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unfold. >> i think what will be interesting to see whether this persistence in underperformance of big cap tech continues into the close and into tomorrow. it has been the theme this week. >> it has. >> yep thank you for watching "power lunch." see you tomorrow. >> see you tomorrow. "closing bell" starts now. >> thank you welcome to "closing bell." i'm sara eisen with wilfred frost. major averages down more than half a percent looking at session lows now for the dow down 264 let's look at what is driving the action bank earnings in focus today as investment banks and trading firms like morgan stanley do better consumer banking firms struggle. technology and travel stocks both losing ground as coronavirus cases continue to surge in parts of the u.s. a mixed picture on the data front. chinese growth returns but retail sales come in weak. here in the u.s., the labor market remains shaky but we
resee recovery in retail sales dow down 271 session lows 59 minutes left of trade >> the nasdaq has been the underperformer is actually off its lows we're kind of moving around, as we speak, in the final hour. all the major indexes are lows ahead on today's show, we'll speak to mike sievert. we'll get an upgraciointergrac sprint and the president of the university of arizona will outline his plan for the fall semester as cases and hospitalizations rise in that state. we'll focus on the big stories we're watching at this hour steve liesman with details on today's jobless claims will is digging into big bank earnings and meg has details on johnson and johnson's results. but, steve, start us off with the jobs picture.
>> you know, we're getting two different stories from the jobless claims one of improvement and one where the improvement has kind of flat lined. we'll take a look at the numbers. claiming coming in at 1.3 million. above expectations dow just 10,000 on the weekly jobless claims that's kind of flat lined. but the continuing claims down again. a good number down 400,000 but high at 17.3 million and the pandemic unemployment assistance with those not typically eligible freelancers and contractors, still a big number 14.3 million people receiving that take a look at the chart, we rocketed up to 6-million a week. huge numbers it came down steadily but it kind of flat lined at the 1.3 millionaire that causes concern about the jobs picture however, the continuing claims number does not. the michael gapen reported the rate may be hiring in the northeast but statement it's slowing in the south
retail better than expectations. here is what we get after most the big numbers are. down 32.5% for the second quarter. good bounce back in the third quarter. and, again, in the fourth. we don't make it all up for the year the median forecast of the economist down 4.4% for the full year 2020. sara >> i feel like people in washington aren't talking about or thinking about as much as they should be the expiration of the extra unemployment benefits when they run out. i know this has become a partisan issue and, you know, there's talk of doing something, steve. but what will happen if they don't extend that extra $600 bump >> i don't think they've appreciated how much that extra money has held up the economy and it's a direct line, sara, from the stronger retail sales numbers we've had. there are several studies that helped retail sales really help keep the economy being worsen than it otherwise would be
even though it's pretty bad. and you are absolutely right you shouldn't feel that way. you should know that way because if they were so concerned, how is it possible thaw left it well into the second half of july to begin debating what is going to happen when these benefits run out at the end of the month. >> right. >> exactly get something done all right, steve thank you. stocks are moving in different directions wilfred, what is the story >> as you said, moving in different directions because we got this classic snapshot of investment banking versus commercial banking morgan stanley first smashing estimates on both the top and bottom lines every business line beat expectations as with the other investment banks, fixed income currencies and commodity trading are attracting the most attention. they also saw their provisions
fall from already relatively low 407d million in q 1 to $239 million in q 2 bank of america also beating on both lines and had strong trading revenues but the stock trading due to the obvious signalty of the business model net interest margins falling to 1.87%. their provisions of 5.1 billion obviously way higher than morgan stanley given the totally different business mix but better than expected in a smaller quarter over quarter increase than others like wells fargo. m bank of america is down 30% wells fargo, by the way, down over 50% year to date. it's a nice snapshot with the different performers another swing factor going forward is capital returns to shareholders here is james gorman on that. >> we're talking about 10 to $10 billion of excess capital and still laggering for some relief
on the -- not to get too weedy about it but the way it calculates in compensation we want world class technology and invest in that and the next generation that jim is talking about that is critical to the future growth. we should increase our dividend and we should be back on the buy back trail not just yet let's get through the new stress test in september. let's see how the economy performs in the next three to six months but 2021, you know, morgan stanley should be doing something for the benefit of our shareholders and for our clients. >> we certainly are not there yet, sara, in terms of reinstating buy backs. but an optimistic call on the analyst call and the interview from james on the possibility of getting that and, perhaps, if you're looking for why morgan stanley is doing better than goldman sachs year to date it had a better capital performance in the stress test and may get to that point sooner
than goldman sachs but either way, the clear winners of the week are goldman sachs and morgan stanley and then once you go into the commercial banks, it's the ones that have bigger exposure to trading within them like jpmorgan that have done best and the ones that are pure commercial banks like wells fargo who have done worse. >> so, are you saying that wall street is finally really starti starting to differentuate between the banks in they're not just trading as one group based on where the 10-year yield is. based on their exposure you highlighted. >> yeah. absolutely the investment bank performance versus the commercial bank performance shows that year to date then you throw in within the commercial banks the bank of america down sort of 30% year to date compared to a wells fargo down 50% year to date. there's differentiation. the one common theme that units all of them, whatever that business mix is, sara, is the tone on the jut look for the
rest of the year that's one of uncertainty. and that is the little bit of surprise that you get when you look week to date, kpw is higher 1.4% if you went off the tone of the macro outlook, you wouldn't have expected it to rise this week. and, of course, coming off the low base for a sector that is declining sharply year to date explains why they are higher banks lower for the most part today. johnson & johnson out with results today. the company giving an update on the vaccine candidate. meg has the latest. >> hey telling us this morning the company plans to start its phase one trial of its covid vaccine next week. the first human trial will be more than 1,000 participants between the ages of 18 and 55 as well as a group 65 plus to
include the vulnerable older population they'll start this the 22nd in belgium and the following week in the united states saying on the call they plan to start a phase two in the netherlands, spain, and germany and pursuing a phase one potentially in japan now that lines them up, if all goes well, to start a phase three trial. they're in discussions with nih at the end of september. that puts them a few months behind pfizer that is starting the phase three this month and astrazeneca in august. but j & j has a lot of manufacturing power. and the ceo told us this morning on ""squawk box." >> we have two -- in our netherlands facility we have added to the capacity and signed some definitive agreements with contract manufacturers here in the u.s. we'll be able to supply at a run rate of probably better than a billion vaccines by the end of next year. >> and, guys, here is how it lines up all the projections we've seen
from the frontrunner companies in terms of how much they'll be able to supply pfizer 100 million doses this year. astrazeneca already signed agreements to supply 400 million doses and a billion at the end much next year and j & j with the billion forecast, too. this is why everybody says multiple vaccines are so important to be able to supply the whole globe. back to you. >> yeah. a lot of people are going to need them. meg, just a quick question on this study that made the rounds. it was published over the weekend from king's college in london about anti-bodies showing anti-body responses may actually wind down after as little as two months and i wonder what the vaccine implications are for that and if it's denting the optimism we've seen this week over the breakneck speed the manufacturers are coming out with the trial.
