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tragedy hadn't struck 50 years ago? what if john f. kennedy may have lived? we'll look at all that tomorrow. tonight only on "360" they are supposed to care for america's veterans and some va hospitals are telling them to wait, wait for potentially life saving tests and wait more and patients are dying because of it. also, a father and well-known lawmaker is stabbed. his son is shot and people are asking did an over burdened mental health system help. george zimmerman is out on bail. as you can see, that wasn't his only legal hassle today. a story you won't see anywhere else. a cnn investigation that's literally life and death for anyone that's suspected to have cancer, any wait is too long and
medically speaking, some waits can kill. with that as the backdrop, here is the headline. some of america's military veterans, men and women owe a tremendous debt to dying. they are dying because of long waits and needed care at va hospitals. at one hospital patients die for one reason, they were made to wait too long to get a simple colonoscopy. the va has done nothing to prevent veterans dying for care. here is drew griffin keeping them honest. >> reporter: to understand the problems with the va is to start here in colombia, south carolina. where veterans waiting for simple gastrointestinal procedures like colonoscopy have been dying.
six so far confirmed and sources tell cnn, the number of vets dead or dying of cancer because they had to wait too long for diagnosis or treatment could be more than 20. >> it's very sad because people die. >> reporter: and they didn't have to die. >> they paid the ultimate price. >> reporter: at a veteran's hospital. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: dr. steven lloyd is a private physician specializing in colonoscopies and few doctors willing to speak. >> they had appointments and rescheduled much later and had an impact of going into a later stage and loss the battle to live. >> reporter: this wasn't an oversight by the hospital. documents obtained by cnn showed the hospital knew the growing waiting list and delays in care were having deadly consequences. medical investigators reviewed
the cases of 280 gastro intest yell cancer patients and found 52 of the cancer cases were associated with a delay in diagnosis and treatment. cnn obtained individual cases like this one, a vet who had to wait nine months for a colonoscopy, a significant delay that would impact the stage he was diagnosed. records indicate by the time this veteran had surgery, his cancer was at stage three. a second patient had to wait four months for an appointment. ten months for diagnosis and he had later stage cancer. without the delay, his cancer would have been diagnosed much earlier and though the report doesn't say if the vet lived or died, it does say an earlier screening would have provided earlier detection with better survival. >> there is a little problem the va had. >> reporter: o'neil sessions, a
vietnam vet is a lucky one. he says va doctors told him just this spring, he didn't even need a colonoscopy and he had one and his private physician found and removed four poll lops. some were precancerous. had he waited, he would have colon cancer. it has to be disheartening. >> yes, it is. the va is not doing the -- my feelings is that the va is not doing their prestuff that they should do to protect the veterans. >> reporter: most troubling of all is the problem here was identified. more money was given to fix the problem, and what happened? the waiting list grew. >> we appropriated a million dollars because va asked for it. >> reporter: florida congressman
jeff miller is congress of the house committee on veterans affairs. of the million dollars he specifically gave to care for vets on the waiting list, 1/3rd was used. at that same time the waiting list kept growing. in just five months, from 25 00 patients to a backlog of 3800, some patients waiting eight months for appointments. >> they will say we redialected the dollars to go somewhere else needed. where would it be more needed than to prevent the deaths of veterans? these are real people we're talking about that are being harmed, either made sick, will be sick in the future or had died. >> reporter: and it's not just delayed colonoscopies and not just in south carolina. the va says other facilities have been under scrutiny under delays of treatment and diagnosis.
