tv The Final Days CNN September 29, 2013 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
that goes deep. this is the heart of the american dream, love it or hate it, this is it. ♪ good evening, i'm anderson cooper. it's been more than four years since michael jackson's death and katherine jackson lost her son and his children lost the father. who is ton are the death of michael jackson? the family believes concert promoter aeg live is to blame and. eg live says it was jackson's own decisions that led to his decision. it now rests in the hands of 12 californian jurors. don lemon reports. >> christmas. >> exactly. >> what does christmas mean?
what does christmas mean. >> love? >> love what? >> family. >> who is your family? >>. >> you and me and people who love you. >> it was a side of michael jackson the world had rarely seen until now. for months a jury inside this courtroom has watched private home videos. seen personal photos and listened to expert testimony and from family and friends. now it's up to jurors to decide whether aeg live is responsible for the death of michael jackson. michael jackson's mother cath ring and his children filed an 18-page complaint against aeg live the company behind his planned this is it concert. before the trial began i spoke to kevin boyle about the family's lawsuit.
why are they suing aeg? >> what i can tell you about the lawsuit it's simple and that aeg defendants are negligent in their hiring or supervising of conrad murray which led to the death of many jackson. >> guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. >> conrad murray is appealing his conviction. he was convicted of giving jackson a deadly dose of propofol. if they found aeg is also liable it could cost the company a lot of money. alan duke has been covering it since his death.
>> they worked with major artists for decades to estimate what would michael jackson possibly be with a reasonable certainty have earned had he not died june 25th, 2009. from touring and merchandise sales just on the this is it tour would have been $1.5 billion. >> this isn't his final days. >> aeg live attorney michael putnam believes it is about one thing and one thing only. did they negligently hire murray. as the trial got under way he told me that the company never even employed murray. >> had he been hired by aeg he wasn't hired negatively. no indications that there was a problem with dr. conrad murray. it isn't that you hired but knowing that there was a problem. and they had no indication that there was a problem with conrad
murray. >> sonny hossen. >> it's pretty interesting. listen, we didn't pick conrad murray. he had a history of drug abuse. and he chose the person that would help him with his addiction. >> i spoke with aeg's president randy phillips three years ago about similar allegations. he said the decision to hire conrad murray and pay him $150,000 per month was solely michael's choice. >> he stared at me with this very deep stare and he said you don't understand. my body is what fuels this entire venture. and, like barack obama, i need my own physician with me 24/7, okay. that's not negotiable. >> phillips believed michael had a very personal reason for
taking on the scheduled 50 concerts. >> i said, why now? because i had been chasing him to come out of retirement and get on the stage and perform live for three years. this was, you know, like a mission of mine. a quest. and he said to me, very interesting, was very poignant, he said, i'm doing it now because my kids are old enough to appreciate what i do. >> michael's children have played a major role in this case. his oldest son prince took the stand in june. >> he made an impact on the jury perhaps most importantly in humanizing the loss of michael jackson as a father. he describeded life, the birthday party, he described the fun and he described the sadness and the jury listened closely. >> the kids saw their father as
he lay livness in his bedroom. since his death their lives have gradually become more open to the public. after years of hiding behind masks and being guarded from the media by their father there's no question that all who saw him with his children during the years he had them that he was a loving, caring, attentive father carrying his children with him to meetings, traveling the world with them. it was pretty clear in the testimony that they were his world. >> good night, daddy. ♪ >> jackson's attorneys introduced pictures and videos into evidence giving jurors a rare look at michael and his children behind the scenes. also on the witness list, daughter paris jackson. but then -- >> more breaking news this hour. >> more drama in the jackson
family. >> paris jackson, the 15-year-old daughter of pop icon michael jackson was rushed to a hospital in los angeles. ♪ >> paris jackson was supposed to come into court and testify in person. however, just over a month into the trial and before she would be called, she tried to kill herself. >> there's no question about that, that his daughter, paris jackson, was absolutely devastated by his death, so much so that she tried to kill herself. >> while paris underwent treatment throughout the summer, jurors continued to find out more about michael's last few months. >> this jury has had a front row seat literally to a very intimate show revealing the pain and life and the joys of being michael jackson and his family.