>> it's a question people are paying attention to. you hear a lot of talk about the rest of the t-cell responses those are getting a lot of attention paid to them and the astrazeneca results we'll see on monday published as well as for moderna. the idea the anti-bodies don't last that long, do the t-cells last long enough to provide immunity these are things that will be studied in the large trials coming up. >> meg, thank you so much. after the break, we'll speak with t-mobile ceo about how the integration with sprint is going so far plus, a big new push to prevent robo call scams. you're watching cnbc experience the adventure of a bigger world in a highly capable lexus suv at the golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2020 nx 300 for $339 a month for 36 months.
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shield it's a free initiative including enhanced caller id, a free second number, and scam id and blocking our producer claims he gets more robo calls than calls. how are you helping to deal with this in a way your competitors aren't >> it's a huge issue that's what the uncarrier has been about we figure out the pain points bothering people in this industry and we tackle them to your lead in, i mean, these losses people are experiencing here during covid, it's just shameful last year there were 58 billion robo calls placed in this country. people lost $10 billion from the crimes that were pursuant to the calls. that's nuts. so the industry is just got to do more. that's what today's breakthrough announcements were about
>> so my question is, how much is it going to cost. it follows the strategy of john legre announcing the uncarriers and worth it and added to market share, now you're a different company, a combined, bigger, solid number three player, is it worth the cost of doing the add ones >> of course and, you know, the answer is really we first just do what is right and solve the pain points. people love that about us and wind upcoming to t-mobile. we're a growth company we felt compelled during the quarter to update our guidance we would not do zero to 150,000 new postpaid net ads but more like 800 to 900,000. we're a growth company and we need to do more to solve the pain point in the industry you mention verizon. they're profiting from this initiative we say things in the industry have to change at verizon you pay $7.99 for a feature that would protect you from scams and robo calls.
already t-mobile is 30% better than everybody else. this is a huge problem we shouldn't be profiting from the robo calls that our networks are helping to bring you the ai technology will identify the calls and stop them. and every customer is going to get a scam shield app that allows them to provide us with direct feedback as to which calls were scammed so next time you get the calls, you'll be able to with a single touch tell us they were scams and that informs the ai engines in our network and it gets better and better and better and better even without today's announcements. we blocked 25 billion robo calls in the last three years alone. and 11% of our traffic was blocked or identified as scam calls just in the recent weeks
this is a huge issue it's the number one complaint to the fcc and we knew a comprehensive end-to-end solution was required. that's what scam shield is all about. as you consolidate sprint, do you think prices will stay where they are or do you think we'll see a price war rise fairly soon again? >> well, two things. first of all, yes. solving pain points has gotten us here. we have done 16 breakthrough uncarrier moves so far each one identified something customers were passionate about.
customers give us credit for addressing the big issues in this industry and changing the industry for good. and that's driven our brand. but to your point, look, people want a couple of things on top of that. they want a great value and they want a great network that's what the new t-mobile is about. we're building the world's best 5 g network with the unique resources of the combined company. we're also going to bring a new level of competition we have the cost structure to enable it now. we'll bring a new level of competition starting with our unification under the t-mobile brand coming up on august 2nd. i think, you know, at&t and verizon should be a little bit nervous about that. >> well, how is that the integration going? breit is expecting about billions of dollars to come in the next few years. >> it's going fantastic. we're ahead of schedule. you know, now the government did accidentally give us an extra
year to plan this merger so, you know, it's not surprising to have itscheduled it's ahead of schedule our team has done a phenomenal job getting this network built faster than we had expected. we already had mid band 5g, the center piece of our strategy we have it deploy in five of the biggest cities new york, l.a., chicago, philly, houston big cities and people are seeing 300 meg bit per seconds average. that's ten times faster than 4g lte across the country, 23% of the hand sets are seeing 5g. 23% availability we think it's best in the world. you want to know what the stat is for verizon now if you have an enabled hand set, 0.4% so verizon has been breathlessly talking about 5g for years now the truth is, their strategy
based on millimeter wave won't reach people the way ours is it's game changing speed and capability. >> pivoting a little bit away from t-mobile. everyone is expecting 5g is a game-changer for companies like apple. even 23% of yours is the highest. that's still pretty low to suggest everyone will be transitioning or need to transition or have a benefit from transitioning to a 5g hand set until much later next year. >> right i mean, even though this has been talked about for awhile, we're at the beginnings of the game this is like 2010 in 4g when verizon jumped out in front of everybody. and you saw how that changed the competitive landscape through the 4g era they were able to claim a mantle of network leadership. we've jumped out in front of everybody in the 5g era. and customers will be benefitting from that for the next decade. and i think it'll change again the competitive landscape as
people realize there's a clear leader in the 5g arena and that is t-mobile. they don't appreciate the benefits that have yet but they will. >> when will 5g hand sets be necessary for consumers across america? >> i think they're going to be table stakes next year i think we'll see broad availability this year i certainly hope we do and so this is the formative year where already on the android side the biggest flag ship hand sets have 5g and they have our 5g strategy built in but i'm hoping that's across the board or later this year we'll have to see what happens in the industry. it's important the networks are here now and the capabilities are here. we're building the highest capacity network in u.s. history. we're finally breaking down the trade-off people need to make. am i getting the best network or the best value we'll be uniquely positioned to
deliver both to consumers and businesses. >> e ya. that will be a big question mark whether apple comes out with a 5g phone as early as september generally on the environment and the recession, now that states have opened back up, are you seeing any improvement are you able to open the stores and get the promos through in a way you were not over the last few months on a related note, what about small business >> that's one of the reasons we timed this integration for august 2nd we originally had a 90-day plan putting it at july 1st we did push it out about a month because of covid we were telling people mid summer for the integrated launch today we unveiled it's august 2nd. it shows we're seeing interest out there. people are coming back but, look, it's important we do it safely across the country t-mobile requires masks in our stores it's not optional. if people need special accommodations we're able to meet them over the phone or outdoors
we're doing everything we can to keep our customers and team safe in order provide this essential service to consumers and, you know, consumers and businesses, to your point, have realized through this crisis that this service is essential that's important as we enter the tighter economic circumstances that as we unfold following the pandemic and people will be -- they won't drop this category they may ask, if they have the right provider they may ask if there's an opportunity to save money without trading off network performance. we'll be there as an important alternative. >> thank you good to check in we have got just about 36 minutes left of trade. take a look at the dow we're off sessions low now we recovered a bit down 182. boeing the biggest drag. s&p off about .5%. and the nasdaq gained a little bit of ground.
