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6th. jason carroll, cnn, new york. that does it for me. thanks for joining us. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. a typhoon bigger than the size of california before it made landfall. it's been blotting the philippines off the radar for hours. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. they were calling it a super typhoon and we are only getting a sense of the damage done in the philippines. perhaps the strongest storm in recorded history, laying waste to the country. we have a live report from manila in moments. also in world news, what's happening in geneva could change the world as we know it. talk of a potential deal with iran. to stop or slow its suspected progress towards a nuke. can iran be trusted to keep up its end of any potential bargain? the politics lead. it's become president obama's read my lips, perhaps. now he's apologizing after telling americans if you like your plan, you can keep your
plan. was he listening to advice from new jersey governor chris christie that he heard right here on "the lead"? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with the world lead. many times in the past, the media have been guilty of dipping way too far into hyperbole to describe the threat of a storm. this is not one of those times. typhoon haiyan which battered the philippines for hours, is believed to be the strongest storm ever to hit the earth in recorded history and it's still packing a huge punch. winds have gotten as high as 195 miles per hour which would be more than three times worse than hurricane katrina, with gusts that may have reached as much as 235 miles per hour. at least three people have been killed so far in the philippines, according to the national disaster risk production and management council and judging from the images we've seen, that number
will likely only go up. the sun is just about to rise in manila, the capital city of the philippines. soon we could get a new look at the damage in the light of day. i want to bring in paula hancock standing by live in manila. what are you seeing around you? >> reporter: well, jake, it's 5:00 a.m. here and the capital itself is actually escaped fairly unscathed, but certainly further down south, the devastation is going to become clear fairly soon. we know the military helicopters are on standby and over the next hour as the sun rises, they will be able to get into the air and get an aerial view of exactly what has happened. they don't have a good sense yet of exactly how much damage has been done. nobody does, because this super typhoon covered such a vast area, you will really only see that devastation from the air. they want to find out where it's been hit hardest, who has been hit the hardest and what do they need, food, water and medication most likely. but of course, there is also the
possibility they won't be able to land, if the landing strips, the helicopter pads are flooded and under water, how will they get to the people who need their help? so everything is up in the air at this point. the pictures as you say that we have seen show us that we should expect some serious devastation. the first that were taking the initial brunt of this storm on the east coast of the philippines, we saw streets that were just rivers of water filled with debris. we saw the strong winds ripping roofs off buildings and also the storm surges swallowing up a couple of small houses on the seashores so basically, what the hope is is that people heeded the warnings, the warnings were there. the president went on television and said there is a real danger of this typhoon and the hope is that people actually took notice of that and did evacuate. we know at least 700,000 people did. we're hoping those in low-lying areas and those close to the coastline got out of the way as
well. jake? >> paula, thank you so much. stay safe. let's get some perspective on the size and scope of this typhoon. from meteorologist chad myers in the cnn severe weather center. chad, good to see you again. where is this typhoon now and where is it going? >> it has now emerged away from the philippines into the south china sea, right there. now, as it came across, right through the central part of the country, we had winds of 195 miles per hour. we know that we had a recorded gust of 175 and then that's all the machine said. that was right along the coast. but other areas were hit by the hardest winds and storm surge probably at least of 40 feet. if you were anywhere near the ocean, you had to get out of the way, you had to go up the hill, get out of what this devastation has really put down through this. it's not a super typhoon anymore. it's still what's equal to a category 4 hurricane at 145. to be a super typhoon you have to be 150 or higher. so i don't think you can tell
the difference, but there you go. that's why the storm says typhoon. 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, finally it's dying as it hits here, vietnam. a significant storm, though, for denang into vietnam. we know that from our college lessons. right there, that's the next place this is going to go, probably making landfall at about 120 miles per hour, then running up the coast. this was a devastating storm for the philippines. think about this. if it was 195 miles per hour and we think it was, satellite based, we didn't fly any planes in it, they don't do that like hurricane hunters like we do here in america, but if it was 195, that's equal to an ef-4 tornado. ef-4 tornado ten miles wide that sits over your house for 15 minutes. an ef-4 tornado in kansas and oklahoma would only sit over your house for about 30 seconds and destroy it. so if you can imagine what it would take to keep blowing that for ten minutes or so, these buildings just simply came apart. these trees were ripped out of the ground.
