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guy who had a gun. and the thief took off with him. but unbelievable, just hit that glass, didn't even see it, and still managed to keep on running. that's it for me. fredricka whitfield takes it from here. fred? >> i think he'll be easy to spot. he'll be the one with the cut up face. >> yeah, really. >> that's a big old oops. thank you, suzanne. this hour in the "cnn newsroom," going after the death penalty. lawyers for the aurora movie shooting suspect offered a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for life. today, prosecutors rejected the offer saying, quote, in this case justice is death. and new figures released for adhd in children show the diagnosis is skyrocketing. we're asking why so many more kids are getting drugs for the condition and what the long term effects are. and do women have a, quote, shelf life?
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>> get your world class education, make your life-long friends. if you can find a life partner, good for you. >> is she right? we put the question to our panel. the "cnn newsroom" starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield in for brooke baldwin. the chief prosecutor in houston is under 24 hour protection. and law enforcement officials across the state of texas are treading with caution today after the second recent murder of one of their own. tough talking prosecutor mike mclelland was found dead sunday morning. mclelland's wife was slain as well. their bodies were found at their home in kaufman county, the same texas county where assistant d.a. mark hasse was shot dead back in january. hasse's murder in broad daylight prompted this challenge to the killers by the now dead
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mclelland. >> i hope that the people that did this are watching because we're very confident that we're going to find you, we're going to pull you out of whatever hole you're in, we're going to bring you back and let the people of kaufman county prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. >> law enforcement officials including the fbi want to know if the killings were linked and whether white supremacists may have been involved here. recent indictments of dozens of members of the texas aryan brotherhood prompted fears of retaliation. cnn's george howell is joining us now from kaufman, texas. what are authorities saying today about these two murder cases and whether there is, indeed, a link? >> reporter: well, fredricka, they're not saying that there is any link at this point. they're very tight lipped about the investigation. but when you talk to people, you talk to public officials here, in kaufman, they say that, you
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know, these are two prosecutors who handled very similar cases and they believe that these hits may have been the result of retaliation, revenge hits. even talked to people on the streets, one person, that i spoke to, said, look, she's lived here for many years, and one and one just seemed to add to two. people believe there is some sort of a connection, but when you talk to investigators, they are not making that indication. >> and, george, we're talking about two prosecutors dead, a third prosecutor now in texas that is under police protection. we talk about that jurisdiction being houston. what about police? what about elected officials as a whole, public servants? are they fearing for their safety? are new precautions being taken as a result of these murders? >> reporter: you get the sense when you see these offers walking about, they are aware, they are concerned, they are paying close attention. and that's really what we're seeing right now. also, public officials, we're finding that many are taking those protections. for instance, mike anderson, in
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harris county, the d.a. there, in houston, texas, he elected to take on security, to take on security 24-hour security to protect him and his family. just a sense of how people feel about the possibility of prosecutors, of public officials being targeted out here. >> all right, george howell, thanks so much, from kaufman county, texas. a major development today in the case against accused aurora, colorado, movie theater shooter james holmes. prosecutors today rejected a proposed guilty plea from the defense and said they will seek the death penalty instead. holmes faces 166 counts of murder and attempted murder in a killing rampage last july in which 12 people died and nearly 60 were wounded. peter burns was close to jessica galley who died in that massacre. you were best friends. did prosecutors consult you at all? do you agree with this decision? >> they did not consult me.
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they did consult her mother and her brother, which i'm very close with and talked to many times. and they did. i think that for the families they feel like they want to be part of the team effort. for me, personally, and even talking to her brother jordan, i'm not the biggest fan of the death penalty. and not necessarily because the death penalty, you know, right or wrong, really, i don't know there is justice that truly serves the punishment that deserves. if there is a death penalty, does it make it harder? i think the families and friends of myself, we want justice, but at the same time, we want closure. do we ever really get closure 17 years down the road? >> and so what are your thoughts knowing that a trial could take a very long time, and if there is indeed an appeal, even that much longer? >> that's the big concern for me is that it continues to be a scab that continues to open up time and time again. this coward did something and took the lives of amazing people, yet for now on we have to take a look at what is that
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justice? is it the trial that is not going to be done for another year and a half because of this? or if there is justice, does it come 15, 20 years down the road? there is no punishment that this kid deserves more so than being in excruciating pain every single day the rest of his life. but sadly that's not the way that we can work in the judicial system right now. so to me, whatever we can do to have this justice quick and to provide closure for friends and family is the most important thing. >> and one of james holmes attorney was successful with an insanity defense. what are your feelings on that or even jessica ghawi's family? >> i mean, at least for me, i want to speak for that side of the family on that, even the brother, i think this is an act. i think this coward that shows up every single day in court with this aloof look in his eyes, that he just spaced out, i can't imagine somebody pulling off something like this to be in that case. i think as soon as he knows he goes into the courtroom, he
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knows exactly what's going on. >> you think it's an act? >> absolutely. without a doubt. from day one i thought that. the first day the coward walked into the courtroom, i knew that he was putting on an act. everyone know he's putting on an act. you can't everyone at that circumstance is insane to a certain extent. whether or not now we have got to take that long to kind of prove it, i think that, you know, there is no punishment right now that can be served that truly gives the justice that he should receive. >> peter burns, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. police in new york say what looked like a kidnapping caught on camera was actually a hoax. investigators say the people involved in this surveillance video, two men chasing someone have now come forward saying it was all part of a birthday party prank. police say there will be no charges against the pranksters. and cnn has learned a key
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ambassadorship may be going to a kennedy. a democratic source says caroline kennedy has been asked to serve as united states ambassador to japan. the source says she is being vetted. back in 2008, her early endorsement of barack obama was a major boon to his first campaign for president. she delivered itwith her uncle ted. check out this new picture of kevin ware, walking. just a day after he broke his leg at a very horrible injury. and it happened on live television. if you didn't see him get hurt, you're actually really lucky. it was one in which to cringe. it is very tough to watch. the reserve guard came down hard on his leg, snapping his shin bone. the bone broke through the skin and actually stuck out for all to see. it was so awful, of course, he screamed in pain, you're not going to see it in graphic detail, you can see the blurred
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image there. but just watching it, louisville coaches and players were reduced to tears. all you had to see was the reaction of those on the bench. everyone around him. ware underwent successful two-hour surgery after that. he is up and about and his team, the cardinals, well, they won the game, earning a spot in this week's final four. next hour, i'll speak to a surgeon about ware's future and when, if ever, he will play again. coming up, 22 homes evacuated after an exxonmobil pipeline burst. . >> it was a threat of fire and air pollution. so they evacuated the neighborhood. you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪
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all along that side there, just black crude oil and smells terrible. >> exxonmobil says they don't yet know the cause of the spill and told cnn, quote, we regret that this incident has occurred and apologize for any disruption and inconvenience that it has caused. federal, state and local authorities are also on the site investigating the cause. chaos and terror inside a san jose walmart on easter sunday. police say a man crashed his red sedan right through the front of the store, and started attacking customers with a blunt object. four people were hurt, one seriously. police don't know what the motive was, but think alcohol or drugs may have been involved. and the first person to get a full face transplant in the u.s. took a huge step this weekend. down the aisle at a texas church. he lost his eyes, nose and lips in a 2008 electrical accident. his bride jamie who was badly
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burned in a car crash says i'm his eyes while he has my heart. and president obama and first family welcomed the celebrity guest to the white house this morning. of course, i was talking about the easter bunny. it was a star of the show as the 135th annual white house easter egg roll kicked off on the south lawn. more than 35,000 people from across the country were at this year's egg roll. among them, families of the school shooting victims in newtown, connecticut. now to the best kind of lost and found story. a missing hiker turns up alive after six days on a snowy oregon mountain. mary owen told our affiliate kegw it was not a good idea when she went hiking on mount hood by herself two sundays ago. she got lost and fell 40 feet injuring her leg and ankle. she says she survived by eating
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seeds and granola bars and burning the wrappers to keep warm. >> i was so worried they wouldn't see me. i was screaming, come back for me, please. >> owens also suffered frostbite. but she says despite the ordeal, she'll get back out into the wilderness soon. maybe next time not alone. coming up, it is known as a playground for the taliban. we're talking about afghanistan. cnn has an exclusive look at u.s. special forces behind enemy lines. ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] nothing gets you going quite like the power of quaker oats. today is going to be epic. quaker up. there's a lot i had to do... watch my diet. stay active. start insulin... today, i learned there's something i don't have to do anymore.