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33 minutes left to go. here is is a check on the markets. dow is down 191. boeing the biggest drag. walgreens the biggest winner you have some defensive groups holding. utilities, materials, and consumer staples are the positives. otherwise a lot of selling the nasdaq down almost a percent. we'll jump on individual market movers cruise stocks with airlines, travel plays are falling today reversing yesterday's gains. norwegian, american airlines among the worst performers they were the best yesterday shares of virgin galactic up sharply on news of a ceo a 30-year veteran of disney. he's got the consumer experience
but no aero space background unless you count the recently finished "star wars" land at disney park. and spotify is rising on another high profile partnership it's former first lady michelle obama launching the pod cast the obamas have a production deal with netflix and her memoir was the best-selling book in the u.s. in years. so michelle obama, kim kardashian, joe roggin they are quadrupling down. at a time when shares have fallen >> they are. the other spin is how brilliant these deals are with the obamas. each time we announce them we say another exclusive deal they have managed to separate out the tv production from the book from the pod casts. congratulations to them. they must be doing well off it i guess pod casts are different
from tv shows. if they're similar theme interview type shows you think it's not exclusive either way spotify is up still ahead, moments away from the first faang report of earnings season. will netflix be able to keep pace after last quarter's blow out subscriber number? they added 50.7 million in q 1 the forecast from analysts is over 8 million in q 2. can they do that, if they don't perhaps shares will slip after the extrrd their run they've been on this year. we'll check on bonds treasury yields dipping today 0.62% on the ten-year. ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i should get a quote.
welcome back 28 minutes left of trade for an update on coronavirus hot spots across the country, texas and florida adding more than 10,000 new cases yesterday florida now adding more daily cases than new york was adding during its peak back in april. the mortality rate, though, is much lower in florida and texas, though texas reporting 136 deaths yesterday. florida reporting 156 whereas new york had reported daily deaths topping 1,000 on some of its worst days meantime, the trump administration has ordered hospitals to begin reporting data to the department of health and human services and to no longer report it to the cdc. this means information like the number of patients each hospital is treating and the number of available beds and ventilators may no longer be available to
the public since the hhs data base is currently not open to the public unclear what the cdc will do with the information that's their thing they have the whole data drove to figure out, you know, where we are in this pandemic and how to make recommendations. they'll obviously still get it but it'll unclear what the public and what wall street will actually get in terms of the information and the trends. >> yeah. we'll have to wait to see on that front as we stand on wall street we're off the lows we're down 150 on the dow. the nasdaq continues to lag. it's down 0.6% time for the cnbc news update with sue herrera. >> hello here's what's happening. a washington law firm tells cnbc it has been hired by the city's nfl team to independently review its, quote, culture policies, and allegations of workplace misconduct a league source also tells espn some partial owners of the team have hired an investment bank as they try to sell their stakes.
all of this comes as the team's primary owner, dan schneider, is deciding on a new name after retiring one that had been seen as a racial slur against native americans. within the last hour, colorado joined arkansas as the most recent state to require face coverings as covid-19 cases search in the south and west the governor said he sees warning signs all around we are on the knife's edge many nearby states have shown us what will happen it's not what may happen it's what will happen. if we don't regain our footing and take social distancing at mass seriously horse raging at san diego's delmar racetrack has been suspended until a week from tomorrow 15 jockeys tested positive for covid-19 you are up to date that's the news update this hour back to you. >> wow thank you very much.
a new lawsuit could through a wrench in the grocery delivery plans. hi, deirdre. >> instay cart is suing corner start acquired by uber last year that will serve as the platform for grocery delivery in north america. in a -- uber responded with a at the same time. shots have been fired. get ready for the grocery delivery wars. back to you. >> all right thank you. 24 minutes left of trading here is where we stand in the markets. dow down 34. we continue to recover from deeper losses we saw at the top of the hour. the nasdaq off half a percent.
we're cutting our losses here in half we have groups positive. utilities, materials, staples, and consumer discretionary turning green in the last few minutes. coming up next, about 24 hours ago when something very strange started happening on twitter. what started as a few hacked accounts quickly grew into a massive breach of high-level officials and executives we'll discuss the fallout with the former u.s. chief technology officer from the white house that's next. i'm going to start the bidding at $5. thank you, sir. looking for $6. $6 over there! do i hear 7? $7 in the front! $7 going once. going twice. sold to the onion lover in the front row! next up is lot number 17, a spinach and artichoke dip, beautifully set in a hollowed-out loaf of sourdough bread. don't get mad get e*trade and get more than just trading investing. banking. guidance. get e*trade and get more than just trading ♪ ♪
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former barack obama was a coordinated social engineering attack and the company saying moments ago it sees no current evidence that hackers accessed passwords in the attack. joining us now to discuss is aneesh chopra. thank you so much for joining us if they didn't access passwords, what do we think might have gone on who is to blame for this is this still very much down to lax controls at twitter? >> well, i would say there are two ways to access information in the system. one is the user logging in what we do in our personal lives. the other are administrative access provisions. staff with certain credentials can access almost the entire data base. these have been the sensitive areas for attack if enterprises some of those, they can do more harm. the whole industry, twitter is
not alone. struggles with how to protect against the attacks. we know -- we view these as the warfare in words of my friends in the d.o.d hackers can choose many ways to come in. we can constantly try to protect against -- around our i.t. systems but we know they're going to be constantly pressured. the key here, and this is somewhat good news at least they were able to uncover the attack about an hour or so in their response time was not ideal but better than perhaps having this linger on. it's a wake up call for the system as a whole. >> do you think that twitter was more susceptible to this than other social media companies or not fair to point the finger specifically at them >> i would say that every digital platform is susceptible. if you ask me what is keep me up at night issue, i would say a cyber attack
anyone and everyone is susceptible. i think most people view these attacks as worrisome when they involve financial scams. that's a small impact or your personal information like your health records but in this case, twitter is a administratorly concerning attack for election misinformation that's one more reason to be worried if it has downstream effects that other attacks might follow that are successful. >> as this was unfolding, we were all sort of glued to the presidential twitter account, which we know is quite active. it doesn't look like he was brought into that. the white house spokesperson did say his account was secure and that the president will not stop using twitter. does he have special protections on his account to make him less vulnerable to systems like that?
>> i'm not privy to that but he might be keeping his account secure from the way he accesses but somebody has access on the back end and if that particular process is comprised, then we're all at risk. it is possible we don't know maybe his account was in some form or fashion capable of being manipulated but the attackers may not have chosen to use his account to communicate out we don't know, at this stage, exactly the scale of it. my presumption would be almost all accounts might have been available for the attackers, if they had mrtdive access, which appears to be. >> they targeted the most wealthy people out there if you want to stop it happening even in the first place, but we are also getting a reminder about the risks around bitcoin whether they should be more regulation there
is it easier to track and find after it didn't exist and it went through traditional dollars and banking systems? >> i would not take the bitcoin story from this as the area of greatest focus i think mostly it's about manipulating the digital services we rely upon. it happens to be misyuted for a relatively modest scam on bitcoin. but the bigger issue is what happened if a message was sent that had foreign policy implications, market moving implications, election implications, and so here i'm more worried about the fact that someone's accounts were comprised for use. the fact they were used for bitcoin, it's part of the overall debate we're having about keeping that information secure i don't think this materially moves the needle on bitcoin regulation. >> thank you so much for joining us, aneesh. >> thank you for having me. >> after the break a red downgrade for disney in the one sector that could do well during the back-to-school season.