most of these trees probably are completely gone, and so are the homes. we hope the people are still okay. >> chad, give us some perspective. people are talking about this being the strongest storm to ever hit the earth in recorded history. is that accurate? how does it stack up to other storms? >> you know, when you think about the dinosaurs, probably, they had hurricanes, too. i think that's maybe a stretch. in recorded history, or one to hit land. the quote that i heard was that it is certainly the strongest storm to ever make landfall. there probably were storms in the ocean that didn't hit anything that may have been stronger, but i don't know how you get stronger than a gust of 235 miles per hour. i don't know how that happens. this is now the fourth typhoon to hit the philippines this year alone. haiyan and three others all hit the philippines in the past six months. >> chad, thank you. i want to turn to joe kerry,
who is currently in the philippines with catholic relief services. he has seen his share of typhoons in the past. thank you for being with us. storms and typhoons have ravaged this area before. how does this one compare? >> this one was incredibly intense and big. the strength of this typhoon is phenomenal and the way it moved across the philippines is something of serious concern. it hit multiple islands with super typhoon force, 200 mile per hour wind, so this is a real concern for us. we don't have information coming yet from the most affected areas. >> how are you with supplies and shelter? are the aid centers there going to be able to handle the influx of people who need help? >> shelter will be one of the major needs. you might know that we just had an earthquake so a lot of the aid agencies and the government have been concentrating efforts here. now we're going to be pulled out to other parts of the region.
there are going to be serious shelter needs. we know that because of past typhoons like this. housing can be very fragile and especially in rural areas that were hit today by the typhoon. so we can expect likely tens of thousands of houses destroyed and damaged. >> we have heard the storm has knocked out power and communications in many areas throughout the philippines. how are things holding up where you are? >> power is out. the cell phone coverage is restored. roads are damaged but are opening again. the concern in the island is mainly displaced families from the earthquake are about 350,000 people living outside in tents and temporary shelters. those people have been moved to safer locations but again, it's a difficult situation for them. >> what have you heard about fatalities and injuries where you are? >> where we are, we have not had fatalities from the typhoon. we don't know, we don't have the
full information yet at the end of the first day, but we do know that the areas that were impacted directly by the typhoon, those are the ones that will have the most loss. >> lastly, were people prepared for this? >> in some ways, with this typhoon, we did have adequate prediction and we knew the typhoon was coming, and we had about four days to prepare. the government made a big effort to get people into evacuation centers. so we do think there has been some success in moving people to safer locations. but again, these are a lot of rural areas, a lot of small islands that are affected. we don't know how they can protect themselves from a typhoon of this strength. >> joe, thank you so much. stay safe. as day breaks in the philippines, we are going to get a better picture of exactly how destructive this typhoon was and continues to be. we'll go back to the region when we get more. first, it took awhile. president obama is now saying i'm sorry after plenty of
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welcome back to "the lead." time for the politics lead. countless americans have been told that even though they like their health plan, they can't keep their health plan but hey, at least they're finally getting an apology from the president, kind of, sort of. take a look. >> i am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me. we've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them. >> that bite's getting a lot of play across the media but what struck us about it here at the "the lead" and granted, it seemed awfully similar to president obama taking advice from the governor of new jersey which the governor offered up to the president when i spoke to him on tuesday. take a listen. >> here's what my suggestion would be to him. don't be so cute.
