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phones. and police were even mistakenly led to his house when they tried to trap a domestic violence call. it's related to a nearby cell tower and limited to sprint phones. that's all for "early start." >> i'm christine romans. "starting point" with soledad o'brien starts right now. good morning, everybody. starting point this morning. a fiery crash in the heart of london. a helicopter hit a construction crane, crashes to the ground during rush hour. we will have a live report with breaking details in a few moments. president obama unveils his new expansive gun control agenda this morning. a nightmare for boeing. an entire boeing 787 dreamliner fleet grounded after a series of
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disasters. how dangerous is this problem? and flash floods in the southeast and a commuter nightmare in the northeast. ahead this morning, we talk to illinois congresswoman tami duckworth. randy forbes, john eustis and twist beatz. wednesday, january 16th. "starting point" begins right now. >> welcome, everybody. let's begin with breaking news. a developing story out of london, where a helicopter hit a crane and crashed into a construction site near a busy commuter hub. it all happened during rush hour. two people confirmed dead. two more taken to area hospitals, and we are live at the scene of the crash in london. erin, give us a sense of what's happened, and what's happening now? >> hi, soledad, what we can
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piece together from various eyewitnesss we have been speaking to. around 7:45 this morning, very foggy morning here in london, a helicopter flying very low and very fast according to one eyewitness, collided with a -- with a 50-story residential tower called st. georges wharf, being under construction when the helicopter collided with the crane, a crane, at the construction site. it went spiralling down to the ground according to one eyewitness, making a very loud bang when it hit the ground. they allowed media access to see the exact area where the helicopter crashed. charred rubble all over the ground. we understand two were killed in the incident, including the pilot of the helicopter. nine treated for injuries at the scene. and still the matter of the crane, soledad, dangling precariously over the construction site in central london.
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>> thank you for the update on that story. this just in. we're learning interior secretary ken salazar is leaving the administration. he told president obama he plans to step down from the u.s. department of interior in march. salazar expected to return to his ranch and family in colorado. in the wake of the newtown massac massacre, the shootings in aurora, the firefighter ambush in webster, new york, the president officially unveiled his gun control plan. it happens today. what we know about it so far, calls for universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons, a ban on high-capacity magazines holding more than ten rounds and more funding for mental health prabs. the gun control debate has intensified and membership in the national rifle association is surging as a result. they also lowered their prices. the nra touting some 250,000 new members have joined, vowing to fight the president's plan too. they say their second amendment rights are under attack. dan lothian following all of
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those developments for us this morning. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. the white house sees this package that the president will be rolling out, as a comprehensive way to try to curb gun violence, the president will be doing something we've seen in the past. when he is trying to get something through congress, he involves the public. when he makes the announcement later on this morning, he will be surrounded by young kids. these are kids who wrote intimate letters to the president after the connecticut shootings. that in itself is also under attack. getting criticism that the president is using kids as props as he pushes this policy. that, though, will be the back drop as the president lays out what sources say will be the comprehensive package, focused on an assault weapons ban and pressing for a ban on high-capacity magazines and this is the new part, with more than 10 rounds. this should impact gunmen who won't be able to fire off as many rounds as quickly as we've
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seen in some of the shootings. universal background checks, anyone who wants to purchase a weapon, either at gun shows or private sales will have to undergo strict background checks, not only criminal, but mental health she cans as well. >> how tough is it expected this fight will be? we know that the president is facing very strong opposition from the nra. what's the estimation on this? >> you know, it is going to be very, very tough, because as we have seen, the president coming out with his proposals today, the nra pushing back with an ad today, very critical of the president, calling him a hypocrite. >> are the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? >> that ad will be running on the sportsmans channel, a lot of viewers who are gun owners and also posted online. clearly a very tough fight ahead as the president tries to
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convince congress to do some things, but also expected to do some things on his own through executive action. >> dan lothian for us this morning, appreciate it. stay with cnn for special coverage of the president's announcement. it begins with wolfe blitzer at 11:30 a.m. eastern. new york is now the first state to tighten gun laws after the shooting in newtown, connecticut. the governor signed the bill that if it was enforced would make new york one of the toughest places to buy, sell, or own a firearm. the bill cracks down even harder on assault weapons, banning any semi automatic with a detachable magazine and limits magazine clips from seven rounds from ten rounds. background checks required at all gun sales, including private sales. other stories making news this morning, john berman with a look at that this morning. >> good morning, soledad. an icy, slippery dangerous morning for a lot of people on their commute.
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a winter storm with snow, sleet, and black ice. dozens of accidents reported on the road. delays piling up in the new york area for flights. jennifer delgado in atlanta with the latest. >> hi, john. when you came, you were looking at rain. leave shot at central park. we've been dealing with snow across parts of the north. let's go to the video. we should show you it's foggy out there, yes, snow, and also looking at mixed precipitation. not just new york city, as i take you over to our radar here, a lot to talk about. rain, heavy rain toward the south. still lingering mixed precipitation. moving through parts of the ohio valley and tennessee valley. a lot of that moving its way out toward the east. a lot of it will be coming to an end in the morning hours. as we move up toward the north, areas like pennsylvania as well as new york, we'll see some of the snow and some of these locations, two to four inches of snowfall.
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for the major cities like philadelphia, washington, d.c. and for new york, we'll see rain for most of the day. warnings and watches, a winter weather advisory for parts of the northern mid-atlantic until 11:00 a.m. and parts of new england until 4:00, and maine, until 11:00 tonight. in addition to the snow out there, you can see most of it will be to the north of interstate 80, where the highest snowfall totals will be. we'll watch that, of course, the heavy rainfall. people need to be careful out there. a lot of travel delays as we go throughout the day. snow totals. back to you, john. >> a lot of slow going in the northeast. thank you very much. more trouble to report for boeing. two major japanese airlines have grounded their fleets of 787 dreamliners after an emergency landing nin japan. this is the series in the latest problems with the jets.
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there were reports of a battery alarm and strange smell in the cabin. two people killed when a domestic violence fight erupted 90 miles from lexington. and a business school in st. louis, a student reportedly shot an adviser in the chest before shooting himself. both men were taken to st. louis university hospital, and both are expected to survive. ten weeks after the storm, the house has passed a $50 billion relief bill to help people in the northeast community recovering from superstorm sandy. after the delay, it infuriated many local leaders, the governors issued a joint statement, praising house members for coming together in a unified bipartisan coalition. saying we anticipate smooth passage when this package moves back to the senate floor for final approval and for this long-awaited relief to finally make its way to our residents. people will be quite grateful when it happened.