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14 minutes left in the trading day. we're now in the closing bell market zone. commercial-free coverage of the action going into the close. here to break down the crucial moments of the trading day is stefanie link is back. and sylvia joins us, as well we'll kick it off with the broader market stocks off the worst levels but under pressure after worse than expected jobless claims data earlier. the dow on track to close lower for the first time in five days. we were down 280 when we started the show we're down 132 again, some dip buyers communication services part of the theme here that turned positive. a lot of media stocks are higher staples also doing better along with utilities, which is the defensive trade. the buying, the buying urge
continues. it continues to be a glass half full market. what is driving it, in your opinion? >> well, it doesn't have a defensive feel to me utility staples outperformed i think the bigger story, though, even though communications rally technology did not. and it's the rotation out of technology and it's the relative underperformance we've seen pretty much all week of the nasdaq 100 under performing the s&p 500. and that is what is our leader without the leadership, you kind of feel a little more defensive. let's wait for earnings. i think earnings will help this sector let's also keep in mind the s&p is flat up a year and the nasdaq 100 is up 20% on the year with many of these stocks up double, triple, quadruple that i get why people are taking profits. i think tech got very crowded. i think you have to be creative on evaluation justification at these levels you have to look at things like total addressable market you have to look at ev to sales and that kind of thing and not the traditional pe some people get uncomfortable with that, myself included, by
the way. i believe in the total addressable market story for technology when i have cloud growing to $600 billion in the next two years, internet of things and a trillion dollars over the next two years, wearables at $50 billion over the next couple of years, those are the places where you want to have exposure. just don't chaise these stocks and wait for pullbacks like we're getting now. >> so buy them again now i know you sold out of some of your tech names of late or at least trimmed them are you rebuying >> not buying yet. i'm waiting a little bit more of a pullback there are some stocks. amazon is down 6% this week alone. i trimmed that i trimmed it at 40% and it went up 70% clearly i want it to come down facebook i saw it again, yeah, absolutely the price for everything, wolf, but i think you be patient in the market especially given we are seeing the rotation at this point in time. >> sylvia, nasdaq composite is down 1.4% and the dow up 2.5%.
i mean, it's not a massive rotation yet would you be tempted to take profits in some of those tech names? >> you know, i think that this is just par for the course with some of the market uncertainty we're expecting to see this year growth has growth has outperfore this year by about 30% or so and the names that have really led that have been the tech names. we're expecting to see earnings pull back 44%, but two-thirds of the names in the market have done well. so, you know, i agree with stephanie. i love the idea of looking at the work from home types of things, you know, anything that touches cyber security, cloud, online communications, new data sharing and things like that i think these are good days to buy on the dips there. you know, the big names like the amazons and microsoft continue to have a good story for me in the future because i think the hybrid versions will continue to support a lot of those names
>> rising coronavirus cases -- sorry -- in florida and california will hurt disney. that's according to a new note downgrading disney to market performance. cowen says disney's orlando park could be forced to close again and restrictions in effect until at least 2021. disney domestic parks won't recover to 2019 profitability levels until 2025. cowen also doesn't expect any new film releases this year and only a modest slate in 2021. still around that 120 level, kind of splitting the 150 high and the 80 low so far this year. stephanie, where do you stand on this one >> so i used to own this last year, and then i sold it in february about 140 basically it was the euphoria of disney plus that got me a little
bit on edge. everybody was on one side, very, very bullish unfortunately this company is in the eye of the storm with covid. i think the notice spot-on in terms of covid affecting all of their businesses and there is really nowhere to hide i mean, the stat that you just referred to, the nonprofitability return of the fiscal '19 numbers until fiscal '25, that's astounding to me that's the first thing second thing clearly the film slate is going to be hampered a bit there, too and then of course you have espn and we don't know what's going to happen with sports. all at the same time when they're spending a ton of money on disney plus, which isn't going to be profitable until 2023 i think you have time on this. perhaps if it got to the 100 level, i would get more interested in it but right now i just don't find it compelling. >> let's talk about retail sales from the back to school shopping season could hit a record $102 billion according to
the national retail federation a 26% increase from last year. but it could be a totally different set of retailers benefitting this season as many parents prepare for another semester of remote learning. laptop sales are expected to surge. 55% of shoppers surveyed expect some classes to be from home this fall. and of those 72% say they expect to buy new computers, home furnishings or other supplies to study from home. do you like this as an investment theme around the retailers? it certainly is counter intuitive that back to school would be doing very well >> yeah, absolutely. for me it is almost again going back to that tech story. a lot of the parents that are home schooling their kids are going to go out and buy laptops and ipads and different types of technology that support the at home learning that they're going to have to do. again, it plays into whether it's schooling from home or
officing from home you have this work from home theme where, you know, there is a huge reliance on technology, onion line communication, the zoom boom type of names. and i think everything from the apple to microsoft, 5g, the work from home types of things will benefit from this. i think it is also a great opportunity because i think we're just starting a societal change here. i think we're at the bottom. i don't think the valuations in those names are too high if you look at some etfs, it might be a good way to position for that trend to me, it is a tech story. >> stephanie, after a couple of weeks of slightly tempid data, what do you think? the bank of america call saying their credit card spend data, which was flat was in june was actually slightly high in july, which might not be what people expected given the spike in cases. >> i mean, i think the consumer
has been resilient 7.5% month after month after last month's number was revised higher to 18%. that's huge, will. i would say this article on your site about this back to school phenomenon, i could see it happening, by the way. electronics were up 37% in the most recent retail sales report. i think employment is certainly not great, but it is improving you have confidence has stayed pretty high actually which has been surprising to me. you have no inflation anywhere and then you also have a savings rate at 23%. plus, you have another probably $1 trillion in fiscal stimulus coming in the next couple of weeks. let's watch and see how that goes i think the consumer is okay, and i'm very encouraged by the data that we have seen in the last couple of weeks >> so the argument is that the consumer is okay because of the tremendous amount of stimulus that has been slowing.
