even feel like makeup. and it only took me two minutes. >> your final check on the markets. that's about half on the dow. it was about 250. a lot of the pressure is coming from boeing which was down about $17. boeing is not down as much anymore as people have said. you know hold on. we don't know anything yet in terms of what happened in the air india crash and immediately begin talking about ge engines or boeing, or because it's just too early at this point. so good friendly inflation numbers for whatever reason, not down quite as much. make sure you join us tomorrow. squawk on the streets. coming up right now. >> good thursday morning. welcome to squawk on the street. i'm carl quintanilla with david faber and sara eisen at post nine of the new york stock exchange. cramer has the morning

off premarket does indicate a lower open after three days of gains. got another soft inflation print jobless claims grind a little higher. some geopolitics at work as well regarding the middle east and iran. dollar new 52 week low and the euro soars. let's begin though, with the tragic news from overseas. an air india plane bound for london has crashed into a residential neighborhood shortly after takeoff from an airport in the western indian city of ahmedabad. aircraft was a boeing 787 dreamliner, the spokesperson for the airline tells nbc news. the jet was carrying 242 people, including 12 crew members. shares of boeing down sharply on the news of the crash, although, as joe said, guys, at this stage of any kind of aviation disaster, you really are blind to details and news. although there are a fair amount of pictures and video of the crash, where obviously there were some residents of the neighborhood who were likely killed. >> yeah, the crash site would seem to indicate that. and watching firefighters, for example, being putting out fires in residential building. yeah,

we don't listen. you don't you don't know. but it is reminiscent of other tragedies. and, you know, boeing really only at the end of dealing with many of those that occurred. so we'll just have to wait and see. there's no no real answers at all at this point. only questions. >> right. and so this is the worst accident for this type of plane. right? this is the most advanced widebody airliner. and yeah, it's reminiscent of 2018, 2019, which was when the boeing fatal crashes where it was more on their shoulders and they're still sort of dealing with the damage and the fallout. i guess the question, which we don't know, and we've repeatedly said that is, is this an isolated incident or was there some bigger problem with the aircraft or with the engine which is made by ge, which whose shares are also a little bit lower in the premarket. >> or is it pilot error, which is always. >> a possibility you don't know and no reports? i don't think of survivors as yet, but we'll obviously monitor that and are thinking of them. >> there have been some reports of a mayday call upon takeoff. our phil lebeau has been able to

confirm that for now, street hasn't really had much of a reaction in terms of research, although morgan stanley this morning does write, in our view, this event derails the positive momentum on boeing's stock, and we expect the news to be negatively received at this time. they remain equal weight with a price target of 200. let's get to phil lebeau with more on what we know at this early stage. morning, phil. >> hi, carl. you know, as you guys mentioned, there are more questions than answers. the weather was clear by all indications based on the video that we've seen. so it really does come down to a couple of things. was it a mechanical issue with the plane? was it a mechanical or software issue with the plane and or the engines? was it pilot error? those are all things that investigators will be focused on, the dreamliner as well as the engines that powered this aircraft. they both have stellar track records. yes, there were problems with the dreamliner early on when it was first being developed, and it was first entering into service after

that. it's had a very good track record. there have been occasional incidents where people have seen problems when it's lost altitude, and it has brought questions up about the reliability of the manufacturing. but none of that has ever been borne out with proof that there's a problem with the dreamliner. as for the engines, which are made by ge aerospace, they have a great track record. the ge dash one engine has been it was essentially designed for the dreamliner. it has a strong track record. so with that in mind, investigators will get the cockpit data recorder, the voice recorder. those will give the biggest pieces of information that will immediately be able to say to investigators, okay, we think this is one of the primary causes for the accident. in the meantime, for investors, you know that when there is an accident, shares of the aircraft maker or the engine maker, they

always sell off. adding to that this time is the fact that both ge and boeing have seen their share is really increase over the last year, and there's already been talk about perhaps a bit of a pullback is due for those stocks. so that may be contributing to a bit of the sell off today. again guys we should get more answers in the weeks to come. i don't expect them to get the cockpit data recorder and voice recorder within the next 24 hours. and even if they do, it's going to take some time to analyze it. it's going to be some time before we get some indication of what happened with this plane crashing shortly after takeoff. >> phil, the one the early last year incident, they had thankfully no fatalities where that door flew open. that was that was a different model. that was 737 max. >> correct. it was it was a it was a 737 max dash nine. and that was a completely separate incident. that was an alaska

airlines aircraft where the door plug came off in flight. >> yeah. >> because it had not been properly attached. so that was a but but but sarah you bring up a good point. all of this raises these questions that are going to swirl around boeing for some time to come, even as kelly ortberg and his team have made strides, have improved manufacturing processes. and that's been the commentary from airline executives, faa people who are in there working with boeing. all of them have said that boeing has made strides and is improving. but you know how this goes. after the string of incidents we've had over the last several years, it's going to take more than several good months for investors and the general public to say, okay, that was a one off. i'm confident in boeing. >> meantime, phil, i mean, we watched the continued battle between boeing and airbus. i'm

sure airbus didn't plan this, but they did roll out some revised 20 year demand forecast today. >> yeah. and what you're seeing is what everybody expects. you were going to see continued growth not only for airbus, but also for boeing and for all of the suppliers within commercial aviation. there is no slowdown in demand. guys, we're over here in france getting ready for the paris air show, which starts on sunday. and that's when we are expecting to hear from a number of chief executives, including kelly ortberg from boeing, as well as larry culp from ge aerospace. interesting to see whether or not they will come here. oftentimes after a tragedy, ceos don't want to be going to an event and saying, hey, we got a lot of orders. it's just it's poor form. it doesn't look good. so we'll see if they will be here or not. we've talked with them several times in the past, and we expect that at some point we will have a chance to have a conversation. >> heartbreaking beyond words is how the indian prime minister

narendra modi described it today. phil, thank you. we'll look to you for any updates as we watch boeing shares lower at the open. another day of key inflation data got producer price inflation numbers. the index and the core rate for may both coming in up one tenth of a percent from last month. and that is cooler again than expected after april's declines. guys, it's more evidence that we're just not seeing the kind of inflationary spark that many were expecting on the implementation of tariffs doesn't mean we're not going to see it. what it does mean is you put this with cpi and then the estimates are going to start to come out for pce, which is the fed's preferred measure for may. and they look pretty tame going into at least this inflationary environment that we have now. we're seeing lower inflation prices and that. and that's a good thing. and it may mean, karl, that we're able to absorb any kind of price increases that we will see even better. >> yeah. we did we did hear from

fitch yesterday with a negative outlook for a lot of north american corporates. their argument is that if the consumer can absorb the tariffs that companies are going to have to pay for it, at least in a way of cutting costs or capex. jp morgan yesterday did say we still think it may be too early to see signs of a sizable pass through of tariffs to the consumer. although goldman talked to us yesterday and said this would have been a reasonable month to expect some of that to show up. >> i mean, a lot of the tariffs have already been in place, and so far we're just not seeing i mean, you see it in specific places. it's not like it's nowhere. banana prices we're up strongly month over month. we saw that in the numbers. coffee roasted coffee prices were up some of the toys and electronics. but it's not feeding into the overall numbers in any way that would cause the fed to either think about hiking rates or think about maybe being closer to cutting rates. >> there's a 25% chance of a july cut today, as we're starting to more fully price in a september cut oil, though the reversal $68 a barrel yesterday

on news of these evacuations, voluntary evacuations in the middle east, potential reports of whether or not israel is prepared, some kind. certainly the rhetoric coming out of iran has been has been pretty hawkish. >> it's been hawkish. and same with i mean, what president trump has said this week is that he's losing confidence, although they're going into their sixth round of talks there. so oil prices actually giving back some of the overnight gains that we that we saw. i think the message on the on the economy guys is that so far, despite a lot of the doom and the gloom and the hand-wringing, this economy has absorbed the tariffs, at least in the early going. very well. you see, first of all, jobless claims today also came out. they matched what they were last week, 248,000. they're little elevated. so we're watching it. but they're not speaking of any broad signs of layoffs. inflation, as i said, has not been any kind of major spike. as some predicted, the market is up more than 20% from those post liberation day lows. add it all together, and the economy is