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>> and upset it took so long to make it happen. we don't know how far lance armstrong will go with his confession. we won't get a chance to see it until tomorrow. it won't be far enough, according to folks at the world anti doping agency. officials say nothing short of armstrong admitting under oath he used performance enhancing drugs will get him to reconsider their lifetime ban. george howell live in austin, texas. that's lance armstrong's hometown. how has what he has said and we'll see tomorrow, how is that playing in his hometown? >> soledad, good morning. fair to say it is a very different feeling than it was some 12 years ago when i was ai reporter here in austin, covering lance armstrong. i also grew up here, soledad. so my hometown, i remember watching lance armstrong come along. here is a guy who not only
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irspired people around the world as an athlete, but inspired people as a cancer survivor. for the city of austin, texas. a source of pride. now you can't help but feel as you say here in texas, taken for a ride. a little disappointed about what we will hear on thursday. that's what you find on the the streets of austin, texas, when you talk to people. however, people have not lost sight of the good things he's done throughout his career. take a listen. >> it's sad. i mean, he's -- he's our austin boy and we're -- again, i'm saddened about it. i don't like it. you know, people make mistakes. he made some mistakes. but as far as like tarnishing the legacy. at the very least, what he's done for cancer, i have no problem with him continuing on in that role.
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>> reporter: so people hope that what happens thursday will not cast a cloud over the cancer charities that he has headed. at this point, everyone waiting to hear him say in his own words after years of lying about it that he did take part in doping, soledad. >> let me ask you a personal question as a local. how do you feel about it? does the quality of the admission matter to you? does it have to be a con citrit did i it? what are you waiting to hear? >> you know, when i think about the celebrations that i covered, as a local reporter here, would you see kids who were inspired by lance armstrong, people who wanted no follow in his footsteps, cancer survivors, inspired by this life that he led. but now we're learning a lot of that was not so truthful. a lot of the was a lie. and quite frankly, covering the rise in what seems to be the
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fall of the city's hero. this is a hometown here york it's hard, sad, this is a guy who a lot of people looked up to. a will be hard for me and a lot of people i'm sure to watch him after years of saying he didn't do it, admit to doping tomorrow. >> yeah, i'm interested in seeing exactly -- everybody, of course, right, about exactly what he said and how contrite he is. does he mean it or is this so i can move on to other businesses i want to do? bottom hour, we'll talk with john eustice, a two-time cycling champion and analyst. he called the first tour de france race that lance armstrong won. and president obama's gun control plan, expected to create a strong reaction on capitol hill. how will his own party respond to what's on the table? we'll talk with tammy duckworth,
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welcome, everybody. today, president obama unveils his plan to curb gun violence in america. the issue debated all across the country, including last night on a special edition of "piers morgan tonight." take a look. >> what are you saying to me, would you need an iar-15 to protect yourself from your own government. >> let's look at that. 19 orders coming down. we have had natural disasters where police have cleared out of the cities, and people who had weapons were safe. we don't know what will happen. tonight, we might have a bright, sunny america. who is to say what will happen in the future. >> some people make your head hurt when they speak. wow. she doesn't know what executive order is. we'll speak with tammy duckworth. a democrat in illinois. just voted into congress.
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thank you for joining us. this debate, very heated and very angry. that woman just talking from piers morgan's show last night. you hear that not infrequently. i have second amendment rights, and the government might come to get me, some of the is beginning to sound a little nutty to me. how do you be the voice of calm, as you want to be, when the debate is like that? >> i think we need to remind people that the majority of americans are not on those extreme ends. and let's start off by saying that we all want our children protected. those nra ads, saying that the president's children, his daughters are protected, don't you want yours protected the? really, the whole goal is to ratchet up the calm. let's look at the weapons, make sure marksmen can continue to have their weapons they use for
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marksmanship, but we need to ban those who have the functionality to kill a bunch of folks in a few seconds and be careful how we go about this. >> many people have said and forgive me for interrupting. many people who said what you have just spoken about, the assault weapons ban is very unlikely to pass. i heard that from high-ranking republicans and high-ranking democrats. if you look at the list of the president's proposals, and a little graph of this, assault weapons ban, high-capacity magazine ban, universal background checks, more funding for mental health problems. the assault weapons ban, a lot of people say that's not likely to happen. >> i will look and see what the proposal is. i'm interested in the definition of what an assault weapon is, more than i am interested in what it looks like. we also need to take a look at the thing things we should pass right away background checks. people should not be able to buy weapons at gun shows without background checks. we need to do a much better job
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of that. nobody needs a 30-round magazine to go hunting. if you are using a 30-round magazine to go hunting, are you a very bad shot. >> david keane, president of the nra, he talked about his daughter, in the military, as you were, and i know you shot automatic weapons obvious until the military. and have you an owner's license i.d. card now. >> i do. >> here is what he told wolf blitzer about that very thing. why she likes her ar-15. listen. >> high-capacity magazines, why do people need those? >> well, the ar-15. >> you have an ar-15? >> i do not. but my daughter does. >> what does she need it for? >> my daughter served two tours in iraq and afghanistan, like to shoot for fun at the range, and in competition, the same gun they learned on. or something similar to the same gun. she was in the army, learned on a military weapon this is the semi automatic civilian version.
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only gun she owns. she likes to go to the range, likes to shoot it. >> that's why someone likes it, listen, for example, my daughter likes target practice. what's wrong with that? >> i like target practice as well. you don't need to rely on an ar-15 for target practice, and isn't the protection of our most vulnerable the most important priority here? to make sure that our kids are protected, make sure masses of people are not easily killed, but also maintaining the rights of people to go to target practice. you don't need an ar-15 to go to target practice. and if you enjoy firing it, you can enjoy firing some other weapon as well and those may not be fully automatic. >> the president could enact executive order. and some who said as you heard in the sound bite earlier, there might be as many as 19 executive actions. it could provide background checks that would accompany gun sales, and director of the
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bureau of atm. there are some other options for him on the table. a sheriff in oregon, in linn county who said this any federal regulation enacted by congress or by executive order of the president offending the constitutional rights of my citizens shall not be enforced by me or my deputies, nor will i permit the enforcement of any unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal of ises within the borders of linn county, oregon. what do you make when a sheriff basically says if it offends the constitutional rights of his citizens, he is not going to enforce it. >> if he doesn't uphold the laws of the land, he's an elected official, i think this is something for the voters in his area to make a decision on. look, we have to do something to make sure that we fix the problem of gun violence in this nation. background checks are a good start. and making absolutely illegal
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and adding something like mandatory jail time for someone who purchases a weapon for someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a weapon, as was the case in upstate new york is something we can pass, but to up this rhetoric the way the sheriff is jumping into this. the way the nra is ratcheting up the rhetoric does help us get to the end what we're trying to get to. protect the second amendment. allow marksmen and outdoorsman enjoy the right to do that but protect our children who should be able to go to school or people should be able to gather on the street corner. the right to gather on street corners as well without being underthreat from someone who is not mentally stable enough to even own weapons, but, got someone else to buy weapons for him. let's bring down the rhetoric, talk about it, and i'm going to be looking very carefully what the president presents. may not agree with him on everything, but we're going to take a look and make sure those things that we can pass, let's
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pass those first. >> thank you very much, congresswoman tammy duckworth, we appreciate your time. >> thank you, soledad. >> you bet. still ahead on "starting point," a nightmare for boeing. the company's dreamliner after the sixth series incident in the first 16 days alone. what it means for travelers next. "starting point" team headed in to join the conversation next. [ nurse ] i'm a hospice nurse. britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate, administering her medication, and just making her comfortable.
