tv Squawk Box CNBC November 7, 2019 6:00am-9:00am EST
it is thursday, november 7, 2019 "squawk box" begins right now. >> good morning. welcome to "squawk box" here i'm andrew ross scorkin. is this your first time here on the new set. >> it is thrilling >> one minute into the show, it is thrilling call her in three hours. >> i assume she meant that >> she meant that seriously. u.s. and china have agreed to phase out the tariffs imposed on the trade war. getting straight to eunice yoon
with more. >> thank you, andrew the commerce ministry said negotiators agreed to canceling tariffs in stretches the additional tariffs or some of them had to go. also the ministry said from beijing's perspective, the tariffs needed to be lifted at the same time by the same amount, how much could be negotiated the time and place of the deal signing has yet to be decided. since then, the state media has been really focused on the point that if the u.s. wants to have a trade deal, there has to be a removal of tariffs the state meeting says these
have to be removed together saying this shows them as equals separately today, the authorities here sentenced nine people to joail including one with a suspended death sentence for smuggling fentanyl into the united states. as a sign that there was some calculated move behind this decision, the commission had said after the sentencing that the decision was made in accordance with the consensus reached between presidents xi and president trump. suggesting that president trump had influence in the final decision about these people. >> thank you for that report we'll keep our eyes on how the markets relate to all of this. >> the china trade comments du
jour yesterday, the comment was, we won't be ready for brazil or wherever they were thinking. >> nothing until december. >> we were up 80 and go to zero. >> it can flip around quick. >> today it is up but not a percent. >> close to a record high. we are maintaining that neighborhood in corporate news, the justice department has charged two twitter employees for spying saying they used the platform for information and gave it to kingdom officials. one of the men charged is an associate of the soaudi prince. >> the parent company of google alphabet has formed an independent committee to look
into issues of sexual harassment the move came after several share holder groups sued the company in january alleging the board breached investigations including andy rubin he was let go and paid a $90 million severance package after reports say sexual assault charges were found as credible and reviewing the behavior of chief legal officer david drummond who is accused of having relationships with employees including one who says they had a child together while he was still married drummond made $47 million last year
>> google has been holding discussion about changing its political ad policy saying it would ban political ads, facebook said it would keep them google is discussing the plan across all of their platforms. there is facebook and twitter. google could break the dead lock >> and what to do about it >> do you think facebook gets pressured? >> probably. i'm hoping they don't. we differ on this. i'm a big boy. if i see crazy stuff, i usually know it is crazy i'll check to see what date i need to be at the polls. >> unfortunately --
>> i know. the same ones who don't know who pence is >> i know. the issue is maybe about microtargeting the idea that they can show you one ad because they have a view about how you are thinking about something. >> if i gave off any indication of how i feel. >> because you hold that so close to your chest. >> they can guess. california investigating facebook over privacy practices. the state attorney general announced a lawsuit. california prosecutors began probing in 2018 after saying that data on as many as 87 million users had been
improperly shared with cambridge analytical you get in right before the show starts, so i did not get to talk to you enough about yesterday. what was the lead. what happened yesterday? >> we'll talk about it we are going to have some sound later. i will say, it felt magical. >> if you can say so yourself. >> it was tremendous >> i saw you walking by that sign of you. >> you were walking by >> it was an electronic screen it changes >> i'm starting to realize who i'm dealing with here. >> between muilenburg's comments
and air bnb sits down and breaks the news as we are sitting there, he is changing the whole company's policy kim kardashian and kris jenner show up and kanye is with them then i think i should ask kanye a question i give him a mic and he starts answering. and reed hastings made some comments >> this turned into one of the biggest things the cnbc deal book conference. can we take credit for it? >> we are all having fun together >> i take some satisfaction, some pride in my colleague >> that's so nice.
heart warming. >> i'm taking these tapes. >> so much surprise. such crap. right kyle >> kyle on the camera. >> coming up, get ready for the trading day. we have a run down of the earnings and the data that could move the markets in today's session. "squawk box" coming right back >> announcer: today's big number, 75%. that's how many s&p 500 companies have topped earnings expectations so far this earnings season. better than the long-term average of 65% geico makes it easy to get help when i need it. with licensed agents available 24-7, it's not just easy. it's having-jerome-bettis- on-your-flag-football-team easy. go get 'em, bus! ohhhh! [laughing]
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gopro. drop box and bookings holdings i always like to say today's trade talk du jour it is like exact same, single best >> record high >> fresh record high >> we could go on and on >> stairs of roku are tumbling revenue of $261 million was higher than expected it spent more to attract sub describers the company raising guidance in line with wall street estimates. andrew >> we have some news just out literally moments ago, neilson the company is spinning off to a separate globally traded company. joining us now with that news is
neilson holdings ceo let's talk about this. it is literally just happening explain what is happening. >> i got here 11 months ago. most of that time has been spent looking at two multimillion dollar business. one is connecting the numbers of what people spend in the consumer retail world. the other is the media business that rates everything that people watch on every screen, which is the source of truth two great franchises but have little to do with each other in the end, we believe, i believe our share olders will get the most value being able to trade both separately. >> once these companies are separated, if you are looking at these two, you are going to start to think what kind of multiple can i put on each
how are they going to look separate is what are the comps? how have you thought about that? >> ultimately because these are sources are truth, they don't tend to have direct competitors. in the media market, you'll look at the growth of the media industry at large because almost everything is rated by neilson the margins are in the 40s and put that multiple. the other will grow the rate of the package. margins are more in the teens. it costs more to collect all that data. it is just different >> when you say you are going to implement that multiple. i would imagine bankers and lawyers sat at a table with you and told you the numbers >> i'm not going to share what we discussed in our board room ultimately, the market is going
to decide today. >> back in 2016, your stock was $56. now it is $20. presumably, the desire to divide these businesses is going to unlock a value what should the stock be worth based on that? >> our board took a very deep look at the business to put an exact number doesn't make sense here. because we trade, we'll know in a little bit of time how it trades we do believe the value is higher over time as they trade separately we do believe this unleashes value. folks are excited to be on their own. i think media is growing because they are changing. >> where is the faster medgrowth
>> in the media business >> and you are staying >> it will take 9 to 12 months to separate. when we separate, i have already accepted the position as ceo of the media company. we are looking for a ceo for the business connect company we have some great internal candidates >> do you actually think there is a again win operational distinction. >> they are completely different. >> they shouldn't have been together to begin with >> there was a logic years ago they were separated. if you measure everything people watch and buy, it could correlate. the measure of what people buy is package goods
>> i know you want to do this as a tax efficient spin off is there any chance, have you explored, has anyone come to you with an acquirer for either or both of these? >> we had a lot of options we looked all of those and compared those to this plan which is going faster on the plan we are on we concluded this was the very best plan for our share holders. >> there is nobody who is going to jump out of the business and say we want to buy the connector the media business >> by and large we are focused on the deals review and not discussions. >> is that a tax efficient way
to deliver value >> absolutely. >> thank you good to see you. coming up, senator elizabeth warren's wealth tax gaining attention from billionaires like bill gates >> when you say $100 million, i start to do the math about what do i have left over. >> how did senator warren respond, we'll be right back
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>> well welcome back to "squawk box" this morning. bill gates drawing the attention of senator elizabeth warren after a comment he made yesterday with me at the dealbook conference. >> i've paid over $10 billion in taxes. i've paid more than anyone in taxes. i'm glad to have -- if i had to pay $20 billion, it is fine. when you say i should pay $100 billion then i'm starting to do a little math about what i have left over. sorry. i'm just kidding you really want the incentive system to be there you can go a long ways without threatening that >> have you ever talked with elizabeth warren about that? >> no, i have not. >> would you want to >> i'm not sure how open minded she is or if she'd be willing to sit down with somebody who has a large amount of ney. >> senatorren tweeted, i'm wayspy tet with people if ave different vis. bill gates, loveexpln exactly much'd pnder my wealth billion.it is no$100 say ould be anone e ta diti $6 ion. >> includihe cal gns >> he ma payotal$12 >> iundse he may already give or take a couplllio here or ther at i interesting he does -- he is a advocate progssive tax systembut that 6% level, he habit different viewi t think it is o effoo saome ney. i think it is a philosophical vi 'm not even close to ionaire. i knowis ack to you. have spent a lot of sort of defen thasiti rentlythe y tht isportrayed on on comedy, they are jo abo it i get th shou i defend that when all yoare going to be is t et of a class warfar ment so forget abt ithes my problem,d nt to look at gates ny of these pe as gative to soci n you create wealth and do really great things in your life i think bill gates i look at that $10 billion and think that is really, really great that this man in his life is in a position to pay $10 billion in taxes i don't think he stole $10 billion that you would diffy it up between all the people unable to have it because he has it that's the mentality that drives me crazy that is not even including fiote
things employees and taxes that they pay, share holders that pay taxes. maybe not enough then the giving pledge lee cooperman signed now the object of all the derision that he's crying. it is totally skewed let's get them all i'm with you let's storm the gates. >> you are not with me bill gates to me is the most consequential individual of the entire era both in the private and public sector. >> any of these guys that do all of this incredible stuff in addition to paying huge tax bills. >> one of the things i will say, this is true with what bill was saying, there are all sorts of
other low hanging fruit. i think pushing back for as long as -- i think with a push back over time against raising capital gains, carried interest, against all these other things along the way has created this time and moment. i think from a fairness perspective, had some of these other things that seemed so out of whack we dealt with, we had been dealing with. >> you mean if we had been taxing all along >> there is never enough >> no, no. >> can we talk about what we are going to spend it on >> look, i'm -- >> why do we spend so much time talking about spending when we don't know what to do with it when we get it
>> i'm not going to disagree with that. >> but the side that elizabeth warren had -- >> did you see the piece by neil erwin in the "times. he described the wealth tax as like a cigarette tax the goal of the tax is for it to be less of it. that is a new way of framing the issue. >> and he was in support of that >> no. he was trying to describe the new way. >> at "the new york times. >> might start reading it. >> it makes you think about what the goal of the tax is usually it is to raise revenue this is to do something else >> they will go elsewhere. >> all these guys will go
elsewhere. >> we blow it now a lot of it. >> that goes to the heart of a lot of these guys. why should i give my money to these guys when i can self-direct it on my own >> bill is doing, godi think, gs work with his wealth a lot being used by others for lobbying efforts and things. i think he would like to clean that up too. part of the problem is there hasn't been an effort to clean up enough of the low-hanging fruit. >> or use their money period >> no. that's not a good way. i don't like that cause. >> i would suggest to you certain 503 c 3 s are mass
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. >> live from the nasdaq marketsite in times square futures are jumping after china's commerce ministry says u.s. and china have agreed to phase out the tariffs that came from the trade war the response is triple digits. some of this is either, you know, we are waiting for other things to be said that maybe throw a wrench in the works or the reason we are at new highs is because we had hopes we'd get to this day. >> some other news to bring you this morning the stock of the real real, the largest on line luxury consignment has dropped since a
cnbc investigation story aired a few days ago revealing how copyrighters under strict cotas are authenticating items after the ceo says there are no fakes being sold and that items are being looked at by experts. they aired a statement saying, quote, we strive for perfection but cannot be perfect every time sa and said there is no other company doing as much work to fight against counterfeits >> it got to the point where their volume just got to be too much >> hard to authenticate.