and when you make a mistake, admit it. listen, if it was a mistake in 2009, if he was mistaken in 2009-2010 on his understanding of how the law would operate, then just admit it to people. >> for reaction, i want to bring in our panel. editor of the weekly standard, bill kristol, president of the center for american progress, neara and from the new yorker, ryan lizza. i'm not suggesting the president watches "the lead." >> i was going to suggest that. obviously that's where he got the idea. may have read about it in the paper. >> there was some pickup for it. christie, the man of the week, he probably had a better week than anybody else in american politics this week, did suggest say you're sorry, admit it and we got something like that from the president a couple days later. >> well, not only did he say sorry but now he's taking the next step and looks like there's going to be some policy change here. which could open a whole other can of worms because we change one part of this law and it
affects different parts. but look, he's been completely burned by this promise and the white house is going to do something about it now, apparently. >> you were in the bush 41 white house when he violated the read my lips, no new taxes. i know you weren't in the office, you were down the hall, but how tough is it when a president realizes that something he said, some big promise he made, that wasn't going to be able to keep up, how difficult is it to come to terms with that fact? >> well, it's difficult, especially in this case. the president has spent three years since the bill was passed pretending something was the case that wasn't the case. i think broken promises hurt you particularly when the policy doesn't work. i think voters will forgive a politics who misleads them perhaps when things turn out okay and they will forgive a politician who tells the truth if things don't turn out well but it was a good faith effort. when you both don't tell the truth and the thing's a fiasco, you have serious problems. incidentally, i was glad president obama took the advice of a republican governor, one of the most successful republicans in the country.
he should do it more often. >> they have to transmit it through you on "the lead." you are playing a very useful role here. ted cruz would like to come on monday. >> i'm sure. >> maybe ted cruz could apologize for the government shutdown. that would be great. >> happy to be the conduit for any message. >> i would recommend he do that. take bill's advice. >> what fix are we talking about possibly? is it an administrative fix, or is it more subsidies for people so they can afford -- >> look, i think they are looking at a series of options. i know senator landrieu has legislation to extend the grandfather clause itself which would allow people who had coverage to continue their coverage for those people in the individual market. so there's talk of subsidies and other things. you know, i think it's important for the president to be a reality based president. in this situation, people are angry about it. he should be honest about it.
i'm glad he said something but i think it's really important to see what will happen here. i think the challenge also is the real measure of this will be if the website works and people are signing up and a lot of people benefit from the law, then i think a lot of these things will be forgiven in the long run. if not, if it doesn't work, that will be a big challenge. >> the thing is, a lot of us who have been following health care for a long time, both in the '80s and '90s and also this law, knew that that promise was not going to be able to be kept as the president made it. in fact, in 2010, you might remember president obama had that big health care summit across the street from the white house, all the republicans came, democrats came, and here's an interesting exchange from 2010. >> between eight million and nine million people may very well lose the coverage that they have because of this, because of the construct of this bill. that's our concern. >> eight to nine million people that you refer to that might have to change their coverage, keep in mind, out of the 300
million americans that we're talking about, would be folks who the cbo, the congressional budget office, estimates would find the deal in the exchange better. would be a better deal. >> that's what we're now talking about. those eight or nine million americans. now, the question is whether or not the deal is better. the question is not -- the question is whether they can afford the deal with the subsidies that some of them are eligible for and also whether they can get on the website to see the deal. but this is not a real secret. when president obama, you know, came to the realization this week that, you know, it wasn't true, he knew it wasn't true back then. >> also, will their choice of doctors and plans be more limited. both of you indicated something important. the apology last night was fine. the apology itself isn't important but he is indicating i think that he is going to go for a fix. they will try to get the website up on november 30th, claim it's working fine even if it's working semi-fine or at all, and i think the dynamic of this debate will change in a radical way.
what was the dynamic a month, six weeks ago? people like me were saying can't we delay parts of this thing for a year? no, absolutely not. this is the law of the land, get used to it, man. it was passed by congress. ratified by the supreme court. >> the government shutdown was fine. >> the vote was ratified. that's not a bad talking point. if you're defending something, it's not bad to be able to say come on, get over it. once he acknowledges there has to be fixes, whether more subsidies or whatever he wants, then we're in a genuine legislative debate. it's a very fluid moment. i don't think it's necessarily -- i think it's wise of the president to go with this direction because i don't think he can stick to the talking point of six weeks anymore, which is you're a critic of the plan, be quiet. it becomes a very fluid moment. >> aren't both sides now in the realm of reality, whereas before, the republican position was we have to defund the whole thing and shut down the government to do it. the administration was absolutely no fixes, we're not changing one detail. >> it would have been terrible to delay the mandate. >> we only have a couple minutes. where do we end up now?
