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for "outfront," barbara starr, the pentagon. >> the pentagon says it's too soon to estimate how much it's going to cost but atony stark's iron man suit would cost $7 billion. piers morgan is next. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. does obama care have a dangerous pre-existing condition? the president on the road is trying to save it. >> this is like having a really good product in a store and the cash registers don't work and there aren't enough parking spots and nobody can get through the door and so we are working over time to get this fixed. >> is it all too little too late? frank rich tells me how the gop is turning this debacle to his election advantage. also, why do the miami dolphins quarterback say this? >> i think if you ask john martin a week before who his
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best man on the team was, he would say richy incognito. >> really? the player that fled the team saying he was being bullied. this man caught on tape in a bar by tmz? >> listen, i need -- >> who wants [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> what a gentleman mr. incognito. what is really going on here and what the nfl's playbook is for crisis control is. plus, nuke this. why some environmentalists say nuclear energy is good for the planet. the man behind "pandora's promise". obama care and how it almost changed the course of the lieutenant governor's case. joining me is the author of the greatest story ever sold. frank, welcome back to the show. you wrote a fascinating piece
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today and the headline was "cuccinelli's near win says more than christie's landslide." tell he what you mean. >> i mean virginia is a purple state trending blue and cuccinelli is in favor of a prison hood amendment and very hostile to gay people. he ran as part of the republican administration in the state of virginia that had a gift giving scandal he was caught up in. he had almost everything according to conventional wisdom going against them but he came within three points of terry mcauliffe who had, whatever his -- he has his own defects as
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a candidate but he had the clinton's campaigning for him. he had president obama campaigning for him. he had a ton of money and a government shutdown to beat over cuccinelli's head because northern virginia government workers were affected by it including cuccinelli is part of the right wing. this guy did as well as he could and might have won frankly if it hadn't been for a third party libertarian candidate i think does not look great for democrats and also, does not look great for moderate republicans who take such heart in chris christi's victory because i think the tea party is alive and well not just in dixie but a state like virginia. >> let's come to chris christie because he's a hugely popular figure, popular governor. reelected with a thumping to majority. you know when someone is a threat because they run to lambaste him. let's watch marco rubio's and ran paul's reaction. >> everyone wants to jump what it means for the future because
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that's what political reporters do, but we need to understand some of these races don't apply to future races. each race has their own factors. i can congratulate them. >> some of these ads, people running for office put this mug on their ads in the middle of a political campaign. in new jersey 25 million was spent on ads that included somebody running for political office. do you think there might be a conflict of interest there? >> it cuts to what the republicans' problem is going forward, which is the festering civil war between the likes of rubio and ran and chris christie.d and chris christie. he laid his colors out there and said i'll run for the top job. >> there is no question that christie is doing that, however, this is contrary to what a lot of people in the profession think. i think christi's victory is meaningless in terms of the
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national republican party. this is a guy in favor of gun control, one of your pet issues. he is on favor of immigration reform including a pathway for people who are here illegally now. he retreated from a fight on same-sex marriage. this is not an acceptable candidate for the republicans who will vote in presidential primaries and look at marco rubio. he was thought to be a great big hope of the republican party and he was a little liberal on immigration reform and had his head handed to him by the right. so christie is popular in new jersey. there is no question about it, but even in new jersey in the exit polls that cnn showed, he lost in a match-up with hillary clinton, obviously a speculative one for the presidency and the republican party is incredibly unpopular in new jersey, 38 or 39% approve of it and he didn't
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use the word republican most of the time that he was running. he's a new jersey phenomenon. is he natural? only if they cancel the republican primaries and have wall street say they can appoint the candidate then christi would get the republican nomination. >> jake tapper and my colleague sat down with michael bloomberg and talks about the central list who had success. watch this. >> the lesson for this whole country, whether it was christie or mcauliffe, both of them were centralists. they would work across the isle, being an obstructionist or the vote rejected that in both cases. christie clearly worked across the aisle with obama, cory
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booker, the democrats in the new jersey state legislature and mcauliffe has a long history of working at every part of government on both sides of the aisle. >> i mean, that is undeniably true, isn't it, frank? >> well, mcauliffe, long history in government. i'm not sure what he's talking about. he's a fundraiser for the clintons, i'm not sure what that means. i think what mayor bloomberg is saying is what all sorts of sen trysts who live in new york and new jersey are saying, they are saying christi does work across the aisle, it's true, he's a compassion conservative. he's sort of upbeat conservative. it's exactly the way they talked about george w. bush in 2000. if we were still in 2000 the republican party might again nominate a george w. bush but we're not in 2000. we're in 2013. the party moved far to the right. bush is almost a villain in the republican party and deep fixed into a memory hole. so it's sort of a fantasy of, you know, a kind of republican like mike bloomberg and many other people who live in the
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tri-state area of new york that chris christie will somehow win republican primaries and iowa and the midwest and deep south. he'll win republican primaries in the northeast but this is not a party that's going to nominate a moderate. it isn't there. the base of the party is the party that shut down the government and they want a cruz or rand paul or others we don't know of yet. they don't want what they think of a mitt romney. >> it comes down to a pragmatism, too. if we get to 2014, the end of the year and it looks increasingly like a tea party candidate simply cannot beat a democratic candidate in a general election, won't there be a movement towards someone like chris christie, by his own admission today i'm about winning. elections are about winning. it's time the republicans learned how to win elections again. he's right, isn't he?
