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much. thank you all for starting your morning with us. >> that's right, we have a lot more news, much more ahead on "cnn saturday morning" which starts right now. >> good morning, everyone i'm john berman live in boston. >> and i'm christine romans. cnn's special coverage of the boston marathon bombing continues now. >> there's been jubilation and relief over the arrest of the suspect and maybe a little giddiness left over from last night. [ cheers and applause ] >> look at that, boston erupts in celebration after police capture 19-year-old dzhokhar
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tsarnaev. is he in the hospital this morning. it shows the bloodied teen in a boat where he'd likely been hiding for hours. he was wounded friday morning in a shoot-out with police that killed his brother and he may have been hit in last night's shoot-out. tsarnaev refused to surrender until the last volley of gunfire. >> we have movement in the boat. he just sat up. he is moving, he's flailing about. >> the suspect now hospitalized at boston's beth israel deaconess. pam, what do you know about his condition right now? >> reporter: the last chats
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authorities are telling us he is still in serious condition. we don't know the extent of his injuries or where his injuries are. when he was brought here last night authorities said he was weakened from a substantial loss of blood. there are indications that he was wounded during a shoot-out with authorities early friday morning, and then possibly wounded again during another gunfight that happened at the boat, where he was discovered last night. but again, we know right now is he in serious condition. the hospital has denied our request for an interview. all they can say is that he is here and the fbi is fielding questions from the media about his conditions. we're hoping for a press conference to get some more answers. >> pamela, john berman here. do we have a sense of when the next step in the legal process might be? >> reporter: well if he is physically able he could be arraigned as early as this weekend. it is unlikely that will happen considering is he in serious condition. when at rainment does happen a
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preliminary hearing will be set within 30 days and the indictment will go to a grand jury. he hasn't been charged yet and the charges that he does face will determine whether his trial goes to a state or federal level and whether he'll face the death penalty because the state of mass mass does not have a death penalty but as of now we don't know the charges that he will face. >> pam, we know so many of the victims went to beth israel after the attacks. are there any still in the hospital and certainly people must be finding sort of an irony that the suspect's being treated the same place where his alleged victims are being treated. >> reporter: you can imagine how disturbing this must be for the victims, who are still at this hospital. there are 12 victims here that were injured in the bombings on monday. we know from reports that some of the victims that are here right now have lost limbs, they are in serious condition. so there is certainly concern about that, but we have seen a
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large police presence here. there have been security outside the hospital, inside the hospital. it appears the hospital is doing everything it can to make the patients feel safe, and comfortable, but as you mentioned there is a level of irony here, and a level of discomfort with the fact that he's staying here along with the patients that were injured in monday's bombing. >> pamela brown thank you so much, outside beth israel hospital in boston, where the suspect again is being treated, in serious condition. >> can you imagine being some of the families of the victims with the suspect there, too? it shows the professionalism of the hospitals here in the boston area. people in and around watertown are simply calling this all unreal the tense 24-hour manhunt changed that neighborhood into a war zone, swarming with police, swarming with s.w.a.t. teams, also the national guard. cnn's poppy harlow shows us how this all went down. >> reporter: an extraordinary
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manhunt for two brothers on the run. >> today we're enlisting the public's help to identify the two subjects. >> reporter: an hour after it began an m.i.t. officer is gunned down, a carjacking and to watertown where a shoot-out with police ensues, some 200 rounds of gunfire exchanged. sources tell cnn the suspects threw grenade and pipe bombs at police. >> we heard gunshots and we saw the explosion. >> a ton of gunshots and like boom, boom, three big bangs. >> reporter: officers shoot 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev who later died with explosives strapped to his body. his younger brother dzhokhar flees, armed and dangerous. >> we're looking for a suspect consistent with the description of suspect number two. >> reporter: more than 9,000 officers mobilized, much of boston under lockdown as
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authorities search high and low for suspect number two. >> we believe this to be a terrorist. we believe this to be a man who has come here to kill people. >> reporter: as the hunt continues, the suspect's family speaks out. >> translator: someone framed them. i don't know who exactly did it but someone did, and being cowards, they shot the boy dead. >> he put a shame on the tsarnaev family, he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. >> reporter: late friday, still no capture. >> we do not have an apprehension of our suspect this afternoon, but we will have one. >> reporter: but just an hour later, officers have suspect number two cornered. >> they have the suspect, they believe it is the suspect, they know exactly where he is. they've cordonned off a section of watertown. >> they are yelling loudly to someone in the boat or near it, come out. we just heard him say come out on your own terms.