>> at least now you're in the realm of two sides looking at legitimate fixes. that's probably a better place. but bill, i think if you think that that's going to lead to getting rid of the entire thing all together, it seems like -- >> i think you could have much bigger modifications in the law two, three, four months from now than anyone thought possible. >> look, i think the big issue really is the health care website. i think actually democrats have been arguing for small fixes here and there throughout this process. the problem has always been republicans have not even done small fixes. they have said we will take the whole bill down. that has been the strategy of house republicans from the get-go. if they come to the table and say let's deal with the grandfather clause, making sure people can keep their health insurance, i think there will be an actual negotiation around that. that's fine. i don't think the position should be there's no fixes to any law ever. >> i think bill's point is all of a sudden if you're changing what the requirements are for health care plans which is what eric cantor was talking about in
that bill as to why people would lose their -- >> right. >> -- other things might enter the conversation. >> taking something like the individual mandate, for example, there's 150,000 people who signed up for health care now who get those premiums from the mandates. switching something like that would raise people's premiums on the other side, too. >> great panel. thank you all so much. have a meaningful veterans day on monday. coming up, we could be on the edge of an agreement that could change the face of the middle east and perhaps the world. so why is one of the united states' closest allies so worried about this deal actually going through? and in sports, the racially charged scandal rocking the miami dolphins, well, it just got worse. stay with us. how much protein
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welcome back to "the lead." there are some other big world news stories. it feels like just yesterday we were making deal or no deal jokes in washington over when the government shutdown would end but now there's another potential deal on the table that has observers talking here and all over the world. secretary of state john kerry arrived in geneva, switzerland with diplomats from france, germany and the uk in an attempt to close the deal with iran on their nuclear program.
russia's foreign minister is expected to arrive tomorrow. are they close? what's on the table? let's bring in jim sciutto. jim, what's the latest? >> we have covered enough of these to know they can fall apart at the last minute. but you do have a flurry of diplomatic activity now. secretary kerry coming in, the british, the french, the germans, now lavrov, the russian foreign minister, coming tomorrow. you get the sense they wouldn't be taking this political risk going there if they didn't think that the final disagreements were bridgeable. that said, secretary kerry did say there were still some gaps and they have to bridge the gaps and the talks at least will extend tomorrow so we have to watch over the weekend. >> great point. normally you wouldn't have heavy hitters come in to have a deal explode at the last second. what kind of deal are we talking about? >> they're calling this an interim deal. first step over six months while they negotiate a longer term deal. both sides are giving something up so the iranians would suspend enrichment of uranium up to 20%. they would still keep going at 3.5% but not 20%. >> 3.5% would be for nuclear power. >> 20% is one step away from weaponized. they would agree not to activate
their highest power centrifuges and the iraq heavy water reactor which is plutonium, another path to a bomb. the west would keep the most severe economic sanctions in place on oil, financial transactions, but would allow access to international gold markets, key sources of foreign exchange for the iranians and also unfree some assets. both sides giving something up, not giving everything up, and they are calling it confidence building measures while negotiating a bigger deal. >> thank you so much. let's talk about the prospects of a deal and its impact with richard haas, president of the council on foreign relations and former advise orto secretary of state colin powell. good to see you as always. we have secretary kerry in geneva, the head of the international atomic energy agency meeting with iranian leaders on monday. what do you think a deal would mean for all the players involved? how big of a deal would this be? >> well, on one level, any deal is a big deal, given the last three decades plus of tension or
open hostility between the united states and iran. that said, any deal at most would be a kind of interim arrangement. we would maybe have a specific time limit on it, six months or something like it, and it would simply be to buy some time to set the stage, if you will, for a much more ambitious agreement that would be negotiated during that time span. >> here's what president obama said last night about the easing of sanctions and that being on the table. >> there is the possibility of a phased agreement in which the first phase would be us halting any advances on their nuclear program, rolling some potential back and putting in place a way where we can provide them some very modest relief but keeping the sanctions' architecture in
place, keeping the core sanctions in place. >> republican senator bob corker is trying to limit the administration's abilities to waive or ease these sanctions. what do you think is the right move here? >> what the administration is trying to do is thread the proverbial needle. they've got to keep enough of the sanctions in place to keep the pressure on. any relief needs to be reversible. on the other hand, they've got to give the iranians enough in order so that they can go defend the deal in their political system. i think the critical thing will be this question that anything relieved can be reversed, can be, if you will, reinstated, and that there's a degree of proportionality, that the reward, say the unfrozen assets that then become available to iran, that the reward does not seem too big for whatever it is the iranians are agreeing to. >> it seems as though there already has been something of a reward, at least if you believe the report from the daily beast's josh rogan and eli lake.
