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these old coots, it could be used in peace talks and could cure the common cold. unless you think i'm exaggerating, look at how the video ends. >> i have a dumb knee. and then the horse back. ride the cowboy. >> it is video prozac. you are welcome. it is too bad the house of representatives went home on break. i think that is what they need to crack the whole thing wide open. that is simpson style. >> we will see you one hour from now 10:00 p.m. eastern. piers morgan starts right now. >> tonight the top five things that america is talking about. number one, peace love and mutual understanding.
>> we can't negotiate with ourselves. >> it is me. >> bob costas, did he cross the line. >> and the most outrageous royal prank over. >> hello there. could i please speak to kate please, my granddaughter? >> this is piers more dpgan ton. good evening. our big story tonight from what every one is talking about. the royal prank called heard around the world. and this shocking new york subway photograph. reports of chemical weapons in syria. let's get started with what promises to be a lively discussion. and a host of huff posts live.
and welcome to you all. let's start with guns and the fall out of the murder and suicide of jovan bellcher. let's watch what he said tonight. >> i believe that there should be more effective controls on the sale of guns. >> roughly 40% of the guns purchased in this country do not require a background check for purchasing. i don't see in anyone should be able to purchase military style or body armor or weapons. >> let's start off. you are a big gun fan. pln to me why bob costas is wrong? >> it boils down to the ability to protect yourself piers.
when you look at what is what happening in syria with the use of chemical weapons. somebody else has a threat of using a similar weapon. as a gun owner. you have to be able to protect yourself. if you are damaged and you are willing to take somebody else's life. that comes down to that person is not going to obey the gun laws. they are going to find a gun or find another weapon. >> stretching and shooting to syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership.
murders a year. britain has 35 as does germany and australia. to countries that have strict gun kcontrol have little gun murder. i think carole had it right. she said it is about personal responsibility. that is the most important part. it is a difficult one. people are going to have an oh w pinion about it. we have to make sure that they were -- wanted the american people to feel protected about the british at the time. i don't think people should be able to go online and buy guns. there should be rules in place
on background checks. our country is founded on these freedoms. i totally respect the constitution by the way. what i don't respect is what i don't respect is the interpretation of the letter of the second amendment of the constitution which i think is being misused to endorse everyone in america. >> the constitution talkses about a well regulated militia. the power of the government not to take away guns and every american should exercise personal responsibility. by not putting their children at risk of suicide and murder. yes, people should be punished
but we shouldn't encourage criminal conduct by having guns at flea markets. if this football player hadn't had a gun there would be two people alive today not dead. >> that is not true. if he wanted to kill somebody, there are plenty of weapons including his fist, a car, a bomb that can do it. the intention is still there. >> it lasts a minute and if you have a gun it takes a second. >> fleeting? >> you are putting the word -- >> to carole's point. it is people that kill people. i think it is important to make sure. >> it is people with guns who kill people. >> no. let's talk about in england. >> we are moving. we have a lot to come here.
there will be more gun outrages. let's move to this new york post front page. it was about a young guy who pushed somebody onto a train trath who got killed onto the track. should the man have taken the photograph or helped. i guess what it says about the subway system. what you do about it. >> the picture should have been published. americans have a right to see tragedy. >> we might have had two or three dead people if somebody had not tried to jump onto the track.
i don't think they are safe. i think people stand too close to the edge. we probably should have barriers and areas where the fence opened. >> first i would like to point out that he was pushed by somebody who didn't have a gun. i want to say something serious here. when i was a senior in college my boyfriend was killed in a car accident and i know the way that i felt at that moment. and i cannot imagine how this poor man's family felt looking at that picture. to me knowing how devastated i was having seen the body to see his struggle for the last minutes of his life shows to respect for life. it is rep rehencible that the
professor sold it and i think that nobody should by the post. you are watching the second before he gets run over by a train. >> it is not only about the photo though. it says doomed, this man is about to die. there is nothing right about that photo or about what they put on that cover. they are not known for their ethics, but you would think they would go out of their way at a time like this. >> i'm sure their argument is that every form of media has been running this photograph.
if you feel that strongly. don't use the dam thing. >> think about the greatest photographs ever published. the photograph of the boy during the holocaust. and the girl killed during the vietnam war. >> and the public has the right to see. >> what benefit did this photo have. >> this is a -- it has been used by almost every other form of media there. it is hypocritical. turning to other offensive
things the fiscal cliff which is beginning to be the crashing balls in politics. you are three bright americans involved in politics. you find this almost laughable that year in and year out that washington doesn't get deals done. you are thinking what is wrong with american politicians? why can't they get around the table and negotiate properly? >> nobody cares about the future of america. here we have america urging the israe israelis to negotiate except us in washington. our parties are so extreme.