in augusta, georgia, three veterans are confirmed dead as a result of delay in care and internal documents show a waiting list there, 4500 patients and the va investigated delays in atlanta, georgia, north texas and jackson, mississippi and claims there were no adverse out comes. >> long wait times and a week scheduling policy and process had been persistent problems for va and the inspector general have been reporting on these issues for more than a decade. >> reporter: debra with the government accountability office been reporting to congress on the delays in care for years. it's so bad she and her staff have found evidence the va hospitals try to cover up wait times, fudge numbers, back date delayed appointments to make things look better than they are. just getting someone to pick up the phone to make an appointment
can be difficult. >> care is being delayed, it's no doubt. >> it's unclear how long because no one can really give you accurate information. >> reporter: and report after report, the government accountability office makes recommendations but the problems per cyst at many hospitals. >> nothing is fully implemented that we know of at this point. >> so you make recommendations and they say they are working on it? >> yes, and we will be following up. >> reporter: in fact, time and time again, even at hospitals where veterans died waiting for care, administrators got bonuses, not demotions according to congressional investigator tors. cnn's request for interviews with the va have been denied and congress had its request ignored. >> if they treat members of congress, the u.s. house and the senate this way, imagine how they treat the average veteran out there, the person who has served that's trying to get
information from them. i can't imagine the grief they may be going through. >> reporter: for the veterans waiting for care in south carolina, the va would grant no interview, but told us the consult delay at dorn vamc has been resolved. cases are now tracked daily and additional staff hired. but sources at dorn, both patients and medical staff tell cnn that's just not true. the problems continue, and veterans are still facing delays in care that could be killing them. >> and drew griffin is joining us now. drew, this isn't getting any better, the veterans are just waiting and waiting, is that right? >> that's right. we've learned this is a waiting list system. the appointment system is antiquated. it fails them time and time again. we did learn there was an internal system-wide review but quite frankly, congress, the
inspector's general, the government accountability office have heard this before and our sources tell us it just doesn't seem to get better. >> the one thing we didn't see in your reporting is anyone responding to this directly from the veterans administration. i know you tried to get reaction. >> yeah, and this was kind of stunning. the va's administration is really thumbing their nose at us, but also thumbing their nose at congress, let me tell you what were we told, wolf. we requested an interview with the national medical director what i think is a serious issue. a public affair's officer said the chances are slim to none and in fact, the answer is no. >> shocking. i know this report will generate reaction. we'll watch it together with you, drew. good reporting, thanks very much. a quick reminder, if you have a story idea for drew or cnn, go to cnn.com/investigations, let us know what you have. just ahead, what could be another case of life and death
and timely access to health care, in this case mental health care. a father and rising political star nearly killed, police suspect his son took his life. could it be prevented? dr. drew is joining us later. a legal double whammy for george zimmerman. the criminal charges he faces and the legal surprise he got in jail. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters.
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not be fully known. what is coming to light is how troubled gus deeds may have been and how far his family went to help him and how far short that help may have left everyone concerned. there is a lot we're learning now. chris lawrence is joining us from not far where the senator is recovering. what's the latest? >> reporter: he's upgraded to fair condition from critical. police are not searching for additional suspects. the mystery of exactly what happened and why rests entirely with the father and son who the only two in that house when this alter case happened. it happened this morning. remember, this was a man who was running for governor just a few years ago with his son by his side, but police say there was an altercation this morning when deeds was stabbed multiple times in the upper torso and the head. his son would die from a single gunshot wound.
deeds walked 75 yards down a hill, out to a main road where his cousin picked him up, called 911 and then he was airlifted to the hospital. wolf? >> chris, according to reports, the senator's son gus was given a mental health evaluation yesterday and released. what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right, the "richmond times" is reporting that gus deeds was brought in under an emergency custody order to the local county hospital. he was evaluated there, but then turned away after a few hours because there were no beds available. now, the facility will not confirm that he was brought in under that order, but they do say anyone who is brought in under that particular order cannot be held any longer than six hours. cnn also reached out to virginia officials to get an explanation of the bed policy. they tell us that the
availability of beds across the state for these types of emergencies is quote tight, but normally, combing multiple hospitals around an area, normally a bed is found. this is an extremely rural area, limited cell phone service, not that many other hospitals around. >> what do we know about the relationship between father and son? >> reporter: by all accounts, it was very close. cnn, again, spoke with the family friend just tonight who said look, they had a close relationship. the son was a student at the college of william and marry since 2007. he dropped out for a time to help his father campaign. we saw those pictures of them together on the campaign trail. in fact, this family friend says that the father and the son sort of -- he moved his son back in with him recently to try to help him get his life together, and that sort of indicates the
family knew in this case there were perhaps some trouble, some problems and may have been trying to get him the help that he needed, wolf? >> chris lawrence reporting. i want to bring in addiction medicine specialist, dr. drew, the host of "dr. drew on call" and author of "when a child kills." dr. drew, the fact an emergency custody order was issued for senator deeds' son yesterday, what does that tell you and what does that mean? >> that tells you that he could be held against his will, in a state he could not be relied upon to have any judgment about his own care. that's a status specific to virginia reserved for people seriously ill, mentally ill and require an emergency, emergency room evaluation. then they can have a judicial action for treatment, but these are very cumbersome procedures. doctors can't do their job because of what they get into if patients don't want treatments there are rights and privileges
supercede their safety and around them. >> a county official said the senator's son gus was released from a psychiatric facility because there were no beds available. you heard that in chris lawrence's report. does that make sense to you? >> no, it doesn't make sense. that's possibly true that might have been another element in the decision making, but usually what happens is the patient reconstitutes and the family reassures everybody they will take care of him and many times against the doctor's better judgment, the patient is allowed to go out with pressure from the patient and family, but the reality is clearly this kid should have machine dated treatment and that would have ended up in a better place. he could have adequate care and done well. >> paul, you say that in cases where an older child kill as parent, they usually have a good relationship. a lot of people i think would find that surprising.