taking it much better than i think any economist would have expected. >> yeah, i mean, gdp has fallen from the threes to probably a 1 to 1. >> distorted though by imports and exports. >> right now layoffs are up 80%. a four week average of jobless claims is at a two year high, almost. >> a two year high. and that's something we're watching it more unemployed, harder to find jobs. but that's been going on for the for the better part of the last few years. >> it's been gradual for sure. yeah. when we come back, several companies have seen their stock surge after going public this year. chime is the latest hoping to join that list with its own debut. david talked to ceo chris britt. we'll get that next first on cnbc. meantime take a look at the premarket boeing is going to impact the dow. but for now looking at a modest lower open when the bell rings in just when the bell rings in just about 20 minutes. he sure knows these parts well. folks say the plains whisper to him. (♪♪) [gps voice] outlaws in 500 feet, rerouting. making a left!

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that, of course, before it begins trading, i did have the chance to sit down with the company's ceo, chris britt, last night. we talked, of course, about its customer base. it targets americans that are earning $100,000 a year and less, and does so because they are not seen as being particularly interesting for the bigger banks in terms of at least the fees that are charged for various accounts where they may not have a lot of balances. britt talked about how he continues to target those members versus the competition today. >> chime only trails jp morgan and bank of america, so we've really broken out in terms of being a company that consumers think of as a primary direct deposit relationship, and we help our members avoid fees, get access to short term liquidity, build their credit and build their savings. and it's that combination of services that really resonates and matters most to the everyday consumer. >> right. and that direct deposit relationship is obviously very important for you. yes, very large percentage

of your customers. >> we have two thirds of our customer base uses us as their direct deposit account and primary account relationship, and that unlocks a whole host of opportunities. you know, our average customer is doing over 55 transactions a month with our card. and if you look at the level of engagement that people have with our app and the card, it's somewhere around 4 or 5 times a day that people are interacting with. chime. so people think of chime as really their primary, you know, financial dashboard for all elements of their life. and it's really working well. you know, people i mentioned, you know, to you in a prior meeting, you know, consumers don't like chime. they love it. they tell their friends about it. and that's actually our number one driver of growth. >> 8.6 million people. but what's the tam here. what do you what is the actual addressable market for what you're trying to do? >> well, in the medium term we think the opportunity is there's about almost 200 million americans that make up to $100,000 a year. we're at 8.6

million monthly actives, two thirds on direct deposit and using us as a primary account. so we're less than 5% penetrated and a really long way to go in penetrating the everyday consumer that the big banks don't do a great job serving. >> right? right. you've been on your way to profitability. and obviously this year, i think your first quarter, you had over a half a half a billion in revenue. so your run rate has got to be over 2 billion for this. >> that's right. we grew we grew over 30% in q1. we reached ebitda profitability of about $25 million in in q1. and we've we've seen a very healthy trajectory on that. on that front, both the combination of top line revenue growth but also showing real operating leverage in the business. >> yeah. well all right. what would the so i'm an investor here. what's the what's the signal for me in terms of operating leverage and why that's going to continue. and or the benefit i would assume from scale as, as you get more customers. >> yeah, i mean, on an adjusted ebitda basis, we've improved by 40 points just in the last two years. so that trajectory is actually moving up pretty

rapidly. and at the same time, we continue to open up many new active members. quarter after quarter. we had an outstanding q1. we grew our active member base by 23% year over year. so we're seeing growth in active members. we're seeing growth in revenue, and we're seeing growth on the on the earnings side. >> you spend a lot of lot of money on marketing to do that. i think it's what, 35% of revenue is. what i read in your s-1, you spent 1.4 billion between 22 and 24. do you continue at that pace? well. >> we are very comfortable investing in high roi marketing. and for us, you know, the ltv to customer acquisition cost is something like 8 to 1. when you develop these deep primary account relationships, they pay off many, many years down the line. you know, an average customer that's on direct deposit. as you know, industry stats show that that those consumers stay active with with a platform for very long periods of time. so we like how we monetize over a long, a long

period. and importantly, the way that we monetize our relationships is very different than a traditional bank where 72% of our revenue comes comes from payments driven revenue. when our cards get used for their everyday transactions. and we really like that because it's aligned with our member, and we aren't profiting from misfortune in the form of overdraft fees and monthly fees and all these sorts of. >> things and all the things that people who obviously are earning 100,000 or less. that's a it's a big hit. >> yeah. >> for sure. a lot to them. that said, i think churn in year one as i was able to understand it is about 50%, then it goes down dramatically, but you're losing half of those people. you're spending a lot of money to get to, you know, what do you do to improve that? and should that be concerning to some investors? >> look, we it is very easy to sign up for a chime account. you can do it in 90s. so that's kind of our front door. we don't have branch infrastructure and so forth. so we definitely get a lot of trial. and yeah, the key for us is converting people to

get direct deposit to a chime account. and once you do that year two and beyond, our retention rates are in excess of 90%. so that's why these cohorts last for many, many years. and sometimes for people, you know, it takes a change in life, a change in their career, a job change to be the point in time when they actually make the switch and use us as a primary bank account. so, you know, we love getting people to sign up for direct deposit right out of the gate. but oftentimes it happens a little bit later. yeah. and i think there is an opportunity for us to do an even better job of giving people access to chime services when they're ready to maybe date before they get married. >> all right. as our viewers probably know, performance of ipos lately has been quite strong. whether it's core, we've or circle. yesterday, voyager shares up sharply etoro. we'll see whether chime comes along with that, which is certainly been a very attractive window that has suddenly opened for those who are looking to come public. this company, by the

way, was formed in 2012. it's been around for some time. it had a $25 billion private market valuation back at sort of a peak in 2021. and obviously today at least coming public at a valuation of roughly half that. nonetheless, they are more or less profitable at this point. and so, you know, it's not as though they need the money as much as they want the visibility and the marketing that goes along with being a public company. >> we talked to ben lehrer. was it this week about how the longer sort of trend of being able to stay private, get financing as a private company makes you more mature by the time you come to the street. >> and this is yeah, this is more mature, although in the midst of the midst of its significant growth period and a growth phase, they hope, you know, unless the big banks should wake up and say, wait a second, we do see this as a potential profitable opportunity. that said, that's not the case. jamie continues to talk about the fact that, you know, it's not profitable to keep somebody with a very small balance as a customer, essentially, given what it costs them, because they have, of