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the u.s. is stepping up its military mite on the korean peninsula. this is seen as a warning to north korea, a country which already declared a state of war. today, north korea's parliament passed a measure to expand its nuclear weapons program. this as kim jong-un says its nukes are a national treasure. one u.s. congressman says an attack on south korea may be the only way for the young leader to
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save face. >> it is not an empty threat. i wouldn't be that concerned about them hitting mainland u.s. now or even u.s. territory. i think the real threat is to what north korea might be boxing itself into. kim jong-un is trying to establish himself, he's trying to be the tough guy, he's 28, 29 years old, and he keeps going further and further out. i don't think he can get himself back in. my concern is he may feel he has to save face or some sort of attack on south korea or some base in the pacific. >> south korea is warning the north that any provocative moves would be met with a strong response. as a war in afghanistan wages on, one crew found themselves caught in the cross fire. in this exclusive report, anna coren gives us a rare glimpse
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into their deadly world and shows us what it is like to be in the middle of a fire fight on taliban turf. >> reporter: as rounds of gunfire ring out in the distance, u.s. special forces run straight into the thick of it. they're the military's elite, and this is what they are trained to do. they don't just fight back, they hunt down the enemy. we come under heavy machine gunfire, less than 400 meters away. and incoming round flies close overhead. [ bleep ] we take cover behind a mud brick wall. >> keep going! >> reporter: with the attack coming from three different directions, special forces spread out across open farm land. >> around the back side. right on the back side.
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>> reporter: their only cover in this valley, low lying ditches and vast undergrowth. >> all right. this is what we're going to do. we're going to keep continuing up this [ bleep ] riverbed until we get to the left side. flank it with us. >> let's roll. >> reporter: for a brief moment they pause. special forces operator targets the enemy firing position with a 40 millimeter grenade launcher. but the fire fight wages on. we got intelligence that there was an ied in this area with a number of associates. we have come to the open field, we're taking fire. we do know there is taliban stronghold about a kilometer from here at the base of these mountains. with enemy fire getting closer, special forces are exposed as they move along the banks of the river. a soldier reloads, preparing for
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another assault. >> move it! >> reporter: we run towards the compound where insurgents staged one of their attacks. >> push down this way, all right? go. >> reporter: they quickly secure the area, not knowing what is behind these walls. >> somebody looking back that way? >> no. >> reporter: movement inside has everyone on high alert. >> somebody just ran across the door. >> yep. >> and back again. >> reporter: soldiers locate the enemy firing point. >> they're taliban, we're getting reports they probably are, then they may not necessarily live in these areas, which means when they go into other people's compounds, they may get some intel related back to us. that's what we're hoping on. >> reporter: apache helicopter gun ships circle the valley, searching for the enemy who made their escape. but they have already vanished, blending back into the community and the landscape.
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>> you know, i admire their resiliency and conviction for sure. there is a degree of mutual respect. but that doesn't mean we want to kill them any less. >> reporter: while america's war may be finishing up soon, these brave soldiers know it is yet to be won. anna coren, cnn, eastern afghanistan. >> dangerous close calls there. adhd, a new research indicates nearly one in five high school boys has it. why more kids are being diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
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in china, two men are dead after being infected with a strain of bird flu. never before seen in humans, it is called the h7n9 strain and now china's national health commission is reporting a third person, a woman, has also been infected. she's in critical condition. while each live in and around
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shanghai, the world health organization says there is no sign they actually contracted the disease from each other. adhd could be an even bigger problem than doctors and parents actually think it is. analyzing data from the centers for disease control, the new york times found nearly 20% of high school aged boys and 11% of school kids overall have gotten the medical diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. so is adhd on the rise or are doctors getting better at recognizing it? for some insight, i'll turn to dr. william graph, a professor of pediatrics at yale school of medicine. good to see you. so what is your reaction when you hear these numbers, nearly one out of five high school boys with adhd? >> well, fed reredricka, they'r pretty impressive numbers. i think the rates are real. but they may be artificial at the same time. they're rising in a rate of
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doubling or tripling and the question we should be asking is not whether adhd say problem for some people, but rather why are the rates rising so rapidly. >> what is the explanation as to the definition of adhd? are you so certain that the symptoms or the characteristics that are being, i guess, measured in young kids are the accurately being defined as that of adhd? >> okay, so adhd is a very complicated disorder. it is a combination of three major symptoms or signs. and it is an interpretation of what those signs really are by parents, teachers, and physicians. so those three signs are hyperactivity, inattentiveness and impulsivity. kids can have any combination of those three and parents can interpret those symptoms differently. this probably also a mild, moderate and severe form of this, so part of the rise could be that milder cases are either being picked up or being diagnosed more rapidly.
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>> so when do you know any of these things are actually problems or are things that need to be treated as symptomatic of adhd? >> that's exactly right. this is the most important aspect of this diagnosis is that it actually interferes with your ability to perform neurologically. for children that means getting through their day. we call it a medicine functional impairme impairment, a neurological disorder. i think many kids have traits of adhd, can be distractible, agitated at times but that doesn't necessarily make the diagnosis. one question is whether milder cases are contributing to these increased rises in diagnostic rates. >> is there a rise in cases? or is it that the are more diagnoses taking place? >> there are more diagnoses being made. and then the question is, what accounts for it? are kids changing?