>> the best defense sometimes, lawyers think, is blame the victim. but it has to be part of the defense here and it has to be michael jackson was addicted to drugs way before we got involved with him. >> michael, michael. >> michael. >> the defense tried to paint michael jackson as a drug addict. >> they brought out a long parade of doctors, who had given michael painkillers or had used propofol on michael jackson. he was a grown man and as a grown man he knew precisely what he was doing. and so that's why the drug abuse could be relevant and reeled to that many people in mr mr. jackson's life have indicated that one of the reasons for his ongoing addiction, one of the places where it became really, really a problem for him was in 1993 around the time of the first accusations about him and a
young boy and then again later in mid-2000 around the time of his trial. >> fame, drugs, manslaughter, coming up, the jacksons are forced to relive the painful memories of losing the pop icon they lioved. >> no one in the world is happy about having a family member die and pursue a lawsuit about it and particularly when children are involved. it's just not a happy thing. >> but next -- >> he's not breathing? >> yes, he's not breathing. >> the day the world lost an icon. >> he's on the bed. >> let's get him down to the floor. we'll have to do cpr nour. >> and the events that led to his death. [ male announcer ] campbell's angus beef & dumplings.
[ male announcer ] every thought... every movement... ♪ ...carefully planned, coordinated and synchronized. ♪ performing together with a single, united purpose. ♪ that's what makes the world's leading airline... flyer friendly. ♪ (nervous) (screaming) "never again grace elizabeth" life insurance from new york life can help your family keep good going. when she's happy, she writes about bunnies. when she's sad, she writes about goblins. [ balloon pops, goblin growling ] she wrote a lot about goblins
as the sun rose, inside the entertainer began june 24th, 2009 doing what he loved. preparing for a show. he's and i would start and dance a few hours and stretch. >> you have to have a full attitude. have you a half attitude. >> travis payne was his choreographer. >> i know we were eight days away from leaving for london. >> the stage is where michael was most at ease. on stage there was no one
better. since age 5 he had electrified audiences around the world with hit songs like "i want you back". and the world appeared ready to welcome him back. it had been 12 years since his last major performance. the king of pop was poised to regain his throne. >> this is it. this is the final this is the final curtain call. >> michael was to perform 50 concerts over a five-month peter. >> but was he up to the challenge? both michael and aeg had a lot on the line. >> after so many years of being
out of the spotlight a lot of people were wondering if he could pull this off. >> this is it, and see you in july. >> there were questions about whether jackson was ready. kenny ortega the director for "this is it," called a private meeting at jackson's home. aeg's ceo randy phillips attended the meeting. >> kenny was concerned he wasn't coming to enough rehearsals, it was taking it a little too nonchalantly. and michael explained that he needed kenny to build the house, and then he would come in and paint the front door. >> often the afternoon of june 24th jackson arrived at the staples center in downtown los angeles. rehearsals for "this is it" often ran late into the night. on the surface, the man many say was born to perform never looked better.
but beneath the surface concerns from the very moment the concert tour was announced. jackson was pushing himself to the brink. >> i was thinking how is he going to do these shows? >> record producer rodney jerkins. >> 50 dates at 50 years old? that's a lot of dates. and i was -- i kept thinking, i hope he gets a physical trainer, someone to really work him out, make sure he's healthy and prepared. >> jermaine jackson says his little brother was ready. >> i mean he could have did 200 shows. >> i talk ed ed to jermaine following a band rehearsal. >> i felt that he could do it because of the way the shows were spaced out and it wasn't like every day. ♪ see, like when we first started we were doing one-nighters where every day you're in a different
place, riding the bus and you're sleeping on top of each other. that's tough. but this was -- and you didn't have to take the stage now you were in one location. >> i think that night he finally accepted down deep in whatever the inner reaches of an artist's soul are that he could do this. walk tock our cars. and he put his arm around me at the staples center and he said, "thank you for getting me here. now i know i can do it and take it from here." >> but hours later. >> he's not conscious. [ sirens [. >> a 50-year-old man in distress. that man was michael jackson. >> there were rumors. >> he was apparently administered cpr in the ambulance. >> fans around the world hoped and prayed.
but he would not survive. >> my brother, the legendary king of pop, michael jackson, passed away on thursday, june 25th, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. >> the los angeles county coroner would rule jackson's death a homicide. the cause of death acute pr propofol. murray would be charged with involuntary manslaughter. coming up, what happened in the final hours of michael jackson's life? and who was responsible? we got the ball rolling. in cities across the country, coca-cola joined with communities and local leaders to roll out a summer filled with activity. from atlanta to l.a., people all over
found that getting moving can be fun. in fact, it can be a day at the beach! all in all, we inspired three million people to rediscover the joy of being active. now, let's keep it going all year long and make a difference... together. retirement solutions from new york life can help you keep good going.