>> i think the moral is set so low right now on both sides. the country is so divided. we are the one that is are going to be handed down the $16 trillion deficit. it is hard for this to play out. they will come to some sort of a deal. you are going to see them come to a deal. you are going to see them with something sort of like the simpson bowles. >> pam has sent it to the
public. that if it goes over the fiscal cliff republicans are prepared to make the middle class pay more tax paying more. and that is a very bad position for the republicans to find themselves in isn't it? >> sit a very bad position for them to find themselves in. the fact of the matter is, it isn't true. the taxes on the wealthiest americans, it doesn't address the core problems. the $16 trillion comes from government over spending and we have slow growth. raising the taxes on anybody whether it is on the poor or the other americans doesn't solve the problem. let's get in and figure out what the key problems are and solve those. i made an analogy earlier to
dejay rings up with this accent and they think it is the queen of england land. have you ever heard of something so ludicrous? >> i thought it was you. >> of all the problems in the world this is not the most serious one. >> obviously, they are not the ones that were so dumb. they didn't put the call through. they tried. >> the person that puts the call through, that is the one. >> i don't blame the nurse. she has been put through. the question en is on the phone. >> i think they should be taken to the tower of london. >> abbey, carole and allen, thank you all very much indeed.
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that they kcame in. i asked him during our show, was there any movement of these weapons, because i agree with what nick said, they have been there, was there movement because it would be dangerous. i said no, not yet. movement i think implies that we are going to send aircraft into hit them. >> if he tries to use chemical weapons on his people it will do somethi
something. >> i don't think we are being duped now. there is a big difference between now and 2003. >> i don't think we have any idea. they are not going to be helpful now. it is hard to see how they would advance his cause. he is clearly not a stupid man. >> if you are trying to get a better deal for your family, then, you know, then maybe it's useful.
i agree with you. when do they come after him? >> i don't think that happens. i think he may be a prisoner of the security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by the aids. when do the nato forces and troops come in? has to happen? >> i think we are going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other intelligence assistance for the rebels. >> it is going to be an interesting few weeks i think. >> let's move egypt. difficult scenarios there developing. did he need to do this and what
is the fall out going to be here. the big protest through cairo. >> he blew it. fist of a first the of all by the grab for power. i noticed the stock market rose today. >> that is the tragedy. this whole story, this guy appears to not be a democrat. this guy appears to be moving towa towards secular state.
egypt was a great secular muslim country. this guy seems to be moving back towards this far out notion of the muslim brotherhood. they are coming to tear the pelts down. what does that tell me. we'll come back and talk about our own system of dysfunctional people in washington d.c. and this fiscal cliff. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12 years. aids is strong. aids is strong.
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>> this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> with which i agree but i think the risk here for the gop is that they become the party of rich people.
and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei ining blamed by a pri contender with the field. that doesn't mean they are obliged to stop this.
his own party is slit. you are seeing groups coming out saying i'm prepared to go for a few more taxes. >> from both sides. on this, not exactly. this is one of the things that interested me. there is a lot of people in the republican party, in the senate who have said look, $250,000 is not a rich man, but it is not a rich person in new york city or loss ang. and the rates, which they want to go from 35 to 39.6%. maybe you are going to have to raise the threshold to get a deal. maybe you are not going to be able to go all the way. maybe you can only go to 37 or 38%. >> this is negotiation.