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is it lack of sleep or inattentiveness or too much computer time or not enough exercise, what is the cause there? are we recognizing it better? are they just milder cases? and i think most people agree that some proportion of the rate and rise is due to something called pediatric neuroenhancement, the drugs are being prescribed for the purposes of study drugs, and since that's not exactly legal, we don't have good data on that because people won't own up to how many prescriptions are actually being written for school purposes. >> so how concerned are you about medication? long-term medication? i guess effects or prescriptions? >> i think we're very concerned about it. especially in kids who don't have the disorder. if kids are mild and can get by with behavioral or educational type matters to manage it or kids that are healthy and are taking it for study drugs, we know there are some cardiovascular potential side
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effects, potential nervous sim potential side effects and changes we don't know that much about in the long-term, how this would change your mood, your ability to think, your feelings, things like that. there is not much research on how these drugs, especially the amphetamines change your personality. >> do you worry that too many kids are being medicated and they need not be? >> i think the numbers show there is a very good possibility there is overdiagnosis and overtreatment going on. and i think the question we have to ask ourselves, we have to have this larger discussion as a society is why is this happening? >> dr. william graph, thank you so much. >> thanks. new advice for college women. land a man before you graduate? why? >> women who graduate and then spend the next ten years of their lives focused on nothing but career find themselves in their early 30s with nothing but career. >> oh, yes. she went there. but is this really the best
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advice for college female students? and 27% of americans between the ages of 18 and 39 consider themselves not religious. but guess what the top rated show on television? the bible series. it received more viewers than "american idol." how do you explain that? humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world.
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we're taking on the hot stories trending today. twitter is going crazy. let's start with this. >> lady, i believe your son is the promised king of his people. what is his name? >> jesus. >> were you hooked last night? if you were, you were not alone. the big network, they're kicking themselves today after passing up on this five-part miniseries,
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the bible. last night, millions of people watched the last episode which included the crucifixion scene, which i warn you, is graphic. the show's first episode broke television ratings records, snagging 13 million viewers, surprisingly most of those viewers were in the 18 to 49 age bracket. i say that because a recent poll found this generation is responsible for the growth of the knowns. that's americans who say they don't identify with any religion. according to pew, one-third of americans under 30 have now said they no religious affiliation. that's 32%. a sharp increase even in just the past five years. when in 2008, just 24% of those in that same age group declared themselves nonreligious. all right, so let's talk about this. hal sparks, good to see you. steve helling, staff writer at people magazine, good to see you as well. dana johnson, new york
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correspondent at coco fab. and donna brazile, cnn political contributor, good to see you as well. okay, steve, you first. are you hooked? have you been watching "the bible"? >> well, you know, i read the book that the bible was based on and it was pretty interesting. that's the thing. the bible is full of all sorts of intrigue, full of sex, full of violence, full of the stories of redemption and i understand why people are interested in watching it, especially people who weren't exposed to itup. >> donna, how do you explain this fascination. it seems kind of new found. >> i don't think it is. look, i think young people like many other americans hunger for something that is different, that is authentic. this was a great and compelling series. i was somewhat startled that -- i sat there and couldn't turn it off. i was glued to it. i read the bible many times, th this was a great series. >> you feel like it was an accurate depiction? >> i think so.
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i'm old school catholic. there were some things i wouldn't tinker with. but clearly it was graphic, it was profound, and i'm glad that they did it. i'm actually going to get the dvd when it comes out. >> i'm sure they're happy to hear that. what does this say about the audience appetite these days? particularly since, you know, it is talking about the bible, and it is very graphic in the way in which it does that. >> well, i don't think you can lose a series on easter that has a guaranteed built in audience. the bible did very well this weekend, but did not tap the hatfield and mccoy mini series special they did last year, and that didn't have a weekend advertising campaign in the form of church every week, that the bible technically had. if you look at it from a marketing and television standpoint. the reality is is that the number is declining and in many ways people will watch something like this rather than read the book. the same way most people saw the
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twilight movies didn't read the books or saw the lord of the rings, didn't read the books. the important thing is the breadth of the ratings is not indicative of the breadth of the religious belief any more than if it had low ratings it would deride the faith of the people involved. it is simply a depiction of that that did reasonably well. it really did. >> so, dana, there is another issue here. are television networks out of touch with its audience given that the net said, they passed on this. can they be learning from cable? >> i definitely think they can. and it is a society where everything is about reality tvgs, flipping tables, cursing each other out, it is great to see everyone get back to fundamentals and the television series may encourage some to go back to the book. i definitely think you're learning the fundamentals all over again and very well executed and very well done. >> donna what about the graphic nature? does it make you cringe -- i guess not because you said you're going to get the box set.
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but what does it say about the television audience and the tolerance, what people are willing to digest and view and what they're willing to dismiss for the sake of a good story? >> yeah, you know what, imagine, you know, being an early christian and some of the trials and tribulations of the apostle paul that we saw, the crucifixion of christ that we saw last night. i would much rather read the book than get the book thrown at me. of course when i was a girl, i got it thrown at me a bit. but it is a fascinating story. the bible reads like the daily news. i don't think people should take offense at some of the graphic nature of some of the scenes. >> there is some fairly reality show-esque chapters in the bible, especially in the old testament stuff. i think the one issue you'll have with doing a miniseries about it is you'll hit the point storiwise that do resonate with a lot of people they want to see again. but that leave out in some cases areas of death and parts of contradiction. that's the nature of putting
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something like the bible on television. they have been -- charlton heston backed this pony a long time ago and knew it was a guaranteed way to attach a certain audience. look at the passion of the christ. there is an element where you're going to guarantee that people are seeing it. but is that indicative of the depth of the story that they're being taught? >> that was a lot more sanitized than what we're seeing, the graphic nature that is unfolding. >> so are westerns at the time. you know, westerns didn't show what the unforgiven would show. i think the audiences now, it is almost -- it speaks to what we like to see on film more so than the importance of showing the suffering of christ. that's the disturbing part for me. >> so, steve, the bible's creator, mark burnett, very familiar name, responsible for reality shows, you know -- >> did mark burnett create the bible? >> the show. >> my bad. >> his version. he was able to sell this idea. how did he do that? is it -- his track record, anything he touches, you know, seems to turn to gold.
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>> well, does he have the track record and also he felt that it was really important, he says that, you know, schoolchildren learn about shakespeare, but they don't learn about the bible. and the bible is, you know, a foundation for a lot of the things that we do. our laws and so forth, you know. this is a christian nation. and so therefore, you know, we don't -- >> not so much. >> we don't know -- >> well, listen, hal, what i'm saying is if you know what the bible says, then you know a little bit more about the foundations of this country and that is what mark burnett was trying to -- >> eight out of ten -- eight out of the ten commandments are unconstitutional or graded on a scale that the bible doesn't allow. the very first -- >> some people have no religion at all. >> and so, you know, donna, do
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you see how potentially influential this might be, that perhaps, you know, television programming might be modified or some things that might be influenced on the horizon as a result of the success of the show? >> i hope so. but, you know, you know this business better than i do. i think we just go for things that will attract people and then we look for the next best thing. but i do believe that it was well done, and some of the consultants made it possible for this to be seen in a -- for a wide variety of reasons, because it really came at a time when i think people were looking to see what else there is in life. it was a great series. >> timing is everything. we're not done with you guys. the bible is not the only cable show with a lot of viewers. the walking dead also huge success last night, bringing in 12.4 million viewers. ne next hour, we'll look at why cable shows are getting more viewers than some of the network shows, especially when they put stuff like this on the air.