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you can take it or you can leave it. you don't have to use it. you don't have to shop in the united states, as i say. so at a certain point, we'll do that. we're not quite ready. we're dealing with quite a few countries and they all want to make a deal with us, every one of them. >> that was the president last night, following our going into that performance of les miz at the kennedy center, talking about the possibility of extending some of these tariffs, besson sort of reiterated that as well in front of the house ways and means that that notion of 90 deals and 90 days is pretty much over now. >> no. besson. besson was a little bit more reassuring and soothing because he said, we could look at a situation where we postpone the more lenient terms, the 10%, instead of going back to the reciprocal tariffs past july 9th. if people are negotiating in good faith, which has really always been sort of the standard for them, and also comes after our interview yesterday with commerce secretary howard lutnick, which was all just peachy after us and china. i mean, he felt really good about the negotiations that

they had in terms of the geneva truce, which it appears to be china granting licenses for these magnets. to the united states. he feels good that the us got that back on track. >> let's get the opening bell here on cnbc realtime exchange at the big board this morning. it is integrity specialty insurance celebrating an ipo at the nasdaq with that other ipo. chime. the consumer financial technology company. i will try to manage what looks to be a lower open. which goes back to 1622 mark. it actually didn't trade that well off of howard's comments. and there's a lot of discussion today about those rare earth licenses, which are about six months, and it's will be back here talking about this again in six months. >> also, i mean, if you notice and follow the commentary from from howard, from the secretary

in our interview and from secretary besson, it wasn't about tariffs, it was about export controls, both on the chinese side with these rare earths and on the us side with chips. remember, the secretary told us that china kept asking for more lenience on the chip export controls, and he said, we're not going to give them when it comes to compromising defense, but may give them on other products like airplanes, for instance. just listen to what commerce secretary ludwig told us. >> they are going to approve all applications for magnets from united states companies right away. think of that language right away in, you know, very much like the same day. and then as they do that, we'll take off our measures. and we're in a great place with china. >> that's some of the optimism and enthusiasm i talked about. it happened in a gold room, as secretary lutnick told us, which is perfect and fitting for president trump. but no, seriously, maybe the market was disappointed that tariffs stay

where they are 55%. there's no more that's you know, for u.s. importers like retail they're going to feel that. and they're going to feel that margin. >> the journal reporting. >> the journal. >> reported yeah six month. so if things go badly in six months it can come back. the journal also the editorial page. not happy with the with the strategy saying trump has no china trade strategy. kind of interesting. >> they've never liked the china trade strategy and they've never liked the tariff strategy. so that's that's pretty consistent. yeah i would say yeah. with what? look, if china's opening its market more to us for things that we need, like these rare earths and manufacturing production and defense that ultimately is i. >> think it's about getting back to where we were before april. right. it's opening. >> up its market more to us. >> granting more licenses. >> oh yeah. but not opening up its market. >> well, that's ultimately the goal i would think. or rebalancing, resetting the trade relationship. >> that is the goal. but to karl's point, it's not clear

that we're anywhere different than we were prior to the beginning of hostilities, so to speak. >> yeah, well, at least we're talking. and the market, you know, there's something there, at least. at least they can talk. i think what the president would argue is that he's finally issuing the ultimatum to them and putting the pressure on them through tariffs that both democrats and republicans for years have been trying to do when it comes to opening up markets, their market and rebalancing their economy where they buy more from us, we don't just buy everything from them, whether that can be effective. who knows? but that's what's going on. >> they have not succeeded, nor do they seem particularly interested in making their economy a consumer led economy. we've talked a lot about that, and. >> their exports to the rest of the world are almost making up for their entire losses of exports to us. meanwhile, lagarde is in beijing meeting with the premier. so we'll see to what degree they'll try to bolster european ties with the notion that, i don't know, europe's a more reliable trade partner than us. >> europe's going to have security issues with that down the road. look i'm very excited

to talk to janet yellen. she's coming on with us. and money movers remember i went with her to china. she started really this conversation about how china needs to rebalance. and when she went over there you know told it to them. but again, to your point, david, there's no indication they're actually going to do that. we'll see if the pressure from the tariffs and the trump posture is any different. >> they've taken a number of steps to conceivably try to augment consumer purchasing power. but you know, they've also got a very different society. they don't have as much of a social safety net. for example, people do say the savings rate is just so much higher than here, but in part because of the lack of that social safety net and things of that nature. later on in life. so yeah, it's a it's an old lament, but and it's not as though there aren't plenty of issues with the chinese economy, as you well know, sarah, there are. >> right. i mean, going back to property. >> sector pressure that they may be under. >> yeah, yeah. demographics. i just want to point out the us dollar today because people are talking about it. we have now reached the low point for the year. in fact, it's at a two and

a half year low. and some people are wondering, okay, you know, dollar weakness is usually very good for stocks. i think it's part of the reason that the equity market has been so strong because exporters, multinational companies in the us that do a lot of business abroad, you know, it's helpful for earnings. but is this is this a bigger problem, a more pronounced period of dollar weakness where we really have to worry and think about some of the warnings of the ray dalio and the jamie dimon and you know, of the world about our fiscal problems. i'll just say one thing on that point, which is we had a ten year auction yesterday. that was really good takedown of that strong demand really post liberation day when we started worrying about demand for dollar assets and for us debt, and then the big beautiful bill so far, you know, the market has absorbed it. well, we get a 30 year auction later today. that's going to be a biggie i think $22 billion. it will be the first time the long bond will be up for sale. so that will be a good test and barometer i think of demand but overall it has been strong. you can't look at some of these auctions and say

there's some sort of buyer strike or there's a protest by foreign buyers. that's just it's just not what's happening. so we'll continue to watch it. what's also playing in david to the dollar weakness today is, you know a more dovish outlook from the fed. we continue getting these benign inflation reports. and that gives the fed more room to cut rates. it puts pressure on yields. and the dollar sells off especially against say the japanese yen on that. >> let's talk a little bit about stocks this morning i want to start off with oracle. perhaps the most important company certainly reported earnings. that was after the bell. oracle shares are up and up rather sharply up. and you would imagine given the tone of the call as well, that it would be having a positive impact sort of more broadly because they spoke very positively about continued demand for all of their services, particularly around the data center. and i, ceo safra catz, talking about what might be a higher than anticipated capex number from the company. vast majority of our capex investments are for revenue generating equipments

going into data centers, not for land or buildings. and she went on to say she expects fiscal year 2026 capex will be higher at over 25 billion, as they work to meet demand from their backlog. and on that backlog. take a listen as well to what she had to say in terms of them even saying, well, hold on, customers, let's take it. it's kind of not slow, but we got to wave you off for a minute. take a listen. >> we actually currently are still waving off customers from or scheduling them out into the future so that we have enough supply to meet demand. this is a situation that we have not seen in our history, and the numbers themselves are so enormous. and the reason is because our technology is different.

>> fiscal year 26, they're talking about total cloud revenue growing as much as over 40% in constant currency. that's up from a 24% growth rate the year prior. and so cloud infrastructure as well, up 70%. that's where the focus is. that's why the stock is higher this morning guys. it's you know a very strong report larry ellison also on the call. worth a read. by the way if you care at all about data infrastructure and what's going on there, obviously they are one of the partners in stargate, the enormous facility being built in abilene, texas, to power open ai, which, by the way, on its own, also continues to set new records in terms of users. >> they said on the call, actually, that the stargate project is still in the early stages, so it doesn't seem like that is really picked up, but that ultimately, if stargate turns out to be everything as advertised, according to ellison, that could be upside to their growth. that's not even factored in at this point. i mean, he's i don't know if he's prone to hyperbole or he was just super bullish, you know, on the on the call, we recently got

an order that will take all the capacity you has, have whatever it is. >> you mentioned the capex guidance i did. yeah, 25 street was looking. >> for 25 billion. >> cash flow has really been the only complaint this morning because the. >> cash flow was was negative. yeah. operating cash flow obviously got but free cash flow because they're spending so much on that. >> yeah. meanwhile melius with an amazing chart of the number of gigawatts we will need by 2030. we're in the mid 40s now. we think we're maybe going to 150. and he uses what he calls jensen math ben reitzes to talk about the incremental revenue opportunity, not just for nvidia but for everybody. you're talking some 5 trillion. if you take those numbers at face value. >> it's amazing. and of course, we do talk about power being the potential, the gating issue really, in terms of the build out of all the data centers that are going to have all the nvidia chips and everything else in there, including obviously everything oracle and cisco, i mean, everybody broadcom selling into the data center. and that being the gating issue. that said i also hear starting to hear, you know people talking

