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cnn money, new york. those involved in the attacks are either dead or in jail or are they? i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." the national lead. th planning. the bomb making. the execution. could the tsarnaev brothers re own? according to a members ofss the answer is no. his picture has been inter butrí we didn't have any idea of what dzhokhar tsarnaev actually sound now. unguarded moment. the world lead. ghost money. tens of millions of u.s. reportedly slipped to the office of the afghan president off the oks. could it have ended up in the hands ofhe very enemies our troops are fighting? good afternoon. we're coming to you live from copley square in boston. on the national lead today, it's a thought entirely the boston bombing suspects have help plotting their vicious attacks? and if so real mastermind still out there it
ready t ans, are raising thatility. they made the rounds on sunday ta tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev actedthink, given the level of sophistication of this device the fact that the pressure cooker is a signature device that goes back to pakistan/afghanistanhandled these devices theft that there w trainer. >> the real test omwf it, whether he was radicalized or not is russia. we have to do a lot of investigation in russia because when he over to russiaback things brother. >> so is this just a sneaking /í suspicion, or is there actual evidence to t we'll talk to one the men concerns former attorney bair the biggest plot that investigators have to look at on how this all came together? >> my opinion is it's the certain signature i'reports, "wall street journal," abc news cnn and on that there -- the police areking at this as a
sophisticated device wnot precisely internet plans that76 magazine. if that's the case, there's a master bomber out there. if there is a master bomber is he in bag dag aastan or ishe's in the united states there's chance he could strike again. i'm waiting an fbi age thing was. >> soviewed a cabdriver. he picked up the tsarnaev brothers he department homeland security officials have interviewed him and are reportedly taking his story seriously, he picked them up the day before the in massachusetts. they had two knapsacks which he held at one point and said it was heavier than he thought and drove them close to their home in cambridge. i suspect that the and other officials, law enforcement community, are following up that clue but that might suggest that the bombs werenearby malden. what would you make of >> i thiher out there practicing with the firing devices, or they pic i heyad be carrying them to rural massachusetts,"j outside
of town. it just doesn't jake it comes back to the fact that i've played with these things a long time, 35m go off in an like this wanta bomb to be a dud because the plo is to happens, purposes their pu be to have them need a bomb maker to do it. or someone with a lot of practice. otherwise, these just don't go after with thatanage to make happen. >> bob baer thank you so much. i to bring in judge michael mukasey, a former attorney general in the bush administration. judge mukasey, you say way these two suspects acted alone. you also wrote in thewall street journal" will that this is an act of jih obama administration needs are you so sure this was part of a larger moveme look. number the keen and intense islamic interest of the dead defendant, the fact that heéá radicalized
there's no reason fori doing that other to which it was conceived as a suicide operation. they obviously were intent on as much damage they could but with the knowledge that they were going to be caught and/or killed. in ha fact the initi it that the one who was killed was wearing a suicide which simply reinforces the impr of islamic terrorest in the "wall street journal" op-ed y days ago you think the obama administration and more pointedly the fbi is too delicate about islamic terrorism. explain what you mean and why that would be significant. >> for years has been purging its training materials t it's also been truction sensitivity from organizations that are thems brotherhoodaffiliates c.a.r.e. and isna. >> you say in your "wall street
journal" piece that tamerlan tsarnaev is 9/11 who has participated in attacks after being questioned by the fbi. the fbi questioned them first. then they went on to commit these terrorist attacks. what needs to these people from slippinhink what needs to happen is for people to get their minds around the fact that an ideology we need to approach it ineay and to understand what motivates the who do this and keep records of the people who are interviewed and what they -- where they go and what apparently after the interview supposedly nothing was to have dropped. >> all right judge michael mukasey, thank you so much. we hope you'll come on again soon. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> 264 people were wounded inerrorist attacks last week 23 still in the hospital. we also want as we do take a moment to remember those who were killed 8-year-old martin richard, his mom and sister also terribly wounded in the blast.