that's why confidence has held up and that's why spending has held up. that's all sort of artificially distorting the picture of what americans are feeling right now, which is joblessness with those benefits set to expire and run out. >> well, and i think that's why it is really important that congress gets a bill passed. i think it sounds like -- in fact, today i read -- i have been hearing $500 billion. today i heard $1 to $1.5 trillion i think that's actually a pretty good thing i don't like that we have to prop up the consumer or prop up employees, but i do think -- i do think that there is a tailwind here. i think the stimulus is very much alive and well, and if they have to do more, they're going to do more. >> border markets improving again. s&p down nasdaq down 0.8%, jumping around there as you can see as we
approach the close netflix giving earnings in just a few minutes. a key preview for us. >> well, we are watching netflix's subscriber growth and where netflix can continue its gains from next quarter. 7.5 million new subscribers. the question is how many subscriber edition netflix guides to. analysts are forecasting 5.3 million. in the second quarter analysts expect netflix to grow earnings 200% and revenue by 24%. netflix shares have gained about 60% this year and 61% of analysts have a buy or overweight rating on the stock guys, back over to you. >> thanks so much for that. stef, up 63% today but down 4% this week does that make this setup any more easy or do they have to smash this number or else they're going to slide
>> i think they are going to smash the number if you look at the app down loads that you can get this data intraquarter, and it looks like the app downloaded 75 million times the netflix app if you look at the google app sites so the numbers are going to be great, i think the guidance at five million might be conservative. the question is did they pull forward. that's the question. the question is what they're going to do internationally because those international numbers aring a actually coming down i want to hear a lot of different data points from the company today, but i don't like the setup, not up 61%. >> are you a buyer at these pricey levels on netflix >> you know, i think i'm a sort of wait and see on this one. i think they're going to crush the $8 million number. i think a lot of people are at home and have a lot of time on their hands and are signing up for netflix. i do agree with the idea that probably a lot of the users they expected to download and sign up
towards the end of the year are probably up and on now the number of subscribers will matter i like the company is saying they're becoming more cash efficient to the tune of about $1 billion or so but it is always the subscriber number with netflix that matters. if they crush that number, the stock will go up in the short term i think they probably have a lot of uncertainty because a lot of it depends on, you know, when people are back out of the house right now. we all have a lot of incentive to sit home and watch whatever it is, "tiger king" or some of the other popular shows. >> the s&p is down only a third of 1%. there is the dow for you down 134 points it was down closer to 300 at the lows, which was at the start of this final hour of trade you can see that rally in the final hour of trade. the nasdaq remains down 0.7% utilities, materials lead the charge utilities in particular up 1.3%.
real estate and tech down at the bottom. gold sharply down at 1%. the dollar rallied at that moment but the equity market at the close down 0.4% in the s&p 500 oust over half a percent on the dow. nasdaq comp is down 0.8% not too bad of a close, certainly well off session lows. welcome back everyone to closing bell take a look at how we finish up the day on wall street lower. we did break a four day win streak for the dow but only down 135. i say that because in the last hour it was a bit of a recovery hour there we went positive at one point in the day but we were down as much as 180 in the final hour of the trade. boeing the biggest drag. walgreens the biggest winner the strongest, utilities, communications services and
industrials. and that was the media story was technology did not have a great day. nasdaq down three-quarters of 1% technology near the bottom of the s&p today right down there with some of the real estate names. and index of small caps up three-quarters of 1% continues to break out here a little bit, showing some signs of strength. some people wondering if this is the catch-up moment. investors are weighing we will break down netflix's results which are set to be released any moment now. the stock finished higher. joining us to talk about the market today, stephanie link still with us. and deutsche bank u.s. equity and global strategist joins the conversation i think you have been pretty constructive and have liked the market are you still feeling that way with the market continuing to
climb to levels here going flat on the year for the s&p 500? >> i'm sorry were you talking to me i just lost you there for a second. >> i was >> i was just wondering if you still like the -- >> apologies hold on one second my apologies, binky. we will come back to you in a moment but we just got the netflix numbers. so subs of course is the key paid net ads beat expectations we are looking for $8.3 billion compared to the $15.8 billion last quarter they had $10.1 billion also of course we will be focussing on the forecast for q3, the guide or what people were expecting was 5.3 billion there. that was lower at $2.5 billion so a comfortable and impressive beat for this quarter of 10 billion net ads compared to the
forecast for the q3 guide of 2.5. the forecast was for $6.1 billion and eps coming in at 1.60, a little softer relatively expectation 1.8. despite the beat on subs for this quarter, i guess, juliet, the guide there on next quarter that's dragging the shares down. >> absolutely. i think what's really dragging the shares down is the fact that it does appear that they were pulling forward subscriber editions even though they beat the forecast for q3 subscribers is half of what was anticipated by analysts. but the other big headline is that ted sarandos, the content chief of netflix has been named co-ceo and elected to the board of directors so they have been partners for
decades. this change makes formal what was already informal i think it does speak to the new orleans of that creative role at netflix. he will continue to serve as chief content officer and greg peters has been appointed coo in addition to his chief product officer role so some moving of the shares there, but it is really important to know that he is now co-ceo with founder and ceo reid hastings. >> one other number as well, which if we dive into the new york america net ads, that was a decent beat for the quarter coming in at $2.9 million, the forecast for that was just under $1 million that often seen as the most profitable region. let's take into numbers. bernny, i come to you first, what was your take on these headline numbers >> certainly
so it is the 2.5 million guide is what matters most that's why stock fell off. what's interesting as well is operating guide, operating margin guide, 16% for 20 they have a new guide for '21 of 19%. that's roughly in line with consensus. and free cash flow, they expect this year to break even versus a billion earned before. almost a flip here that normally you have focussed on subscriber growth the bear normally focussed on the free cash flow probably as something getting into in the subscribers here. >> on the headline that reid haasings is getting a co-ceo in ted sarandos, what is the significance of that >> it is a momentous change for sure it's also been a long time coming interestingly enough, ted has been the most visible executive.