about well the cooling technology is going to continue to improve. we're going to continue to get efficiencies. and that these estimates in terms of how much power is going to be needed, maybe as time goes on, they will start to come down. >> we'll see. now there is. did you see the d 50 company gekko robotics this morning? >> i did not know. >> part of their robotics play is helping existing grid capacity, which is going to fall off efficient use in a few years. keeping that for longer, you could add an extra ten gigs right there. if those if those. >> maintaining what's available now and having it have a longer life. yeah. interesting. >> also look at stocks like oklo, which you know they got a new contract. i mean this is for nuclear power but looking for power sources wherever they can. also you know jensen long made some made some headlines yesterday. he spoke at a keynote in paris and he spoke with analysts as well, talking really bullishly about sovereign ai. we'll get a report from the from the ground there. our reporter spoke to him. but just on this idea of partnering with

everywhere he goes in the world, i mean, he was in europe and he was talking about new partnerships with novo nordisk, for instance, on drug discovery, on siemens, on ai manufacturing. it was it was sort of similar to when i saw him in saudi arabia, and he was making big partnerships there. there's just the sovereign ai theme and what that represents in terms of new demand in this whole ai cycle, really strong. >> yeah. close down a bit because of this. reports of a share offer $400 million. >> after a huge day yesterday. >> yes. gm david down on this new convert to ostensibly buy more bitcoin. a little trend here. mini trend of companies either offering shares or converts and weighing. their share prices. >> everybody wanting to become like microstrategy to a certain extent in terms of at least their ownership of bitcoin. we had a spac that that that is also pursuing that strategy as well. i think it was the one associated with cantor. fitz. yeah, that's a big loss. but that's the strategy. now, obviously under their ceo ryan

cohen runs that company. >> yeah i'm watching starbucks also guys big mover yesterday. so starbucks held its leadership experience in las vegas where they had, you know thousands. it was kind of a rally cry. howard howard schultz was there. the founder of starbucks on stage with brian niccol, who's the ceo. he said he was doing cartwheels when he heard nickels back to starbucks campaign. so a lot of rah rah momentum. also, nicola, i thought it was interesting, told the financial times that there's a lot of demand for partnering with their china business. that's a big question of what they're going to do, which has slowed down in recent years as they faced tougher competition from local players on starbucks. you know the stock, it's done very well lately but kind of got off to a bumpy start earlier in the year and is trading back near levels. remember when it shot up 25% after brian niccol was announced to become the new ceo? we're kind of back there. i think it remains a show me story on on the turnaround. he's having baristas write friendly messages on your cups. they're they're

planning to hire a lot more people. he did talk about that. that could raise questions on spending for wall street and on margins. but, you know, it's unclear exactly what the strategy is for reviving starbucks. but that's, you know, something. investors have been optimistic just in the latest last few months. >> i think we're back in green from the day nicole started. >> exactly. yeah. we're back to back to that point, but still have to see more evidence and more proof. and they want to make it more of an experience to go out to starbucks. they want to make it, you know, feel more like the original cafe that howard first. did. you know when he first started it from a local coffee shop? there's been a ton of competition and it hasn't been as pleasant as an experience, and it feels like there's a lot of acknowledgment of that at a management. let's see how they fix it. >> yeah. in the consumer realm, there's some weakness in airlines this morning, and you might not be surprised given that boeing is the worst performing s&p here. but united's right behind. delta's in there as well. yesterday the cfo of american express spoke at

the morgan stanley financials conference. and he did say that airline spending in q2 is relatively unchanged from q1. kind of soft given that you would expect seasonality to start to kick in. he did point out that european travel to the us and canadian travel to the u.s. is weak, so that might be getting folded into obviously, the safety concerns today. >> the biggest question mark is what's happening with the consumer. always a question. but look, we know some of the travel lines have slowed down. we've heard that those warnings from from airlines hotels a little bit as well too. but they still maintain pretty bullish outlooks. you know the consumer is hanging in there. when i looked at the bank of america they do a retail survey. they ask a thousand consumers. they did one for june. so it's really quite near-term. they do it as a sort of preview to what we can expect on retail sales. i mean, they ask about plans on big ticket items. this is very soft data, right? it's survey data. but over the next 12 months, big ticket year over year declines continue. all four big spending

expectations that they track decline, they say, but nothing really substantially. plans to buy new appliances drop the most from 35% last year to 31% this month, so nothing really crazy. but, you know, people are feeling a little bit more nervous. we see that caution. we hear about it from companies. we're not talking about recessionary kind of declines in spending, but it is something we'll watch because ultimately that's going to be the telltale sign of how this economy holds up despite the tariffs. >> i mean, we do know that seriously defaulted delinquencies on credit cards are at a multiyear high. and if you couple that with what's happening with the four week average of jobless claims, then you could start to paint a picture of a nervous consumer. >> although retail stocks have actually acted better lately, they've perked up. there's been this little trend, you know, as the market has expanded, we've gone to, you know, past 6000. we've increased 20%. there's been an expansion of the rally, and some of the losers have been picked up in recent sessions, and that would include some of the retailers, because they were under a lot of pressure around

tariffs, around concerns about the consumer. some of them are in turnaround plans. so acting a little better though today we're off, you know a 10th of a percent on the s&p. >> one stock that has been performing extremely well for quite some time is netflix. stock up again a little less than 1% but almost 38% for the year. we've talked a lot about it. but on the subject of tariffs, if you recall, i think it was the very beginning of may when the president threw a post on on social media on truth social introduced the idea of 100% tariffs. it's very much unclear exactly what it really would in terms of hollywood, but there weren't any details. we haven't really gotten any follow up whatsoever, but the companies i think we may have, the companies co-ceo was asked about sort of production, where they're doing it, and whether there would be significant impact, perhaps from tariffs down the road in some fashion or other. >> we have got good infrastructure in many places. we've got a lot of great talent. and, you know, states are highly

competitive on a state by state basis with production incentives that allow us to bring more work to places like new jersey, where we're building a whole new production facility at, or new mexico, where we've built a new production facility. and so i think that's probably the model to think about. how do you renew your production in various different places. >> so you're not too worried about 100% tariffs then? >> well, i'd say, you know, we try and focus on the things that we can control. and i, you know, if we have a specific proposal to respond to, we will. but nothing really materialized yet. >> yeah. there were there was no details around that, no real follow up on that. and i don't know that that's front of mind any longer for a lot. >> of maybe mel gibson's holding them off. >> yeah. it's even unclear if it applied only to movies. it was all production. it was it, you know, again, it was very hard to understand exactly. and we didn't get a follow up. >> so no follow up. although peter has talked actually the nicest about the uk, where they've spent 1 billion pounds a year since 2020 on production. >> enormous production facilities in the uk, that has

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the past few days. he was in london. now he's in paris. and there's been a slew of deals announced around nvidia and infrastructure deals here in europe. but i had a chance to catch up, catch up with jensen huang. and i wanted to know a bit more about this china equation right now. of course, there's chip restrictions on the h20. continue. they took a $4.5 billion write down in their last quarter on that unused inventory, and huang has been very critical of some of these u.s. restrictions as well. but for jensen huang, it's not just about business. this is about america's standing in the global ai race. that was his message. let's just listen in. >> united states is not alone. if china when china and starts to aggressively diffuse their ai technology, so long as all the ai developers are in china, you know, i think china is going to win. and so we just have to be mindful of near term near-term actions on long term unintended consequences. and it's our job. it's my job to inform the

administration on the nature of our technology and the dynamics of our industry. and then after that is, you know, to support, support our, our, our president. >> i just want to unpack that a little bit, because what he's saying there is if us firms are cut out of markets, it reduces the chance of us technology to spread worldwide. at the same time, china's ai technology is getting a lot better. and there's a world in which countries, perhaps in emerging markets, in africa, in latin america, even in places in asia as well, may start to build their ai infrastructure on the chinese tech stack, all the way from telecommunications through to data centers, chips and the software as well. and ultimately, that will be bad for us companies and us standing in the ai race. that's his view. and that's what that's what his big concern was. and just very quickly, on huawei in particular, because i asked him about this on another part of the conversation. of course, they're trying to create rival chips to nvidia over in china. there were comments earlier this week from the founder of huawei,

who tried to downplay the chinese company's progress when it comes to ai chips. but actually, jensen huang told me that he thinks huawei is only a generation behind nvidia at this point. but if nvidia can't participate in the chinese market, then huawei has china covered. that's what he said. and that was his big concern when it comes to ai chips in china, guys. >> yeah, arjun, he's been pretty consistent as he makes as his world tour continues. appreciate you bringing that to us. arjun kharpal in paris today when we come back, the latest on the air india boeing 787787 dreamliner crash. stay with us. >> at corriente. wealth management begins and ends with you. we believe the more personal the solution, the more powerful the result. we treat your goals as our own. we never lose focus on the life you want to build, and our experienced advisors design custom built