>> right there are those trained and then the copywriters who are those tasked with writing the blurbs describing each thing. >> there is someone with an exchange for sneakers. they would look add the shoe, smell the shoe not the easiest to figure out. >> not at all. there are some very good fakes >> down at canal street, there are a lot of good fakes. >> does it really matter you know how you can tell the really good fakes. the number of stitches does it really make that much difference
>> are you going to pay the same amount >> i'm not going to get the luxury i'm not going to get either. i don't know what a $3,000 bottle of wine tastes like do you >> no. i'm good with the two buck chuck. >> that's what i meant i've seen you out there with the md 2020. >> little zima >> thunder bird. i used to say that i don't look at the vintage, i look at the alcohol content for the wine or the beer >> that's one way to go. >> people send in, i thought there was something wrong with you. 3:45, it ishard to be a real drinking problem my problem is that i'm half asleep hard to have a drinking problem when you get up at 3:45.
>> that's true i drink a lot of pelegrino water. >> i miss a lot of late night tv just don't want to be in any of them >> moving on to softbank they reported their first quarterly loss the market had a chance to react. stock falling more than 2% saying they would not call wework a rescue. allowing the company to reduce the average share price it paid. he said it was an exception. they will make no investment for the purpose of a rescue. companies must be self-financing >> exceedia sharpedia shares han also cut its full year guidance.
shares of trip advisor are under pressure 58 cents a share when wall street was looking for 69 cents. announced a joint venture with trip.com >> and booking holdings reports tonight. that will be interesting coming up, the latest on the xerox bid. our next guest has been watching the case and the cofounder of post mates will be here to talk about the bid to take the company public stay tuned you are watching cnbc. ♪
hp has been on our raid odar. with us don wilson we shouldn't be surprised that he's involved in the whole fuji maneuver >> right we think he's already on the other side at hp my business is about providing people intel into what could happen one of the places we look for signs of activist is the filing of investment banks that put people into swaps. they were the biggest hp buyer in q 2 31 million shares. that doesn't just happen we started thinking why would somebody be at hp?
there is not really a good activist playbook there. there is a few things you could do here and there with pivoting. there's not a good operational move other than what was announced yesterday. we started banging away with this on october 2. we do not have confirmation that icon is there. that would make the most sense he would be in a position to push from both sides >> are a lot of these orders coming from florida? >> you had to switch where you watch for carl, i guess. for anyone doing something like this, once they move >> right eventually, somebody else has to be on the line and put you on one of these swaps whether credit suisse, ubs they have an obligation to report it. it closes a loophole >> andrew loves him. do you have this guy's card?
>> i do follow him but don't know each other. we have to get to know each other. >> this sounds like blue horseshoe. >> do you follow private plans >> after we stocked out the proxy thing, they shut off our service. we lost our service. >> getting back to the hp deal, is this not part of carl icahn's playbook >> not necessarily they are known for disclosure. water marked for some reason, the sec has allowed him to operate that way. he has found a way to skew the
system so he doesn't have to report someone else may have reported for him. >> does it make it more likely this deal gets done if it is icahn? >> most likely yes and i think it would be a good deal it is not a situation where you are looking for a natural health where one stock will go down a lot and the other will go up i think there is an opportunity for both stocks to go up >> sir lawrence wilde. why are you laughing >> what else do you got? >> talk about a deal where you are slinking around and looking into things. >> you realize people pay for him that information >> all gone legally.
>> i'm not dumpster diving >> never >> never >> have you? is. >> no, never >> thanks for playing along. it is kind of neat just the cloak and daggar aspect of this stuff. >> coming up, when we return, uber, lyft, peloton. some of the worst performing what is going on with the public versus private ventures. we'll discuss that with our next guest. >> announcer: don't forget to subscribe to our podcast you'll get entinterviews and ben the scenes broadcasts.
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maybe there is a continuum of tech companies. there's really high margin tech companies that have low marginal cost as they produce more things, and there are companies that are -- use technology, but they have lower marginal costs and i think what you're seeing is that in this world where software is eating the world, we can't treat altec companies the same i think that is the revaluation that investors are doing >> are investors at this point believe that the discipline that we need to get to profitability in 2021, is the right thing to do for the company and -- but, at the same time, they don't want us to make the fundamental trade-offs you don't want to hit 2021 and not grow any more. and i think the plan that we have in place is a plan that absolutely hits our profit targets, but leaves the high-growth nature of this
business intact. >> public and private valuation was a very hot topic at the conference yesterday here to continue that conversation, former chair and c.e.o. at this very institution we're sitting at, the nasdaq of course, he's also a cnbc contributor which is highest title, of course he has a book out. market mover, lessons from a decade of change >> glad to be here >> thank you help us understand what you think has happened in terms of what feels like a complete valuation shift, which is now forcing companies to ultimately change their own strategy in terms of growth? >> i'm going to tie into one of the commentators said. every company is a technology company. you have those who exist in the virtual world where the marginal cost can drop 100% to the bottom line, then you have those that exist in the physical world where there always be a cost of
goods associated with getting the marginal revenue you have to think of those terms. you can't just think technologies how are they operating in that sense. with respect to your question, private market valuations are different than public market valuations private market is you and i do a deal one of us could be horrifically wrong. when you talk about a public market, it's every investor contributing -- >> it's also bringing discipline to the private markets >> what's that >> it's bringing discipline to the private markets because the private markets are having to revalue -- >> a line in the sand has changed the psychology in the market it has burst the concept of let's spend everything just for unlimited growth so we see a post wework world we live in. >> why is it wework? it feels like -- i remember being out in l.a. the day of the lyft ipo actually. you saw it with lyft, and you saw it with uber, now we've seen it with peloton. they can blow through expectations and the stock still
goes down. >> well, it's a question what are the expectations i'll say this. it was building towards that, but we've never had a situation before where the company went from 47 billion to 7 in that kind of period of time that's breath taking joe is laughing about that that's very true so you're right, private market can have very accurate valuations if you and i do a deal and we both have a, you know, rational view of it -- >> what's the phrase that softbank was smoking its own supply, this idea that part of the problem was that you had, you sort of ratchet up and up in terms of valuation, but it really was never -- it was a fake valuation -- >> they were the only ones in that round >> only ones in it you only have one or two investors credentializing each round. >> what you can say with this last round, it seems to me like you're throwing good money after bad. and to the extent wework would go into bankruptcy, then you could buy assets out of bankruptcy but now you had, again, two players, j.p. morgan and softd
bank coming in is that valuation right for wework i don't know >> 17 trillion negative yielding debt, why should we be surprised there are bubbles in different parts and different asset classes? >> it has to show up >> it could be as simple as that private equity, they had a place to hide -- not private equity, but these private companies, it's a place to hide there's no way to value those things the game can go on for a while until it doesn't be go on any more and it's not now >> i think there are ways to value these companies and you have to just get back to fundamentals, right. what is the market share what's your expected share of that market? what's your relevant advantage, right? what value are you delivering to customers? what are they willing to pay -- >> revenue versus profits, something changed. >> something did change. we have to run to your point about technology companies versus companies in the real world, what you're seeing is with airbnb, these
asset like companies changed their policy yesterday now they have to have people manning phones >> those are costs those are costs. >> all of these services that used to have the trust of crowd sourcing for free are going to be come political indicated. >> no doubt about it >> technology companies may not be >> getting into the physical world. if you can stay exclusively in the virtual world, you'll do quite well >> bob, thank you for coming >> my pleasure >> futures are in the green after breaking news overnight that the trade war tariffs are going to be phased out we'll dig into the market reaction triple digits on the dow the post c.e.o. will join us, the food delivery wars, road to the ipo. stay tuned "squawk box" on cnbc is coming right back ormance. where a rising middle class powers a booming auto industry... a leap into the digital era draws youthful populations to mobile banking and e-commerce...