in fact, he's the one they put out in front of cameras or any time reporters call in they always make him available he also gets paid the same amount but it's also been part of the shift where netflix has really moved or shifted from being more of a technology focussed business to an entertainment and media focussed business, and that's really ted. you know, it is the content that drives a business, that drives the new subs not to say that tech isn't important because it's a huge part of netflix offering, what differentiates netflix from the other businesses out there netflix still leads on the tech side of things, but it really is a sign of, you know, it's more of a hollywood facing business, and that's been ted's job. >> of course on the content question, big one was when we could get back into production to make sure we didn't fall off a cliff of new production. they're back in production they recently resumed production in california. but hope to add more u.s. production this quarter in north
america. the share price down, what, 10% or so. a reminder, it was up 63% year to date coming in to these numbers. juliet has been digging through the release. >> i just want to point here to reid hastings comments about competition. he knows that all the major entertainment companies like warner and disney are pushing their own streaming services and two apple and amazon are growing their investment and premium content. he also says tiktok's growth is astou astounding he says we continue to stick to our strategy of trying to improve our service and content every quarter faster than our peers. it is a testament to the approach in the size of entertainment market to your point, will, about production, netflix really has been a leader in terms of maintaining production and re-starting production during
the shutdown so he talks about the success there and how the pouss in production are impacting competitors and suppliers similarly, but because they have such a deep library, he says they member their member satisfaction will remain high even though they are starting some production there. just looking at the impact of covid, they do believe that that user growth will slow down i think that's why they're forecasting those relatively low numbers for the third quarter, because they believe everything has been pulled forward. >> buddy, to come to you next, i mean, the topic of competition which julia was addressing peacock is launches as of yesterday. is that a threat, or have they shown netflix in the last 12 months that they can kind of fight off all these other new streaming launchers? >> yeah. with peacock, i think they will be a leader in premium digital advertising over time, but because of things like the olympics getting pushed out,
that was really the main content that was supposed to be coming in 2020. so in 2021, you have the office, you have the olympics, nfl wild card playoff time and '22 the olympics again as well as the super bowl so i think eventually peacock could be more of a player in the streaming wards and drive more cord cutting as well as you get high quality sports moving out of the bundle into streaming but i don't think it will be a 2020 theme one other thing i wanted to mention that we're focussed on for the calls tonight is any commentary on price increases, the cfo last time around said price increases aren't even on their minds. but revenue growth we have been looking at high revenue growth a year from now and so looking for any commentary there >> stephanie, stocks down 10.5% here after hours i guess the guidance numbers do
come as a big purchase we expected the first half of the year to see block buster growth here as many parts of the nation were shut down and have been slow to start up. what is your take? >> yeah. but the stock rallied 61% and trades at 77 times forward estimates, whatever those estimates are going to be. i think the sub numbers were good, solid. but those numbers had been inching higher all throughout the quarter. netflix app was downloaded 75 million times in the quarter that is a huge, huge number. ive think the fact that production is going to restart, that means your cash burn rate goes up. he's talking about competition to me down 10%, it is not up for me to buy it i would love to see this pulled back more, but it makes me worry about some of these other technology stocks that have rallied so much on the work from home theme i think that is something we all have to keep in mind and perhaps maybe that is what the market is starting to sniff out, which is why tech has underperformed the overall market in the last week.
>> when we used to get this release, we'd also be reading through the content frachs to see which shows had done best. i guess two questions on that. is that less key now with this release because they are breaking during the quarter on the app, which the top ten streaming shows at that very moment and secondly, are originals, netflix originals still the key for them going forward >> so, yeah, the data on netflix views has always been a wonky thing. it releases information the way they want to we don't know what the viewer ship is. you're asking the right question what is going to be more important going forward is less the viewer ship numbers than their content schedule in other words, are they releasing enough new stock, where it's originals or even licensed stuff that will draw in the new subscribers because studies have shown that's what really matters more than actual viewing because unlike linear television, you know, the more you watch netflix, they're not
making more money. they're making more money when people subscribe and stay. so it is the new stuff it is the scheduled releases that actually drives that more than how many people have watched a familiar show or film. we still want to know that stuff, but that's not the driver the driver is going to be the release schedule you know what, their cash burn has to go up it is nice to see their positive recash flow finally again the second quarter of doing so, but longer term, you know, they need to keep that up in order to keep people interested and keep people signing up. >> well, nothing on the production schedule, but they actually are talking about resuming productions, and they're mentioning -- they're kind through region by region parts of the world depending on how the virus is doing they said they're furthest along in asia pacific, never fully shut down production in korea. they're now shooting live action of a japanese original in emea they're back to shooting in germany and france they do anticipate that they are
going to continue to ramp up production here in the u.s. this quarter. though, they note the current infection trends are creating more uncertainty on that front sylvia, stock now down 11.3% after hours. are you a buyer on the dip here or there are some causes for concern? >> i think there is some causes for concern, and i think that, again, those come down to the subscriber number. once production gets up and running, you know, if they have stellar new adds to the platf m platform, i think the continued interest whether it's the work from home, study from home situation will have them looking for content. so if they have stellar content and crash all the applications out there and programming out there, then i think they have a shot to really pick up and price again. but i would probably wait and see a little bit and the subscriber number could also change depending on how long the pandemic goes on and people are at home with very little to do
so i think it's a keep an eye on it, wait and see. >> well, randolph, this first discussion on netflix there, thank you, all, to everyone for joining us bernie and ed particularly just to end, though, 25 million new subscribers in the course of 2020 pretty extraordinary stuff there from netflix, even if the share pricing are trading off today. just want to round out the broader market discussion before we go to break what can you draw from a move like that when we see it in a stock like netflix does it suggest to you that the broad tech stocks have run up too far too fast this year >> definitely on a relative basis i would argue they have run up too far too fast. but the market as a whole, i would argue probably not just yet. >> what about the fang stocks in
particular netflix down 8%. i'm not sure it sets the tone, but where do these valuations look to you at this point? >> so, you know, we have this very unusual and unique situation that basically the mega cap growth stocks are beneficiaries of the very negative, big shock that we've had. so it's sort of basically you have a negative shock for the economy as a whole with the biggest and strongest are actually, you know, big beneficiaries, and the market has basically looked at them as a way of avoiding the cyclical risk as a place to hide. and so, you know, they have a run up very far, but i would argue, you know, if you want to be neutral, i don't think you want to be underweight they are definitely clear, you know, relative beneficiaries absolutely relative beneficiaries, but that's very
much the outlook for the market from here is really about, you know, the rest of the s&p 500 rand whether, you know, the market is going to start to get more comfortable with cyclical growth all right. we'll leave it there thank you. good to have you all onboard thank you. up next, much more on netflix's big earnings miss, and at least the stock selling off the disappointing results and whether netflix's stock will be able to continue its recent rally even as it faces increasing competition from the likes of disney plus and peacock, which is a part of our parent company, nbc universal. we're back in just 90 seconds.
welcome back shares of netflix falling, beating on the top line, adding 10 million subscribers for the second quarter, but issuing a weaker than expected outlook for the third quarter. the company also announcing todd sarandos will become co-ceo with reid hastings. shares are down doubt digits in after hours trade. tom rogers, executive chairman and the first president of nbc cable. also the former ceo of tivo. tom, great to see you. thanks so much for joining us.