29-year-ol chris tell campbell 23-year-old lingz boston university student and 26-year-old officer sean collier, the m.i.t. officer gunned down after the bombing. today federal agents were inside the fam tamerlan tsarnaev's widow and the mother of his child. katherine russell. i want to go liveike who's on the scene in rhode island. erin how long were the investigators with the family and6g do we know specifically what they were looking for? they were in this home behind me for about 90 can tell you is a couple of them were black equipment cases, and one of them had a clear plastic bag that was marked "dna samples samples." also when they left some of these federal agents and investigators got into cars and katie russe her attorney got into the attor and they all left in long caravan. where they went was katie russell's office in downtown providence. jake they left at 2:15 and the have is that they are still inside the attorney's off i can a there's
still at least one federal agent stationed ouoátside this house right now. >> erin no one knew tamerlan li everyone from the tsarnaevs' parents and aunts and uncles have been talking to the press, she has remained is there any specific stated idea why that is? >> reporter: jake, what i can tell you from being in kingstown, it's a very small town family and she has two younger sisters, her parents still livef the community have a lot of reall family and ao about katie. she doesn't herself remain wellommunity be away six time we've tried to talk to the fbigw about her basically said she has attorneys so she's not talking. and a lot of peopl this co say much either jake. >> erin mcpike, thank you. coming up we'll let youof a suspected terrorist. new tsarnaev and his uncle says he was brain-washed by a man who known a his brain, just brain-washed him completely. >> now misha is finally speaking out about his relationship with
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to become a muslim. >> tsarnaev was becoming increasingly strict in his muslim beliefs. his uncle has accused a mysterious man, only known of misha, of n 2009. the fbi has told cnnalled misha in rhode island. chris cheen carev books tracked down misha and he radically denies the tsarnaev radicalization. >> he was very very very intent on explaining he had nothing to radicalization radicalization. what he told me was, i was not his teacher. if i had been his teacher, i would have made sure he knew that doing something like this was wrong. >> not clear whether a other radars. the question is what role the mother played. y son? he was alive. >> a u.s.vy official tells cnn that russia intercepted a communication in 2011 between the suspect's mother and someone who yf her sons. they were discussing jihad. sources say she was added the u.s. terrorism database at the
same time as her son after the russians tipped off the u.s. 20011. >> the older brother had been radicalized, certainlytendenci didped bail on shoplifting and destruction ever property charges in 20012 and returned to dagestan. we know tamerlan travelled to time and whom he interacted with are now the target ofinvestigators. after he returned in july no longer keep his views to ls describe tamerlan tsarnaev as extreme and disruptive. last september aftert was okay forgside muslim hoan stood up and challenged that idea, then in january of this year after one preacher praised dr. martin luther king jr., tamerlan stood up and called the p a contaminating >> community members t and foremost who stood him what you're doing is wrong. next to you that you playrayed with that you sou capable of something of this nature just it goes beyond anything. determining what led tsarnaev down the path of
extremism and in some ways it's the most troubling. >> it does look like a lot of the radicalization was self-radical willization online. >> that goes along with what the younger broth cnn that one of the bombs found last week is very similar to a design found in an online magazine al qaeda affiliate.is is just in to cnn for the very first time. we're hearing the voice of an alleged terrorist, a new video is now circulatingr two, dzhokhar sar navy him being taken into custody or chased by police. it's cell phone video of the suspect before the bombings playingke my face? you burped in my face! out! >> no! >> getroom! >> no! >> i said get out! give me kiss.
no. give me a kiss. atta out. >> no get out. >> no okay okay okay. give me another kiss. >> that video was uploaded to tsarnaev's twitter page in march, the exact shot date unknown. tsarnaev in solitary confinement in the central part of massachusetts specializing in long-term medical care. his condition is said to have been stabilized and he is able to speak. he'stedly been interashgt acting with hospital itcases. backpacks. even plastic8 shopping bags. all of them chock-fsh. we'll find out what the cia got in return for paying offpresident hamid karzai. and later -- communication breakdown. the russians called the feds and told them they were watching tamerlan tsarnaev so why didn't anybody do anything to stop him? stay with us.