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toward the flat line a number of sectors positive now utilities real estate information technology. thank you oracle on that one. materials and health care still have stocks up about 4/10 for the week on the nasdaq. about 3/10 for the s&p 500 a mix of geopolitical headlines today. another benign inflation report trying to figure out what comes next on the trade front. treasuries are rallying big time. you're seeing lower yields across the board. we do have a big 30 year auction later today. but again more better news on inflation maybe means the fed can cut more. that's leading to a bond rally 30 year yield now 4.87% today. secretary benson back on the hill. the treasury secretary testifying this hour before the senate finance committee. we'll bring you the highlights as we get them. plus, much more from david faber's conversation with the ceo of chime as the fintech company gets ready for its public debut later today at the nasdaq. >> first, though, to the breaking story of the morning, an air india flight carrying more than 200 passengers crashing in the western city of

ahmedabad. shares of boeing were down sharply after it was reported the plane was a boeing 787 dreamliner. our phil lebeau is back with what we know so far this morning. hi again phil. >> hey, carl. more questions than answers regarding this crash. the video that was fed in minutes after this crash shows that this plane went down in a fairly populated area not far from the airport in northwest india. and as you look at the video here, you're saying to yourself, well, how much do they do? they know about what happened? well, it only got to 621, 625ft in the air before it plunged out of the sky. there were 242 people on board. it crashed shortly after takeoff. now the focus is going to be okay. did anybody survive? and if there's no survivors, the recovery of victims, that's the focus right now and will be likely for the next 24 hours or so. the ntsb and the faa are likely to help with the investigation. here's how it

goes. when there is a crash in a country. that country leads the investigation. but almost always they will ask the faa or the ntsb to assist with the investigation. ntsb would be the lead investigator there. the faa would provide technical expertise in terms of the dreamliner, despite the problems when it was initially launched. and we covered those extensively back in that 2006 to 2011 time period. despite those problems, since then, the dreamliner has had a pretty good track record. in fact, if this is the first crash involving a dreamliner, boeing is in the process of increasing its production of the dreamliner from four per month up to five per month. take a look at shares of boeing over the last year. it is also expected within the next couple of months to ask the faa for an increase in 737 max production. we'll see if this investigation influences that decision by the faa. and then finally, take a look at shares of general

electric. ge aerospace i should say the gen x engine has a strong reliability record. and when you talk with people within the industry, they will say time and again ge is a solid engine. now the question becomes did something go wrong with the two engines on this aircraft or strictly with the aircraft, or was there pilot error involved? more questions than answers guys. >> and phil, we've mentioned before some of the boeing safety incidents. we mentioned, the ones in 2018 and 2019 lion air, ethiopian air, the door thing last year. how much is boeing done to improve the safety standards and the perception? because that's a blow. well, let's wait to find out more. well obviously it's not good headline. >> you're absolutely right, sarah. sarah, this is a blow. sorry to step on you a bit there, but this is a blow to its efforts to improve its reputation and the quality controls that they have put in place. and by all measures, when you talk with airline ceos, we

were talking with scott kirby, what, a week ago. and he said, look, they're doing a far better job with the aircraft that they're delivering. he's not alone. we're hearing that from other aircraft ceos or the ceos of aircraft leasing companies, which are taking these aircraft straight from boeing. this is all that under kelly ortberg. but he knows he's got a long ways to go. where they are right now is just the basics of blocking and tackling and manufacturing. then they're going to increase production rates. but there's no doubt that this crash will raise fresh scrutiny about the reliability of boeing airplanes. >> okay, phil, we'll turn to you as you as we get more information. thank you very much. our phil lebeau. the big news on the economy today. more good news on inflation ppi, which is the wholesale price inflation sometimes precedes consumer price inflation coming in at a tame 0.1% increase for the month of may. that was better than expected. it follows cpi yesterday. consumer price inflation, which for the fourth month in a row came in lower

than expected. i mean, if you look even inside core ppi x food and energy was up 0.1%. a lot of the economists look there. you can also look through some of the components here. because we economists like to extrapolate this to predict the pce, which is what the fed looks at its preferred inflation measure. you look at things like airfare prices, transportation prices in there. and it's pointing to another sort of benign read on pce. bank of america says 0.2% increase for the month of may on pce core. so that's you know, core number should go up to about 2.6% core from 2.5% because of base effects. but the bottom line is i like what david rosenberg just said. waiting for godot on tariff inflation. yeah, godot. but also, you know, it's more more commonly godot but sure. but also, you know, renaissance macro has called it tariff derangement syndrome

because people are so worried about all this inflation from tariffs. and we're just not seeing it yet. maybe it comes maybe it comes a little bit later, but maybe it also comes in the form of profit margin decreases and companies are absorbing it. >> well goldman just now raising their full year gdp from 1 to 1.25 cutting their peak jobless from 4.5 to 4 four. they talk about easier financial conditions, lighter inflation prints. and then they're arguing some measures of trade policy uncertainty have moderated as we've inched our way to de-escalation. >> right. and that's what the market's telling you all of that combined. so the question is can the fed cut now to rate cuts. you know what. the fed has not changed its line at least chair powell that it is in wait and see mode. the other factor to all of this of course is employment. we got jobless claims today. 248,000 americans filed for unemployment claims, same as the revised last week. so it's moving up, as you can see on the chart there. but it's still at historically low levels. i think you can say overall, we're not at any kind of level where the fed would necessarily have to feel like,

oh, we've got to get in front of this and cut, but maybe they should start worrying more about inflation and growth side of the picture than the growth and employment side of the picture versus inflation. i think that's what the economic data is telling you today. that's why the dollar is weakening to a two and a half year low, why bond yields are under pressure on a rethink of what the fed's going to do. >> do we do we buy. some argue today with the euro 116. if it's start trying to assert itself as some kind of alternative safe haven. >> well, i mean europe is looking at a lot of what's going on right now and trying to take advantage of the opportunity where, you know, christine lagarde, the ecb president, has given speeches about how we need to be the stability for investors and for trade and more open on trading relationships. so maybe there's some of that. but overall, you've seen a pretty broad weakness in the us dollar. you're seeing it against the japanese yen. you're seeing it in other places. as far as whether people are, you know, foreigners are dumping us assets. it's not really showing up that much in the bond

auctions. let's see what 30 year shows us today but didn't see it in the ten year. haven't haven't really seen that you get a weak number. and guess what. you get a big rally in the bond market. and that's what we're seeing in the inflation numbers. >> yeah certainly as the s&p erases its early losses here. now back to flat. meantime with the hearing with the treasury secretary is now underway. joining us this morning roger altman here at post nine. evercore senior chairman and founder and former deputy treasury secretary roger thanks for coming in. good to see you. i'm not sure where you want to start. if you believe. >> we pick up on something that you just said, which is goldman has up raised its growth forecast for the year from one i think you said to one and a quarter. yes. but put that in perspective. at the beginning of the year, the widespread consensus, january 1st for us, growth was in the twos. now everybody has marked it down. world bank just came down to 1.4. goldman had gotten all the way down to one, and that obviously reflects a slowdown. and a lot of that is usually