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we also heard them say come out with your hands up. >> reporter: and then at 8:45 -- >> the boston police department has just tweeted "suspect in custody." >> reporter: soon after the streets of boston erupt in celebration. >> two perpetrators who caused so much pain and anguish are no longer a threat to our personal safety and to our communities. >> we've closed an important chapter in this tragedy. >> poppy harlow joins us live from watertown, massachusetts. poppy, we saw the pictures of the people celebrating the jubilation on the streets there, which truly is understandable but at the same time here, this is still an area very much in recovery. >> reporter: absolutely. you know the city so well, there was jubilation last night for good reason but at this hour we still have 58 people in the hospital, three two of them
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children and this is a city that is reeling, trying to cope with the enormous of the tragedy that it has gone through and you have four precious lives that have been lost in all of this, of course, 8-year-old martin richard, his life lost there standing right by the finish line, the chinese exchange student lingzi lu and krystle campbell and the m.i.t. police officer shot down, sean collier. yes the city has the jubilation and also the tragedy and some of the victim's families responded to the arrest, john, the brother of krystle campbell telling "the boston globe" he's glad this arrest happen and it doesn't bring his sister back and the sentiment echoed by the richard family saying none of this will bring back our beloved martin so you still have a long, long way to go here. >> nothing will bring back their children, their brothers, their sisters. poppy harlow in watertown, thank
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you so much. >> the richard family still has the recovery of their daughter and the mother. so this is just still just the beginning for the families. spokesman for russian president vladimir putin says russia wants to get official information on the boston bombing suspects from the united states and expects there to be contact between investigators of both countries. >> how likely is this? let's ask barbara starr joining us now. what do we know about this russian/u.s. connection? >> well, john, christine, good morning. this brings the investigation into the international arena, the relations between the u.s. and russia and the focus on central asia, especially the area near chechnya where this family was originally from. what we have now is, we know that the fbi in 2011, at the request of another country, no one has said it's russia but you might assume reasonably, the fbi looks at the older brother, that
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there was information, this country came to the fbi and said we are worried about him, we think maybe he's involved in potential troubling activity. the fbi acknowledged the request and said in part last night, they said "the request stated it was based on information that he, the older brother, was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer, and that we changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the united states for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups." what we know is that the older brother traveled to russia for about six months last year. the look now is where was he, who was he meeting with? what was he doing? the u.s. intelligence community, the fbi now going back looking at everything. john, christine? >> i imagine that trip to russia for that older brother that, crucial piece of information all
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the intelligence agencies will be looking into closely. barbara starr thank you very much. >> the investigation into the suspects will take authorities from boston to eye russian republic that has a history of its own in terrorism where the suspects' families lived and where cnn traveled to get some answers. ♪ [ construction sounds ] ♪ [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪ got the coffee. that was fast. we're outta here. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ a body at rest tends to stay at rest...
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we want to get right to nick payton walsh in dagestan where he's had an interview with the father of the boston marathon terror suspects. nick, what can you tell us about the father, what he said to you? >> reporter: well in truth,
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anzor tsarnaev drove passed, pulled up to collect something. we approached his car, he wound down the window, said to me his sons had never, ever had any involvement in the allegations against them in boston in relation to the marathon bombing. he went on to tell me he would be going to america soon, for some assistance to dzhokhar who is in custody and i said have you had any conversations here with russian special services, security service here, but above all really a very angry man who yesterday felt possibly it was worth speaking to the media to deny his son's involvement in this. i think perhaps today still struggling with the disbelief of the accusations against his two sons and frankly the spotlight this has brought on to his life here. towards the end of the conversation he was clear he did not want to speak again, he
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wound his window up, obviously a man under enormous pressure and simply trying to absorb the enormity of what u.s. officials say has happened to his family. >> does he say, nick, how he knows his sons did not do that? does he say on what basis he has, his own brother said this is a shame on all chechens. >> i asked when did you last speak to them, tell me when your last conversation was, try to flesh out this element of disbelief and i think his comment and many people we see in this town no matter how many pictures you show of them you ask him have you seen of the evidence? it's a common theme amongst people here not wanting to believe these two brothers who passed through this town one briefly, one perhaps at greater length, could have stooped to these particular lows but
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certainly the one thing i think i saw in this man's face was fury that he was in this situation, that the spotlight was upon him, and i think perhaps his denial's aren't necessarily enough to stop the questions from coming. >> nick, you said the father is very angry right now. is he angry at the situation, emotional or is he flat out angry at the united states for some reason? >> i think the truth at the moment he's probably angry at the media trying to get answers out and that's certainly the impression we got during the conversation, that's where the messenger becomes the target of their wrath but certainly he must feel at this point there are a lot of accusations being made against his sons. i'm sure he might have a constructive argument much of the evidence in the public domain involves pictures, photographs and i think certainly he wants to be in the
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united states i would imagine to assist dzhokhar from being picked up in the boat last night. >> nick payton walsh reporting from dagestan thank you so much. we'll get a look at that interview nick describes as quite angry as soon as we get that tape back. another top story, search and rescue crews still continuing their efforts for those missing in texas after an intense explosion flattened parts of a small town. we are live in west texas. mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004.
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♪ another top story we're following, this weeks amassive explosion at a fertilizer plant. the blast so intense it registered as a 2.1 magnitude seismic event and leveled parts of a small town of west texas. >> we're talking homes and buildings that were wiped off the map. in total, 14 people lost their lives, another 200 were injured, there are still some people uncutted for and cnn's martin savidge is live in west texas this morning. martin, what is the latest?