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all right, up next for our panel, do women have a, quote, shelf life? a letter published in a college newspaper suggests women find a husband on campus to beat the clock, the biological clock. >> get your world class education, make your life long friends and if you can find a life partner, good for you. >> what, is she right? we put the question to our panel next. 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge!
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all right, the women of princeton, they're smart, young, and they have a, quote, shelf life? or a limited time to have a family? that from the mother of a current princeton man who was explaining in this letter to the editor in the school newspaper, in her advice for the young women of princeton, su susan pa writes. here is what nobody is telling you. find a husband on campus before you graduate. yes, i went there. she goes on to say, you will never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who are worthy of you. so a career woman and a princeton 1977 class president, further explained her advice is only to princeton undergrads who want a traditional family. listen. >> what i'm suggesting, though, is women who graduate and then spend the next ten years of their lives focused on nothing but career find themselves in their early 30s with nothing but career. and for women who, in fact, want
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to be married and want to have children, to be in your early 30s and have a great job and nothing else, it now becomes panic time for them. >> ladies, i got to ask you first. donna, you know what is your interpretation of what susan patton is saying? >> first of all, i think her advice is a little old school. i know it is narrowly tailored to those who are primarily at princeton, maybe other ivy league schools. i teach at georgetown, been there for over a decade. i would never tell my young female students that they better hurry up and find a husband and have babies and get their tickets in so they can go out and be whatever. i think this is an opportunity for women when they're in college to explore the possibilities of who they are, what they want to do with their lives and pursue their dreams. i bet if that comes with finding a partner, fine. i also believe that this whole notion of our biological clock somehow running out before we turn 35, you know, it is not the
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age of the woman's age, it is the age of the eggs. we have over a million when we're born. and often women are able, capable of having children at a much later time in life. i'm no doctor. fredricka, you just had -- >> guilty. >> guilty. but -- >> is this -- this is kind of the antithesis of the message that young women have been receiving. but then susan patton says that's exactly what i mean. you know, it is a realization. what is your take on what she's saying? >> well, i have a lot to say about what she's saying. one thing i want to point out, she was quoted as saying, you focus on nothing but career. and i think as with everything, it is about balance. you need to find a balance between career and life. when you speak to young women ages 18, 21, 22 and undergraduate years, you're trying to figure out who you are. you may have changed majors two or three times. to say you need to find a life partner is quite a bit. both of my college sweethearts, both of them, i couldn't imagine
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myself now married to them beuse life happens, experiences happen. and what you want changes. i think it is quite a bit of pressure. i think you should be preaching a measure of finding balance between career and personal life and that you can have it all. >> in fact, you know, earlier, i'll get to you gentlemen in a second there was a princeton grad on our air earlier, and this is what she -- we don't have that, sorry. she was saying she wasn't necessarily in agreement with what susan patton had to say. steve let me ask you. what advice would you be giving your daughter? would you be giving her the same kind of advice as susan patton is giving to princeton ladys? >> i would tell my daughter to do what my daughter wants to do. i wouldn't be making a blanket statement saying, hey, you need to be married by this point and got to start looking for a man now or anything like that. and it is worth noting that her son is actually a current princeton student. so perhaps she's actually just helping him find a date. >> one is a grad and one is a current student. hal, how do you see it?
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>> first of all, i'm offended on behalf of -- i work my best to be my girlfriend's intellectual equal and i'm always ice skating uphill. but i am offended on behalf of all men, especially her son and her husband, who apparently was not a princeton guy, and she's basically saying, get one while you're at princeton, because the one i ended up with -- amazing to me. she's telling her son, basically, in the paper of your son's school, you wrote a letter about how she wishes she had a better dad for you. what is that? that's amazing. i cannot go to princeton. >> all about honesty. >> it is now. right. >> okay, well, you know what, so, folks, sorry we have to cut this short. we have some breaking news. thanks so much, hal sparks, steve helling, donna brazile, appreciate it.
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on to a very serious matter now. cnn learned the u.s. navy is moving at least one warship closer to the north korean coastline and more actually may be on the way. these deployments are aimed at monitoring north korean military moves. in particular, upcoming missile launches by the u.s., believes that may be happening in the coming weeks. that's the u.s. belief, that missile launches could be coming from north korean peninsula in coming weeks. we'll have more details on this at the top of the hour as we get it. #%tia[
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all right, it is the news millions of homeowners have been waiting to hear. the housing crash is over and prices are on the rebound. all this week we'll be looking at the nation's housing comeback. cnn's sarah gannon begins our look in this once sizzling market of south florida. >> reporter: ft. myers is hot. not because of that florida sun. it is the real estate market. after years of economic misery, one of the hardest hit areas in the country is bouncing back. listen to this real estate investor. >> years ago, i'm talking about 2009, 2010, 102011, to get peop into the community and show life, we played music, we made
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sure there were people present, we don't have to do that anymore. >> reporter: the last time we were at this 200 unit high rise condo complex called the oasis, it was 2009. the building was a ghost town. the pool, unused. in 2009 there was one family living here. now they have plenty of neighbors. the building is almost at capacity and that's a reflection of the real estate market across south florida. >> love it. >> reporter: terry moved in two years ago. do you like that you have neighbors now? >> absolutely. you know, the more people, the merrier. it is a blast now. >> reporter: a report by metro studies says new construction in the ft. myers area was up more than 50% in the last quarter of 2012. compared to the year before. a standard & poor's study says across america, home values are rising at the fastest pace since the market slump began. but prices are still affordable.
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that's attracting buyers. but anyone who bought before the slump got burned. >> you could buy that today for half of what he paid for it in 2009. >> reporter: along this beautiful ft. myers riverfront three years ago, there were 1500 condos for sale. today, only 150. >> thanks so much, sarah gannon. cnn learned the u.s. navy is moving in at least one warship closer to the north korean coastline. we'll have more information on this, live report at the top of the hour as well. at if the next, isn't a thing at all? it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here.