you'r looking s -- images of the makeshift memorial at copley square in boston in the back bay neighborhood. welcome back to "the tapper. we'll get back to the boston terrorism investigation in a most. the "new york times" is reporting that the cia -- this is a technical term -- quote made it rain in afghanistan. what does that mean? that means they dlir delivered bags of cash over the years to president har middle karzai's office in the hopes of gaining influence. karzai confirmed receiving the money during a tour o europe today. >> yes. the office of the national security adviser had beenhe
united states government for the past years,g amount though. used f various purposes. >> in fact karza own barbara starr, our pentagon reporter in 2010 the his office ju];st like iran was. now, while it's unclear whether president karzai has personally spent any of thisdevelopment certainly raises some serious questions about the in the afghanistan war. joining me now to discuss the implications is peter galbraith, a former u.s. a.m.mbassador and deputy united nations special representative in afghanistan, now at the center for arms control and nonproliferation. peter, nice to see you. i want your reaction. are you at all surprised by the news that the cia was dropping off bags of cash to president karzai's i wasn't totally surprised because it's the of we sometimes do but i think this is all very unwise and it's indicative of theproblems that we're facing in
afghanistan. here we are portraying har inging hamid karzai as the properly elected afghanistan. we're trying to fight corruption. and at the same time an agency of the government is dropping off millions of dollars, sometimes inpping bags to the president. no accounting clearly, being used for purposes maybe semigovernmental purposes bribing lawmakers. but with all the corruption swirling around the country, don't quite know whose pockets it's been going guess the big question is are we at least getting what we'revó >> p what we've been paying for in afghanistan is not with the millions of dollars that have been channeled to mr. karzai personally but with the $500 or $600 billion and the lives of americans and also the effort of our allies. a small-scale
payments to the president shouldn't b@áe the key issue. but if we're dealing with him, we have somebody who has accused us of working with the taliban has accused us of rigging the election that he mself stole, it's a bit bizarre. so the answer no we're not. one of the reasons we're doing it apparen is that the iranians are doing it and they're doing it the same y, bags. >> we should make clear, of course that you have a somewhat tumultuous karzai. you've accused him certainly nt of nowhere but of corruption and 2009 elections that were widely perceived as full of fraud, all of which you still stand by i assume well of course. he produced a million phony votes from the eppointed in the 2009 elections. his family there are allegations of surrounding his family and afghanistan its ranks as the third most corrupt country in the world by transparency international.
galbraith, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> jake good talking to you again. -- he's basketball teams, but now jason cal linsey is going down in the history books as the athlete if the united states to come out of the closet. one who plays a major team sport. and -- boston. we'll show you how contractors and investors are c after this tragedy. ♪ ♪ so hot right now that our designer ♪ ♪ sunglasses be foggin' ♪ ♪ this crowd is classic ♪ ♪ so we play 'em like rachmaninoff ♪ ♪ just hooked 'em up with score alerts ♪ ff like a score alert♪ ♪ beep beep what?♪ ♪if you set your phone to vibrate ♪ ♪ then i might alert your button flies all the ♪ ♪ girls and the guys wanna keep that credit score ♪ ♪ high like a private jet free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ don't forget ♪ narrator: offer applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.comu
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hy welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake to you live from copley square in boston. the money lead. if there's cash to made people will find ways to make it even after a tragedy. businesses using the boston terror attacks to their own advantage. the sports lead. active player in anygle merge sport come out while currently playing until now. this nba center is the center of attention after announcinghe's gay. and the buried lead. drawing fire. a political cartoon from "the sacramento bee" blaming texas policies for the tragic texas plant explosion. governor laughing. but is there any truth behind in our money lead, you've seen the surveillance footage and stills of the alleged boston marathon bombings. now companies in the monitoring industry see the oppority.