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>> he is right, but the crux of the republican civil war is that yes, there are people who want that and there are people who write big checks in the republican party that want that but the base of the party is not persuaded by that. they feel strongly they lost last time because mitt romney was not conservative enough. chris christie is not even invited to some kind of conservative conferences because he threw his arm around president obama, and so racially what you say is completely correct, but, you know, the same people you're asking to be rational are the ones that were told it would be disastrous. they didn't detour them. they rallied around the shut down until they had to surrenderer but they have not surrendered for good. they mean what they are saying and i think, you know, people
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are in a state on denial how radical this party is and they won't be moved by mike bloomberg or chris christie or the bush -- you know, if jed bush gets into the race, i don't think they care what these people think. >> a fascinating twist to the mcauliffe victory, which michael bloomberg picked up on. let's watch this about guns. >> virginia is the home state of the nra the that's where their headquarters are. south of mason-dixon line, if i 20 years ago said to you that a democrat that was f rated by the nra and in favor of the common sense gun checks, background checks, if i told you he could win governor, you would have laughed me out of the room. mcauliffe won which says voters in virginia want common sense background checks. >> interesting to me -- >> i'm sorry, i just -- >> sorry. go on.
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>> i'm sorry, i have to say much as i admire mayor bloomberg in many ways, as a political analyst he's looking through a lens of his own. i completely agree with him and you about gun control but i think to say that everyone voted for terry mcauliffe in virginia is in favor of common sense gun control laws just isn't true and even if it were true doesn't represent the country and doesn't represent congress where people, as we know, are afraid to pass legislation and can't be moved to do it. >> here is the point i was going to make, frank. >> like newtown. >> i was going to make this point and i agree with what you said. president clinton made a point to say gun control will only really happen in america if the people start to vote for politicians who are in favor of it, rather than being cowered into silence by the nra and politician whose are completely against it. could there be a bit of momentum
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if you had a few politicians who genuinely made gun control a big position of theirs and they actually began to want -- win some elections even at a very local level. is that the way, in the end, you could see eventually some kind of sensible gun control? >> absolutely. that's a very fair point and i think that's often how change happens on a mere mere myriad of issues. that said, it's going to be very slow and very because too many americans, really, really belief the second amendment is a birthright and entitled to all the guns they want and the fact
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that newtown could have such a tiny affect is disheartening. that said that mcauliffe could win with that position in virginia, it's a small victory and the beginning of a snowball but a very slow snowball to roll forward in america. >> stay with me and when we come back, i'll talk to you about the highly unusual political scandal. toronto's crack smoking mayor back at work today as if nothing happened. >> yes, i have smoked crack cocaine but no -- do i? am i an addict? no. ♪
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yes, i have smoked crack cocaine. >> when, sir -- >> do i? am i an adduct? no. have i tried it? probably in one of my drunken
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stupors, probably about a year ago. >> one of the top political scandals, what do you make of this? yes, i smoked crack cocaine and tomorrow i'll be back at my office desk? >> it's sort of wonderful, really. i mean, first of all, as americans we can all feel better about politics because this is sort of off the charts, even by our standards. it's not far from detroit but suddenly this makes detroit politics benign and healthy. i do think, you know, canada has given us lord michaels, martin short, carter, bruce mccall, all of these witty, comic minds and i think this is the ultimate "snl" sketch on steroids. who could make it up? he looks great, too. >> should we care -- should we care about whether any senior
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politician in the modern age opens up and says yes, i took, you know, cocaine a year ago or yes, i had an affair or whatever it may be. does any of that really matter do you think? even to younger people? are they anywhere as judge judgmental as parents or grandparents are about this kind of thing? it's hard to generalize but my guess is that they are not and if the politician delivers the goods that are desired by his or her constituents, people can put up with a lot. certainly we've seen in american politics, look at mark sanford. people come back from scandals and be accepted by voters in conservative parts of the country. so i think that, you know, the days of the kind of easy morals are ending and, you know, when you look back it's been however many years, not quite 20 years since the clinton impeachment,