♪ male narrator: there's something positive being generated in california. when ordinary energy is put in the hands of extraordinary people, amazing things happen. the kind of things that drive us to do more, to go further, to be better. we're dedicated to being a company you can count on, because you've always been customers we believe in. your energy plus ours. together, there's no limit to what we can achieve.
center stage. a jury of seven men and five women took their seats. ryan smith was watching. >> it's that someone lost their son their brother, the father. >> david walgren laid out the prosecution's case. >> michael jackson trusted his life to the medical skills of conrad murray. that misplaced trust in the hands of conrad murray cost michael jackson his life. >> to help prove their case prosecutors presented two very different portraits of the pop legend. ♪ from a vibrant singer, dancer and entertainer on stage to a completely different person behind the scenes.
>> to michael jackson -- >> then midway through opening arguments, a stunning moment. >> the voice of michael jackson has he had never been heard before. >> i can't believe my hero -- when people leave my show, i want them to say he's the greatest entertainer in the world. >> jackson sounded fragile, impaired, incapable. >> you may be seated. >> and that's just what kenny ortega feared. he was directing the most anticipated show in decades. with a star he feared wasn't up to it. but murray insisted he was in charge of his health. >> he said i should stop being an amateur doctor and allow michael's health to him. >> those were the words of conrad murray?
>> that was close. >> on june 25th that meant helping jackson get to sleep. based on the affidavit it began with a ten-milligram anti-anxiety drug. murray told preliminaries he tried another drug, a sedative. that didn't work either. he told investigators he gave him 20 milligrams of propofol finally putting jackson to sleep. but soon after all hell broke loose. to describe the scene firsthand. >> alberto alvarez -- >> walgren turned to one of the first men to rush into his bedroom. >> he was laying on his back with his hands extended out,
observed his eye was slightly open or were opened and his mouth was open. >> alvarez said murray was frantic and vague about jackson's condition. >> i asked dr. conrad murray what happened? and he said, he had a reaction. he had a bad reaction. >> in the midst of the chaos, alvarez spotted jackson's children in the doorway. >> and they were right behind me and paris screamed out, daddy. dr. conrad murray said, don't let them see their dad like this. >> we heard about paris breaking down very powerful visual. >> jim moret is chief correspondent for "inside edition." >> from the perspective of a juror and as a parent, can you imagine seeing your own father lying there most likely dead with his eyes wide open. >> we have a gentleman here that
needs help and he's not breathing. he's not breathing and we need -- we're trying to pump him but he's not -- >> okay. >> finally at 12:22 p.m. alvarez called 911. as they waited for an ambulance, murray asked alvarez for more help. >> he reached over and grabbed a handful of vials and reached out to me and said, here, put these in a bag. >> when mar medicparamedics arr withheld critical information. >> did he ever say he administered propofol to michael jackson? >> he never mentioned the word propofol. >> not mentioning propofol, not keeping medical records, throwing vials in bags. the prosecution was painting a picture of a doctor with plenty to hide. by day six they would make clear
that murray may have been distracted. >> my name is nicole alvarez. >> michele balda. >> three women described as murray's girlfriends. one nicole alvarez had a son with murray and even once met his famous patient. >> how did it come about that you got to meet michael jackson? >> i'm still trying to figure that out myself. >> what is confusing about it? >> because it's michael jackson. >> it makes it sound like this is part of his game. hey, i'm going to take you over to meet michael jackson. it made him sound like a cad. instead of having his eyes on his patient he has these eyes on all these beautiful women >> on the day of jackson's wife records show he talked to all three women, in fact, prosecutors say he was on the phone for 47 minutes during the exact time he should have been carefully monitoring his patient.