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welcome back, everybody. you are watching "starting point." michael skolnik of global grindth com. abby huntsman, chris frates of national journal. nice to have you with us. let's talk about what is a big, big, big bummer for boeing. what is going on with the dreamliner? a big, hot mess. >> another big incident overnight. another emergency landing in japan. forced to make an emergency landing there. now have you two major japanese airlines pulling it off of the line. won't even use these. you can see the pictures there. a couple of people injured. a smoke alarm in the cockpit adding to a series of concerns,
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soledad, about whether this very complicated, much anticipated jet is safe. >> in seoul, south korea, richard quest standing by. lots of questions about the implications of these incidents and what it means for the future of the dreamliner. richard, it looks bleak and bad at this point. >> yes, i mean, it doesn't look particularly good when have you an evacuation on the runway in such dramatic circumstances. six incidents since the beginning of the year. here is the worrying part. there is no common theme to any of the incidents. a cracked cockpit, a fuel valve, smoke alarm, lithium batteries. for boeing and the faa, japanese authorities to determine what might be behind it, it becomes that much more difficult. and the -- everybody issan keen to say, and does say, the plane is safe to fly, and that's because there are so many safety
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systems within the aircraft that it is a safe form of transportation. having said that, it is certainly a huge inconvenience to the airlines, it's an embarrassment to boeing, and i would say it's a concern to the traveling public when you have half the airlines taking the planes out of service and half of them still flying them. >> so interesting, richard. this is a high-tech, long haul aircraft. one of the aircraft -- some of the carriers have been hoping be able to fly this thing, so you are at any time two or three hours from a place to have an emergency landing, or eventually five hours away at your biggest destination, from an emergency landing, little things like this make you not want to be in a place two or three hours from an emergency landing. >> you are talking about the etops certification, extended
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operation over water. going over the pacific there, are lots of aly tolls and is la. etops means you can be three hours away. triple twin engines, that should not be a concern in any shape or form. boeing has to get to grips with why this plane is having so many glitches in such a short period of time. that's not my words, from the japanese ministry in stotokyo. they tasay they have to sort it out. that being said, the plane is at the absolute extremities of technology. inevitable we would see some of these problems, and we have to find out which airlines, which are flying, and most important of all, what are the reasons for the faults? >> you know, as you started off by saying they are doing an
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evacuation on the tarmac, not exactly something that makes you feel good about the plane are you on. thank you, richard, appreciate it. breaking news out of london this morning. the very latest on the fiery chopper crash that happened in the center of the city. and lance armstrong apparently has confessed to doping in an interview with oprah winfrey. does that mean he could have sanctions reduced in the cycl c world? people say no. and john eustice, who says doping goes way beyond lance. how long would you drive until you realized something was wrong with your gps directions. one woman ended up in another country. come on. that, coming up in a moment. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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rush hour. thousands of people caught up in traffic there. a former marine freed from a mexican president after four months is now talking. 27-year-old john hammer was arrested when he took antique shotgun across the border last summer. on "a.c. 360," he was asked why he had the shotgun on the trip to begin with. >> that shotgun is, you know, basically a part of my camping equipment. we were planning on camping in the wilderness. if we were in a place where hunting was allowed and saw something we could eat and cook on a fire, you know, we would take the shot and have food. >> before being in prison, hammar just completed three tours in afghanistan and iraq and diagnosed with po post-traumatic stress disorder. a reality tv show for a man in inglewood, california, when all of a sudden the car with
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cops in hot pursuit passed by the window. police arrested the driver who led them on pursuit. he was said to be only a boy, although they declined to reveal his age. cinematography there is excellent. scorsese would be proud. following the chase from the tv screen to out your window stunning stuff. it story had us talking. drive 800 miles and turn left at croatia? a woman trying to go 90 miles to a belgian train station ended up in another country instead. 810 miles out of her way, because she says that's what her gps told her to do. the 67-year-old woman told spain's el mundo paper said she was distracted. er in mind it took two days and she was heading south and her destination was north. >> there is more to the story. >> you think? >> i will go out on a limb. say that makes s sense at all.
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>> go back to paper and maps. we are waiting for lance armstrong's next move as the agency that banned him says his confession to oprah is not enough. the confession will air in its entirety on thursday and then on friday, the world anti doping agency says they won't reduce sanctions until lance armstrong makes a full confession underoath, this after we know what he said to oprah. she didn't detail the context or what he said in his confession, but said this. >> i would say he did not come clean in the manner that i expected. it was surprising to me. i would say that for myself, my team, all of us in the room, we were mesmerized and riveted by some of his answers. i feel that he answered the questions in a way that he was
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ready. i didn't get all of the questions asked, but i think the most important questions and the answers that people around the world have been waiting to hear were answered. >> i love oprah so much. that has been the best deep tease for her network ever in the history of a network. amazing. mesmerized. over two nights. >> a 90-minute interview. >> now it will be the full 2 1/2 hours over two days. john eustice, a cycling champ job, cycling coach and analyst who called the first tour de france race with lance armstrong back in the day. >> good morning. >> you as an insider and who knows lance armstrong what are the question you have about a sort of confession that we know to oprah. >> it's an incredible medupbeat
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two media moguls. lance has the ability to ppull the veil on how international sport works. >> how is he a great power, when it has been shown not to be part of a doping scandal, but the top of it exhibit "a" of a fraud perpetrated over years and years? >> look at the tremendous amount of media attention. i equate that with power. look at the sports business as an entertainment business. he is a person who has been at the top of this pyramid for a long time and has the knowledge of how, again, as i say the world of sports actually works. professional sports is a business. and i think what you are seeing here, with what's happening with lance, is a -- a culture clash
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between the ratings driven reality of the sports business where talent is money and money must be the factor, and the ideals of the olympic movement, and he's at the middle of that. >> should cycling be removed from the olympics? >> no, absolutely not. that could be the worst decision of what the olympic committee could make. >> you said it's the opposite of what they should do. >> have you 6,000 dope tests at the london olympics. one came back positive. >> people would say, yeah, is that because technology is so good people can run a scam with the right people in their pocket and perpetrate the thing that lance armstrong did? >> he can expose this. and with all of the focus on cycling and lance this is eight years ago these histories we are talking about at this point. and the thing about cycling, it's one professional sport that's actually grabbed a hold of the issue and you moved
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forward with it. the most sophisticated anti doping measures. compared to football and baseball, it's laughable. we get the hormonal levels, and if there are spikes, you bring them in. we have incredible surveillance of the athletes. we have what we all feel very proud to say, a clean generation of young riders. evelyn stevens, a woman from new york city, tail oo oo oo oor ta. instead of condemning cycling and using it as an easy way out, look at what we've done, how we've addressed this problem a . >> people said what he is really doing here, not some sort of contrition or this incredible burden of guilt. it's a business decision.