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hard to imagine that kind of witch hunt now about somebody's sex life really catching fire in the way it did in the 1990s. i think you're right. i think we're seeing a generational change. i can't speak for canada. i mean, makes me want to go to toronto. i think it's sort of a boom of tourism. don't you want to go to like a comedy club -- >> i really do want to go there and go to a comedy club. the reaction on twitter, yesterday for no real reason i tweeted out i actually feel quite sorry for rob ford and interesting the reaction. i got a sense of the generational reaction. the older people in toronto feeling ashamed by what he had done to their great city and the image of canada and younger people saying totally agree with you, it's a fuss about nothing. how does that affect the way he does his job if he just went crazy one night, had a few too
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many drinks and suddenly remembered he took crack cocaine but at least if that's what he claims, do we really need to get so excited about it? >> you know, i'm not so sure we do, but luckily, it's canada, so here we can just laugh and enjoy and enjoy our good neighbors suffering or embarrassment or perhaps their share of pleasure at the comic spectacle of it all. >> frank rich, always good to talk to you. come back soon and good to see you again. >> good to see you, thank you. >> a lot on people think this story in toronto is crazy. si want i want to bring in dr. gail saltz. gail, what do you make of this story. at one level it's fairly laughable and there is a guy that's clearly gone through the ringer and been lying for a long time and finally come clean and he said a huge 1,000 pound weight lifted. what do you think of it? >> it's a big difference as you
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mentioned. there are sex scandals and there is a difference of what someone is doing in their personal life and someone who is breaking the law, and, you know, who is in the job of enforcing the law, and doesn't have a problem with the hypocrisy of breaking it. i think that is what is more difficult issue. i also think to say, yeah, maybe i smoked crack when i was busy being bombed is sort of further compounds you sort of wonder about, you know, his self-control. >> does he need treatment, this guy? is he actually sensible for him to continue trying to be the mayor of toronto given his approval ratings have gone up, so the people, the majority clearly want to carry on. is he actually sensible? should he take a back step, get treatment maybe? >> the problem is this is what he's saying now but been lying for a long time. it's unlikely. i have to tell you, it's unlikely to be a modest drinker and then suddenly become loaded and then that same night smoke
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crack. that is an unusual story. so one has to wonder if that's it. so he has to be able to look inside and say, am i being honest with myself because if not, he does need help. >> i mean, this whole issue of private behavior and public performance, really ever since bill clinton won, you got a guy who humiliated on a national level, nearly impeached and so on and at the end of it, he's become the most popular president in american history, in terms of poll ratings and according to the american public forgiving and didn't care that much, same with kennedy and many of the great generals, correct. >> great entertainers. >> i think because the american public is understanding that at some level it's the high risk taker who will push for things that we do want that there's an upside to being that kind of person, that kind of leader and
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it comes with this downside, if you will, as long as the down dlsz side is in people's personal lives and as long as they are willing to say, i'm sorry. it's the ones who wait the longest, who lie for a long period of time, ie anthony weiner who say no, no, no, i didn't do it that have a harder time getting forgiveness. we're willing to forgive when somebody asks for it. >> a good line he couldn't remember if he had or not because he was in one of his, apparently, many drunken stupors. you don't hear that from a mayor very often. >> no, luckily you don't hear that often and a questionable defense. i would say he might not remember it will because when we try to defend against something we don't want to acknowledge, you keep it hazy with alcohol or say i don't want to be aware of
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what i'm doing. >> there is something about rob ford i don't like. he blew a kiss and came out with a grin, there is something about his character i feel quite warm towards -- >> he's charismatic. that is doing things you would not want your spouse to do or politician to do. >> maybe if he hadn't inhaled the crack cocaine he would be in a better position. the clinton defense. let's move on to scandalous footballers. when we come back, i want to talk about bullying in the locker room to a boardroom. are we now in a culture of bullies? >> the type of culture i champion from the day i walk through these doors is honesty, respect and accountability for one another.