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>> good morning. welcome back to "squawk box" this morning right here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross correspond sin with joe kernen and melissa lee. becky quick is off today futures look like they will be opening up this morning, the dow looks like it would opill open 8 points higher. >> the two largest economies agreed to remove existing tariffs. eunice joins us now with more on the story. uniisz >> thanks so much, melissa the commerce said the past two weeks they have been discussing lifting the tariffs in trenches. the ministry said and stressed that for a agreement to happen some of the additional tariffs need to go from beijing's perspective. the ministry also said the timing and the place of a deal signing has yet to be decided, but that those tariffs need to
be lifted at the same time by the same amount, though how much is still being negotiated. now, the state media, after the commerce ministry's remarks, were laser focused on the point that if a trade deal -- if the tariffs are not removed, there won't be a trade deal. this has been a core demand of beijing for quite sometime and the papers have also been saying that the tariffs needed to be lifted simultaneously, and that would be an indication to beijing that china and the u.s. are considered equals. so perhaps as a way to make things a little bit easier for the trump administration to meet china's demands, separately the chinese courts have sentenced nine people to jail, including one suspended death sentence as part of a smuggling case this is the opioid the authorities here have been highlighting the fact that this is the first time when a
narcotics commission has been working in collaboration with u.s. law enforcement on such a case and is maybe an indication as well that this could be a calculated move because of the trade talks. the commission after the sentencing had said that this was made in accordance with the consensus reached between presidents xi and president trump. so giving some credit to the pressure that president trump had put on president xi about a year ago regarding the opioid crisis and the perceived manufacture of fentanyl in china by the united states guys >> eunice, thank you eunice in beijing for us take a look at the s&p 500 it looks like we're going to open up by 12 points this would be a record high for the s&p 500. so we're watching that very closely today. joining us for more on the markets is the chief investment strategist at bull tick capital
markets and andrew, senior portfolio manager at morgan stanley investment management. good morning to you both andrew, i'll start off with you. do you think the markets pricing in everything good and nothing bad here we are going to open at record highs if we keep these gains in the futures. >> yeah, i do. but i think the market's going higher into year-end because there is too much defensive positioning and you get strong markets through october. the market tends to be even higher by year-end so i think we've got another 3 to 5% up side between now and year-end although the market short term, very short term is getting overbought >> katherine, how do you feel about the markets now, as late we have confirmation from the bond market. we've seen ten-year yields go to three-month highs. 1.87 or so on the ten-year yield. >> this is the melt-up scenario. so no more u.s. recession.
that's certainly now consensus it wasn't 6 to 12 months ago conen consensus for u.s. recession that's been my view for the past year you have the fed cutting and you have a trade deal. so those three things are what took down the markets, december of last year now we have the melt-up scenario those are the three factors that needed to happen on a positive bend to get markets higher markets are going higher concur through year end i think, however, 2020 is going to present a lot of potential downside that is why i continue even at these levels and with the claps of the vixx, volatility index, there is complacency in the markets and inhesht risk in the next few years >> what's a lot of downside, katherine? >> look, i think if you get an elizabeth warren nomination, this is something i've been talking about for a long time in march, when you can get a big slide in the markets 15, 20%. i think it's not priced in at, what are we at, 3,000, almost 100. an elizabeth warren nomination
and potential presidency is not priced in right now. 49% of the s&p 500 is comprised of financials, big tech, and health care. those are the three sectors she most hard hit. that is not priced in. the other thing that's not priced in is the potential for an economic acceleration eventually bringing about inflation, which means a less dovish fed and less dovish ecb and a risk to central banks having to undo heretofore massively expansionary policy, which has caused a buildup in negative yielding debt to $18 trillion globally. >> andrew, you are also worried about the political cycle of the impact on the markets in 2020. yet you like financials. do you see this in a limited window where you can see the financials in the up side before the political winds start hitting that sector? >> look, i don't agree with a 15, 20% downside the reality of the election is if the economy is doing well, we reelect the sitting president regardless of what party he's
from i think the fed cutting rates, the china trade deal, we will have a stronger economy next year and the market will reward that for a while however, my job is to get ahead of it. i was on in september. i said the market was going to break out in the fourth quarter. i think the next speed bump as your other guest said is you have to understand the sequencing of the primaries. the early primaries are going to go towards the more left leaning candidates the market is going to like. and super tuesday is not for a good month later so i think that's a speed bump, but i think the markets will be higher next year because the economy will be stronger whether this chase in the year-end -- that's what i think it is -- i don't think people are going to bayou tilts, reits and consumer staples they are going to buy financials because they lagged. now they're getting a little overbought and i think they're going to come back into technology which
recently half sold off i think it is the stocks that have more upside versus the defenses that you buy if you think the market's going down. i think, yes, financials, but technology, consumer discretionary, which haven't done as well recently. i think they'll play a little catch up here. >> so, katherine -- go ahead >> sorry if andrew takes that view and i tend to agree with him, then he might agree with my position, which is protecting your s&p positions, protecting -- financials have already run up quite a bit. ten year treasuries have gone from 140 to 109 now. we've seen the gain in financials if you think that elizabeth warren is a risk, as i do, in the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary, first two weeks of febl, she wins both of those. that's the potential i'm not saying it's going to happen it's a very big risk she will run the table and be the nominee. if you think that's a risk, then you want to buy today put options for march expiry in the fed meetings if the fed sounds
more hawkish, it gets you through iowa and new hampshire and super tuesday. if you think there is downside, i think it's actually 15 to 20%. i don't think at 3100 elizabeth warren is baked into the numbers. and i also don't think that even with -- i agree, economic growth is good for an incumbent president, but this is an unprecedented scenario where we are going to get the house impeaching the president so i think there's a lot of volatility that is currently not priced into markets that we have to protect our positions for >> well, look, bill clinton was impeached, the market went up because the economy was doing well i agree there's downside the big downside comes in economic recessions and i don't see that happening now, i'm not willing to commit to downside protectionhere because i think the market is going to rally in the year-end -- the calendar -- just because the calendar year -- just because the calendar year changes, doesn't mean the market doesn't continue so i think this market is going to continue higher and then it's
going to take, at some point in january, start to think about this i'm not convinced that's going to be the candidate. i'm just saying when we get into january there's a -- there will be a lot more enthusiasm, and then that's the speed bump so i'm not willing to commit here because i think i've got to stay offensively into next year first. >> all right >> but i'm a portfolio manager i can't -- i have to, i have to decide when the timing in september the market was going to break the up side, it has. i'm looking at the next move it's too early to get defensive. >> good discussion, guys thank you, katherine and andrew. >> here's what else is making headlines this hour. the bank of england just out with its latest policy statement deciding to leave key interest rates unchanged. two committee members did vote for an interest rate cut u.s. and european regulators want boeing to revise its documentation of the proposed software fix for its 737-max jet. boeing had submitted
documentation as part of the process to return the jet to service, but regulators have flagged a number of issues that could result in a delay to the jet's return mcdonald's c.e.o. chris has purchased $500,000 worth of company shares that is according to an sec filing he had not owned any of mcdonald's shares prior to being named c.e.o. this past weekend and he bought 2580 shares at $194 a share needs to buy -- >> 7 1/2 million dollars worth of stock a leg into the position, i guess. >> we couldn't be c.e.o., then when they asked me, can you -- >> can you buy -- >> pony up >> six times your salary >> if they ask me to be c.e.o. -- >> that's interesting, by the way. do you think that c.e.o.s ever actually go out and take loans obviously you have people -- must be others who have done
that >> in order to buy their own -- >> their own stock in a more traditional way? >> i was kidding >> they disclose the loans -- >> this plays into the whole -- all of these guys must be overpaid just to take the job you have to have $8 million, right? i'm not saying i agree with that, but it's pretty amazing that just to get the job you've got to be a multi-multi-multi-millionaire. not defending any of these guys any more forget t. >> you're done >> why should i defend something philosophically -- >> you and elizabeth warren -- oh, my >> because you're a man of principle, joe >> who told you that? >> now i'm going to be on the opposite side. >> you're going to have to go to the opposite side. you have a little bit. >> i am a little bit >> you do. i want to be -- i do not want to be woke. the world is topsy-turvy right now. woke to the woke to the woke
>> which is just woke. >> that might be just woke anyway, the food delivery wars are hotter than ever you know what i saw yesterday? a grub hub bicyclist those guys are nuts. they don't wait for lights it's dangerous an already crowded field is looking to come to the public market >> i use the service constantly. get sweet cream. >> announcer: still to come, pulitzer prize winning columnist tom freidman on the race for the white house. the state of economy what investors need to watch on the geopolitical front later, noah black stein on dynamic funds tells us if he's still llh buison health care and tech that's coming up right here on "squawk box. woman: what does the word "partner" really mean? someone i can trust. (impact, click) who is with me for the long-term. who understands i'm dealing with lives, not only livelihoods.