a patient to whom murray supplied a deadly stockpile of drug. >> lorazepam -- >> on day seven d.a. walgren added into evidence each vial and bottle found at jackson's house. one after another. >> removing contents. he was previously each individually -- >> to take a patient with valium, lorazepam and propofol and to leave them unattended in that state is medical abandonment. >> jackson was officially pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. june 25th, 2009. a direct result of mistakes, delays and recklessness by dr.
conrad murray. when we come back, conrad murray speaks for himself. (vo) you are a business pro. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. (aaron) purrrfect. (vo) meee-ow, business pro. meee-ow. go national. go like a pro.
as david walgren portrayed him as reckless. >> he abandoned michael when he needed help. >> then on day nine, for the first time jurors heard murray's own voice and his version of events in a police interview recorded just days after jackson's death. >> conrad robert murray. >> it was jackson, murray said, who told him all about propofol and insisted he use it to ease jackson's crippling insomnia. >> he knew that that was the only thing that worked for him. i constantly cautioned him. >> cautioned him and claims murray tried to wean him from the drug, still jackson pressed
for propofol on the day he died. >> he said, i can't function if i don't sleep, so i agreed that i would switch over to the propofol. >> then murray said he sat at jackson's side. >> i monitor ed him, saw his oxygen saturation was stable. heart rate, everything looks stable. then i needed to go to the bathroom. i came back his bedside and i was stunned in the sense that he wasn't breathing. >> dr. murray not only admitted he gave michael jackson propofol in the hours before jackson died but said, oh, sure, i've been giving it to him for weeks every night for 60 days so conrad murray's statement was critical because he gave -- it gave the police and the prosecutor everything they needed to charge him with a crime. >> to finish his case prosecutor david walgren turned to conrad
murray's colleague. >> shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god. >> i do. >> three doctors, three specialties, one conclusion. >> extreme deviation -- >> a far deif jason. >> egregious violations in the standard of care. >> dr. stephen schafer who wrote the book literally on propofol counted 17 egregious violations of conrad murray any of which could result in death. >> the lack ofelectrocardiogram gram. >> to monitor the breathing -- sflrs failure to call 911. >> yes. >> it was four days on the stand that left jurors fascinated and murray shaken. finally, after 16 days and 33 witness -- >> the people are prepared and would ask to rest at this time. >> it was conrad murray's turn to convince a jury. >> all the defense has to do is show reasonable doubt so if they
show you one alternative that's plausible to you, then essentially dr. murray could be acquitted. >> ed chernoff had laid out that alternative days before in his opening statement. >> when dr. murray left the room, michael jackson self-administered a dose of propofol that with the lorazepam created a perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly. >> now to build his case, childrenoff turned to sheer lynn lynn, a nurse track tigs ter who cared for him. >> he said, i have a lot of difficulty sleeping. >> jackson pressed her to give him propofol, a drug she had never heard of. >> he said, doctors have told me it is safe. i just need to be monitored. i told him, well, let's just try nutritional i.v. one more -- try it again. >> but lee's remedy didn't work for jackson.
>> well, he wasn't very happy that he didn't sleep longer. >> was he upset with you. >> he was a tad bit upset he wanted to sleep longer and said the nutritional components were not working. >> he was complaining when he got up, right? >> he said this is going to mess up my performance for the day. the only thing that's going to help me is de-- >> i specialize in addiction medicine. >> dr. waldman reviewed records from his dermatologist. in the months before he death he got frequent treatments and lots of painkillers. >> i believe there was evidence that he was probably addicted to opiods. >> for the jackson family they were hard words to hear. >> they sat in that courtroom and listened to testimony that their son and brother was a drug addict and often they had to leave but they were always there the next day. >> the addiction, the insomnia, the desperation were so great, said dr. paul white, that jackson swallowed powerful pills
by the handful. >> it would be my guess that mr. jackson may well have taken three or four pills at a couple of different time. >> then white a renowned anesthesiologist demonstrated how he thought murray administered propofol. >> just inject very slowly, that's what dr. murray said he did so that's certainly a very safe way to do it. >> murray, he says, gave jackson 25 milligrams of propofol, soon after, jackson himself administered the final dose. >> you think it was a self-injection of propofol that did it? >> in my opinion, yes. >> and then it all rested with the jury. one charge, one man dead and another man's freedom in the balance. >> the tension in this case is at a fever pitch. what's on the line in all of this? dr. murray could go to jail for
four years if he's found guilty. on the prosecution side and especially for the jackson family it's, will michael jackson get justice? you know, will there be someone held accountable for what happened to this man? >> we're following the breaking news this hour. a verdict in the involuntary manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray. >> we, the jury in the above-entitled action j. find the defendant dr. conrad murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. >> coming up, do you feel you did everything you could? >> claims that the promoters behind michael jackson's tour were responsible for muir's negligence. >> is there a camera i can look into so the public can check if i'm telling the truth? not yet. "remember how i taught you how to do it, okay?"