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no, i'm just trying to weather the storm right now and this will pass. you know, there is an allegation that, you know, left voice mails on jonathan martin's voice mail. what do you have to say about that? >> no comment right now. we're going to kind of weather the storm and that's it. >> perfectly named richy incognito about the miami dolphins scandal. the coach was not aware of the alleged bullying of offensive lineman jonathan martin, by reports of the sun central where incognito was asked to toughen up martin. everybody is talking about bullying in the nfl, is that
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doesn't mean it hasn't happened before. dr. gail is back with me and joining me is curt mannify. let's start with you, many i may and welcome to the show. is this a mountain made out of a mole here? looking at what the quarterback said, looking a week ago, jonathan martin and mr. incognito would have been best pals. >> i won't say it's a mountain made out of a mole hill. the problem is we're in a society that wants to rush to a decision to everything. we want to hear an answer as soon as we hear a problem and put out there when it began. the more teammates that come out -- today is the first day the players have been back in full. the starting center said it and a starting wide receiver said he was outraged by all of this because not only were they two best buddies and hang out away from the facilities at all times but martin had the voice mail message and playing it and everybody would laugh at incognito since the month of
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april, he never seemed to be offended by this. i think we don't know how jonathan martin truly feels because that young man hasn't come out and said specifically. before we rush to judgment. let's find out his side of it, not necessarily what the representative told the miami dolphins five days from when he walked away from the team. >> in a workplace if somebody behaved like incognito to martin, it would be bullying and he would be fired. but it's the nfl. these guys are great, big hulking footballers trained all day long to annihilate them. when one of them suddenly goes native, if you like and says look, oh, no, leave me alone, is he making too much of it? should he choose another sport and get out of it? >> you have to treat it like a workplace. yes, it's a game.
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yes, they have to be aggressive. but you don't have to emotionally torture someone else, essentially and it wouldn't be tolerated in any other workplace. that's -- i mean, you know, up until not that long ago, we looked at women in the locker room and said, you know, sexual harassment that's just part of the nfl and now we say no. we used to say hey you got concussions, get up, play again. we're looking and saying there are ramifications of this, no. i think, you know, bullying is -- has no place in any workplace and it's not the same as fun pranks that pull you-all together. it's not the same. bullying is not even the same as hazing because it's about picking one individual and repeatedly going after them, and it -- you can be a big guy. you can be a huge guy but it's about emotionally wearing them down or shunning them -- >> let me bring curt back because you got lots of these footballers -- go on. >> no offense to the doctor here
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but, you know, i think the problem is and this is where i go back to, we're trying to find answers before we know the issues. we're -- this word bullying has been thrown around and i'm not here to defend richy incognito because he crossed the line without question. we throw the word bullying around which carries a lot of weight in this society right now because it's a real problem particularly with young people. but we've assumed that this is bullying. there's a difference between bullying someone and having someone be a willing participant and going back and forth with one another and giving each other a hard time and feeling that person crossed the line. if i do that with you, you have the right to tell me, hey, you crossed the line but i haven't bullied you. we got into it and we went too far. maybe that's an issue we need to discuss. >> if you're in a professional sport that's very physical like football where you wear helmets and padding and smash into people at vast rates of speed, you know, how far do you take this? you have to stop being incredibly polite and nice to
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each other, does that apply to opposition? can you bully the opposition? can you talk to them in a derogatory manner? eventually you're new to the sport that so many americans love, right? >> not just about the physical part. there is no accusation that he's been physically bullied and once again, i think there should be questions about whether or not he was bullied at all because we haven't heard him say he felt bullied. the young man hadn't said anything. there is a locker room society that the average person does not understand, and that those of us in the media can't convey because we aren't there all times. there is a culture that exists among the guys in the locker room. it doesn't mean they attack each other and they are vulgar and they give each other and hard time and if you've been around any team sport at all that you know they say things to one another that the rest of us don't say in quote unquote polite society. >> right.