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about the private markets versus public markets and the way people are feeling about valuations for a lot of these businesses, in large part, because we've seen the valuations obviously for an uber and lyft that have come public, come down frankly. and so many of them, uber specifically, are now in your business and losing a ton of money trying to -- you're trying to eat their lunch and they're trying to eat your lunch how do we get to the business component now? >> specifically having a high valuation was never one of the problems that i had to deal with our valuation, i think, increased very slowly over the years. i was never in a situation to receive a billion dollar in funding from softbank, so maybe that has to do with it maybe that's part of it. but we feel very confident where our valuation is now >> in terms of -- i don't know, can you speak about when this ipo may or may not come? >> look, sometimes good things take awhile. we had a window earlier in the
year, but, you will know, after somewhat lukewarm reception of tech companies, specifically after wework and their losses, i think we're ready to go when we feel that the market conditions are right. we don't need access to capital right now, so we have the time to figure out when we want to go out. >> when you say you have access to capital right now, how long -- given, given both the growth but also the costs that are involved right now, how long can you go without raising any new capital? >> oh, to profitability. >> to profitability? meaning you don't think you ever have to raise additional capital? >> we will, and i don't think that is, that is the least intelligent thing to do, but we can operate and would operate the company to get to profitability if we decide to. >> so that's the other question, though some of these companies including uber have actually dialed back really their growth plans, in large part because the market is forcing them to in terms of the costs and taking on losses are you changing your strategy
>> i think, i think it's slightly different i'm not sure if the market is forcing uber or uber eats to do so i think you saw in 2019 a year where a lot of players spent against customers. there are times in a market when the market dynamics are there that you want to acquire customers. door dash, other companies that grew the fastest in 2019 others grew a little bit slower. but there are times for spending and there are times when you rein in spending >> i use post mates. i was telling him i tried to get a kale cesar -- kale ceasar dressing on the side >> you get it on post mates. >> hold the crew tons. >> and i do hold the croutons. the kale ceasar comes with parmesan chips >> any protein >> there's chicken in there. it's chicken >> you need some protein >> there's a little carbon footprint with that. >> my question is how many of these do you think can really
exist in the eco system, given the network effects? >> a couple of things. of course there will be consolidation at some point in the space. i believe the right way to think about the space is not a winner take all market. i like to think of it like the media streaming world. you will have different brands in the space that appeal to very different customer bases based on the meredith schants thchant access to. in l.a. we're the undisputed leader in market share over 20% of orders come from exclusive. these are not pure as ours we're focused on local favorites you would switch the app for think about the equivalent in the media streaming world. that's how i like to think about the space. >> so you are curating who is on your platform. you think that is your competitive advantage? >> curation. >> taco bell >> it's misguided if they do one
or two players -- >> grub hub is talking about -- >> if you do any exclusive, that would be one i'd suggest >> i'll bring it back to the team >> do you feel any difference after grub hub reported and it was received so poorly on the street and then there was this narrative that came about from that warning that people are not -- they're not loyal to the platform they're loyal to the restaurants. and so to the extent that you said 22% of your restaurants are exclusive, that the rest of it is not exclusive, those are all customers that can come and go >> look, a couple things i think grub hub sent a shareholder letter, they should have sent one one or two years ago. the writing was on the wall when we started post mates eight, nine years ago a new breed entered the field. if you read the shareholder letter and you see what grub hub is talking about, they're saying they see no leverage in the
business barns & noble didn't see leverage in logistics. talk to block buster we've been there before. the idea bad management equals bad market doesn't fit the new breed of companies >> this is a grub hub problem. >> yes >> you said ultimately there should be consolidation in the space. how do you think about that now in terms of your own future as an independent company versus a consolida consolidator or consolidatee >> we hope to be focused on the world. >> great to see you. we'll order some food maybe. get some breakfast i'll get the kale ceasar, i'll get you something from taco bell >> i think grub hub handles taco bell >> do you know who handles taco bell >> i wouldn't know >> you wouldn't know
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nasdaq indicated up 44 a lot of this is based on the late late latest ruminations the china trade. dom chu, the really youthful face dom chu i saw him yesterday. any makeup, it's superfluous am i right about him >> melissa gets to see me every day. we sit next to each other. >> i'm very jealous. >> i'm very jealous i don't get to hang out with you and see you in the office. joe, to your point, let's talk about the movers teva pharmaceuticals it's up 4% things have changed around so quickly. about 300,000 shares premarket volume it's a bit of a mixed report for teva we have earnings missing projections. revenues did top estimates, but it did raise its full year outlook slightly
it was helped along by product launches in key markets in north america. we'll watch the shares, jumpy premarket. profits and revenues here, both beat estimates for the drug distributor after adjusting for costs related to the opioid lawsuit settlements. they were one of the companies that decided to settle the opioid settlement litigation we'll see if the stock moves on the up side. seaworld is down 3%. roughly 1200 shares premarket volume profits and sales both missed estimates. they blame among other things, bad weather at park locations in florida. sergio rivera will be named the permanent c.e.o. effective next month. melissa, those stocks two green, one red. i'll send it back over to you. >> thank you see you later. moving markets, china bringing in principal to bring existing tariffs we'll talk saudi arabia and twitter. lots to cover when we return
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>> we're on tv now >> tom freidman is here. >> he said i look thin i like this guy. u.s. futures jumping after china's commerce -- i have to breathe, though. the u.s. and china have agreed to phase out the tariffs that were imposed during the trade war. let's welcome our special guest. tom freidman can we dress like this >> i think this is a great look he's got >> we could pull this -- he's "the new york times" foreign affairs columnist. author of "thank you for being late." maybe that's why he gets the license to dress like that we still need to try a little harder >> you have to switch it up. >> tom, we've always known that there was an election coming and
we've always worried that political expediency would perhaps allow us to -- to not, once we decided to pursue this track, as long as we've gotten this far, shouldn't we get some substantive things what we're seeing now, are we giving up the possibility of really getting some real action just because we need to do it as november approaches? >> are you talking about warren's health plan or -- >> not at all. we're going to talk about that later. china. didn't we have a -- we were referencing when you were on with steve benton, you were amazingly of the same mind in terms of something needs to be done because it's a real threat. >> yeah. >> that china is a real threat are we doing something now just accepting half measures to get something done or is it possible that we get something on i.p. and some of the things, egregious things we want to accomplish >> i haven't seen the deal yet, so it's hard to know exactly
it was never all going to be done in one fell swoop the problems were too big and china's too powerful you know, i still want to see the details, joe, but something we've talked about before. i was part of a dialogue on this whole issue. i'm a hardliner on this. i believe we did have to take this on, and for three reasons basically. china got -- went from poverty to middle income i think using a three silo strategy. first silo was hard work, smart investments in infrastructure, smart investments in education, delayed gratification. stealing others intellectual property, nonresip coe row cal trade arngsmentes, w.t.o. rules. silo three was the pacific fleet. our fleet reassured them we could dominate them economically but not geo politically. which was important for their economic expansion
if we let them use that same three silo strategy to go from middle income to 5g, we'd be crazy. someone had to call the game, and it's good that trump did it. the question now is how much can you get from them? and i go back to this dialogue i was in there a couple years ago where a senior chinese official -- when i was pushing this hardline -- said, joe, mr. freidman, you're too late. we're too big. so you got -- that mood is there. and what trump did was -- because he went so far, unlike any previous president, he got their attention. there's no question. but sitting back there is still a huge amount of sense that we don't have to give too much, you know so i think both sides need this first stage of the deal, joe but i was just in china two months ago and what i heard there was there is a real worry there if they do
stages two and three which would require real domestic reform by xi jinping where he'd have to take some meat out of the state on industries, they're worried trump is so unstable as a political character that if he got close to the election and he needed to juice his base, he could turnover the whole table that's really the tension there between the short term and long term >> in your view -- i tried to figure this out -- what was trump's initial motivation for taking on such a difficult thing? when i think of most conventional politicians as being -- >> risk averse >> self-interest something that's going to benefit their political fortunates fortunes. i can't connect the dots to where this would be helping -- maybe it does. is that why he did it originally, it would play with nationalist, populist sentiment and all the job loss -- >> it cut across on the one hand it would play
with some standing up for america in a way previous democrat and republican presidents have not done so aggressively, but it hurt his base in rural america. >> why is he doing it? >> as i've listened to him and studied him, he's had a long history of this, feeling this about japan and about china. and on this issue, i have to give him credit that he basically said, no one else would have done this but me. and i think it's true. >> see, that's why i wonder, all just to be thrown away at the end because he has to do it. >> right i'm worried. i want to see the deal and i haven't seen it yet. so i'm going to be on the more generous side -- something had to be done he oversold what you could get right away, i think. it's a much harder process but let's see what the final numbers are. i'm talking to business people a lot of people are worried.
particularly, joe, in the telecom industry what's going to happen to huawei are we going to basically give huawei a pass? a big concern about that >> that will have to be part of this -- >> for china it's a huge -- >> it's the ultimate pawn in the trade war. >> for me there have always been two issues here. there's been the broader trade question, soybeans and boeing. what huawei represents is for 30 years, we sold china what i call deep goods software, computers, stuff that went deep into a business or household. they sold us shallow goods clothes we wore on our back, shoes we put on our feet, solar panels we put on our homes china is now approaching our technological per. they want to sell us stuff that goes into our homes, our bedrooms we don't have enough trust to buy your deep goods. huawei is the tip of an iceberg
that is still going to be there no matter what happens -- >> we were talking to bill gates yesterday. he actually has a different view >> i've argued with him about this >> you know about his view >> yes >> his view is effectively boeing also has software in their engines. if we're going to sell them planes, we should be willing to accept it on the other side. a software code can be corrupted both ways. >> there is some truth to that in this sense, andrew. when i was over in china a couple months ago, i actually googled huawei and cyber you know -- >> from china? >> i don't know where i was. you know what the first thing that comes up? edward snowden's testimony that the nsc had hacked huawei, built a back door into huawei's systems so they could do two things one, penetrate all the countries huawei had installed their technology in like pakistan, and at the same time discover whether huawei was, in fact, backed by the pla, the people's liberation army in china that's the first thing that comes up
i think bill is onto something, and that is we are going to be so penetrating each other, you can drive yourself crazy around this or you can just accept that privacy is over. >> we're going to get a break in we have a lot to talk about, all the tech stuff do you think your buddy should have gone to the desert, the saudi thing this year? do you hold it against people that did go? >> i can only speak for myself, joe. >> you don't think it was -- >> i didn't go >> i know you didn't >> i know you wanted me to go. >> not yet is the answer >> but not forever necessarily either you know you're going to go eventually >> here's how i think of the saudi thing right now, joe, which is m. b.s., the effective ruler of saudi arabia, muhammad ben salamon, the khashoggi situation was so outrageous and so over the top. murdering someone who is
really -- >> worse than the uighurs? worse than the internment camps, worse than modern day? >> it's up there you can't compare a million people -- absolutely, let me just finish this point >> all right >> at the same time, you know, what i've said to them is if dong chow ping -- he lived his obit in "the new york times" leads him to be the greatest economic reformer in the last century. what i would say to the saudis, what you did -- what mbs did is unforgivable but you can at least balance the books by reforming your way forward. and that's all i can tell you. but it's going to be a balance it's never going to go away. but at least do yourself a favor. do your friends a favor, joe,
who believe that the future and fate of saudi arabia is hugely important whatever you think of -- >> are you going next year >> i'll look at it >> you >> talk to me next year. >> thinking about it, aren't you? >> we have to take a break >> it's a longer conversation. >> tom will stick around coming up we have much more with tom freidman including his take on the warren wealth tax plan. the dow looking to open up by 120 points the s&p at a rorecd high up 12 now. stay tuned you're watching "squawk box.
