artworks. when the market is soft nobody wants to sell and if you're in the market buying at that time you're taking a big risk you may not be buying a masterpiece. 75% of the works sold last night came from museum exhibitions, this was the very very best. here in new york we were selling the very best last night and
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that's why prices were so strong. >> how do you determine whether the market is too hot? what do you say to those who say, the art market is in a bubble? how do you figure this out? >> well a picasso will always be a picasso. he's the mozart of the 20th century. and a jack metti is the greatest sculptor of the 21st century. monet, greatest impressist painter. qualities that already resonates. these artists will always be great. what they're worth and how much people are prepared to pay for them is purely about the number of the people in the marketplace. there's never been so many people in the art market as they are today and they come from all over the world. they come from the middle east they come from asia mainland china. america and europe. >> you see just before you go unlike sotheby's, you're privately owned by a french millionaire, francois pinot. arguably as businesses go not a hugely profitable operation,
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terribly glamorous. are you aware of being part of a large group and being a feeder to push the high-net individuals through the other products and other divisions within that? >> francois pinot is first and foremost an art collector, his passion is buying works of art, supporting contemporary artists. he has two great museums in venice, and he really loves the business that we're in he's one of the most extraordinary collectors who really understand what is motivates people to get engaged in artwork. so actually christie's is is a very separate part of his business. >> nice to see you. good luck for the rest of the week. >> i love being in new york. thank you. >> yes, so do i. the lead auctioneer from christie's. >> next time bring a pink diamond, will you? >> let's get over to the cme group, with rick santelli. >> good morning, sarah and my special guest, jim buy ankoianco.
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you spent a lot of time around trading rooms. do you think in trading rooms last night over the last couple of weeks in the fixed income markets the discussions are, wow, think growth is doing well. we need to sell our position. or do you think it's more like holy cow, i'm offsides i got a call from my broker it's up another couple of base points i need to sell something. >> i think the "holy" is but not the "cow" that came after it the liquidity in 9 market is poor. if you take a step back if you look at a chart of the 10-year u.s. yield, you're looking at a chart of every 10-year yield across the globe, they're all doing the same thing. so it's not just our country did this or john williams said something yesterday. >> you don't think the spanish italian, french u.s. all of these economies, japanese in the last week and a half have gained a lot more horsepower? >> or gotten synchronized at
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all. there's no liquidity in these markets. the big buyer with central banks, you drive rates to negative yields and you get no one that wants to buy them and some people come out and say, it's time to short them or short them on massive leverage. because there's no liquidity, everybody runs to the other side. you get an outside move. >> okay. what do you think about this statement -- well i think 10-years are moving a bit away from fair value what do you think of that statement? >> i don't know where what fair value is. >> how can anybody tell where fair value is the federal reserve bought in a well-advertised way. the europeans came in a very not well-advertised and sporadic way. markets moved a certain way and they've given it all back and much quicker time. makes sense. liquidation is always faster than distribution, isn'tst not? >> it's true. even the distributions in this environment are getting faster too. do we all remember february 1st not that long ago we were 162 in the 10-year note.
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we ran way down on the other side of the equation as well. >> less than a minute. it's all about stocks we all know and we've said it a million times together james, that they only hedge against a really dire fall in equity values is buying treasuries. but, the investor has to make that choice. how does it work in reverse, jim? >> i don't know how it's going to work in reverse until stocks were it take a big loss here. no one is going to sell stocks at 18,000 just because treasury yields are doing what they have done. >> if you see a 17,000 all of a sudden the investor thinks, wow, i don't want to own stocks then that dynamic of the trap door the automatic adjustment process, they would buy treasuries. final word on all of this volatility? >> i think the one thing you got to be careful of is with valuations, as yellen said let's give her some credit. that the market is high valuation, but there's 0 low yields, be careful, because if you yields if we're wrong and yields are going to spike much higher -- >> exponential moves. >> that's going to hurt the stock market. >> it's got to grab a lot of
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