traced to policy uncertainty or tariff uncertainty. and so what's really going on is the beginning of a slowdown. now it's not dreadful. we're not going off a cliff, but the economy is slowly shifting into a lower gear, largely on account of policy. and it's showing up a little bit in the labor market data. fortunately, not too much yet, but monthly job numbers are coming down. if you look at them over 2 or 3 year period, you know, they're about twice as many jobs being created per month a year ago as there are now. so i think that's the main headline about the us economy beginning to slow. now equities are very high and there's a little bit of a contradiction there. and we'll see whether or not if we see greater evidence of slowdown. and it's really all about the consumer. whether the equities is correct or whether they don't. and obviously the inflation data is helping equities because it's very favorable and benign. but then you say to yourself why is inflation improving to this

degree? why are oil prices where they are? why are interest rates come down 30 to 40 basis points. and part of the answer is the. >> slow growth. yes. but you could also look at it, roger, as they the administration came in and said secretary bessent was very clear. we're going to see slower growth as we try to move away from a government fueled, inflation fueled, stimulus fueled economy back to the private sector and also rebalance the entire trading relationship of the globe. and given some of those major risky undertakings, economy so far is holding up well, yes. >> but and look, i want the economy to do well and markets did do well. so but when the administration first took office at the very beginning, this idea of an interim disturbance wasn't their message. when they began to roll out the tariff policies. and there was quite a blowback. then they said, look, we're going to have to go through a period of some pain or painfulness. but, i mean, that's not what they wanted and that's not what they initially sought.

>> the three, three, three. you wanted 3% gdp, right? you wanted 3% budget deficit on the trade front. do you think this this decline, this slow decline can be managed with a series of rolling deferrals and extensions and handshakes? >> well, i think there's a growing sense that the impact of tariffs on growth will be a little more moderate than people initially feared. and part of that is the administration's own. it's on, it's off. it's paused, it's delayed. and there's a sense that maybe they won't be end up as high as people thought. and for as long as people thought, for example, the biggest duality or bilateral issue here is china. and what just happened over the last couple of days is a wall street journal editorial says this morning. it's essentially a truce. it's a decision to pause. and i happen to think the chinese are playing this shrewdly. and even though they

don't have as good a hand in the thing from a long term point of view as we do, because there's so much more export dependent. but we'll see. but i think people are beginning to say the impact of these tariffs, while negative, may not be as high or as big or last as long as we might have initially feared, your day. >> job is still a lot of. it's still advising companies right on whether they should do a deal, or advising them how to avoid an activist. >> that's what they tell me. >> what they tell you, right? i mean, you know, talking about things that we anticipated that haven't happened yet. and the stock of the company you helped found, evercore, soared at the end of last year because we thought we were going to have an m&a free for all. certainly hasn't happened in the first five and a half months of the year. what are you seeing, hearing in terms of dialog or expectation? >> a bit of a pickup. and you've seen in the last week or ten days a spate of announcements. you follow them very closely and i might say, very well, thank you. this power sector and infrastructure is strong.

technology is strong. and biotech is not as strong as a lot of people thought. but but continuing to be active, very active. there's a few strong sectors now global dollar volume year over year. the kind of biggest measure is up. not a lot but it's up right. but the number of deals year over year is down especially smaller deals. so it's kind of a split screen. we tend to work on larger things. so for us business is a bit better. and i do think there's a there's been a there's a big pent up demand. and at the very beginning of the year pre trump, as you say, there was a sense we're going to have a big year in m&a. and now apropos of the comments we just had about maybe people getting used to the tariff impacts or the what they may be, i think there's a sense that some of that pent up demand is beginning to express itself. and i want to overdo this. there's no boom occurring, but i think there's a

bit of a pickup. >> yeah. although there's still a regulatory question. obviously the uncertainty question is probably the larger. >> one, david. there's a developing sense that with the exception of big tech, which a big exception. >> yeah. >> we're going to end up with a more notably more permissive regulatory approach once the administration is a little further along. it's only four months old and there haven't been enough test cases, but i think that's my own view at least. and i think a lot of people watching it closely think we're going to end up with a more permissive, more favorable environment from a regulatory view, except for big tech. >> the other question we keep running into is, to the degree we are deregulating and getting more permissive, as you put it, are the europeans also trying to get religion on that front and narrow that spread? >> i don't know the answer to that. just a little too soon to tell in terms of whether if we really make if it becomes clear that the united states has taken

that step toward. a more permissive environment, will europe to some extent follow? i really don't know. and i don't think there's much evidence on that yet either way. and some of it has to do with politics and of course, which leaders are are where in europe? we'll see. i don't know. >> what do you think of the big beautiful bill if it passes, what are your expectations that it would do for the economy and the fiscal situation? >> well, having been since you've been fairly optimistic here this morning, i have to be direct about that. i think this the big beautiful bill is terrible. terrible. it's terrible. it's terrible from the point of view of fiscal policy. i saw an estimate this morning that the debt to gdp relationship is going to rise to 184% debt to gdp, which is terrifying. and absent the bill would be about 140. and this is not the moment we need to increase deficits, because we're running a $2 trillion deficit

right now in a pretty decent economy. second of all, the regressiveness of the bill, the idea behind this bill is, you know what? let's cut taxes, especially for well-off people, and do a little paying for it with reduced medicaid and snap food food stamps. now, i'm sorry, that is just not a fair approach. people like me don't need more tax cuts. and all this talk about waste, fraud and abuse and medicaid and snap know the amount of waste and fraud in snap which is food stamps is like this. okay. so i think i think it's a terrible bill. and i think it's going to pass in some form or other because i think there's too much momentum from the republican point of view for it not to pass. but i think it's terrible. >> i thought you might have something to say about it. >> the house is going to vote on

some rescissions today, and i'm sure the secretary will try to defend it in front of the senate. roger, thanks. >> good to see you guys. >> roger, roger. >> here's our roadmap for you for the rest of the hour. as mentioned, treasury secretary scott bessent testifying right now to the senate after yesterday's marathon house hearing. we're going to take you to washington for highlights. >> plus chime rings in a new era. the fintech company is going public today priced at 27 last night. we'll tell you what the ceo had to say about the decision to go public, and how the company's customer base differs from traditional banks such as jp morgan. >> and gm. betting big on america? we'll talk to former board or board member john mcneil, a former tesla president, about the company's multi-billion dollar commitment to american manufacturing. is micron has some news on that front as well. today on squawk front as well. today on squawk on the street continues. (♪♪) ♪ well i was raised by careful hands ♪ ♪ yeah, they made me who i am ♪

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out. that's 800 947 5100. >> time is going to begin trading today. this after price its ipo was above the expected range. it priced at $27 a share. i sat down with the company's ceo, chris britt, last night. we talked about its path to the public markets. the online banking firm was once valued as high as $25 billion. that was in the private markets back in 2021 around a capital raise. at the time, we also discussed how the company's customer base is faring in this economy right now. >> the interesting thing about our model is 70% of the spend that our members do is on non-discretionary payments, so

they're doing it, you know, they're buying groceries, paying utility bills. we're not as subject to the ups and downs of a, of a credit cycle because we are primarily a payments business, not a lending business. and so i think that's really unique about the model. and even in past corrections and covid and so forth, we actually saw that more of more of your direct deposit goes into your do you. >> have these overdraft? i mean, you have this overdraft product where people can take up to at least $200 and they don't have to pay fees. >> that's right. >> is there a risk there, though? >> there's always a risk when you're doing some amount of short term credit extension. but think about these credit lines that we're giving people $200 of overdraft or with our my pay service, the ability to access your paycheck up to $500 at any point in time over the pay cycle. these credit extensions we do pay back to us in very short periods of time. our spotme product pays back in less than seven days. the mypay product pays back in less than two weeks. so we really have our hands on the dial. and if we ever needed to of course, correct in some way, we have a high degree of flexibility. and it's not a it's not in any way a