i've paid more than 10 billion in taxes i've paid more than anyone in taxes. [ laughter ] i'm glad to have paid -- if i had to pay 20 billion, that's fine [ laughter ] but, you know, when you say i should pay 100 billion, then i'm starting to do a little math about what i have left over. sorry. i'm just kidding [ laughter ] so you really want the incentive system to be there and you can go a long ways without threatening that >> have you ever talked to elizabeth warren about any of this before? >> i have not. >> would you would you want to? he >> i'm not sure how open minded she is [ laughter ] or that she'd even be willing to sit down with somebody, you know, who has large amounts of money. >> that was bill gates yesterday at the conference. after that comment, elizabeth warren got on twitter and she said, i am always happy to meet
with people, even if we have different views. bill gates, if we get the chance, i'd love to explain exactly how much you'd pay under my wealth tax. i promise it's not $100 billion. some others have done the math looks like it's closer to $12 billion. about 6 billion more than he's paying currently i want to discuss this and so much more with pulitzer prize winning columnist and best selling author tom freidman. so what do you think of this wealth tax >> i'm not an expert on health care, whatever i've been trying to read as many analyses as i had. the one that made the most sense was by larry somers in the washington post, a democrat predisposed to this. larry made the point the whole plan relies on the most optimistic scenarios of where the economy will go the next ten years, the money -- >> in terms of the taxes raised? and also the costs >> exactly >> on the medicare for all plan. >> on both ends of it. larry also pointed out that, you know, the new deal and the great society, we're all actually based on middle class paying for
all these expansions of new programs so my position, andrew, i actually liked obamacare i thought it was in the right direction. expanding obamacare by adding a public option, a health entity that could drive down costs because it would have far fewer costs than private insurance companies. going back to taxing young people to make sure everyone is in the program so you have a balanced pool, why didn't we just junk that whole program that democrats fought for and leap to this without saying, why don't we fix and improve that? if you watch the election in kentucky, if you draw any conclusion from beshear's apparent victory, people want to move forward incrementally they don't want some radical transformation of the economy in ways we have no idea -- >> you travel a lot, though. do you feel like within the democratic party that this is going to -- elizabeth warren is going to win the game here
>> andrew, i think the overwhelming political effect in america today is that more than half of americans feel they don't have a candidate they're skpi excited about to vote for in the next election. moderate republicans, independents, suburban women pro business democrats like myself i think there's just a lot of people feel unrepresented and i don't think that's sustainable somebody is going to fill that vacuum >> who >> if you believe that a public option would actually save money and spend less -- my point is it seems like kind of an obvious narrative, earn a profit, you don't have all these other things -- >> advertising >> but then the whole reason that the private sector seems more efficient in allocating capital is because there has to be more oversight. you have to watch your ps and qs >> right >> if you believe the public option would be cheaper, then go for it, go for the whole thing
that way if you really believe that, don't go piecemeal and i think we've had some, some tests of the public option whether it's va or whatever, even the frog we still see perpetrated in medicare. i think the private sector insurance would win over -- i don't think you would see the public option as a better -- >> it's a legitimate question i think, joe and i wouldn't start with a massive public -- i think we need to iterate -- >> try it one more time, see if we can get it right this time. the dmv of health care >> maybe let's just see i think it's worth experimenting. there are a lot of experiments in obamacare around cost controls also that were not implemented. >> tom, i want to go back to you said you thought someone would fill this void, this middle ground and i'm just sitting around looking around going, who? who is that person >> unless you think elizabeth warren is going to pivot when she clinches the nomination. >> or be unable to do anything
she wants to do. >> right >> so many democrats -- she won't be able to -- >> hillary clinton said that to me last night. she can get in there and say -- >> hey, i've heard you, i heard the criticism. >> it's just not going to happen because it's not practical valerie jarrett said the same kind of thing. >> like the wall who is paying for the wall >> let me give you what may seem like a strange analogy so, i watched the israeli/palestinian conflict very closely i found over time it is to the wider trends in civilization what off broadway is to broadway what's playing on broadway suicide bombing being, scale, a lot of things start there and go to broadway. what's just been playing off broadway they just had two elections in about six months and the last one was very revelatory, i believe. netanyahu ran an openly racist
divisive campaign against israeli arabs. in the second election, oh, you talking to me? and they went out and voted in record numbers and created the third largest party. number two, netanyahu was everywhere on twitter, on facebook -- he was there all the time his opponent, benny gantz, people were putting a mirror under his nose, bennie, are you breathing? he's eating you alive on facebook and twitter turned out israelis got sick of it 250,000 israelis changed their vote between the first election and the second third thing happened, netanyahu ran -- benny gantz -- i'm not going to offer you the peace process. not some radical plan. i just want to pull the country together i find it as a distant mirror very interesting what's been playing off-broadway therefore, i think someone comes with a very simple message, i want to pull the country together i want to improve health care. i want to work on obamacare. and i want to focus on
education. a little bit what beshear was doing in kentucky. i think that person could do very well. >> pop out a name. >> buttigieg >> you think buttigieg -- >> yeah. i like the way he talks, andrew, in this way. i like the way he talks about faith. i like the way he talks about his faith. i like the way he talks about abortion there is a sensitivity to him that -- and an intelligence that i find -- i don't know him never met him. but i find very compelling there's a lot of america that says grace every evening and i think we should remember that and sometimes liberals forget that and i think he's someone who, in time, i think could catch on >> he's young. >> you're saying in time that's the thing >> i don't know. >> top of the ticket >> i don't know. we just had an african-american president, then donald trump >> he's got far fewer -- >> we broke all the molds as far as i'm concerned >> the one and only tom
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site in times square, as in "the new york times." we did have some good contributions today from a relationship we have >> tom was so great. wasn't that a great conversation >> "the new york times," "the new york times" deal book, we're going to talk about again in a second i'm going to give it another chance, i think, maybe, "the new york times." i'm joe kernen along with andrew ross sorkin. will you give "the wall street journal" another chance, editorial page >> i love -- no, no, i actually -- i think it's one of the best editorial pages in the country. it's very thoughtful it's really -- >> do you read kimberly strassmann >> yes, totally. >> melissa lee is here becky is off today >> i don't agree with it all, but it makes you think >> really? stop the presses anyway, treasury yield, news flash. treasury yields are almost 1.84. i saw 1.85 earlier the futures are all up this
morning on this. 1.88, almost 1.9, which is not far from 2.0 >> about a three-month high. >> nobody likes when rates go up everybody feel a little uncomfortable down in the low 1s >> that was scary. we were seeing sell offs there >> like we're in some uncharted economic territory >> our top story this morning, china's commerce ministry says beijing has agreed with the u.s. to roll back some existing trade tariffs. kayla joins us now with more on this hey, kayla >> melissa, the comments were made overnight in a regularly scheduled briefing by chinese commerce ministry where the spokesman said the trade war started with tariffs and should he end with the cancellation of tariffs. they're not saying what timetable has been agreed or which tariffs have been rolled back there are quite a few tranches currently in place which of these tariffs are under discussion we've been reporting for months that the u.s. is open to rolling back that $112 billion tranche
of tariffs from september 1st and cancelling the scheduled $156 billion tranche for this december but they're not ready to go below $250 billion in tariffed goods until china agrees to some sort of phase two deal that gets at the tougher issues that the administration has been targeting all along. and if there is an agreement, then the question is where does this get signed and when there is some expectation that there could be a signing either next week or perhaps after thanksgiving the white house says it is still targeting next week when the apex summit would have happened. a senior administration official acknowledges that could be pushed back. if it is, then europe is under discussion president trump is expected to attend the nato summit in lone december 3rd and fourth. and i'm told that a potential meeting between the president's trump and xi could book end that meeting over in europe
the two sides have been at odds over a potential venue because neither wants to do it on the other country's soil for obvious political optical reasons. so we'll see exactly what they decide and where the signing actually takes place we know that principals were meeting with president trump to discuss this yesterday we haven't had an official announcement yet andrew >> kayla, thank you for that report we want to switch gears right now for a moment and talk about the streaming wars apple tv plus launching just last week, disney plus launching next week. yesterday i had the chance to sit down with netflix c.e.o. at the deal book conference here's what he had to say about the growing competition in the streaming space. >> people subscribe to a couple services the way they subscribe to a couple news services. but then in terms of time, that's 9 real competition. the tricky thing in this streaming war is apple and disney is not going to break out revenue for the service. here are some subscriber numbers. you can bundle things in so
that's not going to be that relevant the real measurement will be time how do consumers vote with their evenings and do they end up watching what mix of all the services so starting q1 you'll start to see a break-out for that -- from nielsen and others >> joining us now to talk streaming competition, larry jones the c.e.o. of black thorn and former president of tv land. michael haney is joining us lead analyst at rbc capital markets curious about your take on reid's take on how to really measure the success of these services is it really going to be time? is that the best way to estimate how we're going to look at these things, mark >> i guess so, but we're not going to get that kind of disclosure from the company. >> right >> the street is going to look at subs as it has for netflix historically, it's going to listen for the sub numbers all three of these companies, the estimates are out there. they're going to get to roughly 100 million in five years. that's up apple plus, disney
plus, time warner, disney, max, hbo max. that's going to require good execution in the u.s., particularly execution in the international markets. what we're learning from netflix is 90% of the subgrowth comes from outside the u.s. so you have to have content for those markets. that's going to be a tough row to hoe for some of these companies. >> that's what i was going to ask you, larry in terms of netflix and their growth prospects in this competitive landscape, is the focus -- should the focus only be international or do you think -- they're going to have to hold what they've got in the u.s., but then it all has to be international gain >> i think you have to make hits and i think that's what their number one agenda is you make hits in the united states and then you export them around the world that is basically what their plan has been. buildup that library and have a lot of great content that people want to watch all around the world. clearly they'll be making projects for specific markets around the world, but i think it's going to be predominantly exported american hits
>> you say hits. this is an interesting issue it seems like bob iger and some of the other services, especially apple which obviously has a lot fewer shows, is playing a very curated hit-driven strategy to the extent they can be right and we'll see whether they have those hits versus netflix which is trying to do hits, but is also a little bit of a volume game >> i would definitely agree netflix is a huge volume game. but they're the first movers they've been in there for, what is it, eight or ten years already. everybody else is trying to do catch up either with their preexisting ip or creating new ip netflix is in a position where they can have a lot of volume, but, you know, everybody wants -- everybody in town wants their "game of thrones." everybody wants their