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this hour in the "cnn newsroom," kevin ware walking in the hospital. he's the louisville basketball player who broke his leg during game time. we're talking to a physical therapist to see what ware's rehab will look like. plus, caroline kennedy asked to take a role with the obama administration. what job she may accept. and a green meteorite? think you heard the story before? well, guess what? this one could be first ever from mercury. the "cnn newsroom" starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield in for brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news from the korean peninsula where tension twes between the north south have been steadily on the rise and now the u.s. is stepping up its military might. cnn learned the u.s. navy is
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moving at least one warship closer to the north korean coastline. and other warships may be on the way. this comes just a day after the u.s. sent in two stealth bombers to take part in war games with south korea. cnn's barbara starr is live from the pentagon now. what are we learning about this latest military maneuver and why now? >> well, fredricka, let's regroup a little bit. what we do know is that the u.s. navy is sending one warship and a radar off the coast of north korea. it will stay, all of it, in international waters, ready to monitor any north korean military moves, any north korean ballistic missile launches. this comes one day after we also have learned that two stealth fighters, f-22 fighters, have landed in south korea. part of this very visible buildup by the united states, why are they doing it? they're sending a message to north korea that they are ready, if there is a north korean
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provocation. but is there one? listen to what the white house had to say just a little while ago. >> i would note that despite the harsh rhetoric we're hearing from pyongyang we are not seeing changes to the north korean military posture, such as large scale mobilizations and positioning of forces. >> so everybody on both sides, you know, just ratcheting up the rhetoric, what is really go on here. what u.s. officials tell us is, you know, they are trying to be ready, if there is a north korean provocation. they're trying to be ready, demonstrate to south korea, japan, the allies in the region, that the u.s., the obama administration will stand by them, and will be ready to act if something were to happen. they say you just can't really anticipate over the long haul what the north koreans may be up to. fred? >> so barbara, reemphasis, this is a just in case, not necessarily u.s. offensive military action. >> oh, that's absolutely right. you know, the problem is you
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don't know how the north koreans may view it. but at this time, this is really the u.s. side of the rhetoric and the maneuvering and the messaging. put things into place, show everybody you're ready to go if it comes to that. >> all right, flexing the muscle so to speak. all right, barbara starr, appreciate that from the pentagon. all right, other matters, the chief prosecutor in houston, texas, is under 24-hour protection and law enforcement officials across the state of texas are now treading with caution today after the second recent murder of one of their own. tough talking prosecutor mike mclelland was found dead sunday morning. mclelland's wife was also slain. their bodies were found at their home in kaufman county. it is the same texas county where assistant d.a. mark hasse was shot dead in january. hasse's murder in broad daylight prompted this challenge to the killers by the now dead mclelland.
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>> i hope that the people that did this are watching because we're very confident that we're going to find you, we're going to pull you out of whatever hole you're in, and we're going to bring you back and let the people of kaufman county prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. >> law enforcement officials including the fbi want to know if the killings were linked and whether white supremacists may have been involved. kaufman county officials aided in the indictment last fall of 34 members of the texas aryan brotherhood. in december, the texas department of public safety issued a warning that white supremacists might retaliate. mark hasse was killed in january and now mike mclelland. cnn's george howell is joining us now from kaufman, texas. what are authorities saying about these cases being linked and whether there is any correlation with the whole aryan group?
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>> reporter: well, fredricka, they're not making any indications as to whether these murders are connected to the aryan brotherhood of texas. and they're also not connecting these two different murders. but ywhen you talk to people hee in this county you get the sense that people believe that it is somehow linked, that it is somehow connected. in fact, public officials that i spoke with, we spoke with, rather, they say that, you know, these are two prosecutors who worked together very closely on similar cases and that these hits, they may be retribution, they may be revenge hits and even people on streets i've spoken with say it seems that one and one adds to two. because this sort of thing doesn't happen here. so people are very curious and quite frankly, fredricka, nervous, fearful until they get some answers in this case. >> and, so, george, courthouse, was it open today? and if it was, what was security detail like? what was the feeling of people who had to report to work there
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today? >> reporter: right. well, let's talk about law enforcement. first of all, i spoke with irwin balarte with the texas police association who describes the mood of law enforcement. we're talking about the loss of two prosecutors over the span of two months and for the law enforcement community, it is the loss of family. so, you know, it is a sad, it is a difficult situation to deal with, but you find that law enforcement officers, they are aware. they are, you know, paying very close attention to their surroundings. at the courthouse, it is open. there is extra security there. as you mentioned, we even see a district attorney, one in harris county, in houston, texas, a few hundred miles south of us, he has taken extra precautions. he's elected to take on extra security 24-hour security to protect him and his family. you get a sense of what people are doing given what happened here in kaufman. >> all right, george howell, thanks so much for that update. joining us now from montgomery, alabama, heidi birik, director of the southern
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poverty law center intelligence project. back in october, when the justice department indicted 34 members of the texas aryan brotherhood, officials called it at the time a devastating blow to the group. so now speculation that there could potentially be a link and that these also could be retaliatory killings. would you want to connect the dots here? >> well, i mean, at this point in time we don't have any evidence linking the two murders or even anything definitive to say the aryan brotherhood in texas was involved in any of them. that said, the texas department of safety had already warned prosecutor and law enforcement officials after those indictments in november that they should be concerned about violence coming from this group and this group is extremely violent. so it is always, you know, it is very possible that's the case. >> and do you know whether any of the 34 people who were indicted last fall remain at large? >> i think most of the folks that were involved were rounded up or were already in prison.
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that's not to say, you know, these prison gangs, they work from the inside and from the outside, and this particular outfit, the aryan brotherhood of texas is probably the most violent one in the nation. it is not as though their reach can't extend from outside of prison, because it can. >> what do you know about this group, this texas aryan brotherhood as a whole? even though officials are not necessarily making the links, but the names, the group has been brought up in terms of areas of this investigation. what more can you tell us about them? >> well, what we do know about the group is it has been around since the 1980s. it is a stand alone organization, not connected to the larger aryan brotherhood. they have about 2600 members in the state of texas and some in federal prison. and we know they make a ton of money off of basically drug running. and that's what this is really about, it is a business, also fueled by white supremacist beliefs. >> all right. heidi, thanks so much. and george howell also, reporting there out of texas.
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appreciate that. all right, in another state, prosecutors today rejected a proposed guilty plea from suspected mass killer james holmes. holmes faces 166 counts for gunning down 70 people last july in a colorado movie theater. 12 of those people died. defense attorneys last week offered a deal in which holmes would plead guilty and spend the rest of his life in prison. in rejecting the deal, the district attorney said, quote, in this case, justice is death. holmes' attorney planned to use some form of an insanity defense. i spoke about that with a friend of jessica ghawi, who died in that rampage. >> i think this is an act. i think this coward that shows up every single day in court with this aloof look in his eyes that he just spaced out, i can't imagine somebody pulling off something like this to be in that case. i think as soon as he knows he goes into the courtroom, he knows exactly what's going on. >> you think he's putting on an
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act? >> absolutely. without a doubt. from day one i thought that was -- first day that coward walked into the courtroom, i knew that he was putting on an act. everyone knows he's putting on an act. >> jim spelman was in the courtroom this morning. so, jim, you know, why did the prosecutors reject this guilty plea? >> reporter: what happened exact to be precise is the prosecutor said we don't have enough information to accept this plea. but, of course, when they made that offer, they didn't know whether the prosecutor was going to go for the death penalty or not. i want to set the scene for you. very dramatic. the district attorney walked up to the podium, on one half of the courtroom, family members. on the other side, the journalists and amongst us james holmes' parents. the d.a. says he's personally spoken with 60 of the victims and he had told nobody of his decision, not even the attorneys on his team, and that's when he said in this case, justice is death. he then went on to do a number of procedural things, set the
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court date for the trial for next february. you can just see the shock on our side, where james holmes' parents were, the father puts his arm around the mother, she was quietly sobbing. on the other hand, sort of mixed emotions from the families. later we caught up with them. listen to one of the friends of somebody who was killed in the theater. listen. sorry. they came out and spoke with us, fredricka, and some people said, they said, look, sign me up, i'll be the first one to watch the execution. other people including a man named marcus weaver, himself shot in the shoulder, allegedly by james holmes, said they're still willing to take this deal if the prosecution will go for it, but very frustrated that at this point james holmes is not just owning up to what they say he did. >> incredible. thanks so much, jim spelman, for that update. still ahead, you've seen the horrific injury in the louisville game. heart breaking moment that played out in front of millions on television.