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>> reporter: good morning, john. the recovery efforts's going to continue today. two things they're focusing on, one, trying to find those who may still be among the victims that are buried and on top of that trying to figure out exactly how did this happen, what exploded and why did it explode with such a devastating impact. town of only 2,600 people, 50 homes destroyed other buildings as well. three of the four schools have been damaged in some way. i can go on and on but that gives you the sense of impact. it is hoped the death toll will not rise too much beyond the 14 you mentioned, but it could rise. i also just want to give you some of the statement that was released by the company. we heard from them for the very first time, locally owned. i've heard statements from companies in aftermath of disaster, never have i heart one so heartfelt, "the selfless sacrifice of the first responders who died trying to protect all of us is something i will never get over.
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i was devastated to learn we lost one of our employees in the explosion. i will never forget his bravery and his sacrifice or that of his colleagues who rushed to trouble. this tragedy will continue to hurt deeply for generations to come, that is donald adair and is he right, it will be felt so much long, after all of us leave here. back to the two of you. >> martin savidge thank you so much. the adair grain company owns that fertilizer plant and this is a week that was about first responders really, when you look at the two major news stories of the week and how first responders were vital in both of them, sort of a big thank you. >> here in boston after the arrest of the second suspect people were chanting on the streets "bpd!" boston police department and big tears for all the first responders. >> president obama assuring texas residents their recovery also is a top priority.
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>> so much attention has been focused on the tragic events in boston understandably. we've also seen a tight-knit community in texas devastated by a terrible explosion, and i want them to know that they are not forgotten. our thoughts, our prayers are with the people of west texas, where so many good people lost their lives, some lost their homes, many are injured, many are still missing. >> we are so lucky right now to be joined by one of the brave texans who ran right into danger to help strangers, just after that explosion. chris kabachev is an eighth grade science teacher from west texas. he rescued those in a nursing home wednesday night. are your parents okay? >> yes, my parents are okay. >> where were you, there was a
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fire and then there was the explosion. where were you when the explosion happened? >> i was in my home in waco, and i got a text message from my dad saying there had been an explosion that had blown several windows out of the house. i got in my truck thinking i'd help board up the win doughs and along the way he said the nursing home was destroyed and they needed help over there. >> you went over to the nursing home. tell me what did you see, what did you do when you got there? >> i had to, as i was driving through town i hit a couple road blocks, parking five or six blocks away at my grandpa's old house and ran down several blocks. as i got there people were wheeling out elderly people on wheelchairs and taking them back in. there was a lady running down the street trying to push two wheelchairs at the same time going back in to get more people and i grabbed one of those wheelchairs and ran in with her.
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the nursing home itself it was kind of, it was just total devastation. the ceilings had fallen in, the walls kind of came in and it was just, people running around like crazy trying to get everybody out as fast as they could. >> we're looking at the scenes, these pictures of the aftermath, scenes of utter devastation right now. what was it like to be in the middle of that all? it must have been incredibly confusing. >> it kind of was confusing because at the same time my phone was ringing constantly with people asking if i knew of anybody that was safe and if my parents were safe and i went around to where the apartment complex was destroyed, and was waiting to help wheel people off of there and i received a call from our cousin asking about his grandmother in the assisted living on the other side of the nursing home and just everything kind of happened really fast. it seemed like a long time but
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over the long haul it was only probably about 15, 20 minutes. >> chris, can you tell us how people are coping there? you have 14 people confirmed dead, a few people who are still missing, and i got to tell you, the whole country, i mean our thoughts and prayers are with all you guys, this whole town must be devastated. how are people doing today? >> people are certainly upset and grieving but we're a real close tight-knit community, everybody is banding together and trying to stay as positive as question and hope to clean up and rebuild. >> chris kubacak, an eighth grade science teacher, becomes a first responder running into danger to help pull people to safety it's an honor to have you here this morning. thank you so much. >> yes, thank you. here in boston for days
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following monday's horrific bombings people all over the world took to social media to help find the then unknown terror suspects but did all this help or did it hurt the fbi's hunt? we're going to ask those questions right after the break. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge!