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he wants to compete in sanctioned events. it's basically about the money at the end of the day. should the lifetime ban be lifted? >> i think lance is a lifetime athlete and he understand how the system works, where his position is, and he doesn't feel he should be want only one punished as representative of an entire system of stardom and money and money generation. >> john. >> yes. >> let me see what are you saying. are you ab solving lance armstrong by saying there was cheating all over the state? >> i'm saying he was part of an entire system. most visible part of an entire system. >> and also a consistent liar. what he did, he attacked people when she said he was doping. agresively would call it a witch hunt and attack those. more than just being one of a million who are doping, right? >> lance is a killer, and that's why you watch thumb. any of these guys, these athletes who compete at the high
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level, they are killers, ruthless, murderers, that's what they do unbelievable competitors. he was a better athlete than the other ones, on the same level. best teams, best organization, best everything. >> the reason he's the best, this is what tyler hamilton said to "60 minutes." a lot of people weren't willing to take the risk and a lot of people didn't have the money. blood doping takes a lot of money, a lot of details, a posse of sophisticated people, and lance had those. people in his pocket, all of those things, kept him at the want to, and he was willing, if he was a killer it is because he had no affect about it. >> there are at least ten other teams who used the same system during the era. >> you talk about lance being a killer from your perspective, what is the next killer move then? what is the strategy for him to get back in the sport? >> i think what lance wants to
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do, going back to being a lifetime athlete, and he's -- i think he wants to get back into tri@lobs, to raise money for his cancer foundation. he does believe high until that. and like to talk about the line. the one problem the world of professional sports, high level sports, i have observed as a long-time athlete. i first went to europe in 1975. >> did you dope? >> that was a long time ago. and no. but -- >> go with where are you going, and we'll come back to that. >> let me fin, the question. what happens in this situation, the athletes, and i observed this with football players of mine. they develop schizophrenia. and they say i don't do it, and i have an actual schizophrenia, and on the side they are doing it, and it's a double life. >> there is a difference between that, that schizophrenia, and any time someone points out and says are you doing it, goes ahead and aggressively attacks
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over more than a decade. i think that's a different circumstance. >> that's fine. and i can't -- i'm not defending lance's personality and his overt, incredible aggression. >> what will he say tomorrow night that will make this right? >> i don't think anything will make it right. i think he will explain how it all works and explain where he was in the system and explain -- open the door on how, again, this international world of sport actually works. and i think that is the key of what he can do and he can do that, then he can actually help future generations of kids, because from my perspective, the biggest way to end doping issues, and the way we've done it in cycling, to the best of our abilities, is through education, through getting young kids and teaching them the dangers of it, educating them on reaching the edge. no matter what high level athlete are you, you will look to the edge. if kid are guided to the edge in
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bad ways before, you have to guide them to the edge in more healthy ways, and that's the future of the sport and what he can set in motion if he does it effectively. >> we could talk with you for -- wow. wow. great to have you. we appreciate your time. we have to take a short break. ahead this morning, facebook not just for status updates. a new search begengine. does it dig too far into your privacy? that straight ahead.
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if you are on facebook and twitter, people can find anything. >> i think it's a brilliant move. never have to leave on facebook. stay on it all day long. never leave it. >> soledad doesn't want recommendations from her friend. >> i need what other people will recommend. amid the national debate over gun control, a new movie, a short, about a man who buys a gun to protect his family and his life starts to change. the writer and director of "gun" joins us next. you're watching "starting point." mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004.
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we've been talking this morning about president obama's announcing new gun control measures that will happen today and there's a new movie that explores gun ownership from a unique perspective, the transformation of someone that buys a gun for protection. here's a little bit of a short film which is called "gun." >> got a problem, bro? >> yeah.
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>> i have a gun! >> spencer gillis is the writer and director of the short. it's premiering on the sundance film festival on gun appreciation day. nice to have you with us. the film opens with a wife and man in bed who hears someone in their house and it starts in the middle of what must be the most terrifying thing, there's an intruder, he opens the door, he sees the intruder and someone is going through their stuff. tell me what this story's about. >> really it's about the influence of power on the human mind, you know, you have a man who buys a gun and it leads to these dark fantasies that he starts to have and it just takes him down a path that could have very serious consequences. >> what was your point? i mean, are you a gun advocate? are you an anti-gun advocate that this is some kind of
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political message that you're entering into the sundance film festival? >> i think that's the strength of the film that it doesn't push any agenda. personally i have a complicated relationship. i'm from kansas originally and i grew up around firearms. my mother was a police officer, so i shot handguns growing up, so for me i'm a believer in the second amendment, but i do think there needs to be, you know, realistic regulation on that, that right. >> when i saw the first couple minutes of the film and it really is terrifying? i mean, and it just starts, like, right in the middle of what's scary, it made me think i don't think i could ever in the middle of the night pick up a gun if i heard a noise in my living room because i would be terrified that that noise would be my kid coming around the corner and i might shoot them. your story's really an investigation of the human mind more than guns good, guns bad. >> definitely. and that was the intention when we set out. i mean, these issues that are
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happening right now in the press are not at all -- they weren't part of the creative process in the making of the film. it was never a discussion that we had on set. we never talked about, you know, mass shootings or anything like that. it was really just, like you said, an investigation into human nature and just sort of posing the questions to the audience what would you do in that situation, a high-pressure situation, could you handle that with a loaded firearm, what would you do in that case. he didn't have a gun in that moment, but i think that's what the film's sort of getting at. >> you are one of there are something like 8,000 shorts which were submitted to sundance, and you are one of 85 that were picked, so huge congratulations to you. is there something that you want viewers to walk away with? what would be success in your mind for your film? >> i think if people walk away provoked to think about the issue, to sort of re-examine the way that they look at the issue,
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that would be a success in my eyes because that means people are going to have a conversation about the film. they're going to walk out talking about it and to me that's the ultimate goal as a filmmaker. >> abby's going to sundance, she told us. must be nice to be abby, she gets to go to sundance. for the rest of us not going to sundance, how can we see this film? it runs under 17 minutes. >> you can check out the website >> one word? >> just one word. and you can see the teaser what you showed a second ago, that was a piece of that. and you can find out news about where it's going to be screening. right now it looks like we're just going to be doing a festival circuit, so it will be going from city to city and eventually i'm sure we'll do an online distribution. >> so you can come watch it in my office, it's really good. you should watch it. really, really fantastic. really, really interesting. spencer gillis the writer
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good morning, welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning fire and smoke in the heart of london.