"handmaid's tale." >> are we in a bubble? does content spin have to come down or slow in a material way and he seemed to suggest not does that make sense to you? >> yes, it does. i think netflix's strategy is going to be to continue to spend more -- they're going to bum up up their content spin by one to 2 billion a year they do that because they think they can add 25 million to 30 million subs a year. that translates to 3 billion in incremental revenue. they can put half of that into new content. nets netflix's strategy whether it works or not is to bury people in content. the key thing here, the growth -- the race is really in international markets. netflix in 2020 is going to roll out 130 original series that are internationally sourced, internationally produced they're going to be -- there's going to be japanese, south korean, turkish, french shows. it's not going to be taking u.s. content and exporting it
it's going to be creating it in the international markets. >> we go back to the question, the valuation of the traditional guys, does it go up, does it go up and try to match and netflix come down? how does that work >> that's one of the toughest things to figure out here. it's going to depend on whether the free cash flow dynamics start to improve netflix has shown you can spend money and build out a huge subbase. what netflix has yet to prove is if you can do it profitably in terms of cash flow if netflix can't do it, what's going to be 200 million subs, it's going to be pretty clear almost nobody can do it. netflix is going to be free cash flow bellwether for this sector. i think they can do it if that's the case, you're going to see other companies that can reach the 100 in scale the issue will be in three to five years we're going to find out there are maybe two companies, maybe, that can get to that kind of level. netflix and disney that's probably it >> from an investor standpoint, the larger question mark is what is the right multiple to put on
netflix now with the increased competition that's out there also you're basically telling me netflix is going to keep spending presumably it's going to have limited ability to raise price because of all the competition out there. to make up for that spin, you know, it's got to bank on that volume out there and so it's a different business than what netflix had a couple years ago even >> yeah, netflix -- there's no question that the biggest overhang -- there's two overhangs. all the competition what it does to sub and pricing power, whether they can turn the needle on free cash flow. this is supposed to be the year of free cash flow losses we think there is enough leverage they can prove free cash flow the next year. if they can't, we think the stock can work we have seen leverage, by the way. you can look at content cost in the u.s. they've shown about ten points of leverage over of the last five years so there is leverage in this business
>> hey, guys, before we let you go i want to ask mark this because i know you cover twitter. i wanted to ask you about the news of the department of justice charged two former twitter employees with spying on those users on behalf of saudi arabia what do you think the impact is going to be on the company >> this looks like just another overhang i think the bigger issue for investors fundamentally is this company has too many bugs in its ads infrastructure and you can't have that. there are two major ad platforms that give you all the reach and targeting you need that's google and facebook if you're not flawless in your execution of your ad products for advertisers and you're one of those number three, four or five players, then you just impaired yourself. so this just adds to the chalds that twitter faces >> mark, thank you for that. hey, larry, thank you. always good to see you >> thank you, andrew >> thanks. >> coming up, finding winning stocks in a season of record highs. how can you grow your portfolio
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welcome back to "squawk box. we were just talking about fashion of ties. skinny ties. >> two skinny ties >> fatter ties skinny ties are getting out -- >> perfect size. >> back to the perfect size. we're going to talk about fair value now and the futures. dow looks like it's opening up higher, 20 points higher nasdaq 45 points higher and the s&p looking to open 11 points higher right now >> new york knicks owner jim dolan is reportedly being encouraged to sell stakes -- >> woo >> i have not heard that, ever >> this is good news >> i know we're not supposed to editorialize -- >> have you ever heard andrew howl like that >> never >> it's been devastating devastating. i was a patrick ewing knicks fan. this has been just a treacherous like decade. decades plural >> because of mike brown in cincinnati owning the bengals.
so, anyway, as well as the new york rangers so you think both could benefit from -- >> possibly. the rangers are dogo kay the knicks -- >> got rid of them new york post says nick robbins trying to get madison square c.e.o. dolan to buy minority buyers for the team in advance of the separation of msg sports properties from other assets robbins reportedly said the knicks and rangers could be worth more than $7 billion instead of a valuation that forbes has which pegged it at about $5.5 billion we've had cliff on >> we've had cliff, of course. i don't know if this is doable is the real issue. cliff has always been a activist investor, but, you know, what do they say, nice activist. >> friendly. >> friendly activist i don't know how far he can push this the dole abc neans obviously coh company. >> why does it matter? >> why does it matter?
have you not seen the knicks in the last two decades >> to run a team, it might not include winning -- >> there's no winning. >> i understand there's no winning. >> like musical chairs >> they're not hiring the right coaches and all that >> they're moving the deck chairs around the titanic. >> it's a weird combination of spending enough money, but knowing how to spend the money in the right way, get the right people not only the players, but also -- >> so this could be good for msg the stock. >> could be good for the stock could be good for the city could be good for the nba. by the way, the other owners in the nba have for so long wantled the knicks to do well because it would help everything. >> how long -- it's been a while for you. how far back does it go? >> what year are we in now it's 2019? >> 2019. >> you've got to go -- >> before the turn -- before 2000 >> almost 25 years ago yeah >> patrick ewing >> patrick ewing, yeah
yeah >> and even then it was -- >> even then, yeah yeah anyway -- >> all right >> fascinating news. >> you woo >> am i supposed to root for an activist -- >> i'm excited -- can i get you on draft kings with me he plays alabama >> true, it's like a big game. >> i think it's alabama. >> yep i think so, too. >> we'll see i may go to the game tonight after watching the chargers just man handle the packers last week you want me to show you how to do it? >> during the next commercial break? >> giving any points tonight, they're barely giving points to the raiders. >> let's do markets now. >> i do it here, you can't bet they know where i am follow me around that privacy thing i don't like. >> let's talk about the markets. hitting new highs almost daily may be harder to find those
sleeper picks. to that end our next guest is highlighting three different companies. home builder, mall operator, drugstore. joining us is tony sheerer at smead capital management great to have you. let's talk about walgreens since it's in the news, private equity wanting to take it private you don't think that could happen, though you like the stock for other reasons. >> well, yeah. you know, if it happens, maybe that would be nice, kind of sugar on top scenario. that's not part of our investment thesis. we've owned it for quite a long time at this point i might say kind of unfortunately the last few years it hasn't worked well. but, look, it's a ben grant type multiple 9 1/2 times forward price earnings ratio incredibly cheap even with all the head winds they've been facing with generic drug deflation that they've been facing, they lowered priced on the entirety of the front end of their store at the beginning of this year. these things are going to
anniversary themselves here pretty soon in the next couple quarters, but even as they've been fighting that stuff, they've had 5 billion in free cash flow they own a valuable asset, about $5 billion worth of amerisource bergen it's a good business it's a high-quality business it's been left for dead because of a lot of various reasons. we consider it very cheap and very attractive for a high-quality company now a intellectually, tony, i understand the anniversarying those problems some of these issues, the scrutiny pbms are facing which is part of the business, competition on the front end of the store from the likes of amazon or walmart, all these online digital players, that's ongoing. these are things that are ongoing issues how do you discount that into the stock, which, by the way, is down 13% for the year? >> well, i think the market's done a pretty good job of discounting that into the stock.
stefano, the c.e.o. chairman, he's not happy with the public markets right now. that's why this conversation is going on we'll see where it goes. it might be very difficult it seems like everyone across the street is handicapping this probability to be maybe not quite zero, but very unlikely it would be the largest leveraged buyout if it happened if did did happen again, we'll see how that goes but in the meantime you're getting 3.1% dividend yield. the hatred and the distrust of the stock, you know, in our opinion, is pretty well discounted in when you're trading at less than ten times forward earnings in a market where the forward on the s&p is 18 1/2 right now or thereabouts, we think that's a pretty good margin of safety right here >> let's talk malls. malls broadly aren't doing well. this is a high-end mall, reid. do you think it's i am snun
>> another contrarian idea we gravitate to things that are contentious. that's where you get the best prices anything in retail and certainly malls has been greatly discounted macerich trades at 11% dividend yield. that's higher than the ten year treasury yield for those doing the math on it look, they own some of the highest-quality malls out there. they have 52 products. they're a, a-plus, a-plus-plus type malls look, that hasn't been the place to have been i mean, you've been hurt by bean m. mall, that's why you're trading that yield they're at 95% occupancy they've been able to raise their rents from 40 some odd dollars per square foot about a decade ago to 61 right now. their average sales per square foot on their average tenant right now is 800 plus dollars per square foot. one of the highest in mall reit land their net operating income,
they've grown about 4.1, 4.2% per year over the last four. almost double that of gdp, and about three times that of the average mall peer out there. they're very good operators and we think it warrants some attention. >> you have to be a long-term believer in these stocks you said an 11% dividend yield, the stock is down 35% year to date, your time horizon has to be more to be worth it for both main search as well as wbba. >> correct maid search is a new name for us it hit the valuation screen with other quality screens we look for. but from here forward we think it's got a great margin of safety here. >> all right, tony and your last pick is nvr. thanks for joining us. we do appreciate it. tony sheer >> coming up in just a moment, bill gates talking wealth taxes and elizabeth warren and the massachusetts senator responded. we're going to bring you the back and forth and debate the right level for billionaires to
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welcome back to "squawk. uber c.e.o. says he thinks the appetite for high risks in the public mark has now decreased over the past few months i spoke with him yesterday at the deal book conference and this is what he had to say >> i do think that you're seeing the same kind of reckoning in the public markets is happening in the private markets and from my standpoint, i think
a couple things. thank god we went public when we did. >> really? >> absolutely. >> you think you'd be wework otherwise? >> we're very, very, very different from wework, okay. >> of course, uber's stock has had a tough time since it went public in may. it's down now about 40% this year >> coming up, breaking economic news the latest read on jobless claims and the market reaction straight ahead stay tuned you're watching "squawk box" on cnbc ♪ ♪ datadog has become the modern monitoring and analytics
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♪ ♪ welcome back to "squawk. weekly jobless claims are on deck we'll get a higher open on the s&p by 13 points, ten year yield is 1.88% rick santelli standing by at cme in chicago with the numbers. rick >> yes, our current week for initial jobless claims, well, it moved from 219 down to 211,000 let's call it drop of 8,000. and that's from a slight revision, that 219 originally released last week was 218,000 continuing claims moved from 1.692 million to 1.689 million so down a bit there. the ongoing news continues to be interest rates moving higher as a matter of fact, today is the 30 year bond auction the last of 30 year supply the bond seems to have a life of its own today, getting closer and closer to 240.