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>> 19-year-old jodzhokhar tsarnv is in a boston hospital. this image shows him bloodied on a boat on a backyard in watertown. he was captured and it was this tweet that confirmed to residents what they'd be hoping for since monday's bombings "suspect in custody." the fbi was quick to announce the dramatic conclusion "captured" to its wanted poster. now this morning's "boston globe" wraps up the sentiment of an entire city, "nightmare's end." that really does say it all. so have you heard of this thing called boston bomber sleuthing? in the minutes following monday's marathon bombing people all over the world put on their unofficial detective hats and took to social media sights in hopes of finding who was behind the terror attacks. the cover explains it well, people were highlighting and
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circling and charting out almost everyone's moves from that day from pictures and videos they filed together, not exactly csi but nothing like this has really been done before. joining me is the director of the m.i.t. initiative on technology sherri turckel, tom fuentes and clinical psychologist jeff gardere. did this sleuthing help or hurt this whole investigation? tom fuentea weuentes let me sta you. >> the only time it hurts is when you get information from the public when somebody deliberately is trying to cause trouble for an ex-husband or ex-wife or somebody they have a personal grudge with for some reason but when people are sincerely trying to help, you just never know and out of that, it's an avalanche of information, but out of that might be just the right snowflake that solves the case,
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so you know, from the fbi or police standpoint they'd rather have too much than too little. >> let me toss this out to the group here, is this the new norm here? are we going to see social media becoming the norm in solving big crimes like this? >> i think definitely you will. this is how people stay in touch, this is how people stay empowered, this is how people are able to communicate with one another and as psychologists, we tell people don't give in to the anxiety, don't give in to the fear. instead, find ways to be involved, to stay stronger, and this is how we try to stave off as much of that ptsd that we see later on. >> there is a lot of misinformation, though, that gets passed around or uninformed pictures, uninformed, you know, things. is it really possible to have people with no training doing this investigating? >> you know, except a lot of what we did see is people who
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have grown up with the ethos of i share, therefore i am on social media turning detective work into something of vigilante work. there are a lot of misidentifications, misidentifications that made their way from readit into the media, on to the cover of "the new york post" onto the cover of other major media outlets, and then right back into those people's personal lives, into their high schools, people really feeling ashamed, frightened to go to school, frightened to see their friends. there's been a lot of collateral damage here and when i look down the readit site and look at who was targeted in this massive effort, a lot of people with turbans, a lot of people with dark skin. it became a window for our
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anxieties about the other. so i think we have to look very carefully at what happens to us when we're told to, if you see something, say something. we've become anxious and we have to be careful at what happens to us when we are called upon in situations like this. >> caution and discretion is always in order in investigations like this. tom fuentes last question to you. would it have ever been solved so quickly if not for social media, if not for everyone out there helping? these photos were posted at 5:00 on thursday and then by the next morning, one suspect was dead and another one was on the run. >> well i think both. i think you had the regular media putting it out worldwide, and then as well as social media, but i would like to go back and echo what sherry said that she's absolutely right t can go too far. it can do damage and i have concerns and i've spoken about
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it in the past with the comment if you see it, say it. that's very true but also look at it through the lens of the people that are going to be saying it, that is that oftentimes you're going to have people call in because somebody doesn't look like we look like and in events like this, this is an international social and athletic event, the boston marathon, you have people from all over the world, you have residents, we have an immigrant community, we have students from all over the world who are here, evidenced by the young chinese lady that was killed watching the race. so it can go too far because people have a tendency to say you don't look like me therefore you're suspicious, you're not the same color, you're not the same ethnic background or national background, therefore you're suspicious to me, i'm going to call the authorities so yes, the individualized profiling on that basis can be taken to excess. >> i think one thing is for sure that this last week will prove something of a case study in
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future events like this moving ahead. sherry, tom, jeff, thank you for joining us, certainly food for thought. >> you're welcome. normally during an arrest police tell you that you have the right to remain silent, but not for the boston bombing suspects. why police are not reading his miranda rights and what this means for you, when we come back. mb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow. here's to good decisions. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your family's future? we'll help you get there. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes.
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>> that was the streets of boston and surrounding towns last night, clearly people so excited that this second suspect now in custody. justice department official tells cnn the 19-year-old suspect will not be read his miranda rights. the government is evoking what's called the public safety exception that lets authorities question a suspect without warning him first. this allowed in cases of immediate danger. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham in a statement said dzhokhar tsarnaev should be treated as a potential enby combat nt. "now that the suspect is in custody the last thing we should want for him is to remain silent. under the law of war we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel." with us now from new york is paul callan, former new york prosecutor. what are police trying to find out from him at this point? >> i think we're trying to find
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out what things, first, are there other unexploded bombs out there that have to be recovered to protect the public and secondly they're going to want to know how did you get all of this explosive material? who sold it to you? where is the chain? are there others who may be involved in some kind of a broader conspiracy? those are the two areas that i think federal authorities would be exploring. >> obviously there are a lot of legal implications about this and a great deal of discussion about this. i want to you listen to what alan dershowitz said. >> the government made a mistake claiming the exception to miranda when the police said there's no public safety, it's solved, it's over, there are no further threats but the fbi are saying there are enough further threats to justify an exception to miranda. they should have given him miranda. >> he raises an interesting
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conundrum, the police hours before said the streets are safe at least you don't have to shelter indoors anymore and two hours later they're claiming a public safety exemption not reading him his miranda warnings. do you see this as a contradiction or a mistake? >> i see a big controversy brewing here but the thing i want to start out by saying is that the miranda decision is widely misunderstood. lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator
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mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at rest has taken place on american soil. so this is an enormous controversy that's brewing, depending upon how this case is handled. >> you know, i mean obviously people aren't going to sympathize with the suspect but there are those, some who could say maybe is he being denied some rights. are there reasons we should be concerned about the authorities evoking the public safety exception here? >> i don't think a lot of tears are going to be shed for the suspect in the boston bombing case but when lawyers look at this, you worry not about him so
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much as other individuals in the future who may be forced to confess to crimes they didn't commit. the miranda decision came about when the federal courts felt that the police were abusing their rights, and they were getting coerced confessions and that innocent people were being convicted, and this miranda decision came along to make sure that suspects knew they had the right to an attorney which is guaranteed by the u.s. constitution. so i think in the long run, that's what we have to worry about, the erosion of the rights of american citizens, but this public safety exception has existed since at least 1984, and if there's a legitimate fear there may be other explosive ordnance out there that can endanger the public it's certainly a legitimate use of that doctrine. so i don't see a huge problem at this point but we've got to follow the case closely. >> certainly is spawning a lot
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[ male announcer ] this is a reason to look twice. this is a stunning work of technology. the 2013 lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. . the president spoke to the nation last night, offering gratitude to the men and women of law enforcement and the city of boston, after the bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev was captured. >> the president told city residents boston may be your hometown, but we claim it, too, but in that message of hope he also offered a quest for answers and pledged all the support the government could offer. athena jones is at the white house this morning, and athena, give us a sense of what else we heard from the president.