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it happened during rush hour, a helicopter crashes into a crane and then falls to the ground in a ball of fire. two people are killed. several wounded. we'll have the very latest on this story just ahead. then a new gun control agenda, president obama laying out his new proposals today. the nra says he's a hypocrite. a nightmare for boeing. two airlines ground the 787 dreamliner after a series of disasters. how dangerous is this problem? he beat out the likes of george clooney and tim tebow, the latest honor for britain's prince harry. it's wednesday, january 16th, and "starting point" begins right now. good morning, welcome, everybody, our team this morning, we've got the editor in chief of and abby hunt is back and is don berman is helping us out this morning, appreciate it. we begin with a story overseas,
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breaking news, a helicopter hit a crane and then crashed near a busy commuter hub in central london. right now they're in the middle of rush hour commute. witnesses say the chopper was flying very low and fast when it hit the crane which was on top of a 50-story residential tower that was under construction. two people are now confirmed dead including the pilot of the helicopter. nine more people have been injured. we'll have more on this developing story as it comes into us here at cnn. president obama officially unveiling his gun control plan today. a source is telling us it will call for universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons and a ban on high capacity magazines and more funding for mental health programs. the white house calls the plan commonsense measures to protect the second amendment rights and keeping guns away from people who have them. the nra on the attack released an ad calling president obama an elitist hypocrite for being skeptical about armed guards at schools while his daughters get secret service protection.
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want to get right to congressman randy forbes this morning, he is as the president officially unveils his gun control plan today, we want to talk about that with him. congressman, it's nice to have you with us. we appreciate your time this morning. >> soledad, good to be with you. happy new year. first time i've talked to you this year. >> likewise with you, sir. we were running through what we believe will be in the president's proposals that he'll announce later today. of the list of things, assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, universal background checks, more funding for mental health programs. pick three things that you would say, yes, as a congress person this can make a change on what is happening in this country now with gun violence. what three things would you support there? >> soledad, i don't think we can say that. i sit on the judiciary committee and i sit on the subcommittee that will hear the proposals, we're looking to hear what the president has. you may have the proposals, we do not have the proposals yet
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and we have the concept that we do the trials before we do the verdict, here we gather the evidence and the facts and we're looking forward to get the president's proposals and hearing the facts on both sides of the case. >> put people in d.c. leak like sieves, but hypothetically speaking of the things i've laid out, hypothetically if he were, in fact, to lay those out, what things even without the list, what would you be comfortable in supporting that would make a change that helps confront this big issue of gun violence in this country, name the thing that you support? >> okay. if i can name the things that i would support, first of all, where i got my information from and just in the last few weeks i've talked to sheriffs and police chiefs. let me take some things they have that aren't the hot topics that you are looking at or the president is looking at. i had one sheriff in the western part of the country yesterday
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told me that the big problem they'll have they'll have juvenile sometimes that have criminal offenses with firearms that won't even get a severe penalty until the fifth time they've used them. we need to deal with that and look at that problem. second thing is i had a police chief in the southern part of the country that told me yesterday, look, sometime our prosecutors aren't prosecuting cases. they had a situation a videotape and a car wash where someone had a mass killing there. the prosecutor said he didn't have enough evidence. federal government had to come in and get a conviction, that's what we need to do. the third big thing, soledad, not in all of this if you look at the spike up in violent activity and much of it with guns, it's in our gang activity that is taking place. a police chief told me the other day we've got some of our gangs here that are doing most of this violence and they haven't even talked about that. those are the kind of things we're looking forward, actually having police chiefs and sheriffs telling us what are the real problems. >> i think those are really,
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really smart, i think they do sound like huge problems. but the gang activity that the sheriffs and police officers were talking about one of the big problems are the straw purchasers and the reason they're able to do that because we don't have universal background checks and we don't have an ability -- >> soledad, let me just point this out to you. that's exactly what we need to be hearing in our committees because what the police chiefs will tell you is that most of these gang members aren't buying these things -- >> their girlfriends are who don't have records are, right, and the girlfriends -- >> or they're going to steal the guns. >> right. i agree. >> most of them are not in the business of buying them legitimately. one of the things we need to make sure of, soledad, a lot of people hate guns and are fearful of guns and i appreciate that, but what we don't want to do is say these things sound good and feel good but they don't get at the problem. >> walk me through -- so the universal background check, how could you be against that? i don't hate guns, i'm not any
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more afraid of them sort of more than anything else, smart people who are well educated in how to use them, can use guns very effectively and efficiently and i trust police and sheriffs when they tell me about their concerns, so i'm not one of those people you list. a universal background check sounds pragmatic, i'd like to know who is selling weapons, if they have a felony conviction i'd like to understand who has weapons. >> you can take it further, soledad. first of all, i didn't say it was, because we haven't had the hearings to see the proposals but the other thing that you didn't even mention was we want to make sure that people with mental illnesses don't have them. >> completely agree. >> we want to make sure that people don't commit crimes. you're exactly right, we need to do the analysis but we need to make sure that we're not doing stuff in there that are going to jeopardize people's rights. let me give you a perfect example. we had the same kind of argument that took place in virginia about 15 years ago. we had a bill that came on because we wanted to take guns
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off of school proper. you and i both agree that that should happen. however, the bill would have said that if you or i borrowed somebody's car and we took our child to school to drop them off in the parking lot and there was a gun in the glove compartment that we didn't know about, we'd have been guilty of a felony. in that particular situation, don't we want to exclude people that didn't even know that guns existed, some people in the debate said, oh, my gosh, you want guns on school property and you don't care about kids. sometime the devils are in the details and they're the details that we'll get in the hearings when we get with people that are dealing with the matters come and testify, soledad. we'll be doing that. this is the president of the united states. he deserves to have a hearing on his proposals and we want to make sure we give him a fair and balanced hearing and at the end we'll make sure we make decisions on the evidence accumulated and not that the president comes in and tells us before we document it. >> i have to ask you about the congressional accountability pay act that you have filed legislation for. it would say if federal spending
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increases by, say, 3%, then salaries for congress would be cut by that same 3%. i'm curious how effective this could be when you consider most congress people actually make way more money than your average american. i mean, the top 50 congress people are making, like, $6 million, so a 3%, you know, cut to their salary is, like, $5,000 it won't mean anything. do you think this really has legs or are you trying to make a bigger point with this measure? >> i think it does have legs and let me tell you i. you and i have talked about this before, we've got to fundamentally change how we do business in washington, how we think and how we act. everybody agrees, you and i agree, the fundamental problem we have is this out-of-control spending. what we have to do is either the president has to take control of it and so far his budgets haven't done or we have to have a balanced budget amendment which is very difficult and we need two-thirds votes and the states have to ratify and we don't have time or you look at legislators and say you need