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>> that's one of the issues -- especially when you read something on paper, context should be applied here as well. suspects you and i can say something to one another and i give you a hard time and tell you how crazy you are and i can't stand you and we're laughing. >> i'm not laughing. i'm deeply offended by what you said -- >> if you wrote the same statement on a piece of paper, it has a different meaning. it's a very interesting line, isn't it, you draw with sport. if you make it like another workplace, you turn it into a fast where these great, big aggressive powerful passionate men in the nfl had to suddenly start behaving like choir boys. >> i think there is a lot of gray area between choir boys and -- >> and richy incognito. >> threats of killing someone, threats of harming someone's
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mother, racial slurs, i think that you're right we're going to have to put perhaps redefine what works. in the military this comes up, as well, where you need people to be extremely aggressive and put their life on the line and risk their lives and train them as such. but there still needs to be some line and the question is from the top down, they have to decide where those lines are going to be and then there has -- the bystanders have to be empowered and the individual has to be empowered to say something if it's crossing the line. >> i was trying to work out a smart way of linking the toronto crack-smoking mayor story to the nfl scandal but rob ford did it for us because he came out wearing his nfl tie. there we go. which neatly -- >> the nfl tie. it's not even up to date. >> i think maybe rob ford should play for the dolphins replacing martin. >> some on those logos are from the mid-'90s, so they aren't even current logos so that tie has been around for a while. >> if you were in the nfl
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tomorrow, what would you want to go to war with richy incognito, the big beast who destroys all in front of him or jonathan martin who runs home to mommy? >> you know, i think that's what we're going to find out. you look at these two, i think jonathan martin is a young player, first round draft pick last year switched around from position to position and hasn't found himself yet as an nfl player. incognito proved himself and proved himself to be boarish. he got suspended and released by the rams. same thing happened in college at nebraska. he went to oregon and didn't even get to a play a game. he's got a pattern of bad behavior and i hopefully don't come off trying to defend him but there is a rush to conclusion before we figure out the parts of it. one of the things you said earlier caught my attention as well is you talked about politicians and the different generations and how they look at it. >> right. >> i think that the part of this
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that has gone really unspoken. i grew up, obviously i'm a black man. i grew up in a black household where we were not allowed to use the "n" word. my mother said you never use that word in this household. we have 20-year-olds and 25-year-olds that black, white, hispanic, have grown up around that word in the music culture, in the new culture and not nearly as offended by that word as we are. i think it's wrong, whether you're black or white shouldn't use that word but they use it among themselves and i spoke to a couple guy there is and we've seen guys of both races not offended by that. that's obviously one way you look at maybe they have sksz's of discussions with each other and give each other a hard time. >> how tall are you, curt? >> 5'11" and 3/4ths i like to say. >> if you were 6'5" and 314 points like jonathan martin, he would be better to march himself
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into the dolphins' locker room and pin one into mr. incognito's nose. >> that's what a lot of players are saying if he had a problem and were that offended, go ahead and fight because players are going -- other players in the locker room would stop a fight. nobody would get seriously injured. you stand up for yourself -- >> i think i horrified -- >> nobody will get seriously injured? look, there are plenty of stories of nfl players who carry guns, use guns. >> but no nfl stories of players getting in fight in the locker room -- the thing is, nfl players, 53 of them in the locker room. they pretend they are best friends and single guys hang out together and do things together and get into arguments and fights. this is not the rest of the society. they don't carry locker rooms -- i mean, guns inside the locker room. if you want to talk about what would happen at home, that the is different. i think a lot of players feel he should have fought. >> thank you both very much indeed. >> thank you. coming up next, a radio active debate, could nuclear energy be good for the
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the conventional wisdom on energy, solar and radio active disasters waiting to happen. is it really true? to debate the issue is robert f. kennedy jr. and senior attorney for the national resources defense counsel and robert stone whose controversial documentary on nuclear power, pandora's promise. welcome to both of you, the two roberts. robert stone, tell me why you made the movie and what the central point is. >> i'm a life-long environmentalist. my first film was anti-nuclear movie and i notice there had is a growing number of environmental lift, energy experts, looking to nuclear
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power as a solution. if you do the math, wind is great, solar is great, efficiency is great but you can't power the world of 9 billion people without something else and something else we have available this time is nuclear energy. >> you've done a u-turn on nuclear energy, have you? >> i have. the more i looked into it, the more everything i thought i knew about it, the things that passed for conventional wisdom turned out to be the opposite. >> the two key things that people use against it are the cost and the danger. what reassured you? >> the cost, if we build nuclear power plants and like we build wind turbines and iphones, the cost comes down. it's a red herring. we need to build them and mass produce them instead of building one-of-a-kind plant. what was the other one? >> fukushima or whatever, how do you know there isn't going to be more of this if we have more nuclear plants? >> you have to look at the context.