they reported today that by looking at treasury notices, the u.s. government has all but stopped the financial blacklisting of entities and people that help iran evade international sanctions. it looks as though there's already been some carrot even without any stick or any action earning those carrots. >> that would be a pretty modest carrot, kind of like the small ones you buy in the grocery store, not the big ones, and the argument would be that would be a kind of confidence building measure, really limited one. if for example these agreements, these negotiations rather came to naught, the united states could move ahead on that sort of a front with considerable dispatch. in any negotiation, you often try to create an environment where you increase the odds and that to me wouldn't be anything say that's irrevocable. >> benjamin netanyahu just met with secretary of state john kerry. he is very public about not being happy with what's shaping up to be the deal. take a listen. >> i understand the iranians are
walking around very satisfied in geneva as well they should be, because they got everything and paid nothing. the international community got a bad deal. this is a very bad deal. >> are we hurting our relationship with israel and other allies by working with iran? >> clearly the israelis and saudis are incredibly nervous. this doesn't take place in a vacuum. it takes place in the context of what was seen as american lack of reliability or consistency in syria. it takes place against the backdrop of american political dysfunction here at home. clearly, the israelis are nervous and they are also worried about being boxed in, that while such a process is going on, their ability to act independently militarily is really all but taken off the table. >> so you think that the netanyahu, his very public anger, is 100% legitimate and that's not for show in any way? >> well, again, i think it's meant to toughen the u.s.
position as you move towards the last hours potentially of negotiation. it's also meant to some extent to stimulate not just political support at home in israel but perhaps in the u.s. to get people in congress and elsewhere to scrutinize any sanctions relief that is provided to the iranians and you've got to look at an interim agreement and basically say do we get enough out of it in terms of what we potentially put into it. that's the only framework that everybody has to use. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thanks for having me. coming up on "the lead," it was meant to capture the incredible comeback of an aging sports star until the documentary project was turned on its head when lance armstrong finally admitted having used performance-enhancing drugs. next, i talk to the film maker behind quote, the armstrong lie. plus, they just named david copperfield the most powerful man in the world three years running but not even he could cast a spell to save the onion
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. time for the sports lead now. it's getting uglier in miami. they even brought his sister into it. the dolphins' jonathan martin is now fighting back through his attorney who released a statement saying this is not a matter of toughness, but that martin endured harassment from several teammates that went far beyond your typical locker room hazing and slammed that point home with a quote, allegedly made by a teammate, about what he would do to martin's sister. quote, so vulgar it would make the cigarette fall out of andrew dice clay's mouth. meanwhile, richie incognito also hired lawyers to fight his suspension without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. in other sports news, the plot line, it was going to be nothing short of epic. a cancer survivor hounded by detractors does the impossible. he returns to the sport he loves and proves them all wrong. cue the inspiring theme music and let the credits roll.