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skin in the game. if you can't control spending and it goes up by 10% your salary goes down by 10%. it won't impact -- >> "forbes" said you make a lot of money. "forbes" says you are a wealthy man. that 10% of your salary in congress which is roughly $170,000 that will not be a dent in your personal wealth and i'm wondering and there are a lot of congress people -- that have wealth far higher than yours. will it really hurt them? >> "forbes" has never said that about me. >> 2010. >> i wish it were true. if you look, it wasn't accurate. and i think one of the things you will find is members of congress will pay attention if they actually have skin in the game. one of the things we shouldn't be doing we've had the pay increases for members of congress, i voted against every one of them. i think what we ought to be doing is saying if you can't deliver, we're not going to continue to give you the payment that you would get if you can deliver. that's what the cap act says. it will have some results. the question's whether we can get it out of the congress and
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the senate. >> "forbes" magazine said your estimated wealth in 2010 was just under $3 million, they're making that up? they're low or they're high? >> they're very high. and let me tell you why, if you look at the way they do that, they take the disclaimer forms and the disclaimer forms take all of your assets but they have ranges that can be a million or $2 million off, so all they say is he has a house worth between $500,000 and $3 million and they always go to the high side. >> their math is a little off. >> but i wish it were, soledad. >> we wish it were accurate for you as well. always good to talk to you, appreciate that. republican from the state of virginia joining us this morning. there are other stories making news today, john berman has that for us. president obama with another spot to fill in his cabinet. sources tell us that ken salazar has informed the president he expects to step down at the end of march. he established seven national parks and ten wildlife refuges
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and 18 solar energy projects. he also oversaw the federal response to 2010 deep water horizon explosion and massive bp oil spill. the house approving $50 billion in aid for superstorm sandy victims on top of the $10 billion in flood insurance already okayed. final passage comes 2 1/2 months after sandy pounded the region, wiping out entire communities. the disaster aid package will be considered, again, by the senate following the inauguration. some 8,000 bus drivers and matrons are striking in new york city right now. here's new video of them chanting and holding signs earlier this morning. more than 150,000 new york city school kids had to find another way to school today because of this strike. at issue, job security. the city's put private bus company contracts up for bid looking to cut costs. and the union says bus drivers could suddenly be out of work when their contract expires next june. japan's two biggest airlines have grounded their entire
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fleets of boeing 787 dream liners. this after an a.n.a. dreamliner was forced to make an emergency landing when the crew smelled something burning in the cabin. the plane landed safely and no one was hurt, but it's the latest in a series of faults and safety concerns with the dreamliners in the past week or so. he's a red head that enjoys trips to vegas. prince harry has been named the most eligible bachelor in the entire world by "town & country" magazine. he beat out famous faces like george clooney and tim tebow. "town & country" said he's the naughty royal, that goes out with rough women and hangs out with the fast crowd and downs too many drinks and goes home at the wrong moment. that's why we all like him best. >> you know, he's the right -- >> who ever uses the phrase rough women? what are we in our great grandmother's era? >> it's "town & country."
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>> what exactly, john berman, a rough woman? >> i'd love to hear it. >> when i start writing for "town & country" which could be quite soon the way it's going, i'll let you know what it means. >> are those the pictures we saw in las vegas? he can play two different roles. >> he's a prince. he's a prince. >> there's a difference. >> i think he deserves it. he's entertaining. >> and he's single which puts him right at the top of the list for the royals. ahead on "starting point," lance armstrong, apparently he admitted to oprah he was doping and it's unclear the extent he'll tell her in the interviews that will air tomorrow and the next day, so what will the impact be on the sport of cycling, we'll talk to a champion cyclist that use to be a teammate of armstrong's?
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which oprah said that, you know, he confessed, the degree to which he confessed is unclear, of course, until it airs, but he confessed to using performance enhancing drugs. >> i would say that he did not come clean in the manner that i expected. it was surprising to me. i would say that for myself, my team, all of us in the room, we were mesmerized and riveted by some of his answers. i feel that he answered the questions in a way that he was ready. i didn't get all the questions asked, but i think the most important questions and the answers that people around the world had been waiting to hear were answered. >> every time she talks about what to expect i cannot wait to watch this interview on thursday and friday on own. paul willerton is a former professional cyclist and a former teammate as well of lance armstrong, he joins us now. he's in bend, oregon.
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what's your reaction to this word of the confession, we don't know exactly what he said or how he said it or the details yet. >> it doesn't come as much of a surprise, soledad. the big question at this point is really what he's willing to divulge beyond this. and -- >> what do you mean by that? what would you like to hear as someone in the sport, what would be interesting to you about what he could divulge? >> well, he's cornered in the sense that he wants to maintain control, and he knows that he holds the keys to the people around him that were complicit in what he did, and that's really the most valuable thing that he has to offer at this point. >> some of them are his friends. >> and that would go a long -- that would go a long ways toward getting to the bottom of how all this happened.
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>> so, some of those people -- figures saying he'd have to make a confession that explains kind of how it all worked and the roles of various people who are point people in the cycling sports organization. people said that his reputation is brutal, that he -- not just a fierce competitor, he's a very tough, difficult person, you know, there was -- hamilton, tyler hamilton, when he did an appearance on "60 minutes," he said after that appearance he ran in to lance armstrong and lance armstrong said this to him, i'm going to make your life a living hell, both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom. that's what lance armstrong is said to have said to tyler hamilton after he talked about doping on "60 minutes." tell me a little bit about what kind of a person lance armstrong is and how that plays into this doping scandal. >> yeah, those types of threats were really ruled over the sport for so long, and i think that
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that's really the beauty of the story at this point is that really truth -- that truth has prevailed in the end, that we had lance armstrong versus cancer, we had lance armstrong versus everyone in the tour de france, but lance armstrong versus the truth, that is -- that's one that he really couldn't win in the end, and we lost a lot of faith over the years. this is 15 years old for all of us that have known the truth all along. and we really began to wonder if this day would ever come. >> well, i wondered when you talk about lance armstrong, you also talk about lance armstrong versus himself, and i wonder, he has this reputation, can he build himself back up, or has he threatened and intimidated so many people here that there's really no road to redemption for him? >> well, part of what i think is
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going to happen on oprah, i don't think that we're going to get a lance armstrong who is -- there's not going to be sobbing. he is going to try to justify much of what he did. i don't know what a partial confession is, but that's -- that's something that we'll just have to see here. but the nice thing about what is happening is that we can -- this is really the beginning in a sense, that now the story can start to accelerate, and for the people who are willing to still tolerate the story and lance armstrong -- >> this is abby huntsman here. do you think the american people can forgive him, there's any way we'll finally forgive him and understand? >> oh, i'm sure that -- i'm sure that some people will forgive him.
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and there's some things that are really hard to forgive and unforgivable. and, you know, when you sue people that you know are telling the truth, that is -- that is really difficult to forgive. >> paul willerton is a former professional cyclist and national champion and a former teammate of lance armstrong's as well. thanks for talking with us this morning, paul, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you bet. >> that will be interesting to dig into what happens with this confession. fascinating to watch this tomorrow and on friday. still ahead this morning on "starting point," division i schools spend more on student athletes than other students. in fact, a lot more. is it a big deal, or does it have a payoff ultimately? we'll talk about that straight ahead.