explain. >> yeah, it's counter intuitive. every year, wolf, in the united states 1.5 to 2% of all homicides are people who kill their parents, kids who kill their parents and in these circumstances, it's counter intuitive but they have a close relationship, especially people in their early 20s typically with the parent. it's that the parent and the child have sort of a meshed relationship, and when you see these tragedies happen, usually they have been a long time in coming and while they sometimes can be prevented through adequate mental health intervention, often times, just the tightness of the relationship and the volatility of it, so under current of real anxiety in the relationship, even though the parent loves a child and shows the child great concern. these cases are also marked by great emotion. in fact, what we heard in this case that there was numerous
stab wounds, one of the phenomenons is over kill where the parent is not stabbed once but numerous times. i represented teenagers all over the united states and young people throughout the united states who committed these offenses where there are numerous shotgun, numerous gun wounds or stab wounds. it seems uncommon but we do see these cases throughout the country, unfortunately on a regular basis. >> that's unfortunate. you say this isn't about whether they had a good relationship or not. the issue is the son's mental health particularly whether or not he was homicidal or suicidal, right? >> yeah, and paul and i really say the same thing, this is a meshed relationship with a young man, dad and young man who had severe enough mental illness he needed to be yesterday held against his will. 18 to 24 is a major window in which it emerges. it's in that window these things
can become symptom i can and parents, mesh parents think they can handle it. it smells like the family reassured the doctors they would take care of things. there certainly is no blame. we want to take care of our kids. we think we can. but many times they need to be in the system. >> you want to weigh in, paul? >> yeah, in these cases there is something called -- these homicides happen in the homicide, suicide access and i'm sure dr. drew knows. when people get so severely depressed, we're talking about long-term depression. these kids ruminated about these offenses. they have thought about the killing before hand and if you are at a point where you could think regularly about killing yourself and killing somebody else, that switch gets turned off and it's much easier to kill the person who you're with and also kill yourself and so we see
this homicide suicide flip regularly in these kinds of cases. in fact, a number on my cases, the kids thought about killing themselves or tried to kill themselves with hours, minutes or days of the homicide. >> pretty shocking stuff. thanks very much dr. drew pin sky, thanks to you as well. >> thank you. >> you can catch dr. drew's program on hln. for more go to cnn.com. up next, george zimmerman charged again in florida, this time with assault. we're looking at his repeated run ins with the law. a florida congressman charged with cocaine possession. m the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you.
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crime and punishment. george zimmerman is a freeman tonight. earlier handcuffed and wearing a prison jump suit he appeared before a judge. he was arrested yesterday charged with aggravated assault, domestic battery and criminal mischief. his girlfriend called 911 alleging he pointed a shot gown at her. here is part of that call. >> are you serious? >> 911, police fire or medical? >> i need police right now. >> okay. what's your address? >> you're breaking stuff in my house. >> ma'am? ma'am? what's going on? >> he's in my house breaking all my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave. he has his gun breaking all my stuff right now. no, this is not -- i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table. you just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my freaking
face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out because this is not your house. no, get out off here. >> what is your name? okay. where is his weapon at? >> he just put it down. >> okay. and this is -- >> no, get out of my house. do not push me out of my house. >> calm down. >> are you serous right now? are you [ bleep ] kidding me? he just pushed me out of my house and locked me out. >> okay. you're outside now? >> yeah, he locked me out of my house. >> he will be arraigned in january and prosecutors allege he tried to choke his girlfriend ten days ago and he's not charged with that, not yet. we learned while he was in jail last night, his estranged wife shelley served him with divorce papers. since the summer when he was acquitted with second-degree murder in the death of trayvon martin, he's had several run inns with the law.