keep in mind 190 is the high yield close going back to september that many traders are focusing on as resistance. seems as though ten year's always peel back from the mid 180s not today. andrew, back to you. >> thank you, rick appreciate that. turning now to taxes, yesterday i had the opportunity to speak with bill gates at the deal book conference we talked about senator elizabeth warren's wealth tax plan this is what bill gates had to say. >> you know, i've paid over 10 billion in taxes i've paid more than anyone in taxes. [ laughter ] but i, i'm glad to have -- you know, if i had to pay 20 billion, that's fine [ laughter ] but, you know, when you say i should pay 100 billion, then i'm starting to do a little math about what i have left over. sorry. i'm just kidding >> have you ever talked to elizabeth warren about it before >> i have not. >> would you want to
>> i'm not sure how open minded she is [ laughter ] or that she'd even be willing to sit down with somebody, you know, who has large amounts of money. >> well, senator warren may be willing to she responded to bill gates in her tweet saying, i'm always happy to meet with people even if we have different views bill gates, if we get the chance, i'd love to explain exactly how much you'd pay under my wealth tax. parentheses, i promise it's not $100 billion probably closer to an additional $6 billion on an annualized basis over ten years and you can see -- >> we were talking about one of the variationsrobert franks -- talking about warren's tax bill, resident fellow making lennon is a fellow can we talk about the idea of mark to market taxes on assets,
like capital gains and actually, because michael makes the point and i don't know whether you disagree with this, alex, preferential treatment of capital has never been an effective way to get what we want in terms of investment. do you buy that, that it doesn't really help to have preferential rates for capital versus income? >> i disagree. >> you do? >> we've actually always had a preferential rate for capital gains. that itself doesn't make it the right answer but the reason behind that is because i think policy makers have recognized that investors are making decisions based on their expected after-tax returns. the other thing to remember is this is the second time that corporate earnings would be taxed. they are taxed obviously at the corporate level. they're taxed against at the shareholder level. we have this dual system, this double track system where tax is applied twice on corporate proffer its. that's another reason we've tried to keep that tax rate relatively low relative to ordinary income tax rates. >> michael, get this
alex does not miss out of hand the notion of taxing things, marking them to market you think that when people just hold onto things forever, that actually gums up the system because that taxable event never comes. you actually think there is some merit to that idea, alex >> yes >> a.e.i.? >> well, the mark to market idea is separate from the tax rate. obviously they're related. >> right >> one of the problems with the capital gains tax structure is it encourages investors to hold onto assets that they would otherwise dispose of and we call it the lock-in effect the higher the tax rate, the stronger the lock-in effect. so mark to market in theory on paper says, look, it doesn't matter you're going to pay the tax whether you sell it or not there is an efficiency in that but trying to figure out how to implement that, obviously how to implement that on assets that are difficult to value, that's almost impossible. now we're creating a distortion between traded assets and other
assets and then we should also remember what happens when the stock market goes down because sometimes it does. all of a sudden the government starts to write checks -- >> they certainly aren't as valuable as the original -- you're not going to recoup -- your stock doubles and then goes down 90%, you're never getting -- anyway, michael, if you figure it's not preferential anyway to treat capital differently, then that's kind of a moot point whether you mark to market -- mark to market or not. >> that's right. the idea that capital -- that preferential tax for capital is going to help us grow the economy and make things better for regular people, it's an idea -- i understand its appeal. i understand its appeal for people who are wealthy who want to be the hero in their own economic story the real reality, empirical reality, there is no real relationship it's the same basic argument that led us to cutting a trillion dollars in corporate taxes over the last -- two years ago. here we are two years later.
no appreciable difference in business investment, no increase in wages, no increase in jobs. we can try this over and over again. let's cut taxes on capital, cut taxes on capital but, you know, at some point we've got to look at the actual facts and realize that's not where -- >> the corporate tax cuts have not found their way into the economy whatsoever >> there's no real evidence that they have. look, the argument is, look, we'll cut taxes on capital it will increase investment, that will help -- trickle down into productivity which will eventually go to higher wages. none of those links in the chain actually work. the first, very first link in the chain is broken. if you want to focus on productivity, if you want to get worker productivity, you have to invest in workers. you have to make sure they're protected, that they have real power, education, health care, and you have to have stable demand you have to have good broad based stable demand. income inequality in this country has gotten so bad all the product innovation is heading to people at the top of the income spectrum which means
inflation is rising faster for people at the middle and bottom than it is at the top. that's a distortion coming from income inequality itself that's another good reason why it makes sense to increase taxes on capital that's where all the money is. >> if -- then i guess democrats can just run on how crappy the economy is we both know that's not going to be the case. and the biggest concern for democrats is going to be tough in this economy. and a lot of times an incumbent gets reelected when you have 3.5% unemployment -- >> rising income in the middle, that's not happening job growth is actually down. overall economic growth 1.9% -- >> how bad the economy is, that's going to be it? >> i think it will be a real debate how good the ee kwon am i is >> new highs, am i wrong about that >> most americans do not own eastern even a single share of stock >> 401(k)s -- there are some
positive things happening, aren't there, alex >> there are but they're mostly for rich people that is a part of the economy, but that's not the economy the economy is regular people, everyday people trying to make ends meet. for those people it's not going so great >> alex, do you see the 3% gains we're seeing in wages. anything good happening with the lower income or middle income people >> michael is right on a couple things he's right education is important. he's right we want the economy to be good for everybody not just for people at the top i disagree with him with pretty much everything else that he said because, in fact, we do see that wages are rising faster for non-supervisory workers than they are for managers and executives we do see almost everybody, basically everybody has a job. and we do see that the economy is growing and we did see a surge in investment after the tax cuts before the trade war really hit. >> right >> so we do think -- i do think the corporate tax reduction had
the right effect in promoting investment in the u.s. economy i think our trade policy is undoing some of that, a lot of that that's a separate issue from taxes but an important one for our macro economy. i do see the economy is moving forward across a lot of industries, across a lot of states and across a lot of stakeholders >> it's going to be interesting because everybody -- we'll see whether that resonates with people that, in fact, you know, the economy we're in right now is really bad. i don't know i think you're going to see people run on how strong it is and people not necessarily on democratic side run on the economy. >> i think if you ask regular people, they'll tell you that -- >> define for me what's a regular person that doesn't have 401(k) that doesn't have stocks? a person that isn't able to switch jobs because suddenly there's more available >> i'll tell you, a regular person is somebody who gets up every day and goes to work and tries to put food on their table for their family >> me, me.
>> not someone who owns stock. >> they have a piece of 401(k) retirement plans -- >> the facts are these even including 401(k)s and retirement accounts, half of americans don't own a single dollar in financial markets. >> what about the unemployment rate in this country, what about the unemployment rate for minorities in this country there have been -- >> black unemployment rate is twice that of the overall average. >> it's at historic lows >> is it not at historic lows? we have to get the facts here. >> i'll be happy about the unemployment rate when the gap between the black and white unemployment rate is zero. that's what we'd be happy about. >> i agree with you 100% it's hard to look at the math and not think that the economy today -- look, you can even say this -- i would have actually, if i were you, i would argue the economy is artificial, we're spending too much money.
there are things you can do, but that argument doesn't fly. >> michael, when you lose andrew, i don't know where you're coming from on this >> sitting from new york from where you are i can see why you think the economy is good. >> there are a lot of good arguments. they're different argument >> this is amazon day. >> we have to go we have to go. >> thank you come >> coming up an investigation at google parent company alphabet cnbc broke this story. we'll talk to the article's author when we come back stay tuned you're watching "squawk box" on cnbc pd-l1. they changed how the world fights cancer. blocking the pd-l1 protein, lets the immune system attack, attack, attack cancer. pd-l1 transformed, revolutionized, immunotherapy. pd-l1 saved my life. saved my life. saved my life. what we do here at dana-faber, changes lives everywhere.