wire's contributing noah shactman compiled some of the most notable pr pitches like o waty this i1 was in a statement announcing their new video intelligence software quote, the boston marathon bombing has proven the need for realtime video and data anal cameras. fair gains for the companies or exploiting a trom new s for joining us. you did hear from some of the companies after your their reaction to your piece? >> their reaction was something along the lines of how dare you quote from our press release that we released to the could you do such a thing? >> obviously your suggestion is tragedy. howferent from what i'm doing right now? >> g not getting -- piling up contracts. you're justt you do with every new tragedy try 0 topile up more and more money. but it is differently. it is a faioxr question. these companies are trying to take advantage of a marketing opportunity. it's just a questio sleazy or not you believe that marketing opportunity to be.
>> now, s were directly involved in investigation. for example, irobot their machine investigated one of the suspects' cars. we saw a photograph of that. what's wrong with that company pointing that out? >> i don't think there's too much wrong with irobot from pointing that out. as you know 0 from your reporting afghanistan, sent thousands of robots ovservicemen's lives, they did some iston-based company. they're wannabes that offensive. so for example, there's a company called aon company that sent out aun releases about trk they're now because facial recognition caught the boston bombers. there's only one small problem with that. facial recognition did not catch the boston bombers. >> right. now, these companies are trying to get their names out there. but what about some of the large defense contractors? what do you think t in terms of >> they're more sophisticated so they'll take a more low-key approach. but you can bet that all the jor defense contractors, especially the ones that have work in homeland
video surveillance in intelligence analysis that's to say all of them are working the halls of congress, working the hallus armed services promoting their news broke last week every dude with a gas masky died to e-mail me. life part of the way these companies do business but it doesn't make it cool. >> noah shactman great story. thanks for joining us. we have breaking news on a record setting day on wall street. the s&p closed at an all-time high soaring past 1500 points and nasdaq at itsst levels in 12 years. this is all thanks to positive news that the housing market is still on the rebound, analysts say. april marks the fourth straight month in the investors. now it's time for our sports lead. the culture in the locker room
drove him deep into the closet but jason collins has come out of the closet. as the first openly gay athlete currently playing in a major american team sport, the story appears in next week's issue of "sports illustrated" owned by our parent company, and it begins with a big, bold powerful announcement. quote, i'm aey 34-year-old nba center, i'm black, and i'm gay. collins played last season right here with the boston celtics. he also played with the washington wizards. other pro athletes have revealed that they're gayn, but collins is the first man currently in a majorit. martina navratilova tweeted these good vibes to collins -- well done jason co a brave man and a big man at that. 1981 was the year for me. year for you. kind of an interesting comment, kind of reminding people thatg time ago. joining me now from california is rick welts, president and ceo of the nba's golden state he's gay president of the phoenix suns in 2011.
