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praised for soldiering through and maintaining his dignity. all those hiccups -- nothing to sneeze at. >> there we go. >> wow, that's a first. >> all i've heard today is hey, it's a hiccupping weather man. >> forecasting a 70% chance of scattered hiccups. >> here's your extended forecast. excuse me. >> new york. >> erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, we have new developments in the investigation of the boston bombings. "outfront" tonight, authorities have found a new and important clue. one specific clue on the bombs. plus, tonight, you'll hear the voice of tamerlan tsarnaev, what one of his boxing coaches told us today. and tamerlan's widow spent three hours at her lawyer's office today. we are learn iing right now abo that meeting.
let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. "outfront" tonight, new evidence in the boston bombing investigation. we have a new clue that could help solve this crime and tell us if anyone else is involved. plus, tamerlan tsarnaev, the dead suspect in his own words. tonight, all angles of the investigation "outfront" in boston. susan candiotti and brian todd on the investigation. in rhode island, erin mcpipe with the newe estimatioest info his widow. first, to susan candiotti in boston. another potential breakthrough for ininvestigatorininvestigato. tonight, you have new information about specific evidence in the case. >> that's right. we're learni ining about a new that at least one fingerprint
has been found on one of those bombs that was used during the boston marathon. now, at last word, there is no information about to whom that belongs, but of course, this could be a key piece of evidence for investigators as they put together their case. also at last check, we don't have any word as to whether there's been a match about that female dna that was also found on a part of one of the pressure cooker bombs. still looking into that as well, but that of course is another important piece of evidence, erin. >> and going to be crucial as we're awaiting that dna evidence to come back. i also know there has been talk about whether there's any potential conversations, discussions going on between prosecutors and the defense at this point about the punishment that will be out to dzhokhar tsarnaev. what are you learning about that? >> that there are very, very preliminary talks going on right now that could potentially lead to the suspect in this case
who's been charged, that's dzhokhar tsarnaev, to allow him to continue discussions with investigators. he hasn't really said anything substantive, but this could lead to them talking again in exchange for possibly taking the death penalty off the table. now, we are told this is a very common and standard practice. that these are not to be considered to be negotiations and that no deal has been offered, but that in fact is very preliminary talks have been going on for the past few days. >> thank you very much. and for the first time tonight, we are now hearing the voice of tamerlan tsarnaev. the brother who died after a shootout with police three days after the bombings. entertainment tonight has uncovered some footage from a documentary. >> tamerlan tsarnaev. >> are you excited? >> yeah.
why not? you know. >> brian todd is in boston tonight. tamerlan, he sounds hopeful, coc cocky, aggressive. you spoke today with one of his former boxing coaches. what did they say? >> they're just kind of contributing to some new questions as to whether the fizzling out of his boxing career may have contributed to him going down some kind of a dark path. i spoke to a guy names bob russow who coached tamerlan in 2009. the team that went to the national championships in salt lake city. tamerlan lost in those championships. that could have led potentially to a shot at olympic team, but the next year, they changed the rules on him and because he was not a u.s. citizen, they didn't let him on. here's my conversation with bob russo. >> a legal citizen of the united states to box in the national,
in the golden gloves int international. so they, national golden gloves decided they would not allow -- >> and that kill ed tamerlan tsarnaev's dreams of becoming an olympic boxer. there's at least one former boxing coach named john allen who believed it did. he told entertainment tonight he believes that setback did set him along ta past, but other coaches don't believe that's really the case. we know of other problems he had. the family had financial problems. he was arrested in 2009 for domestic assault. the family received welfare payments on and off for about ten years. his wife was receiving welfare payments, both federal and state
we welfare payments for her and her child, so most of last year including that six aponmonths t he was in russia, so a lot of setbacks in the end there. >> ten year of welfare payments, so then making a lot of people frustrated in this country. you know, also, you have new information on possible funeral plans for tamerlan and the big question is who's going to claim his body? what have you learned? >> we have learned tonight from the islamic society of boston, this is the mosque where both brothers attended for a period of time. that they have been contacted by the family, by an uncle, about making funeral arrangements for tamerlan. now, what this mosque says is that they have taken that request and passed it along to a service, an islamic service that does funeral arrangements and that will be processed by that service. it is not clear if the actual funeral will be presided over by the mosque where those two brothers attended. if it is, mosque officials tell us it will be prosided over --