david has that story tonight. >> we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> many thought this was the last time they would see george zimmerman inside a courtroom, 15 months after his arrest for killing martin and a high-intensity trial george zimmerman walks out a freeman. his not guilty verdict sparked protest across the country. after all the media attention, his lawyer said he wanted to get back to life as a private citizen. >> he now needs to get on with his life after having suffered several traumas. >> reporter: but on july 28th he was involved with law enforcement again. zimmerman is pulled over for speeding in texas. >> where are you heading? >> nowhere in particular. >> nowhere in particular? why do you say that? >> reporter: he tells the officer he has a gun in his glove compartment.
zimmerman is let off with a warning. about a month later on september 3rd, he's pulled over again for speeding this time in florida. the stop recorded by a camera worn by the officer. he gets a ticket but this time no weapon in the car. >> put your hands up. >> then, more serious troubles with the law. >> on your knees. cross your feet. >> reporter: on september 9th, four days after zimmerman's wife shelley files for divorce, she calls 911 and tells authorities that he showed up to her father's house and brandished his firearm. >> he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer. he's just threatening all of us -- >> step closer and what? >> and he's going to shoot us. >> okay. >> reporter: police briefly detained zimmerman and never charged him citing insufficient evidence and that brings the saga back to the present in seminole county, florida. >> he's in my housebreaking all
my [ bleep ] because i told him to leave. you broke your sunglasses and put your gun in my freaking face. >> george zimmerman's girlfriend of the last few months tells authorities he pointed a shotgun at her. zimmerman calls 911 as well and wants to tell his side of the story. >> what is going on there? >> my girlfriend for lack of a better word is going crazy again. >> reporter: he insists he never pointed a gun at his girlfriend but is arrested and charged with felony aggravated assault. they argued over her pregnancy and her desire to raise her baby on the own, which she denies to police. >> good afternoon mr. zimmerman. >> reporter: today four months after being acquitted in the murder of trayvon martin, zimmerman was back in court and could face years in prison.
david mattingly, cnn, sanford, florida. >> let's dig deeper on george zimmerman's new legal issues. just a little while ago, i spoke with sunny hostin, a former prosecutor and mark geragos, an attorney. >> we know the former girlfriend had another alleged incident involving some violence, alleged violence we should say from zimmerman, what, about a week or so. the allegation being battery by strangulation. if true, how does that figure into this whole case? >> well, the judge already considered that and raised his bail. his bail was normally going to be about $5,000 and the judge upped it to about $9,000 but shows this pattern of domestic violence. this is not the first time he's been down this path. since 2005, this is the third woman that has alleged that he has physically abused her. now we have this new girlfriend that is saying not only was he violent to her just recently and
sort of, you know, put this gun in her face, but then also strangled her, tried to strangle her last week. >> but -- >> sunny -- >> mark, mark -- >> the easiest way -- george zimmerman is to call the police and say george is waving a gun. >> are you kidding me? are you saying he's the most unlucky person in the world that all of these women are alleging really the same exact thing -- >> no. >> is he the victim or just unlucky? >> i'm not saying that, but i will tell you it's entirely possible that somebody understands if you want to get rid of george zimmerman, the east easiest way to do it is pick up the phone and say he's got a gun. >> someone said this is a case of he said, she said after hearing the two 911 calls, one from the former girlfriend, one from zimmerman. i'll play a little of both of the calls to 911. listen to this. >> he's in my housebreaking my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave.