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we had 50 years of nuclear power. 440 reactors operating and in these 50 years, three significant accidents one of which caused anybody to die or get sick and then the number is remarkably low if you look at what the world health organization says. >> robert kennedy, you heard the case for the defense of nuclear power. what is your argument against it? >> i'm all for nuclear power if they can ever make it safe, and if they can ever make it economic and i believe in free market capitalism. i believe the lowest cost producer should prevail in the marketplace and at this point, you know, it's -- we build a lot of nuclear power plants. we have 20% of the fleet on nuclear power plants. the most recent one built in finland is costing $14 billion a
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gigawatt, $3 billion for coal, $3 billion for solar, and $3 billion for wind and conservation is about 1/10th that. on the cost issue, it doesn't make sense. it's the most catastrophically way to boil a pot of water that's ever been devised. secondly, on safety, it's not just the environmental community. it is saying that this is not a safe industry. it's the insurance industry. these plants and this industry cannot get insurance, so congress had to go in the middle of the night and pass the price anderson act, which has responsibility for the damages that are cautioned by leaks or
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accidents from their plants, and there is no other industry in the world that has that advantage. not only do we have to pay $14 billion for the plant but then you have to store the waste for 30,000 years, which is five times the length of recorded human history and how that can ever be economic is for somebody -- somebody's got to make that case. >> robert stern, i guess you're the perfect man to make it, so come on. just your debunked your entire claim. >> i understand that. the cost thing is a red herring. we haven't built nuclear plants we got a few going up now. you could have said the exact same thing about solar a few years ago. solar plummeted, what, 1,000% in the last decade because we created a market through subsides and mass produce them in china now. the cost has come down. the future on nuclear energy will not be the one off plants, manufacturing components, modeler reactors on assembly lines the way we manufacture jet aircrafts. they are super safe. that's the future. we got to start doing it.
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>> on sunday full climate and energy scientists released calling world leaders support development safe and nuclear power systems. renewable's like wind and solar will certainly play roles in the future energy economy but those energy forces cannot scale fast enough to deliver cheap and energy power to the scale the economy requires. while -- there is no path to climate stabilization that doesn't include a substantial role for nuclear power. i sense there from a lot of experts, robert kennedy, there is inevidencebility about this. >> those are climate experts. those are not people building power plants and if you talk to people building power plants, particularly solar power plants or wind power plants, they will tell you a completely different story. going back to what robert said a minute ago, we have -- the plants that are advocated in this film, which are fast reactor plants have been around for a long time and everybody
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whose tried them has abandoned them because they are 60% more expensive than regular nuclear power plants. they are not any safer. they have been abandoned by the united states, germany, france, italy, russia. the russian navy and u.s. navy has abandoned these technologies. this technology is like a unicorn, it's something easy to say it would be wonderful if it existed but it doesn't exist. let's go to a break and continue the debate after the break. robert stone, you got about two minutes to go to your loins and come back, mr. kennedy. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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back with robert f. kennedy jr. and robert stone having a spirited debate about nuclear energy. "pandora's promise" is airing tomorrow night on cnn. let's take a little clip and see what all the fuss is going to be about. >> turns out that the united states has been buying up nuclear warheads from the
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russians for over ten years now. 16,000 nuclear warheads. and we're recycling all these nuclear warheads into energy, electricity, nuclear power. so nuclear power is doing more to denuclear weaponize the world than any other thing that we do. >> the film gets its global television premiere on cnn tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern. robert, that was an extraordinary revelation i thought. the volume of nuclear warheads from russia now being used for positive gain in this country. >> it's incredible, isn't it? that was one of the most surprising things i found out. one in ten light bulbs in the united states are being powered by energy derived from a former soviet nuclear weapon. >> the cold war has become the warm war. >> that program has ended.
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now we're about to use the american nuclear warheads. this is something every peace activist. anti-nuclear weapon person should get behind. >> the kind of reactors advocated for this film, by this film, are breeder reactors, which actually create more plutonium and more weapons grade plutonium. the kind of reactors that india used to build its atomic bomb which it called a peaceful reactor and a peaceful bomb. so with normal white water reactors you cannot use that plutonium to build reactors. but with the kind advocated by this film you're producing weapons grade plutonium. that's why the clinton administration killed the program to build these reactors in 1994 in this country.
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they create more weapons grade plutonium. and the idea that you can -- one of the ideas behind the film is that well these kind of reactors actually feed on themselves and create their own fuel and you can use all the nuclear waste from the existing nuclear power plants and put in these reactors and they'll eventually process it. you have to operate them for hundreds of years in order for them to devour the nuclear waste that exists. >> i would give you the last word, robert stone, but you'll have the last word tomorrow night when your movie airs as this time tomorrow night. a fascinating debate, robert kennedy, robert stone thank you very much indeed. and we'll be right back. ♪
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