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>> reporter: good morning. here at the white house the flags are still flying at half staff and the president was closely monitoring the events in boston as they unfolded yesterday. he was being regularly briefed and he got constant updates through the television coverage that he was also following. i believe we have a picture of lisa monica, the assistant for counterterrorism updating the president after the capture of that second suspect last night. later in the night when he spoke to reporters in the briefing room he continued to offer the kinds of words of comfort to boston and to the victims that we've been hearing but he also began to raise some of the questions that many of the folks who have been following this closely have been asking. let's listen to what he had to say. >> obviously tonight there are still many unanswered questions. among them, why did young men who grew up and studied here as part of our communities and our country resort to such violence?
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how did they plan and carry out these attacks, and did they receive any help? the families of those killed so senselessly deserve answers. the wounded, some of whom now have to learn how to stand and walk and live again, deserve answers. >> reporter: and the president went on to say that the investigation continues to try to get some of these answers. he's instructed the fbi and the department of homeland security to deploy all necessary resources to try to find out as much as they can about this. back to you guys. >> athena, i know the fbi director issued a statement. what did he have to say? >> reporter: he has. i believe we have the statement we can put some of it on the screen, destructor mueller said "during this long week we have seen an extraordinary effort by law enforcement intelligence and public safety agencies. these collaborative efforts with the help and cooperation of the public resulted in the successf successful outcome we have seen tonight. the investigation will continue
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as part of our efforts to seek answers and seek justice and there will be no pause in that effort." of course that's where the attention is focused now on learning as much as we can from the suspect and from questioning others who knew him. back to you guys. >> all right, athena jones at the white house this morning, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. ahead we'll tell you about stories you might have missed during the boston bombing in pursuit of the suspects. the boy scouts could be about to make one of the biggest changes to their organization ever, that's next. [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums
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welcome back, everyone. the story here in boston just so huge, it consumed so much of our attention. >> right. >> there were a number of stories you may have missed during the coverage here. at least 113 people are dead after a powerful earthquake struck southwestern china today. more than 3,000 people are injured. the quake struck sichuan province, the same region that suffered a catastrophic earthquake about five years ago. emergency teams are rushing to the stricken area but landslides and aftershocks are making access very difficult. >> the boy scouts of america are considering ending its ban on gay members. under the proposal from the organization's executive committee, the scouts would no longer deny membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation but the ban on gay adult leaders would remain in place. vote by the voting members takes place in may. when will the weather warm up and dry out? we kind of want to know here,
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too this morning. let's ask meteorologist alexandra steele in atlanta. good morning. >> good morning to you guys. the good news for you and all in boston we are going to see the rain move out. here is the line all with the front, this is what brought all of that flooding to the midwest, and flash flooding in the midwest may be over but the river flood something still a major concern. so there's the rain, it's all moving out, all the big cities will have really a nice, dry weekend although breezy in the northeast today. temperature also warm through the weekend and those winds will certainly calm down. here is the flood threat showing you where all the flood warnings are. we are seeing flooding or flooding is eminent. it's the indiana, the illinois, and really the mississippi river, so biggest concern, what we saw in chicago, of course, all the expressways shut down, shelters have been opened, homes evacuated. the three biggest states, illinois, indiana, that's where we are seeing and have seen the flooding. big picture the front's off the coast, temperatures in the southeast dramatically warm and of course all eyes on the
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midwest, because we are going to see more rain on tuesday, guys. >> all right, alexandra steele thank you so much, alexandra. >> thank you for starting your morning with us. >> the special coverage of the capture of boston marathon bombing suspect continues right now. >> good morning everyone, i'm john berman live in boston. >> i'm christine romans. it's 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 out west. cnn's special coverage of the boston marathon bombings continues. >> this morning, boston, this city awakening with a new sense of relief, the lone surviving suspect in the bombings now in custody in an historic manhunt that paralyzed this city, a really major u.s. city, that manhunt is over. >> boston! boston! boston! boston! boston! boston! boston! >> chanting the name of their beloved city, giddy bostonians
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really erupted in celebration after police captured 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. this morning he is hospitalized in serious condition, this photo showing tsarnaev just as he's being arrested, this has exploded across social media overnight and this image from cbs news shows the bloody teen on a boat in a watertown backyard where he had likely been hiding for hours. he was first wounded in the friday morning shoot-out with police that killed his brother. he may have been hit again in last night's gun fight with police. the boat's owner pulled back a tarp to find tsarnaev lying there, he was apparently weak from blood loss but still refused to surrender until the last volley of gunfire. >> we have movement in the boat. he just sat up.