capital intensive business the way a bank is. >> as i mentioned, you have been at it for some time. it doesn't appear that the big banks are particularly interested in your in your, your customer base, i guess. but is that a risk still that at some point they'll say, you know what, we're going to we're going to start to try to compete here in terms of fees. >> well, i think they've tried a few times and then pulled back, but i think i would direct you to jamie dimon's shareholder letter, which came out just two months ago. and there was a passage in there where jamie wrote that for low balance accounts at chase, which make up the majority of our accounts, the cost to service these accounts far exceed the profit that we earn from them. he said something along those lines, and i think full respect for jamie dimon. i think jamie saying out loud what a lot of other bank ceos probably think, which is that they're way more focused on serving the needs of higher income people that they can lend to. and that's why you continue

to see, you know, innovations in the area of private client wealth services, jumbo mortgages, super prime credit cards with travel access and all these sorts of things, whereas we're focused on the everyday consumer and the needs that matter most to them around liquidity, avoiding fees and, you know, not trying to disparage the bankers. they're making practical decisions around focusing their product innovation efforts on the segment of the population that they can make the most money from because of their reliance on a branch infrastructure and the physical acquisition and service delivery model. the mathematics just don't work. it's not a profitable segment for us. we can enjoy close to 70% transaction margins with this huge segment of america, 75% that make up to 100 k, right? and help them make progress in their financial lives. >> and how many employees do you have? >> 1400 1400 1450. >> and you're going to be a

public company soon. and i think it's 25.9 million shares are being sold by the company. so you're raising that money another 6 million or so by existing stockholders. what are you going to do with that money? i mean, is it going to enable you to do what? hire more people, more infrastructure? >> honestly, we didn't have any capital constraints. so we think that going public was just a natural step in our evolution as a as a leader in our category and as a consumer brand, we're really excited about becoming an even more well-known company. we will be raising some money. we'll be using a good portion of those proceeds to pay the taxes on the double trigger. for so many of chime employees that will be have a tax due bill upon the upon the transaction. so that's actually where the majority of the proceeds will go and the rest will be, you know, we think having about $1 billion of cash is makes sense for a company. >> so a lot of it is just it's kind of a marketing exercise. >> it's a little bit of a marketing exercise. yeah. >> but we'll be talking about it on cnbc. you're right here. i

mean it does help i guess. but is there something else in terms of the audience or, or your potential addressable audience that they care whether you're a public company or not? >> i think, you know, as a as a company that is really a digital first company, anything you can do to have more connections to the physical world is goodness, right. and, you know, our aspiration is to be a generational brand that sets a new standard in banking. and of course, we need to be a public company in order to do that. and it obviously opens up lots of opportunities in the area of m&a and growth and just general corporate flexibility. >> of course, you'll be able to use the currency if you choose to. >> are there shareholders? we've had shareholders for 12 years. >> you have. >> you've got employees. >> you thought you might go public at a different time. i mean, you had a valuation far above at least what we're going to see at the open tomorrow. right. this company at some point in the private markets was valued at close to $25 billion. >> yeah. and our last financing back in in 2021, obviously that was a different point in time. we've grown substantially since then and have now reached profitability. so you know the

price of stock fluctuates. i think for us nothing wavers in terms of our focus on obsessing over the needs of the everyday consumer and doing a better job of banking them in this payments driven business model that we have, which is so different than the way traditional banks go to market. >> and what about you? you've been at it for a while. i did note, and this is, you know, compared to your customer base or most people, you're going to own 5% or so after the ipo, which is going to be a significant sum, but it's not that much compared to a lot of founders. how did you get to such a low number, and does it incent you enough to want to continue? >> oh, i'm very satisfied and i have no regrets on the path that i've taken. i've got a co-founder and we have been a private company for some period of time, and i have more than enough motivation. i don't even need financial motivation to continue. this is professionally. this is my life's mission. >> and he has an interesting backstory as well, which which we went into to some extent.

also in terms of why he sort of focused on this particular cohort. i think we are starting to get some indications, perhaps 42 i'm hearing. so we'll keep an eye on it. priced at 27. >> i like that question. why aren't you richer? why don't you have more of a stake? well. >> it is interesting, you know, i mean, 5% is not insignificant. but we know a lot of founders who obviously have a much larger percentage stake. certainly we can remember back in the heady days of ipos, we'll be looking at the cap tables and saying, oh my god, this person is now a billionaire. not going to be the case here, by the way, though they do. he and his co-founder voting control, which we also often now see of course, as a prerequisite almost in terms of many of these companies. >> one thing i was just going deep on, on the s-1 since you mentioned it, and i took it from your conversation as well, is just the different demographic makeup and profile of the time customer versus the bank customers. the less than 100,000 income, 36.5 years old is the average age and 55% women. >> yeah, and a lot paycheck to paycheck, which does, you would think introduce some risk. but

but at the same time he sees real opportunity there. and again it's the interchange fees from using their card. they want to get the direct deposit relationship. that's how they sort of get you to be a part of their of their ecosystem. >> and they advertise they're on the mavericks. >> yeah they're on the mavericks. that's right. >> they'll use the money for more stuff like that. >> that's 10 million bucks a year, i believe. i think they're very happy with that as well. and obviously mavericks have the number one draft choice coming up. so that's going to be very helpful for them as well cooper flag. so yeah. >> all right well we'll see how that stock opens chime for our ipo today. still ahead nvidia ceo jensen huang making fresh comments to cnbc about competing with china as the stock ticks higher toward record levels right now. his new warning about restricting access to that market straight ahead. and then speaking of china, treasury secretary scott bessent is back from trade negotiations with china in london, testifying for a second day on capitol hill senate finance committee. this time we've got some highlights when squawk on the street comes

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10th of a percent producer prices. that was the big economic report of the morning coming in lower than expected. more evidence a benign inflation. and now we have a better sense of what this week's data is going to mean for the fed. steve liesman here with more. morning, steve. >> hey, sherry. yeah, well, welcoming the lower inflation reports the past two days, forecasters still puzzling over what you might call the tariff mystery of when these increases will show up, how they'll show up, or if they will at all. producer prices were well under control, up just zero one on the headline and zero one for core, both better than expectations that followed a tame consumer price report yesterday. not surprisingly, both reports lead to an expectation of a very modest increase in that pce price index, the fed's preferred indicator we get at the end of the month. i'm seeing estimates ranging from zero one on the low side to just zero two on the high side. fed's going to take all that into account. but it's still unlikely to be fully confident in the inflation outlook b of a saying overall

the number. it's a good number for the fed. but it's hard to take hard to take too much signal given the uncertainty tariffs pose around the inflation path. okay here's the tariff mystery. is it absorbed by profits by exporters wholesalers and retailers? is it offset by price declines in other goods because of economic weakness? we saw airline fares decline. or are these price increases still to come? there was a little pressure on the intermediate goods as well. markets looking more confidently for two rate cuts this year, with a roughly 7,879% probability of cuts in september and december, that's up 20 points over the past two days. but note that probabilities remain low for july. so the consensus is that the inflation numbers are good. maybe the worst has been avoided, but the fed's going to wait a couple meetings to be sure. sarah. >> yes. like we said earlier, the waiting for godot a little bit. i learned today from my