he has his gun breaking all of my stuff right now. no, this is not -- >> okay. >> i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table. you just broke my sunglasses and put your gun in my freaking face. are you freaking kidding me? he just pushed me out of my house and locked me out. >> okay. you're outside now? >> yeah, he locked me out of my house. >> okay. what is going on there? >> my girlfriend is, for lack of a better word, going crazy again. >> okay the police is already there so why are you calling? happened? >> i just want everyone to know the truth. >> okay. the officers can speak with you on scene. have you already spoken with them 124. >> no, but they are pretty upset i think. >> are there any weapons in the house? >> i have a weapon. she has weapons in the house. >> what about your weapon? >> it's in a bag locked. >> mark, the deputies were
outside the door trying to get into the house. zimmerman was inside, rather than open the door, he calls 911 to supposedly tell his side of the story. does that strike you as odd? >> no, it's generous. whoever calls 911 first is the victim when the cops come out, especially in domestic violence. they understand when the cops are there, they don't care what he says. they will have her tape on the 911 call. so when he's doing is he's calling 911 because then there is going to be a record of it. he sounds calm and deliberate. i think a stroke of generous. i'm surprised more defendants don't do it. >> you think it's a stroke of genius. >> it's someone who clearly is really familiar with the ins and outs of the legal system. i'm terrified how calm he is in comparison to what we're hearing from the real victim i think in
this case, the woman is saying -- >> sunny, you've made up your mind who is the real victim and who is not. i get it. >> i've tried domestic violence cases. i've tried domestic violence cases. >> how do you know she's the real victim? >> he's had three of them. three women since 2005 accusing him of the same exact behavior there is such a clear pattern. >> she's not being convicted -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> it's three strikes he's out. >> final thought, the comparison is being made between george zimmerman and o.j. simpson, sunny, your thought? >> yeah, the first thing that came to my mind, wolf, when i heard about this case. often times you see defendants who have been convicted in the court of public opinion much like george zimmerman but not convicted in the court and of then time when is you exhibit this kind of criminal behavior,
you will end up back within the legal system and we see this resolving door, and i think that's where george zimmerman is headed. >> well, the problem with sunny's analysis is he hasn't been convicted. we have this thing that gets into her crawl which is called the presumption of innocence and as long as you haven't been convicted, i don't think you should use a subsequent case to redress the prosecutors from before. >> mark geragos, sunny hostin, guys, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. >> thank you. just ahead, politics and cocaine, this time south of the canadian boarder, the charges that freshman congressman trey radel is facing. magic johnson, the day he told the world he is hiv positive and why he says his good health today as a course and not just a blessing and also opens up about his gay son.
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charged with possession of cocaine. he faces a possible sentence of 180 days. he apologized in a statement. dana bash joins us now with the latest. dana, what's the latest we know about this arrest, how it unfolded because it happened late last month. we are just finding out about it now. >> it's surprising that the arrest did happen two weeks ago. it didn't get out. it was a scene out of the tv show "the house of cards." the charges were filed today and he should be due in court tomorrow. >> i understand the congressman released a statement. what is he saying? >> he's not denying it. he's not denying using cocaine or being charged or arrested for possessing it and he's apologizing to his constituents for letting them down, letting him family down and announced he's an alcoholic.
lead me read you part of the statement. he said i struggle with the disease of alcoholism and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice as the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, i need to get help so i can be a better man for both of them. >> any reaction, dana, from senior republicans? this is a first-term congressman and doesn't have a lot of name reck nation outside of his district. do you think he'll get support from party leaders? >> he's a freshman republican and the party leader, the main one, john boehner said members of congress should be held to the highest standards but this should be handled through the courts and by his family and his constituents so it's unclear if the house would move to reprimand him in any way. i think that will be determined what happens with the courts. you're right, trey radel is not a household name but someone who caught the attention of a lot of us who cover capitol hill because he's 37, quite young and
part of a new breed of lawmakers in both party whose are trying to break the mold and change things. he tries to be a different republican, not a tea party guy. wolf, he called himself a hip-hop republican. >> he's a former journalist, news anchor and intern at cnn. >> he was. that's how i got to talk to him first when he was sworn in this year because he came up to me and let me know he was an intern a few years ago for our nut work. >> dana bash, thanks so much for the reporting. there is a lot more happening tonight. susan hendrix has the "360" news and business bulletin. wolf, an update to a story from last night. the white supremacist set to die is granted is stay of execution. he killed as many as 22 people in the late '70s targeting african americans and jus and shot larry flint. the alleged gunman in the
shooting at lax is out of the hospital now. the suspect was shot by police during the incident november 1st. after being released from the hospital this morning, u.s. marshals took him into custody. and the death toll continues to rise after the devastating typhoon in the philippines. more than 4,000 people have now been reported dead. more than 18,000 are injured and 1600 missing. residents of washington, illinois were allowed to return to get personal belongings today or what is left after a tornado damaged about a thousand homes in the city, really levelled the homes. at least eight people died as multiple storms ripped through the midwest. the air force launched 29 satellites into or bit tonight, the most ever launched at one time. they were aboard a rocket that lifted off from a facility in virginia a short time ago and included the first satellite made by high school students ever to go into space. so those students are proud tonight, wolf.