you might recding about that. and from washington, d.c. dave zerin sports writer for "the nation." rick let's start with you. you went through this very public process just a couple of years ago. what is your message to jason collins? >>ell, you think what happened very courageous thing. there's been a lot of anticipation a lot of buildup to who would be the first active player to taketory today, i was very moved by it obviously, you know touched by how difficult this path h been point in his life where this is important to him, and iook back this as a had historic day in men's team sports. >> rick when you came out of closet, did you think that would cause any current nba players to follow your lead? >> well, i don't know that you credit one with the othe i think that the problem for me at the time was there had been nobody in a position like mine who hadd to "take real barrier. you know jason face the same thing.layer had gone before him. he didn't have the benefit of seeing how people would react,
seeing what their experience would be. i really do think an incredibly courageous thing he did today. >> dave the first openly gay athlete in are major american sport currently play put this in perspectives as martina navratilova didn't sutley do how big of a story? >> anything that brings together kobe wishing jason collins well shows you. homophobia has been part of men's organized as long as they've been around. going back teddy roosevelt who defined men who didn't play football as sissees. it's always been if you want to play sports you have to be in the closet. this has shifted more with recent years with more straight athletes particularly in the nfl, speaking out on behalf of marriage equality and speakinghts of lgtb people. but to have an active player to do this, take this step there
are no words for how historic this is. >> dave we're seeing responses athletesp most of all welcoming. but mike wallace from the dolphins have apologized for a tweet that he sent out that said all these beautiful women and to mess with other guys. is tha athletes and most professional s going to be their reaction? or do you think it will mostly be greeted with support and frankly i've seen a lot of even from conservatives on twitter a lot of yawns, they don't think it's a big deal. >> it's one way of moving the goal post. i mean if you can't talk down jason collins, what uz try to do is take the air out of the message. but it's very very encouraging. it's been a abeautiful day to see so many people come forward and give jason collins love in so homophobic traditionally. kobe bryant caught years ago doing an anti-gay slur, now today for jason collins. it's athing. one commentator on espn said something very
espn did a little rant today. but even the response t"o him has been so strong it says something that we're in a new era in 2013. and the chris broussards of the world need to deal with it. >> dave for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. the russians reportedly had him on tape talking about jihad jihaded with his own mother. so why didn't the government do more to stop tamerlan tsarnaev? later, don't mess with texas. governor rick perry is furious over a cartoon, one that appeared in "the sacramento bee" bee." and it wasn't over something charlie brown said to lucy. here's some information that may be worth looking into. in a clinical trial versus lipitorterol to a goal of under 100. getting to goal is important especially if you have high cholesterol plus any of these risk factors because you could be at increased risk for plaque buildup in your arteries over time. and that's why when diet and exercise alone aren't enough to lower
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of the terrorist attacks here in boston attacks just two weeks ago today. we're live herey square in boston where many are still asking if there was any way this tragedy could have been prevented. in our politics lead today we ask this question is this a case of intelligence failure? it's an issue splittingzr congress. >> it's a failure tohare information and missing obvious warning siphons. we're going back to the pre-9/11 stove piping. >> i don't think we've seen any ofssues that predated 9/11. i think we've fixed a lot of those problems. >> let's try to bak through this. is this just p spin another blame game in washington blame this party, blame that part 88,y or is there more to it? we'll take answers from someone who was respointelligence keeping the information, agencies. joining me from washington is ambassador thomas mcnamara, manager from 2006 to 2009 for the information sharing a law in
2004 e, the intelligence terrorism pveion act a, in order to ensure that terrorism related information was shared effectively. and in a timely manner. ambassador thanks fort? joining us. so clear this up for us do we have a stove piping issue? are intelligence agencies still holding on to this information? have we taken a step back in terms of sharing? taken a step back anything like what we had in the case of 9/11 and even in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. starting i 2006 we actually created an information sharing st takes years to get that up and running. we're talking about an information sharing system that's international, national outte sector. and that information sharing system is functioning but not functioning as well as we'd like it to and certainly in the case of the boston tragedy not as well as it ought to have. there were mistakes made.