"do good, do good, do good...do good, do good" "keep peddling, keep peddling, keep peddling..." life insurance from new york life can help your family keep good going. hearty cheeseburger. creamy thai style chicken with rice. mexican-style chicken tortilla. if you think campbell's 26 new soups sound good, imagine how they taste. m'm! m'm! good!
[ babies crying ] surprise -- your house was built on an ancient burial ground. [ ghosts moaning ] surprise -- your car needs a new transmission. [ coyote howls ] how about no more surprises? now you can get all the online trading tools you need without any surprise fees. ♪ it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade.
the death of michael jackson is on trial again. this time in a civil court. the jury heard opening statements in late april. his mother and his children filed a wrongful death lawsuit alleging aeg lied. the promoter of michael's this is it trial hired dr. murray and was responsible for his criminal actions. >> it'll be for the jury to decide. >> kevin boyle is the attorney for katherine jackson. >> they were negligent in hiring, retaining or supervising dr. conrad murray and that that ultimately led to the death of michael jackson. >> aeg live claims that dr.
murray was working for jackson and was not employed by the company. marvin putnam is a defense attorney for aeg live. >> two days after michael's passing he said, i was hired by michael jackson, michael jackson -- i had worked for michael jackson for years. >> the jackson family claims aeg live instructed murray, quote, not to look out for jackson's best interests but rather to do whatever medical procedures were calculated to get jackson to perform. their smoking gun is an e-mail from paul gongaware sent to the show director. the jacksons believe the e-mail proves aeg employed murray. >> it really is a sdmoeking gun it's probably one of the most important piece of evidence that they have that aeg supervised,
directed, forced, employed dr. conrad murray to provide michael jackson drugs so that he could perform. >> in a taped deposition played for the jury gongaware was confronted with the e-mail he sent. >> it says, we want to remind him that it is aeg, not mj who is paying his salary. we want him to understand what is expected of him. did you write that e-mail? >> i don't recall. >> he came across as suffering some sort of executive amnesia, if you will. >> the jackson family in looking at that e-mail believed that aeg made it clear to dr. murray that he was supposed to make sure that michael jackson performed no matter what. >> hold for applause.
hold for applause. slow, fade out. >> show director kenny ortega e-mailed gongaware 11 days before michael's death with concerns about the singer's health. an emotional ortega read his e-mails to the jury. there are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior. i think the very best thing we can do is get a top sipsychiatrt to evaluate him asap. >> at the end of his testimony the jury actually applauded. i've never seen that in a trial before. >> this picture of a frail michael jackson taken less than a week before his death was introduced into evidence. kenny ortega described michael's deteriorating health as they prepared for the concerts. >> the insight that he gave into what was happening with michael in his last weeks was
incredible. about his deterioration, about how he couldn't remember his lyrics to his songs, about how he wasn't getting the dances and about the conversations with the aeg live executives about what to do about michael. it was very revealing and key in this trial. >> jackson's attorney called a sleep expert, dr. charles sizeler to explain his rapid decline in health. he testified that the 60 nights of propofol infusions conrad murray admitted to giving the star derived him of r.e.m. sleep for the brain to restore itself. >> michael jackson likely went 60 nights, 60 days, two months without getting any real sleep. >> aeg attorneys argued michael jackson was a drug addict who sought out doctors who could feed his addiction like conrad murray. >> they brought out a long parade of doctors who had given
michael painkillers or had used propofol on michael jackson. >> the defense used the deposition of randy jackson, michael's brother to argue not only was he addicted to drugs but he would have resisted any efforts to an intervention. >> aeg live said, if the family can't help him, if the family can't stop him, how could we his concert promoters ever be expected to do that i think that was one of their strongest witnesses. >> michael jackson's two oldest children prince and paris were on the list to testify until -- >> paris jackson, the 15-year-old daughter of pop icon michael jackson was rushed to a hospital in los angeles. >> in the midst of the trial, near tragedy. michael jackson's daughter paris was rushed to the hospital in june after cutting her wrists in an apparent suicide attempt.