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louisville's kevin ware coming down hard on his leg, snapping his shin bone. >> he's dislocated some portion of his leg there, jim. >> this team is in tears. >> it was painful to watch. we have the latest on his condition today and his road to recovery. plus, new information on the man accused of plowing into a walmart, injuring, then attacking customers. police weigh in on what may have caused this very bizarre attack. h as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to your eyes, from the eye care experts at bausch + lomb. as you age, eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. now that's a pill worth taking. [ male announcer ] ocuvite. help protect your eye health.
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we just lurn learned a woma a victim in brazil. police say they have arrested two men and are looking for a third after a horrifying attack involving tourists. police say the men boarded a mini bus in rio de janeiro and ordered everyone off except for a male and female tourist. rio will host matches in next year's world cup and will put on the summer olympic games two years after that. cnn has learned a key ambassadorship may be going to a member of an iconic american family. with that story, our chief white
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house correspondent cnn's jessica yellin. so, jessica, give it up, is this a aye or a nay. i know she's being vetted. >> sources tell me that caroline kennedy is going through the vet process, has been asked to be the next ambassador to japan. but this vet still has to be completed. if she gets the post, she would be following in the kennedy family tradition. her grandfather joe kennedy was ambassador to england. sergeant shriver ambassador to france. keep in mind, kennedy was not only an early endorser of the president, but also a trusted ally of this administration. she was on the president's vice presidential selection committee in 2008. so if she goes through the vet successfully, and we expect she will, this would not be your typical old school supporter stuck up. she's someone who can get the president and his staff on the phone and bottom line that means she would have juice in the job, fredricka. >> and, apparently, japan likes
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it when a u.s. ambassador to their country is someone who is well known, someone who really has kind of chops and worldwide respect, right? >> japan likes that. listen, any country would like that because what you want in an ambassador is somebody who is high profile, and can get the commander in chief, the recognition that that relationship is valued by the u.s. and putting caroline kennedy in that job is a sign that the president values the relationship with japan and we know he does with his pivot to the pacific. >> all right, jessica yellin, thanks so much. it looked like a kidnapping, but the police say it was something much different. up next, the real story behind the so-called chase caught on surveillance video. plus, let the good times roll and roll at the white house, as it throws its annual easter egg hunt. what a party. we'll show you next.
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all right, some of the hottest stories in a flash, rapid fire. roll it. a man accused of terrorizing walmart shoppers on easter sunday is in custody. police in san jose, california, say the suspect drove his car through the store's front door
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and then attacked shoppers with a blunt object. >> all of a sudden, i see all kinds of people running and screaming toward the back of the walmart. like, what's going on? >> four people were hurt, one of them seriously. the suspect was arrested on assault charges. police say they believe drugs or alcohol may have been involved. and in alaska, three people are dead in a crash of a state trooper helicopter. it happened over the weekend, about two hours northeast of anchorage. the pilot and a state trooper had just rescued a stranded snowmobiler. the chopper was on its way to meet medics when it disappeared. another aircraft spotted the wreckage, but no survivors were found. and police in new york say what looked like a kidnapping caught on camera was actually a hoax. investigators say the people involved in this surveillance video of two men chasing someone have now come forward saying it was all part of a birthday party prank. police say there will be no charges against the pranksters.
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and president obama and the first family welcomed a celebrity guest to the white house this morning. ♪ the easter bunny, of course, was the star of the show as the 135th annual white house easter egg roll kicked off on the south lawn there. more than 35,000 people from across the country were at this year's egg roll. among them, families of the school shooting victims in newtown, connecticut. all right. how about this for a shot? european golfer andreas hartow of denmark favors boxers over briefs. how do we know that? you'll see in a moment. right there. no kidding. he hit a pretty decent shot from the water. and then surprise, surprise, turns out he wasn't even wearing any pants. it is not uncommon to see pros remove their shoes, perhaps, when trying to wedge a ball out of the water, but this close to the full monty?
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he just returned to copenhagen and he's joining us now on the phone. so, you got to explain this one. usually it is taking off the shoes and socks, rolling up the pants, but you, you took it all off. >> this water was a little bit too deep for just the shoes and socks, so i had to take my pants off. i mean, i hit the ball in the water, the ball was halfway above and halfway under the water. this was the 14th hole, the last round, and i was doing all right in the tournament. i wanted to save a shot and i did all right. and, you know, i know it looks quite funny, but i did what i had to and that was the main thing here. >> yeah, it is very funny. did you know that it would be broadcast all over the world and, you know, people would be looking at you in your skivvies? >> definitely not. i saw the video camera and i realized it might be on just the golf channel in europe, but now
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it is -- i heard it is in thailand and the states and stuff. it is has gone a little bit more crazy than i might have thought it would, but i like putting smiles on people's faces. so i'm happy with the fact that -- >> you have done just that. are you happy with the shot? was it worth the risk? >> it was a great shot. i saved the shot. that was the main thing. and, yeah, you know, it was a good shot. it would have been a fantastic par. i made bogey unfortunately, but, yeah, i mean, i was very happy with the shot. it was a tricky shot. it is more or less a guess. i was happy i got it on the green and managed to make bogey. >> of course you would be rather, you know, you would rather be known for your swing, but instead you're known for, you know, showing your gams. >> yeah. i mean, it is all right. i don't mind. again, i'm not -- i'm not afraid to make a fool out of myself. again, as i said before, i did this to save a shot.
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it is in the like i wanted to make a fool out of the tour, out of the golf tournament. i have to save a shot and i did just that. people can laugh at it and i don't mind. >> something tells me they probably like the publicity. i don't think they're going to feel like you made a fool of anybody, but you're brave indeed. you know, would you do that again, you think? >> no, definitely. now i've proved to -- proven to myself i can hit a shot like that, so if i'm in a situation like that again, i guess i'll do the exact same thing. but hopefully it won't happen. i'll try to stay out of the water from now on. >> pants or no pants. thanks so much. good thing you have nice looking legs there too. >> thank you. >> all right, thanks for being with us and being a good sport about it all too. coming up next, news on everyone and everything including a possible game changer for the online retailer amazon. and quite a find. chad myers joins us on the meteorite found from mercury. the power block is next.