>> that was going on. susan, thanks very much. just ahead, anderson's big 360 interview with irvin magic johnson. he opens up about his gay son and decision 22 years ago to tell the world he is hiv positive. >> i'm the blessing and the curse of hiv. >> how do you mean? >> i'm the blessing because people are talking about it and ran out and got tested at that time. i'm the curse because of what you just said. people now say oh, well, hiv is nothing because if i get it, i can be like magic. he's doing good. i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time. where i work, over 400 people are promoted every day.
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few people will mark aids world day with the perspective or irvin magic johnson. it's been more than two decades since he announced he was hiv positive and retired from the lakers. he was only 32. to fully appreciate it, you need to remember what was going around hiv then. he became proof hiv can strike anyone. he helped change attitudes and still is. today johnson's good health is testament to how far treatment has come. and his son e.j. has come out as gay. in his first interview he opened up to anderson about all of this.
>> it's amazing to me, it's been, what, almost 2 two years since you announced you were hiv positive. take me back to that moment. how frightening was that, to make that announcement at that time? >> yeah, it was definitely frightening. you didn't talk openly about hiv and aids. you had to whisper about something like that and then i had to go in front of the world and tell them, you know, i had hiv. so you talking about an emotional roller coaster ride on that day. >> on the one hand you want people to understand this is a condition like diabetes, you can live a normal long life with this but at the same time, do you think there is young people that feel like it's no big deal being positive? >> yeah, because i'm the blessing and the course of hiv. >> how do you mean? >> i'm the blessing because people ran out and got tested at that time and the course because what you just said, people say oh, well, hiv is nothing, because if i can get it, i can
be like magic. he's doing good. i can do the same think he's doing and take the same medicine he's taking and be okay. in 22 years millions of people have died. >> there is one in five american whose are hiv positive, never been tested and don't know it. >> don't know it and they are infecting other people, so that's the biggest challenge and problem right now. >> get people tested. >> get people tested. when i first announced it, everybody ran out and got tested. magic johnson? it happened to him? then it can happen to me. now, everything else is at the forefront, hiv and aids -- >> people don't talk about it anymore. >> no, no. >> you don't see it on the news. you don't see it on television shows. there is a silence around it again, which is killing people. >> yeah, it's killing people. and then you think about -- here
these people are going around who don't know and infecting other people, and it just keeps going. it just keeps going and keeps going. so this really hurt the black and brown community. >> the fact that young people, you know, people who have received the education about it know, you know, they probably had it in school, maybe they know about safe sex are still getting infected. how do you overcome that? how do you stop it? >> that's the challenge. they think nothing can happen to them. at the end of the day, in our community, we have to start accepting those who are gay in your family. like my son e.j. come out. cooky and i will support our son 150% but we're one of the minorities in this. in the black community, young gay men or young ladies who are lesbian are afraid to tell their
parents. i want my son e.j. to talk to me about everything. i want my son andre to talk to me, my daughter elissa. yes, i go to church, i'm a christian, but at the same time, this is reality, you know. my son is gay, that's reality. nothing is going to change. i tell pastors that. i tell my pastors, other pastors. i tell black christians who came after me, you know, i said hey, i love my son. nothing will change that. i don't care if you don't agree and you don't want to deal with me or don't like me, that -- that's on you. but i said, tell me when it hits your own family, you know, then you going to have to make a decision. >> having a gay son, did that kind of change your perspective in any way? >> no, no, because i think for me, first of all, i have gay friends but dealing 22 years ago, you know, it was basically
a white gay man's disease, so i was in that fight with them. okay? they did a wonderful job of educating their community, a wonderful job. >> extraordinary. >> extraordinary. >> we need to learn from them, the black community and latino community. it didn't change because i've been working side by side with gays for a long time. i think what i wanted the gay community to do for me is help my son, right? gave him the right information. help him to grow and be a good young man, things i can't talk about that i don't know about they can help him. so that's what i want. >> you're proud of your son? >> i am. i mean -- you know, my son is a senior. he's doing great, and he loves himself. what he did was he saved a lot of people's lives, too. because -- also, a lot of young people decide to tell their parents once he came out so it's great to see that. >> an honor to talk to you, thank you. >> my pleasure, thank you.
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