just looking at the numbers, adding over the course of the first two quarters of this year 26 million paid net additions, taking the total to 193, is it -- is it fair to assume they brought forward a lot of demand that will tail off for the second half of the year? >> well, they might. but the thing to focus on with netflix is how much superior its model is to all the other streaming services out there, how it's the only one with a global play. and globally, they're 1.1 billion pay tv cable and satellite subscribers who are disconnecting their cable and satellite as we are finding here in the united states if they're at about 200 million, they have about 900 million market to tap that is moving in the direction of stream iing, wl around the rest of the world
and netflix one is the only one with a real international footprint right now to be able to capture that. maybe they're right. maybe they're wrong that they pulled through a number of subscribers. but i wouldn't take your eye -- put your eye focussed too much on that. there is so much long-term opportunity here this company's story is totally intact. >> i totally get your point, tom, in terms of the global opportunity. what about in north america? are they starting to be a bit sch ra saturated there? what does that mean for their overall selling price? >> well, they do have about 80% of the cable and satellite subscriber base, so they're moving in the direction of greater saturation but as more and more people come on that are cord nevers, got to mention the cord cutters, there is demographic trend opportunity there, which is very substantial. moreover, what netflix has going
with the quality and quantity of its programming as your earlier guests were talking about is far more depth in terms of holding people to the screen, much greater engagement and the biggest problem for streaming services is not so much getting new members it's holding them. it's the churn factor. other services are churning much, much more. and what low churn, which netflix have and i think over time lower churn as it has that much more viewing power, it has pricing power. so here in the united states, i think you will find that it has unique pricing power, even though the rate of it subscriber growth will slow because it is penetrated so heavily. >> tom, how do you read the ted sarados being named co-ceo i'm trying to think of some examples where this has worked where you have a founder,
co-ceo it didn't really work out at sales force. what do you think of it? >> these guys clearly have a hell of a partnership that they have been able to do what they've done on the programming side you have to tip your hat to netflix. i remember in my nbc days when we used to scratch our head, why can't there be more than one or two hits a season, modest hits often at that, and the issue was always, well, there is just not enough good enough writers out there. well, netflix found a lot of good writers, and it's elevated it to where it is and he deserves that kind of recognition. and reid is so well entrenched as a visionary who has brought this forward they clearly work extremely well together and my guess is this will work very well. >> what do you think, tom, of the way the pandemic not just influenced their subscriber numbers but the way we're consuming feature length movies, not just series?
>> well, that's a really interesting point there because the movie theater industry, threatrical release window i think will be the thing in the entire media industry that gets most damaged by the pandemic my expectation is you've got a lot of movies that were ready for release, can't be released studios running to netflix and say, please, please, will you buy this from me because they really have a problem here in terms of when theaters are going to reopen nationally in a way that box office revenues will be restored so coming out of the pandemic, i expect the impact of that to be much shorter theatrical windows, meaning movies in the theaters for a shorter period of time and less exclus sieivitexclusivity. that's going to put more on streaming services and netflix,
having the biggest budgets, not to mention producing their own i think you are going to see more and more theatricals being a matter of streaming and less and less about movie theater viewing. >> tom rogers, always good to get your thoughts. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me, sara. >> netflix shares moving all around after hours now down 9%. they were down more than 11% just a few moments ago after that report. up next, the waiting game. find out how local governments are stepping in to help residents who still have not received unemployment relief payments from the federal government and as a reminder, you can always watch or listen to us ven li othe go on the cnbc app we'll be right back. save hundreds on your wireless bill
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welcome back the dow fell today snapping a four day win streak. the nasdaq underperforming as it has been all week. nasdaq down 2% or so joining us on the phone, russ. great to have you with us. want to talk about this rotation we've had in the last week or so out of tech into value and whether you think that's going to continue and whether you think that netflix being about 10% lower after hours will
sort of infect the rest of tech in a more meaningful way than we've already seen so far this week >> well, thanks for having me. in the short term, i think there is definitely the potential for more of a pull back, more of a rotation as a number of people pointed out, the differential between large cap growth and large cap value is off the charts. you will have a period where there is a little bit of catchup makes sense. but there are two things that i think will be more difficult long-term for value. you know, the most important of which is that i don't think technology is as overpriced as it looks it has definitely stretched but on a longer term basis when you look at the earnings growth, there is a reason it trades at a premium. this is a strange week to see rotation into value and cyclicals when you consider that one of the things the market is wrestling with is the
acceleration of the virus, the pullback in mobility, the reimposition of lockdowns generally valued when the economy is expected to accelerate and some of the events of the last week make that a little bit more in question so i'm a little suspicious of the timing of this move. >> in terms of what that means for your portfolio construction, on one level you are saying, you know, we should take some profits in tech. on the other level, you're saying we shouldn't necessary buy into value so you are selling equities across the board >> we're doing a couple things we are trimming our technology exposure but at the margin, we are trimming we are adding to cyclicals but i think it really makes a difference where you are adding. you are more concerned about the rotation to lower quality names, names very dependent on mobility there are parts of the cyclical space that you look at
industrials and materials. the housing market as well that we think are more robust, have an easier time coinciding with the virus than the names that have been up 30% or so over the past few weeks. >> so are you making a call on whether the economy rebounds quickly or are you saying you're less optimistic? >> well, i think our view is the economy is going to rebound. it is rebounding it is better than expected but it is not all clear. generally, if you look at the periods when value has really ripped for more than a few days at a time and the one i point to would be the back half of 2016 there was a prolonged period when economic expectations went up, rates went up and people were more constructive on the economy. to be clear, i think stocks can be higher six months from now than they are today, but it is not a straightforward path we have an election to deal with we also have this question of
whether or not we will see more lockdowns, all of which means some of the lower quality cyclical names i think this rally will probably fade. >> what happened to gold today it slipped to 4% right at the middle of the day all of a sudden. >> yeah. gold has been a really interesting case you know, we have had gold in our portfolio. we continue to have it but that's another place where we are looking to trim and the challenge with gold is, you know, people debate why do you hold it? a lot of people talk about inflation. i don't think that's quite right. you hold gold as a cage against equity risk. if you look at gold's performance, it's actually been trading more with equities than against it it doesn't mean gold won't go higher, but at the margin if you hold gold because you are worried about stocks, if gold is going to be stocks, you will probably hold a bit less, which is why we have been trimming >> what is your expectation around fiscal stimulus and what the next package looks like and where it goes and how much of it
is baked in already? >> well, i think that, you know, the simple answer is we're going to get more of it. whether that number is $800 billion or a trillion or more, i don't have a strong view i think most of that is baked in it would be very hard to imagine that politicians, whether in the white house or congress, are going to let the economy fall off this fiscal cliff, if you will, that would be happening at the end of the month i think we are going to see some, you know, extension of unemployment benefits, some of the marginal dollars that have gone into that the question is how much and also in what form? again, the consumer has managed to hold in there because transfer payments to households surged you have seen disposal income go up year after year that's never happened in a recession. the question se wet through this package, how much more will you see fall into the households will there be a deceleration our guess is you get the
stimulus probably not quite as much as maybe the market would like >> russ koesterich, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. up next, millions of americans waiting for the next round of stimulus as we just talked about from congress with programs expiring at the end of the month. but many are still waiting for unemployment benefits from the first round. that story is coming next.
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yunanimously approved a program that will issue one-time $500 checks the state's coronavirus relief fund will finance the $35 million program and we're told that recipients will not have to repay the money and it will not be deducted from future benefits and a similar proposal is also being considered in wisconsin where 140,000 people are waiting. officials say they are prioritizing the applicants who have been waiting the longest. since march 15th, they have processed 80% of all claims. you have to wonder if they's any consullation to the people who haven't received anything yet. >> is this a state issue or a federal government issue >> it's a state issue because you can't receive the additional $600 until you have been approved at the state level. so it is a state issue, and we're seeing it at different states around the country and people have reached out to me on social media saying the same thing. some people have been waiting since march. so part of these numbers are a
backlog. part of this is just people trying to get through the administrative process that comes with filing for unemployment officials say they are prioritizing people who have been waiting the longest but it speeaks to the unprecedented demand. >> thank you very much we speak to the president of arizona university about whether the school will charge full tuition if they're ford g cko remote learning.