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all right, bottom of the hour. i'm fredricka whitfield in for brooke baldwin. technology, sports, business, health, science, all of it, we're hitting it right now. amazon is gradually losing one of the biggest advantages that gave it a competitive edge over brick and mortar stores. the popular online retailer has challenged efforts forcing it to charge state sales taxes. alison kosik is with us now from the new york stock exchange. amazon lost a big fight in new york. could we see this go all the way to the supreme court? >> that's a good question, but wouldn't be such a shocker to see amazon take this issue all the way to the supreme court. especially after the highest court here in new york said amazon, yes, you've got to collect state sales tax. something that amazon doesn't want to do. especially since it doesn't do it at the moment.
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and states like illinois say we don't have a problem with it. with so many different opinions, it makes it a prime candidate for supreme court review. especially since each state has different laws. but, if amazon loses this battle, it could be saying bye-bye to the pricing edge over brick and mortar stores. the issue may be as looking at a bill now, legislation on the table getting lots of support, because states are missing out on $23 billion on uncollected tax revenue from websites and cat lo lalogs that don't collec tax. it is getting a lot of support. it has a good chance of passing. >> and the week ahead is going to be a quite busy one for jobs, data, all of that, right? >> exactly. quiet day today, but as the week goes on, going to get very busy, getting numbers on unemployment claims, private sector hiring, plan layoffs, all that stuff coming out during the week. the biggie, the big report coming out friday, that's the government official monthly jobs report for march. the expectation is that employers added 178,000
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positions. that would mark a pullback from february, when employers added 236,000 jobs. so you may wind up seeing stocks in stand by mode until we get that report. >> very good. thanks so much, alison. on to china. two men are dead after being infected with the strain of bird flu. never before seen in humans. it is called the h7n9 strain and now china's health commission is reporting a third person, a woman being infected. she is in critical condition. while each live in and around shanghai, the world health organization says there is no sign that they can track the disease from each other. and scientists might have discovered first ever meteorite from mercury. according to, and washington university, scientist tony irvin, a beautiful, bizarre green rock found in morocco may be the first from that planet near the sun. chad myers, this is pretty fascinating. >> nwa-7325.
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sounds like an old northwest flight. >> more exotic name would be better. >> big green. they found a bunch of little pieces of this and they know it is not from mars because men are from mars and women are from venus. and this is a green rock that they believe is from mercury. we think of mercury being the red planet, right? but it is not. just very low iron in this thing. it is lined up with the m magnetite of what would be a rock from mercury. how did it get here? they think a huge asteroid smashed into mercury at some point, a piece flew off and 4 billion years later it landed in morocco. doesn't appear like anything from -- >> how do they know? how do they isolate that out? >> they don't. but they have -- but they have a little guy flying around mercury and it is seeing this same type of pattern in the magnetic field that this rock has. it could be just another rock that was near mercury when mercury was formed, but that's 4
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billion years ago -- >> how big is that? i'm sorry, just saying, shine it up a little bit -- >> your thumb. >> can make a nice ring. shine it up a little bit. thanks so much, chad. appreciate that. fascinating stuff. it was a story that made headline around the world. remember the case of the pregnant man? well, now that man is back in the headlines after his request for a divorce was denied. was his gender a factor? we're on the case next.
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all right, do you remember the case of the pregnant man? here's a reminder. thomas beattie made world headlines in 2008 when the transsexual, who was born a woman, but now lives as a man, gave birth to a baby girl. well, here he is with his wife on "larry king".
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>> you don't have any legal problems at all? >> we have, actually, with her birth certificate. in the beginning -- >> what does it say? >> well, i filled it out as me father, nancy mother. they changed it last minute and put her as father and me as mother. and then they changed it again and they put us as parents. that's fine and dandy, but we don't have a domestic partnership. we're not a same-sex marriage. we're legal man and wife. >> so just a reminder, baby kept his female reproductive organs when he became a man. his baby was conceived through artificial insemination and the couple, they since have had two babies using a donor's sperm and bb's own eggs. now the story is back in the headlines and the court. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin is here. what is happening? >> well, what's happening is that thomas wants a divorce, right? they have been together for nine
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years, and he wants out. he wants a divorce. they were married legally in hawaii as a man and a woman because in hawaii they did grant him a new birth certificate. a birth certificate as a man. well, they moved to arizona where they filed for divorce and quite interesting because the arizona judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence he was a man when they married and because arizona has a ban against same-sex marriage, this judge has said, well, this nine-year union cannot be recognized as valid because in arizona same-sex marriages aren't allowed. so a really, really difficult legal point that is very, very nuanced, but they are saying in arizona, that this marriage that was legal in hawaii is now not legal, never existed in arizona. >> what kind of recourse do they have? does it mean going back to hawaii where their union is
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recognized in filing for divorce there? can you do that? >> isn't that something? my understanding is they're going to be looking at all options and going to appeal this decision, but it is sort of that strange place, i think, where people find themselves, both transgendered and same sex. we know the same sex marriages are legal in nine states as well as in d.c. perhaps ten states depending what the supreme court does with that challenge to doma in california. prop nine rather in california. but transgendered people are often married in legal marriages. one when there is this birth certificate that deems the person a male, but other times, fredricka, when, let's say you have a couple that is married, and someone transitions during the marriage. well, if they stay together, that's still considered a heterosexual marriage under the law. and that, again, is a valid marriage. it is really an interesting
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legal question and i oftentimes say, our law hasn't always caught up with the reality of things today, and i think this is one more area where the law just hasn't quite caught up. >> all right, sunny hostin, thanks so much, on the case. it was a surprise blockbuster hit for the history channel. the epic miniseries "the bible" attracted more than 10 million viewers for each show. it received more viewers than "american idol." so is must see tv now must see cable? we'll find out next.