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having an investigation, basically, into the company's sexual misconduct and how the executives handled that. so they've hired a law firm and are quietly trying to investigate. >> you say quietly because you broke the story. they didn't want this out. what has been the reaction now >> the reaction has been, has been people are wondering what took so long now that it's public at least people within google and sources of mine. i think, you know, the reaction from the company has been kind of trying to downplay it a little bit and saying, you know, yeah, we kind of alluded to this in earlier documents that we had publicly -- public documents but they never specified the nature of what the investigation could be about and now we know it's around sexual harassment. >> so as you look at this, though, impact -- i hate to say impact on the stock because this is a human story impact on the company, impact on what employees could or could not do, walk-outs over the
years. this could have a big impact >> it could, yeah. if there are consequence that actually come from this, that's something that employees have been kind of looking for this has been an open secret among -- among the company and what sources tell me so i think, you know, a shoe could drop here that we haven't seen before. >> when you say shoe could drop, give me the big shoe >> i mean, we could see executives who have been there for a long time leaving. >> leaving >> and more information come out about them >> why is the board conducting this investigation when it's the board being sued by shareholders for breaching their fiduciary duty for cover this all up in the first place? it seems like there should be an outside investigator if they really want to put this issue to bed. >> yeah, that's a good question. i think we still don't know why. some people are a little skeptical of the motive of what they could be doing if it's more to defend google as opposed to really looking out for the best interest of potential investigation. >> jennifer, it's fascinating story. keep our eyes on it. thank you.
great to see you >> thank you >> now to the opening bell on wall street, dom chu is joining us with the top stock movers hey, dom >> melissa, let's start things off with shares of ralph lauren. they're up big, 9% premarket roughly 110,000 shares of volume the high-end apparel accessories and life-style product company top forecasted sales growth at established store locations that was better than expected growth in international markets and digital sales help offset some weakness in north american markets. those shares up 9% next up we have shares of sarks oetis, health sciences company up 4%, 10,000 shares premarket volume it posted earnings beat slightly better than forecast driven in part by stronger rev phaneuf growth in north america, especially in treatments for pets which helped offset some weakness in livestock products and then we're going to end on shares of dish network, which are surging as well. higher by around 6%, roughly 50,000 shares of volume
premarket. the satellite tv operator reported profits and sales both topped estimates helped by stronger additions to paid tv and streaming video subscribers for sling tv service. joe, three green ones across the board doing hefty damage premarket. back to you. >> let's talk markets ahead of the trading day. dow currently on pace for its fifth positive week in a row the first time since march joining us is noah blackstein, senior portfolio manager at dynamic funds. you're here. >> i'm here. >> you're here in the great united states. did you come down from -- when did you get down here? >> yesterday >> yesterday, from >> toronto >> from toronto. >> on an airplane. >> i'm sure you did. it wasn't an electric one either, so you have a lot to answer for, my friend. anyway, you get to watch from afar. what do you make of what's happening in the stock market down here? you're close enough to where we're all the same >> i think the market can
continue to go higher. i think in august with the yield curve inversion, you had a number of stocks out there that were basically priced for bankruptcy some of the deep cyclicals, some of the banks, some of the retailers. you saw a massive rotation into these value beaten down names in september that sort of continued here i kind of feel like this cyclical rally may have a little further to go, but it's pricing around tariff cuts i think there is a lot of secular growth names that sold off during the last few months those names will pick up the baton from here. at the end of the day, those secular trends are still intact. unlikely to be derailed. some of the stocks are down 10, 15, 20% off their highs. i would also say i think for the more aggressive investor, doing a lot of work on the busted ipos of this year, this has been the worst year for ipo performance in 25 years. some down 60% from their ipo price, wildly over valued by private equity they deserve to be down.
now is an interesting point in time to do some work in those areas. >> what do you like in that area >> what do you say the multiple -- we'll get to that. what do you say the multiple is on next year's earnings? i just heard someone say 19. is it 19 are they low balling are they on the low end of what the s&p is going to earn in 2020 >> yeah, i mean, i don't look at the aggregate number for the s&p 500. i kind of look at the companies that i own and i think you can still find -- >> are we expensive here >> i don't think we're expensive. certainly not going into a recession we're not expensive. there are pockets of really expensive stuff. if you're willing to pay 26, 27 times earnings for electricity utility companies that don't grow and have this back door -- have this black swan type of event that you've seen in california where their equipment burns down half the state, you might have issues in some of those stocks that have been deemed defensive those are very expensive for companies that can grow, no. i think be for some of them that are growing very fast, they sold off the last 60 days, 90 days. those are pockets of opportunity. >> all right
you said you like some of these ipos i don't know if you call them busted ip os. what do you like >> babies with bath ater in the old days you never buy the next rounds. some of the guys were buying the next round look, when facebook went public, i think it fell 30% in the first week and by the first -- i think in the first six months t was down 50% from its ipo price. pin tryst pinterest is interesting to me you have avenues for monetization shopping, shop, self-servic ads and a whole bunch of other stuff. not everything is terrible in that space. >> if you look at uber or lyft you feel differently >> no, i don't i don't -- it's kind of basically dispatch model at the end of the day, software and dispatch and stuff i don't know what the business model is i said before, they're not the next amazon for sure
>> you want to buy peleton bikes? i'm trying to go through the list >> you can call the trainer. >> i get the pinterest story i understand that. >> there is stuff in technology, for example, there's companies i don't own like data dog. it's a devopps company, 8 million mark cap story in the "wall street journal" cisco bid for them $7 billion. so hutch more are you paying pre ipo? these are uncovered, unfollowed stocks i know you talk a lot about well maybe investors, the companies should get more of the ipo pop i disagree with you on that price. but now i think with all at least lockups coming off, weymouth for all these lockup, there is tremendous pressure a lot of this stuff is down a lot. eighth gait area to work. >> where are you on energy materials? we've seen a bounce recently but down for the year? >> listen, i think the august for all those groups is a terrible month there is tremendous -- so they
deserve to bounce, but you know i'm looking for much more secular growth over the next level. i really never spent a lot of time in those areas. are you buying them to essentially sell them. i'm looking for much more growth secular opportunities. >> what do you have going on do you have clients or stuff come down to just see us >> i have clients. >> that's a good thing if are you in the investment business. >> i don't know, if, hopefully, they're still clients once the wealth conference. >> yeah. oh, you want to go into that let's talk about that a little if you want to. >> it's a huge concern i think that's a huge risk to the markets. >> you go? >> elizabeth warren, yes. >> and are you not a billionaire in you think it's not in the markets right now? >> it's a risk to markets, the tax, itself, in that people would have to sell in order to pay that capital gains tax or? >> if i want to break up big technology i want to ban trafficing i want to eliminate private healthcare insurance >> so it's the warren --
>> and a lot can be done by executive order. it doesn't have to go through congress so whether it happens or not, i don't know does it weigh on the stockmarket in 2021? how could it not how could you get confidence >> let me ask you, why is it not in the market right now? >> she hasn't been elected yet >> so that's the question, though >> i'm saying it's weighing on the healthcare insurance companies and she slipped in the polls and sort of bounced back i can see, listen, it's a great slogan it allows you to punp up what done you have that they have if canada or we have in sweden what don't have you? you want to pay for healthcare, what don't you have? >> it's not what i don't have. >> it's what your country doesn't have you don't have a national sales tax. we have a national sales tax in canada we have a 25% national tax if you want to raise the money for healthcare, have a national sales tax. you can't get elected on it. the most money you can raise is
national sales tax you can't get elected promising that. >> a pretty good perspective that's why i immediately asked you are down from where you can look at us from up there from a different perspective. i love canada, but there are things that you would not want -- you would recommend we don't do certain things that canada has done >> if you do pass it, i think the best job opportunity for your kids is as an appraiser >> or an accountant. >> appraisers, for sure. >> good to see you. let's get down to the new york stock exchange, our good friend jim cramer is there this morning. i don't know if you want to weigh in to the bill gates, elizabeth warren, tete-a-tete there, jim, or we can talk about some stocks this morning as well >> i thought, no, she's not elected yet. april 29th i will be in toronto for the commitment to cures gala, which is important to me this is about people who are trying to solve illnesses and i'm excited about it
i hope to see you there, it's me and amelia clark >> there you go. one table down >> and by the way, ralph lauren, great, roku not great. and i think qualcomm may be best if show because of 5g. andrew, congratulations, i thought that the panel you had with obama, okay, and trump was amazing. i don't know why you didn't get the pope >> we're working on it we're working on it, jim >> that's an easy -- why can't you get that done? >> if i get you, i got you, if i get you and the pope -- >> nobody should do another conference, conferences are done after that conference. it's over? that's very kind you say >> it was up believable. unbelievable. >> very kind you gay how come you are not as good as andrew? i said, okay, okaying i'm working on it. >> let me ask you real quick, we had mr. kenny on earlier from nielsen. you saw that company is splitting.
>> yeah, thank heavens for elliot. >> what do you do there? >> if elliot's there, you want to buy it. there is -- elliot is so good this year. they are so host they are improving every company they touch. they are you know the one mistake that i think singer made? >> what's that >> i didn't see him at your conference, or did he get back. >> it's true it's true. >> he isn't a head leaner enough >> he's spoken at the conference a couple years ago, mr. singer >> okay. i guess he didn't make the cut this year. >> we got to get him back. >> the only thing, you didn't go to the 13th or the empire state building to get jfk, i don't know why you didn't do it. >> i'm working on it. >> remember that's where tlush is located >> let me finally ask you. you were talking about ralph lauren lauren, what do you think? >> he's shrinking to grow as my colleague david faber said, he se getting out of mall stores. he is incredibly nimble. this is a new ralph lauren people better start realizing
it i am so impressed. they use a lot of instrument, they're very social media oriented that's what it takes to sell clothing timeless, too. timeless >> there you go, too cramer. >> at poll -- >> you and me for lunch. they don't do lunch at the polo club. >> no, they don't. >> let's do dinner don't miss an exclusive interview with roku ceo antony wood that's later this afternoon on "squawk alley" but in my mind i'm still 25. that's why i take osteo bi-flex, to keep me moving the way i was made to. it nourishes and strengthens my joints for the long term. osteo bi-flex - now in triple strength plus magnesium.
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