because the top imams are not comfortable. so, if it turns out the islamic society of boston is going to preside over that funeral, it's going to be a layperson who does it. that's not clear at the moment and it's not clear if the funeral will be held in boston. >> thank you very much. as you all know, there have been so many questions about whether the intelligence community in the united states could have prevented the boston bombings. today, the president weighed in and defenned the agencies involved. >> based on what i've seen so far, the fbi performed its duties, department of homeland security did what it was supposed to be doing. >> joe johns is in washington tonight and the president said they did what they could and what they were supposed to be doing, but still, there is real concern. >> that's true. first talking to some people in
the intelligence community, there are those who say given the circumstances, the administration had to do a review. the president being very complimentary toward the federal agencies, but some inside the intelligence community, whether somebody missed something and it's important to say even though the fbi has taken some criticism, the director of national intelligence said he believes all the agencies involved took the appropriate steps. so the question, whether there was a breakdown either in the gathering of the information or analysis of the information, so how is it that the u.s. got tipped off by russia to check out one of the suspects in the boston bombing? fbi finds no derogatory information, then the same guy goes on to allegedly blow up the marathon. one expert asks whether a signal to noise problem, that simply there's so much information about potential terrorists coming in, it's hard for the interjensen community and fbi to figure out what's important.
>> everybody, hundreds of thousands, maybe more than a million people they're watching. authorities say tsarnaev was on two government watch lists before the attack. did you know there are at least six terror watch lists in america? is this smart of a sign of failure? plus, as american authorities hunt down the publisher of inspire magazine, reports say tamerlan tsarnaev used the magazine to build the bombs in boston. and amanda knox speaks out for the first time. what she says happened that night in italy. man: how did i get here? dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow. here's to good decisions.
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we are just hear frg the widow of tamerlan tsarnaev through her attorney and in her statement, something significant. her attorney says catherine russell wants her husband's remains. she wants the remains to be released to the family. the statement goes on to say, i'll quote, in the coming days, k ar katherine will continue to meet with law enforcement. the imams in boston are apparently refusing to hold a service for tsarnaev. we'll have more with erin who was with her today. as we try to find out whether there were any mistakes here, whether everything was done perfectly or not, did you know there are at least six terror watch lists in america? it's a statistic that deserves scrutiny after revelations that
tamerlan tsarnaev was on two of them before the attack. and there's a lot more than the six major watch lists we've counted. other government agencies have their own, but why are there so many? is this smart or is it big government gone bad? tom foreman is out front. >> a curious trip to russia, loud confrontations at a mosque, visits to radical websites and behavior that made even relatives disapprove. >> what i think was behind it, being losers. >> just some of that was enough to have tamerlan tsarnaev on at least one government watch list well before the boston bombings. rick nelson is an expert on these government databases. so why didn't the watch list prevent in this? >> it would be difficult for the watch list itself to stop the attack. it's just data. >> there are many watch lists in
government agencies and the names of both the older tsarnaev brother and his mother were on one called tie. a low level list of about 700,000 names. there is no active surveillance of people on tide. their names are kept in case they show up in connection with a more serious threat, then they may be bumped up, where their movements would be scrutinized more closely just in case an attack is in the works, but -- >> with these particular suspects, there's nothing they did that you know, suggested that they were going to do something like this. >> that is the problem. lone wolves like eric rudolph and the unibomber evaded capture for years. >> at the end of the day, it's
very difficult because with many of these individuals, we don't know when they're going to cross the line from rhetoric to violent action. >> security experts argue watch lists can still be valuable to investigators, tracking terror networks after an attack. but the fact the boston bombings were the work of someone already on a list is now in itself being looked at very hard. for "outfront," tom foreman, washington. >> "outfront" tonight, a former cia analyst who spearheaded t the -- operations team. seth jones is the associate director of the international security and defense policy center. great to have you with us. you've been out there looking for people. i just wanted to throw up a graphic. six major lists. you have tide list with more than 700,000 names.