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division i sports according to a new study, top-tier schools spend as much as six times more on an athlete than they spend to educate other students. schools in six of the top football conferences in the country spent more than $100,000 per student athlete in 2010. now, part of me says that's appalling, right? shouldn't that money be going to the university? on the other hand, you know, those sports teams are really the draws to bring in the money that funds the university and keeps the engine go. >> it's the culture. it's the culture of these schools and that's where they get most of their money. but you have to remember, why were universities invented? to learn. we can't forget that. to being competitive in the 21st century, we need the students to get an education. >> that's the problem with me, allowing young black and brown students play football on saturdays and not let them in the classroom on mondays. >> what do you mean not letting them? >> we're seeing a decrease in students black and latino going
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into public universities and an increase in sports. ucla, my alma mater we had 95 students in 2008 freshmen, 95 black students, 2008, 75 of which were scholarship athletes. 75. 25 students in the class of 5,000 freshmen were black. that's it. so, i think that we need to have an emphasis on recruiting black students and latino students like athletes. >> isn't there an argument that says, yes, if we can invest money into the student athletes we're helping, we're helping all the students, right? because strong teams bring in strong donors, and strong donors not only build the football field, they xrcontribute to the library, et cetera. >> are they athletes or they students masquerading as athletes? can they take the experiences out to the real world when they don't make the sports. maryland has jumping from the atlantic coast conference to the big ten which they have nothing in common with for a couple more bucks a year.
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and that's because this is big business and they need to be able to, you know, make sure that those students pay the bills and are they students first or are they revenue generators. >> what about the culture, i took class with some of the football players where they probably failed the test, but let's give them a "c" or a "b" and let them get by because they do give us this money and, you know -- >> and they want to push -- >> our alma mater which is not in the big ten i understand that -- >> and we didn't make it there. >> and that's an interesting question not just on the facility but focusing on the student, what's the goal at the end of the day? that's why it's our "tough call." you are strangely silent, mr. sports man over there. >> it's an interesting discussion, but it doesn't happen in a vacuum, the $100,000 per student wouldn't go to students if it weren't going to athletes. it's only there because of the sports teams. >> interesting, mr. berman. still ahead on "starting point," a 5-year-old girl was found safe after someone who pretended to be her mother
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welcome back, everybody, a look at the day's top stories. >> a woman whose husband was killed in the colorado movie massacre has filed a lawsuit against the psychiatrist that treated accused gunman james holmes. the suit claims that the psychiatrist knew that holmes was dangerous and should have alerted authorities. mark sanford's ben at a political comeback begins today. he's going to announce he'll run for congress. you may recall his political career imploded in 2009 after he disappeared and later admitted it was because he was having an affair with a woman in argentina. sanford's ex-wife announced she'll not run against him in the primary. >> that would be so interesting. >> so, security is in place ahead of president obama's
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inauguration next week and's you can imagine, it is beyond tight. the head of washington's fbi field office says 42 agencies will work together from the multiagency communication center in washington. the fbi says there are no credible corroborated threats to the event. and the reverend luis layione of st. john's episcopal church steps away from the white house has been invited to deliver the closing prayer and, of course, we'll be in washington to bring you all of the history here. president obama's inauguration, we'll have soledad, zoraida, and i'm the one in the middle that will begin at 5:00 a.m. eastern time monday. >> i wasn't sure. a federal grand jury investigating a police beating in henderson, nevada, a dash cam video shows the highway patrol officer pointing a gun at a drunk driver. and it turns out the driver wasn't drunk. he was in a diabetic shock. he won nearly $300,000 in a
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settlement from the city of henderson. an update on a story we reported yesterday, a new mobile game app that the nra calls practice range, apple has changed the age restriction on the game from 4 and up to 12 and up. apple determines ratings for apps, not developers and was under pressure to change it. the nra has been heavily criticized for this app releasing it just one month after the school massacre in newtown, connecticut. and this is a real rags to riches story. what started as a craving for corn dogs turned into a multimillion dollar miracle for an oregon family. riley dunn and his wife misty had been laid off from their jobs and on unemployment when a stop at a local mini mart changed everything. dunn bought a quick pick ticket and won a million bucks. >> she looks at the ticket. she says, you better not be kidding me. >> it was a shock. i didn't know what to say or do. i just kept saying, no, it can't
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be real because i didn't believe it would happen to us. >> nice to hear. since the win the family has a new car. they also plan to purchase their very first home. >> i love stories like that, you know, a family that really needs the money that could really just use a break. a bunch of kids. >> what would you buy with $1 million? >> here in new york city, nothing, you would not buy a thing. you would get nothing. no, no, no, you would not. that's so great for them. that's so great. i want to talk this morning about a story we were talking about yesterday. this little girl 5 years old from philadelphia, she's now safely home with her family. a woman had walked in to her kindergarten class, pretended to be her mom, and abducted the girl, took her out. it was all captured on this chilling videotape. you can see nobody tries to stop the woman who signed in to the main office, scrawled her name. didn't have to show any i.d. and you'll see she's wearing a burqa so no one can identify her very clearly. 24 hours later.
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a sanitation worker found the little girl 5 years old. she was hiding under a playground slide because she was wearing only a t-shirt and she was saying help, help. listen. >> when i got closer to it, it just -- it kind of sounded so clear to me as help, help. and when i heard that, that's what made me look towards the playground. i'm just glad that i was there at the right time because i just wish that, you know, somebody would do that for my child if my child was in that situation. >> oh, my goodness. marc klaas is the founder of klaas kids foundation back in 1993, his 12-year-old daughter polly klaas was kidnapped from her home, they found her body two months later. the man convicted of killing polly is on death row, it's a story i reported in san francisco so i've known marc klaas a long time. sometimes i hear these stories. the newest one, a little girl 5 years old, it seems like every rule was broken in school
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policy. no, the woman didn't have to show i.d. when she went to the main office, she just was able to get her daughter 45 minutes after classes started and walk out. it made no sense on so many levels. i guess after all the news about all the abductions that we have covered over all these years, how -- how can we protect kids from this exact thing? it's horrific. >> well, soledad, you're absolutely correct about the breakdown in policy. she was supposed to go to the principal's office. she was supposed to show i.d. they were supposed to physically i.d. her. and then escort the child to the office so that the principal could make sure everything was copacetic before they left. that entire thing broke down. i think that the secretary, whoever allowed her to do that, and the teacher both need to face disciplinary action. we have to have these policies in place, and we have to follow these policies. as you say, particularly in lieu of the horrible tragedies that
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we've seen recently, these terrible crimes against children. >> you have said that there's a lot of technology that actually could be used to protect kids. i was hoping you could walk us through some of the things you think could be most effective. >> well, sure, yeah. we have recently actually put out a smartphone app called polly's guardian angel that is a parent-activated alert. once the parents realize the child is missing, they can hit an alert and immediately everybody else that holds the app within a 15-mile radius will be notified. secondly, cops, you're prompted to call the police within ten minutes, and then thirdly within 30 minutes you're put into contact with our polly center where we have trained operatives ready to help. i think another solution to this problem would be something like the leo watch, the leo wristwatch, which is a gps-activated for a gps watch that has a titanium band on it
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that can't be removed from the child. the thing that makes that different from every other gps activated device that's out there is the fact that it can't be removed from the child, and people can track the child starting immediately following the bread crumbs to exactly where the child is. those are two technology solutions that very well might have assisted in a case like this. >> the girl's grandfather said she's very strong, she's 5 years old and that she's actually doing well and she's a very strong little girl, because my god, what a traumatic and horrific thing. as the investigation goes on. what kind of advice do you give, because i know you're a real point person for parents on this stuff, what advice do you give for this family as they try to navigate their way through the aftermath of this that has actually ended well for them, right? their daughter is alive. she's okay. what do you tell them? >> and we have to give credit to mr. myers, he didn't have to do the right thing. and many people might not have
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done the right thing. >> that's true. that's true. >> what do you tell them, you tell them, you know, that they're very, very fortunate in this circumstance and that they need to use this as a building block for their child. they need to first ensure that she gets all of the counseling that she requires. they have to hold her close. they have to tell her that they will be there to protect her. and then they have to open a dialogue with her, and hopefully it will be a larger dialogue within the community about, number one, school safety, and, number two, how children should react to these kind of situations. of course, the fact that this woman was wearing a burqa and nobody saw her face complicates this even more. >> so, this is abby here. i have a sister around this same age so this story really hits home. you talked about having this dialogue now that she's gone through it, but isn't it important to have a dialogue with your children before something like this takes place so they might know what to do if they're approached by someone they don't recognize? >> oh, absolutely. there's no question about that. there's always age-appropriate kinds of conversations you can
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have with your children and they don't have to be fear-based conversations. it can be very matter of fact. that there are bad people in the world, that we're here to help you, we're here to protect you, that there are certain things you can do without, of course, putting the burden of the issue on the shoulders of the children, but they can take commonsense approaches to protecting themselves and really if we work together as families, as neighborhoods, as communities and certainly in the schools as well i think we can have a much safer community and environment for our kids than we have now. >> marc klaas joining us this morning. marc the father of polly klaas and the founder of the klaas kids foundation. thanks for talking to us. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you so much. >> many people pointed out that it appears in the video the little girl goes so easily with her mother, her mother wears a burqa and so maybe she didn't know it was her mother.