>> i had newt gingrichon last night and i remember both of them telling me, they threw them out of the room. they can't shake hands at a party. and in many ways i blame the republicans for not coming up with a real deal not recognizing what the voters did. but i also think that obama has been very, very poor applying the personal charm and chemistry dragging people off to champ david and we don't know whether or not that has worked. the republicans did feel offended by president's last offer. they felt that it was
outrageous. it was double what they saw last year. and it wanted to have congress lose it's role in terms of increasing the debt ceiling. none of that is probably going to happen. i think it is a good point. if you go back and look. i worked for reagan years ago. reagan and tip o'neill would sit and work together. >> and they evolved into that relationship. and i must say the president did a poor job. a couple of days after the election. bhoener came up with a tax revenue plan. he said let's cap deductions and loop holes and leave these alone because that hopes growth. and he got nothing. nothing from boobama and i thin
that started the bad blood. >> they both have to learn the art of negotiation. >> i'm going to guarantoo you that the democrats are going to be split. >> i'm going to leave it there. nick, larry, thank you very much indeed. >> coming up next. kerry kennedy talks about. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well.
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gordon brown is making his mission to stop what he calls the new slavery. he is serving and joins me now. welcome to you. >> good evening. >> this is a really disturbing report. 215 million children are believed to be children in india. they have been incarcerated in dark rooms without fresh air and
they've got to ask who is the supplier, they have to check if the suppliers are using child labor and monitor the condition. there has to be a combined effort from the companies themselves and individual monitor. we managed with the help of the global march against child labor, an indian campaign to get these children released from what was effectively slavery and bondage. they had been trafficked into that trade, sold by relatives or by friends of the family into being slaves and we need great vigilance on the part of individual governments throughout the world about what's happening in their countries. i think people will be very disturbed that this is, i'm afraid, the tragic christmas story of 2012. >> india is obviously an emerging superpower and great and growing economic strength. how much do they take this kind of thing seriously and what pressure should countries,
perhaps like america, be putting on countries like india to be dealing with this child labor issue? >> india has no law that bans child labor completely. it has a law-banning hazardous law. there is legislature going before the indian parliament. it's not been heard by the indian parliament and passed by the indian parliament. i think before december 20th the indian parliament should be pressurized by the rest of the world. go to their website www.envoy.org, sign the petition and ask indian legislation to pass law immediately so no child under 14 will be any form of child labor and there will be very strict rules about children over ages of 18 involved with different kinds of works. the least we can do is persuade indian parliament to pass this legislation immediately. >> this segue slightly to this incredibly brave girl, you've been heavily involved in her
story, you've been out to pakistan to show support for her. what can we do about the treatment of young people like her that are being victimized by the taliban, by other organizations like it that to try to protect them going forward? >> she was shot simply because she wanted to go to school. the taliban was sending a message to every other children they should not expect to go to school. what's been remarkable is the rising opinion in pakistan themselves, the people that used to be the silent majority, i met them, are now saying, we will not accept these dictates by taliban saying we cannot go to school. i think malala will become the symbol of a girl's rights to education. >> well said. i couple of contemporary issues, one here and one back in our homeland. first one is the fiscal cliff. you're one of the keener economic minds in great britain. what do you make of what's
happening in america? the old expression if america sneezes, we all catch a cold back in europe, as true as ever. what do you think should be happening here to try and get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff happening? >> i have no doubt people are working very hard to get a deal. i wish their discussions -- well, now we have the president re-elected and we have a new congress. i think it's right they get them to the business of sorting this out. i think america's got to think that what it needs to do is get growth in its economy as well. and it needs to get growth by trade and exporting. i think what we're missing at the moment is a global agreement whereby big powers try to rebuild confidence in the world. yes, have you to sort out the fiscal problems. yes, you also have to have growth because that's the key to employment and to prosperity to the future. there's a global deal waiting to be done with china, europe, india also involved in this and, of course, america itself, where we could build the confidence that is necessary to get higher
levels of growth around the world. >> and finally, gordon brown, i couldn't let you go without asking the view of the single biggest news story to hit the planet in the last week, of course, the royal baby. >> it's incredibly important that we give them the privacy because her health is a massive issue. you can see that britain thinks we have a monarchy you can see, prince charles and prince william and then the baby that is -- comes from the pregnancy, you can see the monarchy stretching 100 years ahead. >> you certainly can. and long may they stretch. gordon brown, great pleasure talking to you. thank you. >> thank you very much. and we'll be right back. i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different.
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