you have another terrorist screening database with 423,000 names. tsarnaev was said to be on that list. then there's a select d list with 14,000 names. a no fly list with 10,000 names and the kill list, we don't know exactly how many names are on that. does it make sense to have all of these lists? >> so, look, i think most of these lists are to be used as references. they're not generating leads, open investigations. it depends on how they're used. they can be useful just as a resource for some organizations, but again, i'm not exactly sure how all of those databases interact at this point. >> and i guess that's a big point. let's talk about the tide list in particular. the big one. 700,000 names. helpful? >> look, i think it's helpful to have a list of people who come under suspicion, whether they're by u.s. agencies or foreign agencies overseas in the tamerlan case with the russians,
but that really doesn't mean anything in the case of open ended cases. that may be an issue with this case. obviously, they're going to have reasons for all of these lists, right? i would bet there's a reason to have more than one list. there may not be a reason to have how ever many lists they have. how do we draw the line between something that's necessary and something that becomes clerical busy work, where you have people on these lists and should have been on surveillance, who end up committing terrorist acts. >> i think at least my, based on my own experience in u.s. special operations, at some point, if there is little corroborating evidence then over time, there should be relatively straightforward ways to get people's names off the list. that does become a problem and once somebody's name gets on several of these lists, it becomes very difficult to get off. regardless of whether there's information or not. >> right and that raises another problem. you have a list of 700,000
people on it. not every one of them is going to go commit a terrorist act. but you have a tamerlan tsarnaev name on there, because there's 700,000 people, you're not actually looking at him. >> right. whether or not there's an expiration date for how long the names should be on there, that's a good conversation to have, but at this point, having the database for fbi agency, even cbp, it's incredibly useful. this is actually a great example because if you look at the fact that what we now know, according to report, that the fbi closed their case, but yet he was flagged by the cia later on. so, having, having this in there, it could generate some trigger or lead if we had the infrastructure to do something like that, it would be useful. >> now, seth, does it prevent though, on the same level you have someone on the list who did something we could have caught,
it's unclear if there were any mistakes made, but if you've got so many lists coming out of the u.s. government that you become a slave to the list. i'm only going to look at the list, then miss somebody that's not on the list. the list can be bad both ways. >> that's a very good point. i think part of the issue that we have with this case is especially if there were some family members that were aware of radicalization, what is our community engagement strategy like, especially with law enforcement and muslim communities, for example. we've seen in several cases with a alexandria five in virginia, there were concerned individuals that went to the fbi through nongovernmental organizations and said we've got a jihadist problem here. we've got kids going to pakistan radicalized. that did not happen here. that's more than just a list. that's also our ability to have some systematic engagement. >> and a bombing on a train in canada was caught because some people came forward.
thanks very much to both of you and please let us know what you think about this. a lot of you on twitter orp are engaged with it. >> and still to come, officials say the boston bombers may have learneded how how to carry out the attacks by a magazine and tonight, hunting for the editors and almost eight months after a terrorist attack in libya, the gop says people with new information about what happened that night are being blocked by the administration. the president has responded to the accusations add up.
