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>> chris christie is not the real world. chris christie is a fat nightmare. >> a fat nightmare, well, i look forward to watching that. tonight we go behind the headlines and the duck dynasty outrage and we will look what happens when reality stars gets real and why nobody is shocked when it actually happens. a 360 exclusive, dr. sanjay gupta, an expert in treating pain. why did his patients in his clinic o.d. and die? hackers take aim at target shoppers. what you need to know if you hold one of the 40 million credit and debit cards compromised in one of the biggest data rip off in records. first, we begin in london.
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dozens hurt. nick robertson is there. nic? >> reporter: anderson, 76 people injured so far we're told switch of them seriously injured taken away by paramedics on the scene within minutes. the fire service spokesman said that a 30 foot by 30 foot section of the ceiling in this more than 100 year old theater collapsed on the audience below. eyewitnesss we told you said they were injured about the first 40 minutes of the performance. then it was dark. then there was an indication of people starting to react to something. they thought it was part of the performance. then they said there was a cracking, a creaking sound from the ceiling. the ceiling began to bend and it gave way. all of a sudden, showers of plaster and wood work on the audience below. people got out relatively quickly. ushers they say opened the doors for them. people helping those sitting next to them to get out. we're told by the eyewitnesss, that as they were inside the theater, they were then helped out into a neighboring theater
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where they were given medical assistance and the walking wounded were able to leave the area. some of the people treated on site for up to about two hours before they were taken away in ambulances. right now, the fire service appeared to have secured the building, the traffic is now restarted on the street outside the apollo theater, but they to ascertain what happened and ensure the building is safe for people to get back into and make whatever repairs are necessary, anderson? >> nic, thanks very much. now duck dynasty, a reality show, which means it bares only a glancing resemblance to actually reality. unlike a reality show, it's a carefully produce, heavily promoted, entertainment packed vehicle. the people in it are not quite themselves on the screen. they play carefully produced versions of themselves, sometimes hyped up, sometimes
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toned down and always edited, always marketed. so when the star phil robertson said what he said to "gq" magazine, it was not the reality show phil robertson talking, it was presumably the real phil robertson which led the network to suspend him. the question tonight. is any of this worth fighting over? one thing is clear, to a&e, it's worth millions. in 2012, this family made their debut on a&e. "duck dynasty" is a reality show that made a fortune in products for duck hunters. >> 40 years ago, my father phil robertson invented a revolutionary duck caller that changed the duck industry and our way of life forever. >> the pat reark of the show,
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phil robertson. >> my happiness is killing things. >> reporter: robertson is plain spoken religious traditional sort of guy. >> here is the deal, cell phones, not for me. texting i'm like no, shut it down, turn it off. >> reporter: in the four seasons the show has been on the air, he's never been afraid to express your opinion. >> if you're making cooks better, than your mama, you got one. >> reporter: it's that unfiltered opinion that makes it the most-watched program on america. >> kids in america today are fat, lazy. >> reporter: in the january issue of "gq" magazine he said sinful, start out with homosexuality behavior and morph out from there and sleeping with that woman and that woman and those men. he also told, "gq," quote. >> you must be phil?
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>> i'm what's left of it. >> reporter: a&e suspended him after it came out. saying quote, his personal views do not support the network's who are champions of the lgbt community. the network placed robertson on hiatus and from filming indefinitely. robertson talked about his upbringing in the south before the civil rights era and told "gq," quote, i never with my eyes saw the mistreatment of any black person, not once he said and also said pre-entitlement, pre- welfare you say were they happy? they were godly. they were happy. no one was singing the blues. the naacp and human rights campaign wrote a letter to a&e expressing outrage but robertson has plenty of defenders. sarah palin after spending time with the robertson's called it a free speech issue on her
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facebook page and louisiana governor bobby jindal call the robertson family, quote, great citizens, a petition has more than 19,000 signatures so far. >> women are like lab retrievers they have quarks. you stay married to one, you learn to grow with the quarks. >> reporter: a and e says he is on hiatus, it's not clear if he'll appear in a premiere episode in season five which is less than a month away. because phil robertson weighed no on a wide range of sexual and religious themes, there is a lot to talk about with our panel. dan panel is with us. he writes the salvage love and also with us is charles blow and dan ross. dan, are you -- should this guy have been taken off the air by a a&e? >> am i allowed to not have a an opinion? >> sure. >> that was a decision they made. most of the outrage is the comments about gay people.