that's the film that director alex givney thought he was going to make in 2009 about lance armstrong's comeback to the world of cycling. of course, the project came to a screeching halt when the doping scandal finally engulfed the sport's biggest star. but after armstrong finally confessed to his sins, givney reopened the project and what began as a sort of fan film turned into an unflinching look at a spiraling web of lies. >> living a lie, i didn't live a lot of lies but i lived one big one. it's different, i guess. >> i certainly was very confident that i would never be caught. >> alex givney, writer and director of the armstrong lie, joins me now from new york. alex, congratulations. it's a riveting documentary, partly due to the fact that there's something, well, fascinating and maybe even frightening about how much armstrong believed the lies he was telling to the world. do you get any sense that he's
sorry for what he did or just sorry that he got caught? >> i think he's sorry for what he did to an extent, but i think most people feel that he's not sorry enough. i think he hasn't really grappled with the damage that he did off the bike. i think the fury that served him very well on the bike turned out to be very damaging off the bike and also, he told this kind of grand story that didn't need to be so big, he told a lie that was so enormous. he didn't just say look, i have never tested positive. he would always say how dare you say that i, as a cancer survivor, would ever use performance-enhancing drugs and the enormity of that miraculous story if it were true came crashing down on him because so many people were disappointed. >> the film makes a clear case armstrong would have gotten away with it all if he hadn't returned to the tour de france in 2009. why did he come back, especially when that risk was out there? >> i think that's the big mystery of the story. that's the mystery that haunts
the story. i asked him that very question. i said didn't you think that people who had suspicions about doping before would come back after you if you came back in 2009? he didn't just say yes. he said of course. i thought wow, of course. so he knew the risk he was taking and yet i think it was too tantalizing to him. he had been so confident that he could pull it off in the past, i think also as an athlete he just couldn't stand being away from the field of battle. so he went back right into the lion's den. >> you had incredible access to armstrong for the film. you agreed to pay him for that access. he will still get a cut of the proceeds of the film despite the turn the story line ultimately took. is there any reaction from him? >> i haven't heard any reaction. because he hasn't seen it. you know, we offered him the opportunity to see it, and he sent his representatives instead. i think he should see it. i think he should see it.
>> watching the film, it's clear you had a friendly relationship with armstrong, who seems likeable on one level. you admit in the film was a time when you were rooting for him, you were a fan, you wanted him to make the impossible comeback. he calls you alex when he speaks to the camera. do you personally feel betrayed at all? >> yeah, i feel betrayed. i mean, i think i was used. that maybe is what really pissed me off the most. i understood that part of my role in the 2009 film, the comeback film, was to be part of the p.r. machinery and a guy who had done investigative films before now watching this great comeback which would then hopefully, you know, give some coloration to the magic of his career and help solve some of those questions that people had raised in the past. so that's the part i think that infuriated the most -- infuriated me the most, that i felt like i had been part of the p.r. campaign, the coverup. >> of course, there were all those people who had been trying to drop a dime and tell the
truth about him and he went out and tried to destroy them. how much did people like sheryl crow and other
people who were big parts of his life, how much did they protect him knowing what the lie was? >> i think one of the most fascinating aspects of this story is that this was a lie that hid in plain sight for many, many years and there are many people complicit in this. the sponsors, the cycling organization, celebrities, people close to armstrong, cyclists who had the code of omerta, the code of silence and the media, i would add, and us fans who you know, on the podium in 2005, armstrong said as he was leaving seemingly for the last time, i'm sorry for you who can't dream big. i'm sorry for you who don't believe in miracles. well, this is from an atheist and yet somehow, we wanted to believe in the miracle even though we knew better. and there was a huge mechanism around armstrong's lie that enabled it to happen. >> i just have to ask you.
neither one of us is qualified as a psychologist or psychiatrist but his lies just seem so deep that
it seemed almost sociopathic. that's why i think so many people are so angry at him, because they believed in him and his lies were just staggering. i mean, i really honestly, thinking about it, can't think of a bigger liar in the sports world. i know you can't diagnose him, but how deep do you think these lies are? >> here's what i think about that. i'm uncomfortable with the word sociopath, but i think he was deeply afflicted with what the police call noble cause corruption. that's what they call bad cops who slip marijuana cigarettes into people's pockets because they can't get them any other way. i think lance felt that his story was so inspiring, so good, that he could be bad. that was okay. it was okay if he went after people and went after them hard. why? because he was raising millions of dollars for cancer.