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officials are searching for the people behind the propaganda magazine. authorities believe the suspected boston marathon bombers may have used the online publications which includes sections like a hit list and a how to, including how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. nick robertson has more with how this magazine may be fuelling deadly plots against the united states of america. >> as al-qaeda terror trading in u.s. drone strikes, so the radicals hone their online training. in 2010, publishing the inspire magazine. propelling them to leaders in cooking up jihad at home. issue one devoted ten of its pages to bomb making. glossy propaganda written in english to inspire a generation of english speaking radical want
to bes. instructions showing step by step details on making a pressure cooker bomb, available to anyone through radical islamists to right wing extremists, who themselves have had a -- for cooker bombs. more issues followed. issue nine early 2012, suggests targeting sporting events. in 2011, suggested using a car. the ideas sounded outlandish. riggeded a car using a cocktail of explosives similar the to inspire magazine instructions and another apparently lone wolf attacker followed yet another inspire recipe. before he was arrested in 2011.
it's modern magazine style came courtesy of its creator and editor in chief, an american living yemen, samir khan, a member of al-qaeda's yemen franchise. al-qaeda and the arabian peninsula. he once boasted i am proud to be a traitor to america. les than two years after issue one hit the streets, he was dead. killed in yemen september 30rd, 2011 in a u.s. drone strike. issue 12 was published last year. there has been nothing since. >> still to come, tamerlan tsarnaev's widow spent three hours at her lawyer's today. what she's saying to be the about her husband's remains. plus, amanda knox, the american college student convicted of murdering her roommate, speaks out for the first. her version of what happened that gruesome night. switch to citracal maximum plus d.
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines and we start today with the president who said he's going to continue to push on his promise to close guantanamo bay today. the president also stopped at the notion of continuing to keep inmates at gitmo and quote unquote perpetuity. >> the idea that we would still
maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried, that is contrary to who we are. it is contrary to our interests and it needs to stop. zwl now, the. >> now, the president's talked before to lift restrictions to other places, but that depends on congress and a former attorney tells "outfront" the president will have to quote quell the concerns of lawmakers that the detainees won't be transferred to federal prisons in their district. in the meantime, the president has depended on drones to take on militants. according to a new report, hurricane sandy caused 11 billion gallons of sewage to overflow. the non-profit behind the study puts it this way. this is pleasant. 11 billion gallons would be like filling central park with sewage 41 feet high.
that's a lot of -- a third of that overflow is untreated raw sewage. the rest was partially treated, if that makes you feel any better. waste water consultant john shaw tells us time will likely kill the pathogens in the sewage, but some could pose a risk now. okay. two months after yahoo!'s ceo banned employees from working from home, she is now doubles maternity leave. she went back to work just two weeks after giving birth. we looked a t the way things are for most americans and even among working mothers, only 16% of mothers on that list get anywhere near what yahoo! is offering. that's a pretty generous benefit. it has been 635 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? some good news today. this week, we found out the u.s. treasury is going to pay down debt for the first time in six years. it's only one quarter and thanks
to tax receipts because they come in in april. still the first time this has happened in a long time, so we celebrate it. one man being hailed a hero in the aftermath of the boston bombings is speaking out now for the first time on television. the man the tsarnaev's allegedly carjacked. the chinese immigrant known as danny helped lead the police to brothers. he went to the gas station and made the call. with his voice altered, he told john miller how he escaped. >> i was counting, one, two, three, four, i just -- do it. did it. and i can feel tamerlan trying to grab me. >> he's reaching out. >> yeah. >> and now, you're running. >> i was running. i was just running as fast as i can and never, never look back. >> danny insisted despite doing that, and running and trying to get help, when tamerlan tsarnaev
had a gun and said he was going to kill him, he insisted he wasn't a hero. >> i don't think i'm a hero, you know, because what i was trying to do was just trying to save myself. i did something, probably did something good and i think the police, they are the hero. they exchange the gunfire with those bad guys. i think they are the heroes. >> and now back to our developing story tonight. tamerlan tsarnaev's widow has just released a statement, that she wants her husband's remains to be released to the tsarnaev family. today, she was there for more than three hours and erin continues to cover this angle outside the russell family home in rhode island. what more did her attorney say about her husband? >> reporter: well, as we know,