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celebrated sint patrick's day in july by wearing kilts as they defeated the macon bacon 5-1 strange times indeed that is the news update at this hour sara, baseball in kilts, i'll send it back to you. >> at least they're playing again. thank you. sue herera coming up, when school is out, the economy is out we'll talk to the president of the university of arizona to find out how he is planning to return to classes. how important it is for the recovery and managing that return in a covid hot spotlight now. be sure to tune in tonight a virtual live town hall featuring financial experts helping americans affected by the crisis rebuild their financial future that's tonight 7:00 p.m. eastern on cnbc. sponsored by comcast business, committed to keeping you and your business connected.
educators are scrambling to figure out how to reopen schools safely this fall in an exclusive poll of likely voters in six key swing states, half of voters in arizona and texas say in person instruction is not safe for universities this also presents a pretty big issue if you are not going to campus, should you have to pay full tuition 72% of swing state voters say no come monday students at the university of arizona will know if their classes will be in person, online or a mix of both. leaving the decision up to the professors joining us now is the president of the university of arizona, former ceo of texas medical center thanks for being it was. you are leaving the decision up to the teachers. how does that work exactly >> yeah, sara. thanks for having me on your program. we will. students will be able to get on the website on monday and find the course they're going to
take, and then it's at the discretion of the professor whether it will be an in person class, whether it will be an in person flex class meaning some students would come into the class say tuesdays and thursdays and the others would be online monday, wednesday, friday and then they would flip-flop that then the third option would be a live online version. and the fourth would be -- so that would be sinry nous then the fourth would be icourses >> i guess i'm just -- so the students would have to pay full tuition, correct and also room and board and come to the dorms but might not be able to actually attend classes. why would they want to do that >> well, that's a good question, sara there are plenty that want to. we've got -- we converted our 9,000 bed capacity of on campus housing down to about 6,600.
and we have full subscription and people have paid their -- they paid their deposits and we are anticipating that they're going to show up to live in our dorms. they have even said that even if we take our classes online they want to live in our dorms and be in tucson. i think that it's a combination of wanting to get back to have the opportunity to be on the campus and continue their education. so we're going with full tuition for those who choose to come to university in the fall. >> so it is a little confusing, i have to say. so people could come back, live in the dorms but still be doing a class online, potentially not even live online. >> correct but i think there is going to be a lot of flexibility, and i think there will be a mixture of
both in person and online classes. but, again, the flex would be sort of rotating for face to face and then the online would be they would be -- >> i guess the other thing, sorry, doctor, is that if things are safe enough to allow people to come back to dorms and you are charging full rates, surely those students deserve full proper tuition or it's not safe enough in which case they shouldn't be coming back to the dorms. >> yeah. well, we're watching it closely. obviously we're in a hot spot. we think that with people following the rules properly physically distancing and covering their face and washing their hands, we can flatten the curve and make it acceptable for students to come back. they have told us they want to come back, so we're going to take a very aggressive testing,
tracing and isolation protocol and offer these various options to students who choose to come and continuing their education at university of arizona >> how does the testing work how often and how will you ensure that you get enough tests and that those tests can come back quickly enough to actually keep people safe and quarantined until they do? >> i think most of the audience knows we have pioneered an antibody test. that is something we have offered all our students, faculty and staff. the current protocol would have -- and i changed on this because of the hot spot being in arizona, we're hoping the curve is going to be flattened out but we're now going to require all the students before they check in to class -- into their dorms, they must be tested so we're going to use an antigen test that will turn around
quickly. if they're positive, they won't be allowed to go in the dorms. we made provisions for isolation dorms. they would still be able to take their classes in an online version. but we'll use a protocol to test before they go into the dorms. and then we'll use waste water based epidemiology we have an algarhythm for surveillance tersing throughout the year anybody who has symptoms will be tested with a standard pcr test. >> wanted to ask about three things that everybody thinks of with college, which pretty high contact or at least would seem risky. sororities, fraternities and sports, how are you dealing with all that >> yeah. well, the sports we're dealing with through the pac-12. since we're a proud member of the pac-12, and we're grinding on this every day and discussing how we're doing it we've got some of our football team back here, and they are undergoing extensive testing right now.
the fraternities actually are not in our campus-owned housing, but we're reaching out to them and engaging them, and we have had great discussions with them about the need to follow the rules. i think that's the most important that students realize that if their watch your hands frequently, they cover their face and they use physical distancing, we could get this down to a manageable level we've just got to have our students buy into following the rules. so far our fraternities and v sororities have cooperated greatly. we can't guarantee that there won't be any cases obviously there will be cases. we just want to be able to mitigate, identify those cases, trace their contacts and isolate them >> thanks so much for joining u
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let's take a look at how we finished up the day. the dow did break a four-day win streak, closed down .5%. that was off of sessions lows down almost 300 at one point s&p 500 finished by one-third of 1% technology did not finish higher in the s&p groups like materials, industrials and safety plays like utilities all ended in the green. >> the big banks earnings are in the books but we get a key look at another part of the financial sector tomorrow. we have a preview of black rock. >> never you fear, we'll see earnings from traditional asset managers starting with the biggest one, black rock, storm morning. a
blackrock declined by a trillion dollars in the first three months of the year thanks to covid-related selloffs and weaker flows with a much improved market environment, analysts are expecting blackrock to grow, jumping 9% from last year. >> i think one key question for mr. fink in this market is the tech underperformance, more of a lasting trend. it always came back to the big fang names the resilient players, whether we were talking about a stay-at-home economy with some of the reopening happenilting as the country as a result of the virus or even the reopening story where these were growth plays. the underperformance, whether
that opens up the opportunity for more value plays in industrials and materials could be a key question. >> absolutely. i through you're bang on with the netflix point, down 10% now. it was up 63% year to date very much focusing on the guide for q-3 as to why that's down. yes, we're seeing that rotation, yes, we're seeing netflix down 10% which is a warning sign overnight. but netflix does often act on its own as opposed to infecting the rest of fang if this was an apple or microsoft move, you'd be much more concerned about the broader indices tomorrow. >> for sure. netflix also has some wild swings and big down days on earnings, then it's back up to climbing and reaching record
highs. the question is, has the thesis really changed it will be interesting to hear what they say on the call after what has been a tremendous first half. >> you know what would drive the stock on the call, if they announced the new season of "the tiger queen with carol baskin. we're out of time. "fast money" starts now. "fast money" starts right now. i'm melissa lee with guy adami, tim seymour, karen finerman and steve grasso a new wrench in the trade relationship between the u.s. and china. later, the high profile attack on twitter now the subject of a probe. plus dr. fauci sitting down with a live interview with mark zuckerberg as we speak we'll bring you headlines from the event as we have them. and a fast pitch from karen. why she says this k