paris received medical attention and would no longer testify. however, jurors would still hear about her struggle through her mother and michael jackson's ex-wife, debbie rowe. >> it was hinted at with her brother's testimony and mother's testimony but directly said when debbie rowe, her mother, testified. she said, i almost lost my daughter. she tried to kill herself. that dramatic moment it was clear the jurors knew that one of the results of michael jackson's death was the extreme sadness of his now 15-year-old daughter and her attempt to take her life. >> prince, michael's son, did go on to take the stand. he told jurors that his father would often cry after talking to aeg live executives and the pop icon feared for his life leading up to the concerts. >> it was very clear that prince
felt that michael jackson felt really pushed to the brink by aeg executives. he didn't trust them. he didn't like them. and he heard his own father say while sobbing they're trying to kill me. >> another powerful witness, the may tri yashg of the jackson clan, katherine jackson. >> katherine jackson said she was there to speak up for her son. she says he's not here to talk for himself. i'm here for that. so through katherine jackson, we were hearing michael jackson. >> michael's mother has been in court every day. >> katherine jackson is in her 80s. she's a grieving mother and it's clear that it was a bit contentious. >> when she got her chance to go head to head with the defense, she took it. >> she argued with the aeg live lawyer, confronted him and there were moments when as her lawyer
said, she tried to deal with it in a christian-like manner but sometimes she failed. >> through those closest to him, jurors were able to see a side of michael jackson hidden from the rest of the world. >> his mother, katherine jackson, his son prince and former wife debbie rowe, they all provided emotional testimony, insights into michael's personality, his life, his fears, that was, i think, testimony that really captured the jury's attention. >> amidst the personal testimony, the jury saw intimate family photos and home video. jurors saw michael jackson grow from a young boy. to one of the most celebrated entertainers of our time performing songs like the jackson 5's "i want you back." ♪ oh baby give me one more chance to show you ♪
♪ one, two, three >> and finally to a father himself. >> hi, my name is prince michael jackson i'm daddy's baby and i love my daddy. >> i'm paris. >> now that closing arguments have finished. >> i'm sorry. he's addicted to drugs. >> and they don't want to answer the questions. >> the jury now has the burden of deciding a case with more than a billion dollars at stake. will they decide aeg live shares the blame with conrad murray or will they absolve the company of any responsibility? >> he was perfect. >> aeg live's president and ceo randy phillips maintains the company's innocence. >> for those people who say that aeg is ultimately responsible for michael jackson's death, how do you respond? >> i'm sad. it makes me sad that it evolves to that.
aeg, all we did, we're just promoters. we put up a lot of money. sometimes there aren't villains, there's just unfortunate circumstances and accidents. and i'm not sure there is a real identifiable villain in this whole process. i feel bad because i think it damages or muddies michael's memory. >> do you feel that you did everything that you could, everything aboveboard, everything right, handled it properly? >> absolutely i feel 100% that what happened, you know, was a terrible accident. had it not happened but whatever happened, okay, had it not in michael survived i think we would have created entertainment history with these shows and he would have reclaimed what he would like to say is his throne as the king of pop. that's what think -- i believe. >> katherine jackson claims the trial has never been about money. >> it was katherine jackson's decision to file this lawsuit. almost three years ago.
she was asked during her testimony why and she said, i want to know what happened to my son. it is a search for the truth. [ male announcer ] guys don't put all this high tech gear on their face only to go home and wreck it with just any razor. upgrade to the gillette fusion proglide, precision equipment with less tug, less pull, for unrivaled comfort even on sensitive skin. so you can go get it. gillette -- the best a man can get.