earlier today, she was at her attorney's office and she was meeting with federal investigators. she was there for about three hours. now, in this statement her attorneys just released, they say and i'll read this to you, in the coming days, katherine will continue to meet with law enforcement and provide as much assistance to the investigation as she can. now, erin, here's another thing i want to tell you about this statement. the attorneys also have said that the massachusetts medical examiner's office is preparing to release the remains of tamerlan tsarnaev and katie russell says she wishes those remains were released to the family. to that end, just about two hours ago, i was again outside her attorney's office in downtown providence and i ran into uncle ruslan, the uncle of tamerlan and dzhokhar. he called his nephews quote, losers. when i tried to speak to him, he
said he was not really in the mood to speak. he wish ed that we would respec his feelings, erin. >> all right, erin, thank you very much. reporting from rhode island and interesting there. there are so many questions. now, it's been well, it's been weeks. another meeting with her attorneys, russell has remained mostly out of sight, but is said to be cooperating. i want to bring in mark garrigos. originally law enforcement officials said they had several major questions about this case and one was how is it possible for the wife which lived in this small apartment, to not have any idea that her husband was experimenting with bombs and explosives lying around the apartme apartment. that was a big question they had. they've done nothing in charging
her, arresting her. does that exonerate her? >> no, i wouldn't say it exonerates here by any means. in fact, one of the things, techniques you run into with the feds, we often joke that even the mafia spares the women and children. the feds will bring the wives or the spouses in and in this case, i can see where if she's cooperating, why in the world would you arrest first and ask questions later. they may want to get as much information as they can. they may have assured the lawyers she's not a target, but she's under the federal targets, a subject or just a witness. and they're going to try and get as much information as they want because as you said, you had indicated, there are a lot of questions and obviously, they want to answers and they want to run to ground any kind of leads and having to do with anybody who may have also been involved. not just what she saw or whether she saw something and didn't do anything, but whether somebody else was involved. >> let's just say, who knows whether involved or not.
they think they can get information out of her that's useful in this. would they make a deal with her and say look, we think you were involved, but we're not going to because you can give us other valuable information, could they do that? >> absolutely. it happens all the time in the justice system. somebody's either given immunity, you could be coming in under what's called a queen for a day, where you're told anything you say won't be used against you, so yes, those things could happen. there could be an agreement already inked and signed. you just don't know. it's all speculation, what we do best on cable. but ultimately, they could have gotten something from her they thought was valuable enough to trade for immunity. >> but then what happens? took the dna out of her family home yesterday and said they found female dna on one of the
bombs, no link between the two, but if they were to find there was and the public finds out about it, this woman was given immunity, that's tough. >> well, yeah, opens yourself up to a lot of criticism, i suppose, but most of this is speculation. just don't know. if they did give immunity now and that was normally what happens is they're not going to, the federal system, they generally will not give immunity until they've got a pretty good idea of what's going to be said. and if she said she's got in involvement and she was lying, they can come down with the full force of the u.s. government on her. >> at this point, we have no idea whether that was any involvement whatsoever. >> thank you. for the first time, amanda knox is telling her side of the story. knox and her former boyfriend spent four years in prison and their convictions were thrown out, but in a dramatic ruling
last year, italy's high court threw out that decision and ordered another trial. >> in a glossy rollout timed to the release of her new book, amanda knox is breaking her silence on the pages of "people" magazine and a prime time special on abc. >> i was in the courtroom when they were calling me a devil. i mean, it's one thing to be called certain things in the media and it's another thing to be sitting in a courtroom, fighting for your life while people are calling you a devil. >> knox, then an american college student in italy, spent nearly four years in prison after she and her italian boyfriend were convicted of murdering merediknox's roommate. knox was dubbed a femme fatal. this is how she responds to diane swauier. >> devil with an angle face.