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is investing $4 billion in us production in response to tariffs on imported vehicles and auto parts. john mcneil joins us now to discuss all of it. he's the ceo of db ventures, former tesla president and current general motors board member. it's good to have you, john. the order on california. we knew this was coming. how big of a deal is it for the automakers? >> hi, sarah. it's a pretty big deal. and it's something for investors definitely to pay attention to. i think, you know, what they're doing is they're repealing california's, what's called a waiver, where california gets to set their own emission standards and their own targets for ev. ev percentages of sales. and 17 states signed up to follow those. and so it has implications beyond california. but the big probably the big implication for the market is that california got way ahead of the ev demand and was and manufacturers were going to be forced to pay fines and buy credits to make up for any

deficit in that demand. and what we're going to see now is, i think, a much more rational market. one of the implications of this is that the credits that that carmakers have had to buy to be compliant, that market is now going to go away. and so you're going to see a much more rational market around evs. and i think specifically for tesla investors, there's something to keep an eye on, because more than 100% of tesla's profits in the first quarter came from selling ev credits. so that's going to happen. that's going to be a material impact on tesla's bottom line, for sure. >> does it change anything about the strategy or direction of a company like gm? >> i think, you know, we're on this path of giving the consumer the drivetrain that they want, whether that's an electric drivetrain or a gas drivetrain, and putting really good cars out into the market and letting the consumers, the consumer choice

win, and so on, both sides of that aisle, like gm's, have had a very good first half of the year so far. they're leading in suv is their leading in pickups, and they've just become the number two player in the ev market. so they're playing both sides of the propulsion market really really well. i think the implication here is, is that although gm may have been a net credit provider to the market, that's not the business we're in. we're not in the business of manufacturing credits for ourselves and getting paid for those. we're in the business of manufacturing cars. and so i think for gm, this is a good step towards a much more rational market. >> john, what do you think is on the line for the austin event for tesla? a lot of reports sort of leaking out about what the city's willing to disclose in the way of what role human caretakers will play. and there's pieces out of wired about model y sort of circling the same route. how do they how do they sort of communicate a message of growth but also do no harm?

>> i think that's the that's the really the heart of the question, carl. and i'm glad to see tesla leaning towards safety and do no harm because these technologies need to win over not only the public but the regulators. and you do that with the safest product that you can have. and so i'm glad to see tesla being conservative here. you know, they announced that that that over the next few days, rather than launching robotaxis, they're going to delay that launch and make sure that they're really, really ready on the routes that that they've planned. and i think having human operators in the background isn't a bug. it's actually a feature. and the autonomous industry has been shy about this, i think, for too long. but as a, as a, as a passenger in these cars, i like to know that there's a human that can help the car get out of a jam. and we all know that this technology is not perfect. so having human operators in the background is a good thing, i think. not a bad thing. it's a feature, not a bug.

>> yeah. you know, i wonder on that as well though, john, in terms of, you know, when i was talking to musk recently, he did not make a great deal of the sort of the infrastructure that will be necessary to really power a, you know, a fleet of autonomous vehicles. you seem to think otherwise in terms of at least what the operational infrastructure is going to look like or needs to look like. >> yeah, i think it's, you know, if you replace the driver and rideshare, you replacing not only the driver of the car, but you're replacing everything that that driver does. that driver maintains the car, they clean the car, they fuel the car, they insure the car. and so there's a lot to that. like if i put my car onto a, a robotaxi network, there needs to be an answer. somebody spills their latte in the back of that car, gets sick in the back of that car, and it needs to be cleaned up for the next passenger. that's one simple thing, but but if the car breaks down, that's quite another thing. and so there is a ton of infrastructure work

that's already been built up around waymo's operations in the cities that they're in that tesla's going to have to build up as well. >> john, finally, real quick on gm, you know, you talked a bit about the what is the board saying in terms of the challenges or what is management communicating with you to the extent you can share about around tariffs and sort of do you feel like you've got a roadmap at this point in terms of what it's going to mean for the company? >> like tariffs introduced a lot of uncertainty, as you know, david, into the into the entire market, but certainly into the car manufacturers world. we've kind of emerged from that. the teams at gm have done incredible work over the last few months to really kind of optimize our footprint. and we announced yesterday a major investment of $4 billion into us manufacturing in our facilities in michigan, in, in in kansas city, in tennessee, we're we're bringing over 2 million units of production back to the us. so i do feel like the gm team has a roadmap now, but we're going to

depend on on some certainty and stability. these are long term capital decisions of 3 to 4 years. and the car manufacturers just can't have policy makers changing policy. you know, more often than not because we've got we've got these long term decisions we're making. and if we get stability then american manufacturing can compete. if we don't have stability, we're actually kneecapping our own manufacturers. and that is something i don't think the policymakers are intending at all. >> all right, john, well, thank you for weighing in on all of it. really appreciate it. john mcneil, who's a gm board member, also lululemon. we'll get you on that one next time. good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> treasury secretary testifying before senate finance this morning. got some new tales from that hearing coming up in a that hearing coming up in a moment in the age of ai, smarter threats need even smarter protection... crowdstrike's charlotte ai is delivering the future of cyber security for what's now and what's next... built on the intelligence of every breach we stop,

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for more on what's been happening in the hearing, let's get to eamon javers in dc. morning, eamon. >> yeah. good morning carl. a testy moment here between the treasury secretary and the ranking democrat on the committee, ron wyden, over the question of who's paying the cost for the trump administration's tariffs. are american consumers paying those costs? here's how that moment played out. >> you're cherry picking because walmart makes decisions based on their customers. two other very large retailers. and this is not an advertisement for them. amazon and home depot have chosen not to pass on tariffs. and there seems to be a new version of tde, which i would call tariff derangement syndrome. and many on your side seem disappointed that there is no inflation to date. >> so bessen pointing a new term there of tariff derangement syndrome to push back against democrats on the committee. he testified for about six hours on capitol hill yesterday. we'll see how long this one goes today. >> i think we it was mentioned at the top of the hour tariff

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for fiscal 2026. that was a really bullish signal on the call. and interestingly enough, stargate, the $500 billion ai infrastructure project that's supposed to reshape american ai dominance, quote, contributed little to none of that massive rpo guidance, according to ceo safra catz. that makes larry ellison's description of current demand as, quote, astronomical even more striking. why? because oracle's already delivering pretty exceptional growth that we saw in q4 on pure market demand, making any stargate upside additional fuel for their growth trajectory. also to note, oracle said they had no issues getting gpu supply. we know that nvidia had talked about that. oracle's just another large company saying they're able to get their hands on all of those chips. both mizuho and jefferies say that investors have been moving away, though, from adobe, salesforce as well as workday into oracle, which is why you did see a little bit of a run up into the stock, into the print. and you can see also just we're going to show you the etf. it's also a good barometer to compare

the basket of software stocks and how they're doing compared to oracle. and you can really see the divergence just over a year to date. well we'll have both up there in a second. but one year 29% oracle doing much better. >> i think new all time high now that's recovered fully from any sort of a downdraft. just it's always interesting. ellison is up $29 billion today. we forget he owns 40 plus percent of this company 1.4 billion shares. >> it's always interesting when we can talk about how wealthy people get. >> well i mean the numbers are just so staggering. sometimes you can forget $228 billion is his ownership stake in oracle. that's what it's valued at today given that incredible move of course. and how bullish he was. >> exactly on the call on his comments. he said that he had never and i'm paraphrasing right now that he had never seen such demand. and i think that those comments, along with safra katz's comments on the call, really spoke to what's to come in the upcoming year, not necessarily just how they did this past quarter, which i think could have been a little what are. >> they doing that others like,

what are they doing? right. that's driving the demand more than the hyperscalers aren't seeing growth like like these kind of double digits. >> great question. i think. well, one of the relationship that they maintain with nvidia. so they're able to move forward with that. two, perhaps they got a like a foothold with the stargate thing in the united states and the uae much faster than everyone else. and i don't know why they were picked over the other hyperscalers. so it's a great question, which i don't seem to have an answer to. >> well, meantime, we'll get adobe earnings tonight. talk a little. yeah. >> it's supposed to be not. >> as good right. we'll see. talk more software in the morning. by the way coming up still a big interview with former treasury secretary and former fed chair janet yellen when money movers begins after this. >> real time exchange sector. sword is sponsored by sector sw(vo) zepbound means change. spider etfs.

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