you know, a social psychologists say we may be hard-wired for social mediocrity. the grander his story became, the more vicious he lashed out at critics and the more able he was to tell the most fantastic lies straight to our forces without any compunction at all. i think there were times, in order to be a really good liar, you have to believe your lies in some fundamental way, some emotional way. i think that's what allowed him to get away with it. >> it's a brilliant work. congratulations. >> thank you. >> the armstrong lie opens in select cities today. thank you so much. coming up next, forget going to the gun show or the sporting goods store. now one company has developed a metal gun using a 3d printer and it really works. plus, it's become an almost guarantee at getting an oscar nomination. actors transforming their bodies for that coveted role. what is the ultimate cost? la's known definitely for its traffic,
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the pop culture lead now. this weekend, the dallas buyers club is expanding to more theaters after pulling in more than a quarter million dollars on just nine screens last weekend. the reviews for the film are stellar. but you won't get more than a few paragraphs in before critics mention the most attention-grabbing aspect. it stars matthew mcconaughey and jared leto lost startling amounts of weight to portray aids patients during the epidemic of the 1980s. you can imagine them practicing their oscar speeches in their
trailers as they undergo physical transformations but the big question, is it worth the health risk? >> the way you walk, the way you talk, the way you think. >> 40% of the energy i lost from the neck down sublimated to the neck up. >> for these two, transforming into their characters has become a full body experience. >> you've tested positive for hiv. >> their roles in the dallas buyers club as patients with hiv required each to embark on an intense weight loss regime, going from fit stars to dying characters within months. >> i've been looking for you. >> i stopped counting between 30 and 40 pounds. it provides a certain amount of fragility to the character which was essential here. >> essential, perhaps, to convince the audience. nothing conveys commitment to viewers more than a rigorous and intense physical transformation. it conveys commitment to voters at the academy awards, too.
just look at best actor award recipient robert deniro in "raging bull." both as young cut jake lamotta and older overweight lamotta. or best actress, charlize theron in monster. or multi award winner, tom hanks, in "philadelphia." or "castaway." hanks was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and told the bbc that gaining weight for roles did not help his health. >> you don't exercise very much and you kind of eat whatever you want to. i can't imagine that was good for blood sugar but i'm not going to say oh, i have type 2 diabetes because i did "castaway." >> celebrity nutrition experts say for actors t motivations and risks are sizeable. >> affecting weight that is far below their normal is really a difficult thing for the body to adjust to. so there's problems with sleep. there's problems with energy level. but it can be done at least safely in the time frame that's
allowed for it. >> keller helped jake gyllenhaal gain weight for 2010's "prince of persia " but he caught a different figure last month as he prepared for a smaller role. >> i'm playing a character who is hungry, literally and figuratively. >> he's a very healthy eater so i'm assuming that for this role, he's doing it in a healthy fashion. we don't totally eliminate any particular macro nutrient source and we keep the diet fairly well balanced so that we try to minimize the cravings that people have. >> for these actors, those cravings are far outweighed by their desire to look the part. >> it's one of those things where you can only fake it so much. >> mila kunis and natalie portman trained intensely for 2010's "black swan." >> i needed to have my collarbone protrude. >> repeat efforts are not uncommon. six years before "buyers club" leto played john lennon's killer
and added a whopping 67 pounds to his naturally thin frame. >> you're serious. you're not joking. >> it is kind of a gross thing to do to yourself. i will never do it again. put it that way. >> mcconaughey appears to have gained the weight back. he said he made a beeline for a cheeseburger after the movie wrapped. it was one of the biggest albums of the '90s that had us all going. not uncle joey. really? the cut it out guy? now it looks as if broadway is getting ready to swallow a jagged little pill. alannis morasette is writing a stage album that will expand her story. the musical will have the same title along with every song off the album, all of them. the same team who helped put together green day's "american idiot" musical will help with "jagged little pill". that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. for those of you in the los angeles area on veterans day, i will be speaking at the reagan library in the morning and at the nixon library in the evening.
hope you can stop by. i now turn you over to brianna keilar, filling in for wolf blitzer in a place called "the situation room." happening now, top diplomats from the u.s. and other world powers urgently trying to seal a breakthrough deal with iran on its nuclear program. but would they let iran off the hook too easily? i'll be talking with a top israeli official. and a deadly and devastating monster storm, perhaps the strongest ever recorded, pounds the philippines and takes aim at a new target. and this space craft is now disintegrating and will soon come crashing to earth in pieces. we'll be telling you what you need to know. wolf blitzer is on assignment today. i'm brianna keilar and you're in "the situation room." the u.s. and other world powers are urgently trying to nail down what would be a breakthrough agreement with iran on its nuclear program. the international community says that p