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he's moving, flailing about. >> it was massive blood loss that likely put dzhokhar tsarnaev in the hospital after his capture. >> the suspect is in serious condition, believe he was injured in the same gun fight that killed his brother. pamela brown is outside beth israel deaconess. what do we know about when he will be charged? >> reporter: so far he does not face any charges, but we do know according to doj sources, federal prosecutors have been here at the hospital since last night, and that charges could be coming very soon. that's what we know right now. he is in federal custody. he will be facing federal charges. we're hearing he could face murder charges from the state and some deal could be worked out between the state and federal authorities there. now, it's interesting to note here that since he will be
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charged in the federal level he could face the death penalty here. in the state of massachusetts there is no death opinionality so if that does happen that would have to be moved to a different state. once he faces charges he will be arraigned in court, after the arraignment, a preliminary hearing will be set within the next 30 days and the indictment with a grand jury so that's what we know right now but no charges have been filed. that will be happening soon according to doj sources. >> so he hasn't been charged yet but he is in federal custody technically so what is the security like around the hospital? >> christine, security is very tight around the hospital, ever since he arrived here last night there has been a steady presence of boston police officers outside the hospital, inside the hospital, really everywhere you look you see security officers here in boston, police officers here, we've also seen them
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checking bags of visitors coming to the hospital, so it is clear that they are taking security very seriously here. >> beth iz reel deaconess is one of the esteemed hospitals in this area, where a great many of the patients were taken after the bombing. >> his brother was taken there and pronounced dead there, too. >> it's got to create a strange situation there, pamela. >> reporter: really bizarre situation, there were 12 victims at the hospital that were injured in monday's bombing, so you can imagine how disturbing that must to be know that the man who allegedly is responsible for the bombings is also here being treated at the hospital. you can imagine how discomforting that must be for the patients and for their families here. lot of these victims that are recovering, sustained very serious injuries, some lost their limb. it is a precarious situation and
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that is such a large security presence, does provide some comfort to the patients here at the hospital. >> our thanks to you, pamela brown outside the beth israel deaconess hospital in boston. >> poppy harlow joins us from watertown. you're here with a man who lives in the neighborhood, tell us about it. >> reporter: good morning, we're with the kelleher family, out walking the dog this morning and a big sigh of relief, a better morning certainly than yesterday when you were is it you can in your house. we've got graham, eva, devin and tim kelleher. spin the dog is down here, i don't think you can see him. first to you, as a father you guys were inside all day yesterday, you heard the shoot-out on thursday night, the helicopters. what was it like for you with your children really trying to protect them from this? >> well, it was a horrifying experience to know that this was happening so close, so as a dad and a parent we were just trying to keep them safe and just keep the youngest ones occupied and answer any questions they had.
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>> reporter: because of the nature of media, 24-hour television you guys were watching, right, graham, you knew what was happening. you told me you were scared, of course. i think everyone was but then you saw the police? >> yeah, when i saw the police i knew it was all fine because there were so many of them. it was crazy. >> reporter: what was it like, describe it for me. >> well, it was kind of frightening knowing how close it was to my street, but at the same time i knew that i was probably the closest to the shoot-out so yeah. >> reporter: when school starts on monday everyone's going to be talking about this. what about for you, what was the experience like and how are you feeling this morning, eva? >> i feel comfortable now, now that they caught him, but i was scared at first because i didn't know what was going on. >> reporter: of course. i think everyone was asking those questions. what about you, devan. you were communicating on
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twitter and facebook, what was it like trying to watch over your two younger siblings? >> it was hectic, we were trying to keep eva away from the tv, distract her and play games with her. it was crazy. >> reporter: you guys were gone during the final minutes, you were at her play and then you heard the news as you were really driving back home around 9:00 p.m. last night? >> as soon as we got to the play i started receiving texts from neighbors and relatives saying, are you there and luckily we weren't. i'm so happy eva's play happened and the ban was lifted so we went and that was nerve wracking to know while we were away all this was happening and i was grateful we weren't in harm's way. who knows how this could have gone. >> reporter: another resident told me this is the last thing you expect here, a community where you leave your doors unlocked, you leave the door open in the summer, not something you'd texpect here. >> never here in this neighborhood, it's a quiet
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neighborhood. the last thing you'd ever think. >> reporter: thank you for talking to us, i appreciate it. you were brave through all of it. thank you so much. guys i'll send it back to you. >> thanks so much, poppy. hoping that family has a much more normal day today than they had yesterday. >> morning out walking the dmaug boston in watertown. >> just another saturday, should be nice. russian president vladimir putin is asking u.s. investigators to share information on the boston bombing suspects. >> pentagon correspondent barbara starr joining us with details. what is the latest? >> fundamental question, is this an international terrorism investigation, and did the obama administration know something about these two men back as far back as 2011. what we now know is that the fbi at the request of another country, no one is saying it's russia, at the request of another country looked into the activities of the older brother.