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kids that age will go with an adult. their whole lives are -- their lives -- >> right. >> i picked one of my friend's kids from tae kwon do, and they didn't ask where is mom and dad, where are we going, it's one of the things you have to be so careful that what kind of adults are around and i was amazed that an adult can stroll into a school and out with a child like this. >> children don't ask, okay, because their whole lives are built around, you go to that now, you do this now, i think it's really a terrifying thing that the people didn't say to you, i don't care if he says he knows you, i need your i.d. and i didn't get a phone call from the parents and i always support those people. grill everybody. >> grill everybody. >> ten times, you know? wow, that's such a sad story. still ahead this morning on "starting point," we'll talk about boeing's much-hyped dreamliners. they've now been grounded. is the entire fleet unsafe? and this man says the trum pant took him off the streets
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good morning, welcome back to "starting point." i'm christine romans, "minding your business." u.s. stock futures mostly down this morning on concerns about
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global growth. we just learned last hour that jpmorgan and goldman sachs, their earnings both beat analysts' estimates for the fourth quarter. jamie dimon, there he is, his bonus cut in half, $10 million because of this -- >> poor guy. >> -- because of the so-called london whales trading law so -- >> i hope he'll be okay. >> i think he's going to be just fine. all boeing 787 dreamliners are now grounded after one was forced to make an emergency landing in japan overnight. this is the plane on the runway, we'll show it to you. while in flight two cockpit alarms went off and a burning smell was noticed in the cabin. several people were injured. six incidents since the start of the year with this brand-new aircraft. everything from fuel leaks to battery fires, brake problems. a boeing representative said they were aware of the latest incident. the company is working with a.n.a. boeing shares are down nearly 5% in premarket trading. and we know that american
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regulatory officials actually one is on their way to japan to talk about this -- yeah. >> investors don't like burning smells. >> no. >> neither do fliers. from personal experience. >> it's a complicated, highly engineered, high-tech, you know, future of air travel and it's just been dogged with problems overbudget. >> some of their own making. some behind the strategy of putting it together. >> they put it together by outsourcing big chunks of the outsourcing and production and they put it together at the end and they've had a lot of problems. >> i think they need to start over again. >> you can't recover from this. >> you know, it's interesting because richard quest says it's still a safe airline and this is just working out the kinks, what did he say, the niggles, working out the little problems. >> in midair over the ocean. >> what's the difference between an airplane and -- >> exactly. exactly. exactly. still ahead this morning on "starting point" -- he says music changed his life and it's now the way to empower
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my "end point" this morning i promised swizz beatz but he's running beat and we'll tape an interview with him and we'll run it tomorrow morning.
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in the meanwhile we'll talk about the end point. abby wrap it up. >> i'll talk about guns, guns have always been part of the american society and part of our constitution -- >> are you a gun owner? >> i'm not a gun owner, i'll be honest about that. but i was raised in western utah and guns have been a big part of my family's culture, but there's a balance between making sure people are protected and protecting the second amendment. we're not here saying we're taking away your guns and you're not allowed to own guns but it's about taking the appropriate steps to make sure people are safe. >> almost sounding like a democrat there, miss huntsman. >> almost. >> michael, what do you have for us? >> i think we should certainly have short term fixes on the guns but i believe we long-term solutions and a holistic approach. we can fund amazing programs like i love my life camp, cease-fire program, the gang intervention and prevention programs are doing work in the inner cities.
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where the streets are a battlefield. >> what did you think about the congressman, where he said these are not the conversations that are front and center that the vice president and president have been having over the last few months. >> not to focus on blame but uplifting the young people, 16 young people shot in chicago on friday night, and the kids are living in a battlefield. >> i am guessing they weren't shot by ar-50s and i think people who are gun rights advocates who are saying all of these things that are proposals on the table are really problems that you need something about handguns and aren't we kind of getting into the slippery slope of taking away the guns that you talked about? >> that's why i think hollywood has a role to play and video games, we talked about it earlier, 4-year-olds are learning how to shoot people and it's ingrained in our culture. >> the conversation has to shift, right? oit not just about the guns, it's about the potential shooter. let's not put a fix on the gun, but let's fix the long-term solution.
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we have a war on drugs that has decimated the inner city. let's look at how to fix a 30-year-old problem of inner cities being at war with each other. >> nobody wants to fund that. >> then you get into a discussion on spending and there's no appetite for that in washington at all. it's going to be a very one-sided conversation. >> more dead kids. if we're ready for that, then let's have that conversation. >> but that's going to be i think, michael, you make a great point but i don't hear anybody trying to have that debate in washington. it's a very focused debate on guns and not a holistic approach. >> is that a focused debate on guns because that's a debate that can be won, when we talked to your colleague, ron brownstein, about that, he said you start narrow and small and sort of build on the victories could be one strategy. >> i think it's a political strategy from the president, he wants to say i did something and if he puts out a big spending proposal on childhood education and, you know, and teens and working in the communities, it's


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