>> i've heard the jest of them and they're wrong. >> in "people," the 25-year-old speaks candidly about life in prison. >> one of the things, she has a family photo album and she's so lonely, she's caressing the pictures. >> so lonely, she thinks about suicide. >> she talked about would she do it in the shower, there's a little window in the shower and it would be all fogged up and no one would see here. she woul bleed to death and it would be a peaceful death. >> then a dramatic turn of evidence involving bad evidence, knox was set free and returned home to seattle. >> thank you to everyone who's believed in me, who has defended me. >> on why she's talking now, she says i'm not a murderer, but not
latest twist, italy's highest court has ordered a retrial. >> what was your reaction when you heard the decision? >> it was incredibly painful. i felt like after crawling through a field of barbed wire and finally reaching the end, it just turned out it was the horizon and i had another field of barbed wire that i had ahead of me to crawl through. >> and still to come, almost eight months after the terrorist attack on the american consulate in libya, house republicans are say i saying state department officials are blocking and testifying about missteps. but the president said today about this so-called intimidation and whether it adds up. plus, something historic just happened in europe that hasn't happened in more than 120 years. so why don't more people care?
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it has been nearly eight months since four americans were killed in the benghazi attack. there have been no significant arrests. none. one person for questioninging. house republicans are investigating and say the state department is effectively blocking its own employees who know important information from speaking out and testifyi intes. dana bash is "outfront" tonight. >> the president appeared to be caught flat footed. >> i'm not familiar with this notion that anybody has been blocked from testifying. >> he may not be familiar, but there's a high stakes tug of war going on between the state department and gop house oversight chairman, darrell issa. according to one attorney involved, at least four employees, three at the state department and one at the cia, apparently want to talk to congress about the administration's handling of the benghazi situation, but much of that information is classified. a veteran attorney says she
can't get answers on how to advise her client. >> when my client cannot give me all the information because the state department will not give a process for my being cleared. >> the state department suggests it is up to the employee to ask. >> we're not aware of any employees who have requested security clearances for attorneys in connection with benghazi. >> but she arguing the client is afraid to ask. >> i have to protect my client and i'm not going to let my client go to people in the state department and expose himself or herself without my being able to be with that person and if i'm not cleared, i can't be with the person. >> so it's the chicken or an egg. >> and the state department's playing games with that kind of language. >> has he or she felt threatened? >> if you're going to talk away somebody's job or living, that's a threat. a kind of a threat. >> and your client has been told their job or living will be
taken away if they come forward? >> in a more subtle way. they just put somebody in an office and say we just don't have an assignment for you. >> the state department denying anyone is is threatened. secretary of state john terry reiterated a promise to help congress get answers. >> we have to demythologize this issue and certainly depoliticize it. american people deserve answers. >> reporter: darrell issa plans to hold a public hearing next wednesday and is hoping to have the state department client testify. but that won't happen unless she can fully advise her client, including about information that's classified. erin? >> thank you. now stephanie miller and our contributor, reihan salam. according to one of the attorneys here, four state department and cia employees, at least four, make sure i'm saying this correctly. are being intimidated and blocked from cooperating with the congressional investigation to what happened in benghazi. it's not a small allegation. >> that's right. it's also part of a larger
pattern. you see this in the bush administration, you see it in the obama administration as well. you have very aggressive leak prosecutions in the national security space, including, for example, an nsa agent, thomas drake, who leaked to a baltimore sun reporter that you had bloated budgets in the nsa. now he's facing potentially a stiff prison term. when you talk about aggressive treatment towards whistleblowers in national security, you are ahe not just seeing it on benghazi. are you seeing it elsewhere as well. >> here we are eight months since the attack on the consulate in benghazi, as we know. yet the administration had an indication within 24 hours of who was responsible for the attack from intercepted cell phone calls that they had. we now know that. at this point, you don't have people in jail or anyone being held accountable and this does seem absurd. the ambassador was killed, other americans were killed, and the group that the cia intercepted celebrating the attack has actually subsequently been paid to provide security in benghazi. it is fair, right, to have deep frustration with the fact that