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there was concern that another country expressed about him. the fbi issuing a statement last night about all of that, and saying in part, and let me read it, "the request stated it was based on information that he, the older brother, was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010, as he prepared to leave the united states for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups." we don't know that this request to look into him came from russia, but now russian president vladimir putin today saying he wants some cooperation obviously with u.s. investigators. the u.s. intelligence community, the fbi, the cia now going back through everything they have, trying to see if there were, in fact, any clues about either of these brothers. john, christine? >> barbara, how are intelligence agencies collecting this information? >> well think of it as a spider
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web. you start with the two brothers and work your way back, look at all of their links, their social media contacts, their cell phone records, their travel records, indeed the older brother having gone to russia for some period of time last year. who were they associating with? could there be any possibility? this is the fundamental question. did they have outside support, outside help in carrying out this attack? were they in direct contact with radical fundamentalist element, were they simply inspired perhaps by them? fundamental questions about what really happened and how the government may decide to prosecute the case. back to you. >> we'll start piecing that information today with the suspect in the hospital. barbara starr thank you. the fbi agent who helped lead the manhunt said the arrest will help deliver justice for
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those wounded in the attacks and the families of those believed killed by the brothers that includes the three people at the marathon and the m.i.t. campus police officer who was gunned down friday morning. shortly after the arrest the family of 8-year-old richard martin said "none of this will bring our beloved martin back or reverse the injuries these men inflicted oen our family and nearly 200 others. we continue to pray for healing and comfort on the long road that lies ahead for every victim and their loved ones." >> we'll have much more on the boston marathon bombing investigation. just ahead, one suspect is dead, the other is in custody. what motivated this attack that really paralyzed this city and shocked the entire world? we're going to talk to a terrorism analyst, coming up next.
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[ cheers and applause ] now that the suspects of the boston marathon attack are no longer at large you can see the jubilation in the streets and big question for investigators is why? why these men allegedly carried out these attacks. peter krause is a terrorism analyst and joining me to talk about what we're learn being the suspects and what we're learning about these brothers. it appears the older brother was the driving force here. is that the assumption you think
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investigator also work on? >> it's definitely a possibility. you see the fact he went to russia for six months, he seems to be putting on his youtube channel and social media more ideological events. the younger brother the accounts are oh, nice kid, not necessarily can believe he'd be involved in something like this. we see that again and again. we think people who commit these types of crimes necessarily have to be mentally disturbed, that's generally not the case but it seems we have some d.c. sniper type dynamic, the older mentor and the younger one along for the ride. >> the older brother here he had a trip to russia. do we know what kind of ties he may have had to international terror organizations? will that be what people are looking for next? >> i think the fact that the younger brother was kept alive potentially gives authorities the lead to ask about that. the question is to the extent to which they're chechen, they could be doing it for personal reasons. doesn't make sense from a national perspective.
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the russians are the ones who are oppressing the chechens. on the jihadi elements al qaeda has chechen fighters and chechens who have cut their teeth and gone elsewhere. it is something the fbi will be looking at. it's important to note the extent the individuals are lone wolves oftentimes are not necessarily as effective so it does tip us off to the extent they might have had some training to be able to do this because oftentimes you can't build a bomb that's effective unless you practice. >> there are other signs they didn't have an exit strategy, robbing a 7-eleven, they inexplicably and in cold blood killed an m.i.t. police officer authorities say. that shows that maybe they didn't have the training or the discipline that you would think a jihadi terrorist would have. >> just as you can read a cookbook doesn't mean you're julia child. the sense with lone wolves we think they're a scary threat and already live in society, et cetera, but for every timothy
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mcveigh you have hundreds of dreamers and individuals who don't carry out attacks. >> for what we saw at the boston marathon how many dozens of events have been quashed or thwarted. >> in massachusetts we have individuals captured in fbi stings, one individual the fbi said was trying to have a model airplane full of explosives crash into the capitol building so these things happen again and again, even fids like faisa faisal shazad said i'm trying to set off a bomb in times square. he still was unsuccessful so this happens quite a bit, american society benefitted from the fact if you don't have the training you can't carry this out but at the end of the day if that changes and violence more democratized and building bombs becomes easier we have more of a problem. >> why boston do you think? >> it's interesting. 90% to 95% of terrorist attacks are local. we kind of think when it and again it's international, it's always foreign but most people commit attacks within miles of
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their homes so it's possible that these individuals could have been motivated by some political or religious ideology but nonetheless they're not kicking boston because it's the most important target internationally. it could be the fact this is a soft local target of convenience so that's why they did so. >> the older brother had boxing aspirations, wanted to box for the americans at one point. >> yes. >> the younger brother seems to have every advantage, went to a great school, had a scholarship, liked by his teammates in wrestling and soccer. so will investigators be looking for a point where there could have been a radicalization, what happened when, to change? >> i think they will. one quick caveat there are reports the fbi interviewed the older brother years ago so these are some of the best profilers in the business, they have more access to the information and they looked at this guy, not so much of a threat. it's difficult sometimes dangerous to say what exactly made them tip off and go to this more radical route. that being said there are some potential signs here on the
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younger brother's sense you have people saying how normal he is, oftentimes that's the case. people are not necessarily uneducated or mentally ill or poor who do this stuff. what is the common thing is being socially disaffected from your community. the older brother there were some quotes him saying i don't have a single american friend. i don't understand them. those are signs we've seen sometimes where individuals feel like they're not being integrated to a community, to reach out for another community who welcomes them. that is a possibility they'll be looking into. >> just fascinating, creepy, chilling, the whole thing and still a big investigation to come. peter krause thank you for joining us. another top story as we are here in boston we're watching what's happening in texas. search and rescue efforts for those missing in texas after an intense explosion flattened parts of a small town we're live in the little town of west, texas, next. but when i started losing energy and became moody... that's when i had an honest conversation with my doctor.