they're not mistakes of anything along the lines of or of the magnitude of what happened on 9/11 but nonetheless mistakes were made an it. >> i heard speculation by intelligence sources but no actual evidence. i'm wondering if you indication that the fbi did not take the warnings from the russian government seriously because they thought tsarnaev was only a threat to russia and not to the u.s. after all, the warning from the russian fsb, the succeeding agency to the kgb, was they were afraid he'd come to russia and join an underground organization. is that possible? have you heard anything along those lines? >> no. all will though i've read it, i'm not sure it's accurate. you'd have to ask the fbi. can talk to though the question and we've talked about this before many many times in this country connecting the dots. the mistakes were twofold i didn't connect the dots that we had. few though they might have been they were serious enough that they should have been connected. for example, the notification to
the fbi about this individual and then six months later another notification by the same russian intellige same individual. foreign -- a serious government and a serious foreign tell it jens agency telltit -- intelligence agency tells you twice in six months you should be looking at somebody it's more t just a it appears that that connection was not necessarily followed up on. another thing is that when a few months leaves:: the united states to visit precisely the area where the damage possibly was being ther indication. and when he comes back aft period six months is plenty o indoctrinated in the jihadist ideology if he wasn't before. and there are was already on the road so to speak. so by januaryf 2012 there were enoughhould have been connected. get connected. the people who were watching him come and go from the united
states in the immigration and appear not to have been aware of or were not sensitized to the information that the fbi and the cia had. that's what i mean by not connecting the dots. now, second and i think equally important and maybe not as much talked about, and that is the from what i understand in will all the reports coming out of boston the state and local police were not informed about what the fbi the cia, immigration and customs knew about this case. in other any dots. therefore, they weren't able to participate in this. now, if the fbi decided it wasn't really worth them following up it's very possible --now, and it's too late to ever know -- that feltsomething that since it in ick that they would lon. one of the advantages of connecting dots and fas passing that informatid!on on, you get and more possible asn't followed up.
and the main reason for that, and i here will be very critical of the fbi, among the federal the fbi has been known for many years for being the most reluctant to share information with state and local officials. and i have in my in government spent many years talking and working on t issues and continually there were expressions of sincere frustration on the part of state and local officials because they weren't getting the information that they them in the they could take ambassador mcnamara, thanks for joining to it the. we'll have you back to talk more about what needs to be done in the wake of this tragedy. coming up after a massive explosion kills 14 people in texas, a cartoon pins the blame on the state of texas. well that doesn't-n sit well
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qg now to a political cartoon targeting texas governor rick perry. the cartoon depicts governor perry boasting about loose regulations in texas on one side with the image of the fertilizer on the other side. business is itbooming. boom! it's by jack omen of the"the sacramento bee". mr. omen says he stands behind it, despite governor perryng in the senior writer for the dallas morning news.
wayne, i want your personal reaction of a resident of texas. did this cartoon was it too soon? >> didn't offend me. in west that morning, early that morning, the next day, saw the havoc, s the emotion that it caused for a lot of people. it was a heck of an experience an extraordinary tragedy. but if you believe that the cartoon is making fun of or was mocking the first responders and others who died then absolutely you're offended. and apparently some texans, a lot of texans felt mocking our responders so i want an aapology. i didn't take it that way. i took it as a newspaper saying you know you preach lax regulation and maybe we ought to look to see whether lax regulation contributed to this. >> and the taste factor aside, does jack omen the cartoonist have a point in term fz governor
perry's record on regulation in the state and worker safety? is there reason to believe that had anything to with this explosion? >> jake, those are two questions. one, you knowm. and i know rick perry has preached a lax or light regulatory climate here. he's gone to california. he's gone to other states and said come to texas, we have lower taxes, we have less regulation on at least ownerous regulation on business. in and to be. so that's clearly created and sustained an environment that's fairly light when it comes to regulation. on the jake there is no conclusion yet. the federal and state investigations are under way. we don't know whether this was have been stopped, would not have been prevented based on more vigorous. we do know that the regulation was pretty light, both federal and state. >> slater thank you so much. and we will be right back.
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that's it forjread "lead from copley square in boston. i'll leave you with wolf blitzer in "the situation room". >> much. the fbi enters the fam of tamerlan tsarnaev's widow. we go live to boston for the latest in the investigation the deadly boston marathon attacks. plus authorities interviewed the so-called2k man mysterious man the suspect's family may have inspired the massacre. and dzhokhar tsarnaev as we've never heard before. you'll hr his voice in gripping new video that just surfaced online. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."