it seems no one may ever be held accountable. >> well, yes, there are some questions and the investigation's not complete, but is there anything that doesn't give lindsey graham the vapors at this point? to me, this is part of this obama derangement syndrome. doesn't matter if it's benghazi, the boston bombing, libya, it's always the president's fault, he's always done something wrong, they always demand answers immediately. do you know how many of these happened on george bush's watch? i mean, you know, the fact is there was confusion that night and there was an investigation that was ongoing, and i just don't think this is -- everything is watergate to them. >> the problem with this line of analysis is when you look at lindsey graham or john mccain, these are two of the three senators calling for an independent commission to investigate what happened. these are also two republicans who broke ranks with many other republicans to defend president obama on national security. for example, with regard to the campaign in libya. these are folks who have been very happy to actually say that president obama made the right
call in many cases. so the fact that they're actually saying now look, wait a second, we don't know everything that happened, let's actually throw more resources out, figure it out, because this is not the last time this is going to happen. and given that we still haven't made any arrests, that we haven't made the kind of progress that a lot of americans expect, it seems reasonable to try to figure out piece by piece what happened. >> reihan, somebody at the president's press conference today cited lindsey graham again, i believe this one was the boston bombing. there's always -- >> he is also a champion of the president's immigration reform effort and much else. lindsey graham faces stiff challenges in a primary in his own state for actually working with the president on many issues. so he is taking a stance on this issue because it matters. >> it is part of the problem here, perhaps, stephanie, far from the state department, the administration or anyone else, actually has to do with the fact the american administration, whatever it might have been, democrat or republican, is impotent here. i want to play what the president said after the attack.
there's an important two words in here. here's what he said. >> make no mistake, we will work with the libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. >> the two words being the libyan government, stephanie. which we don't even know what it is at this point and working with them and having to work on their territory may make this impossible. maybe about the libyan government. >> well, i mean, it reminds me of the beginning, everybody saying oh, they said it was the video. well, the fact is this ridiculous video caused a lot of unrest across the entire middle east and it may have been part of what started the trouble there. you know, the fact that they ascribe every like horrible motive to the obama administration no matter what it is, the fact is what secretary of state clinton said at the time is true. americans are dead, what difference does it make at this point what happened when and who said what word. >> wait a second. i think we definitely know that it wasn't a video. we know this was a terrorist
attack. a, i think there's not a lot of dispute about that. b, the reason it matters is our personnel are vulnerable not just there but elsewhere and they are going to be vulnerable in the future. that's why we need to learn from this experience. >> and hold people accountable. we'll talk to you both again about this. thank you. still to come, something happened today that hasn't happened in 123 years. so why don't more people care about it? but it may not be because the economic climate has changed. the old rules don't apply. so the investments she thinks are safe... are not. bny mellon wealth management helps you understand today's hidden risks, prepare for tomorrow's, and retire without compromise. are you ready? bny mellon wealth management invested in your future.
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a big day in the netherlands as the country inaugurated its new monarch. actually, it was yesterday. william alexander was crowned king after his mother abdicated. netherlands' first king in 120 years. that explained the lavish celebrations with people filling the streets, wearing giant orange crowns, the color of the dutch royal family, and even dressing up as the king and new king and queen. yeah. there were also a number of the world's other royal heirs in attendance all decked out for the others to see who was the best dressed. but outside the country, it wasn't front page news and dutch expats didn't cram the bars to watch coverage. according to the "washington post" at the dutch embassy in washington, just 700 dutch americans are expected at tonight's watch party on tape delay. tape delay? a whole day and night later? even the dutch in america don't care enough to watch this live? this is a far cry from when millions of americans tuned in
to see prince william mary kate middleton. could it be that americans only like the british royal family or could we be ending our love affair with royalty all together? as ridiculous as the idea of a monarchy is, there is something fun about it, too. even though we don't seem to care about royalty anymore, there is something about these relics of the past that still captivate us. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, everyone. there is breaking news tonight. new reporting tonight on what the dead bombing suspect may have been doing in russia while under russian surveillance. we're also learning that the government may already be thinking about taking the death penalty off the table for the younger suspect. you will meet his new lawyer, who specializes in saving the worst killers from the ultimate punishment. later, spike lee, film maker, big basketball fan. he's not known for holding back, either. he joins me to talk about jason collins' decision to become the nba's biggest story in pro sports first openly gay male athlete. >