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welcome back, everyone. we are live in boston where the intense manhunt for two terrorists that really grabbed the world's attention but there is no forgetting about the devastation and the heart ache in west texas after that massive fertilizer plant explosion that leveled parts of a small town. listen to this. >> are you okay? >> dad? >> are you okay? >> i can't hear. i can't hear. >> that little girl, her family, the family that shot that video they are okay but 200 others injured, 14 lives lost including five volunteer firefighters. cnn's martin savidge is live in
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west, texas. we know the first responders, some volunteer firefighters went rushing in after that fire, then the explosion. we know there are still some who are missing. is there hope at this hour that they will find people alive? >> reporter: no, i think, christine, that officials have finally realized that any hope of finding survivors alive has passed now, that's why they refer it to as a search and recovery effort. governor perry was informing us last evening they are pretty certain that 14 is what they know the number of people they've recovered so far. the number of missing is really low, so if this number goes up it's not expected to go up by a lot and they have searched about 90% of the devastated area so it should be completed today. on top of the numbers we've been talking about, there are hundreds of people who remain evacuated because the entire area around that plant is considered a crime scene and part of the investigation.
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many people, now that the shock has passed and the grieving is starting, want to go home, and they want to see what's been done to their homes and what remains, so they're getting more and more anxious. the hope of authorities is that today they can begin to shrink the boundary around that plant to allow some people to go back home, and as i point out the grief here, the names have not been released of those who have been killed and most of them are the first responders, but this is a small town and everybody knows one another and you can bet by now everybody knows who is on that list, and for many of them, there are people they saw every single day and now it's sinking into them that they will never see them anymore, and that's really striking for this small town. christine and john? >> it is such a tragedy and so much of the focus over the last few days has been on the search and rescue operation but what go the investigation into itself and into what caused this blast? >> there are a lot of groups that are here both on a state
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level and on a federal level that are looking to try to answer that very question, john. much had been made about the anhydrous ammonia, that is a liquid kind of fertilizer and it was worried, people worried because of its toxicity. that is not thought to have been what exploded. the question is what was it? another fertilizer, ammonium nitrate, which many people are familiar with because it was used in the explosive of the oklahoma city bombing, there was a lot of it that was potentially stored there as well. there had been some accounts that said 100 times the amount that was used to blow up the murah building in oklahoma city, what was inside or had been scored inside that facility there. so tremendous amount of that potential explosive. that does not mean that was the cause. it will take a while to figure out. >> certainly an industrial accident that will probably
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change how people consider zoning laws around some of these towns that have these sorts of plants and will really cause the chemical industry to look hard at what happened there and make sure it doesn't happen again. martin savidge, thank you so much. we'll go back to you and continue to follow that story. and we do have this breaking news and for that let's go to pamela brown here in boston. pamela? okay, pamela? we do have some news we are told about the charges that the suspect may face, we're trying to get pamela back on the line so she can explain to us exactly what's happening. we'll bring that to you the minute we have that. >> hasn't been charged yet but he is in federal custody at the hospital, he was in serious condition. he suffered gunshot wounds in the first fire fight with police the day earlier but he may have
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had other injuries from the last moments, the last volley of gunfire before they actually got him out of that boat after he got out of that boat where he'd been hiding and went to the hospital so serious condition was the last check we had of his status there and we're waiting for news on exactly what sort of charges he will face and that's what our pamela brown has been following there from the hospital. >> that's right. he is being kept in the best israel deaconess hospital, one of the fine facilities here in the boston area. that is where his brother who was also fatally injured in the shoot-out the night before was taken, that is where his brother ultimately died and also where a number of his victims have been kept and they are being treated in the very same hospital that he is right now. again we understand that pamela brown has information about possible charges. we will get to pamela as soon as we can. this is an international


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