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a huge night for two cable television programs that no one expected to be hits. at least not in the beginning. >> the king of the jews. >> a big favorite was last night's finale of "the bible" which featured gut wrenching scenes of the crucifixion. no coincidence that the history channel aired it on easter. view iers flocked to social med to pour out their emotions. it went to head with amc's "the walking dead" which also had a monster night, no pun intended. the gory show about a zombie apocalypse closed out its third season with more than 12 million viewers. david is a producer for "the walking dead." good to see you. congratulations. who knew that three seasons ago
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a show about zombies would be such a hit, would have such smash appeal. what is the appeal? why are people so hooked? >> getting two major audiences here. i think that the first audience, there is a huge audience for genre programming out there that i think has been really historically underserved. i think we have something different here in that we're not just making genre programming, we have something that has real and three dimensional characters. i think people are really responding to the characters and emotions that they're seeing on television. >> and then two very important characters died last night. it really has become a signature show to kind of get rid of the main characters, which really is the antithesis of what most successful shows would want to adhere to. >> you know, i think the thing -- one thing that is great about our show is when we go into the room, there is no character that is safe. literally every character is up
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for discussion at any point in the story if it demands it. >> that's crazy stuff. stick around. we're going to bring in brian lowrie, a critic for variety and nischelle turner in los angeles. let's talk about the big numbers and why these two shows grew to be so popular. "the walking dead", "the bible," very different shows, huge audiences nonetheless. simultaneously. >> well, i think we're seeing right now where the place where a hit show can come from really anywhere. we have seen not just on cable, but we have seen pbs get enormous numbers this season with down tton abbie. duck dynasty for a&e. it is a question of the audience being able to find the shows they want, and watch them in numbers that are sort of eradicating what we traditionally thought of, well, that's an okay rating for a kibble show, but it is not a
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network worthy rating. >> nischelle, i'll bring you into this. these shows ignited social media as well last night. people just couldn't get enough? >> absolutely. i think one of the things that david touched on is very true. the unpredictability "the walking dead" that has people so hooked on this. their favorite character could get killed off at any time, so no one knows what's going to happen. and last night, like you said, 12.4 million people watching the show. but here's this number that really makes a big point here, fredricka. 8.1 million of those viewers were from that 18 to 49 demographic. that's a huge number. that has to have "the walking dead" jumping for joy. but you can't forget about the bible series because while the zombies did eek out the resurrection a little bit, 11.7 million people watched the finale of "the bible" last night and almost 4 million were in
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that key demographic of 18 to 49. people have taken to these. social media was huge. twitter was ablaze with people talking about their reaction to the crucifixion and also the premiere of "the walking dead," a big night all around. >> okay. and, dave, back to you. what is next? how do you keep it fresh? >> honestly, i think that, you know, we're going to go some really interesting places. if you watch the finale, you know, we went to some really dark places this season. but we ended up with a ray of optimism and hope, and we're going to sort of do our best to sort of, you know, play with that balance as we go forward. brick is on the accelerator, - things will be bigger, bad, faster and meaner next season. >> and so, brian, you know, are networks dead in the water? can they keep up with this, you know, risk taking that we're seeing on cable television? >> they can keep up. there is still enormous hits on network television and they obviously have a huge platform to deliver shows.
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but they don't have a default audience anymore. and in the same way that the ceiling has broken for cable, where cable is doing numbers we didn't expect for them, the floor has dropped out for the networks, which is it used to be you could put on a network show and be assured of some audience, now you can put on a network show and really lay an egg and fall flat on your face. only thing i would throw out about the ratings, by the way, the numbers, as big as they are from last night, are very much works in progress. once you take additional dvr viewing in, millions more people will watch both shows before the week's up. >> good point. brian lowrie, dave, congratulations and nischelle turner, thanks as well to all of you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. it is an injury that everyone is talking about today, kevin ware's broken leg, happening on live television in front of millions of viewers. next, we're talking live to an orthopedic doctor to see what the recovery just might be like. to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it?
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. graphic. horrific. grueso gruesome. last night's break injury to louisville's kevin ware there, number 5 in white, oh, going for a block at the top of your screen. if you didn't see him get hurt, you're lucky. it is tough to watch so we kind of blurred it out there. the reserve guard didn't just break his leg. his shinbone actually tore out of the skin, breaking through, and his foot seemed to eerily just kind of dangle while he screamed in agony. my description is probably just as gruesome as you seeing it. the sights and the sounds
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brought coaches and players to tears there. the crowd of course went silent. his team, the cardinals, went on to win the big game for him and earn a spot in the final four. here is coach rick pitino. >> if we let up for a second, then kevin ware doesn't mean how much he means to us. i said, we're going to dig in, we're going to play this game to the end, we're going to get him back home, nurse him to good health and get him to atlanta. >> oh, boy. and so atlanta-bound? last night ware underwent a successful two-hour surgery, and check it out. he's up and moving with crutches in that shot right there. pretty unbelievable. dr. karas is part of the sports medicine fellowship program. two-hour surgery up and moving. it doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be atlanta-bound with the team. maybe in a support role. but let's talk about what he has gone through. you say this is actually a
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fairly common kind of break, but we're not useded to seeing it on the basketball court. maybe on the football field, maybe in a car accident but not here. that's why it hurt so much. >> that's true. it's -- we're not familiar with seeing that typically on the basketball court. these injuries are typically associated with a high-energy type of injury, car accidents, falls, of course being struck on a football field. little unique for a basketball court. but fairly common in the orthopedic community. >> oh, my goodness, so the road ahead for him, we've seen the pictures of him looking very i guess encouraging after two hours of surgery, but what next? what kind of therapy is involved here? i know there was a steel rod involved in the placement to kind of bring the bones back together again. how delicate is this recovery? >> actually, the steel or more than likely titanium rod that went into kevin's leg is very, very strong. you see some images on the screen where kevin is up and walking on crutches.
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the rod is actually designed withstand his full body weight. >> that's it, what you brought? >> that's it, an actual rod not unlike the one placed in kevin's leg. that is a titanium rod. you can see the rod would bridge the fracture. let's say the fracture is somewhere here, then it's locked up top and bottom of the nail. the load this nail could withstand is very tough. kevin could be walking with crutches in a week or two. >> looking at the rod, i'm feeling fainlt faint. this rod is attached to the bone and it will stay there. >> inside, the rod drops inside. >> inside. >> bones are hollow, the rod is designed to stay inside. can actually stay there forever as long as it doesn't cause any symptoms. frequently this hardware can stay in. >> and stays forever. talk about his recovery. will he -- you say it can withstand aloft weight, but then as an athlete, you know, running, pounding, et cetera, can he look toward being able to
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return to that kind of athleticism? >> in the short term, the open wound -- this was an open fracture so the kind of things we worry about in that situation is the soft tissue injury. the bone has been securely fixed, in good position. if we can get oust tout of the woods over the next tweak or two over the soft tissue, infection. >> that involved stitching, putting back together. >> right. that will be the initial issue. then after that, the bone heals very dependable in this setting. it's unlikely it won't heal. he could have full bone healing within six months and his recovery will begin much sooner than that. so he could actually conceivably be back if a very athletic situation within six to nine months. >> oh, my goodness. very encouraging for had him to hear, i'm sure and anyone else who is watching it. just simply empiathizing with that kind of break and his potential as an athlete. you wonder, has it been impaired as a result of that accident?
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but you're saying no, he could have a full recovery and be just as athletic and successful as he would have been without the injury. >> if you're going to pick an injury to the ankle, injury to the knee or an injury in the tibia, i think you'd pick the tibia. i think his prognosis is good, he'll have a great recovery and he'll get back to everything he wants to. >> great to hear. that was painful to watch. dr. karas, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. coming up next -- the lead" with jake tapper, talking with one of the few people who can relate to where joe theismann -- that's what came to mind when we saw that break -- he suffered a similar injury back in 1972 playing professional football. the injury ended his career. an injure frnlt view with joe theismann next. also up next, is someone other than conrad murray to blame for michael jackson's death? the singer's mother and children say yes, and they're headed to court to prove it. at a dry cleaner,
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