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he's saying because gay sex eeks him out, they aren't. i'm grossed out by straight sex. i'm gay, i think straight sex is icky. i think they should be able to marry, adopt and have children. straight people can't get past that. this -- factor means they can't be of sorts. i actually thought we said about african-americans in the south under jim crow was so much more offensive. >> they were happy, never heard them complains -- >> at a time an african-american looked oddly to a white person they could be lynched. >> for you, those were the comments he thought were much more controversial? >> much more offensive. this is america and sex is what we would rather talk about than race or anything else. so he invoked gay people's rear ends, means that will be the conversation instead of the offensive things he said about african-americans. >> charles blow, should he have been suspended? >> he's a media figure working
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for the media company. i think the media company has the right to do. he has the right to say what he wants to say. nobody is saying go out and arrest him, he's broken a law. he has not. he has a right to say what he wants to say. the media company has a right to say does what this person say align with our values, our brand, with our audience? if it does not and it is very likely written into a contract somewhere, if it does not, we have the right to no longer air you on our network, and that is what they have done. they have a right to do that. what i find strange, though, is that people don't -- do have opinions about when somebody should be taken off the air and when they should not, and they are not very consistent about that. you had martin say something really horrible about sarah palin and everybody saying this guy has to go. all -- it's not a free speech issue. he shouldn't be able to say that and stay on the air. all of a sudden, this guy in the entertainment vehicle says something offensive about a lot of different things, it's homophobic, racially intensive, offensive against religions and
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the same corner of the kind of -- the ideological spectrum is saying this is a free speech issue. i think you have to say, be consistent about it. i think the media company, do whatever you're going to do. sometimes they let people stay on, sometimes they let people apologize, sometimes they lay low and blow over. do whatever you're going to do, i don't care. if you're going to be out in a public setting, i have an opinion about it and charging and waiting for somebody to be taken off the air, you have to be consistent about that, and i don't think that's happening. >> i was interested that the comments on gay people got more attention than the attention on african-americans and his belief under jim crow laws they weren't happy and singing the blues. >> i was interested in that, too, because i didn't know about it. somebody tweeted to me that the homophobic stuff and i assumed that was the whole -- >> the things he said on gays and lesbians are not different than what is preached -- it's -- you know, religious believes
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held by many people. just because somebody has -- >> i think -- >> -- beliefs, should they be taken off the air? >> this is the ambiguity, it's a little unclear what a&e is suspending him for, punishing him for, et cetera. if you look what he said about gay people, it's a mix of course and i think offensive comments about genitals and rear ends and so on, nix -- mixed in with some boilerplate quasi paraphrase and about homosexual sex to adultery there are christians leaping to his defense feeling this is a case where essentially a&e is saying -- and i think this is something that's becoming a fairly common opinion, actually in our culture, traditional doctrine on this question is bigoted and doesn't deserve a
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public dialogue. i would also say, though, i think the issue for a&e here, and i completely agree they are a private company and can do what they want, there is a layer of corporate hypocrisy here where yes, it's a reality at the show and scripted and we know it's not really real. but the whole free song of this show, the whole appeal is hey, let's look at these fascinating, slightly cooky, red neck christians from louisiana and see what they are really like. for the network to profit so handsomely off this window of so-called rednecks in louisiana and then act so offended when guess what, they turn out to say the things you might expect self-proclaimed rednecks from louisiana to say is ridiculous. "duck dynasty" is airing on reruns all weekend. if they actually -- if they wanted to make a stand on principle here, they should probably cancel the show, which i suspect they are not going to do.
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>> we'll take a short break and continue the conversation after the break. later, what you can do if you swiped your card at target and hacker swiped your numbers. we'll have the answers about the massive data theft coming up.
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welcome back, we're talking about the "duck dynasty" controversy. >> any gay expression at all to adultery, which is a form of heterosexual expression, he compared it to dog rape, to somebody raping an animal, and that is increasingly impermissible i think in the public discourse, especially when so many people that want to make those analogies and lean on the testament that expresses heterosexual or sexual. if your daughter is not a virgin on her wedding night you have to stone her to death, period, the end. >> if your child talks back to your parents -- >> and sexual prescriptions and ignore the same people that
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invoke the same sexual prescriptions in the bible ignore out of hand, dismiss out of hand when they apply to hets row -- heterosexuals. >> i would say i agree with dan about the comments about bestiality and those are things i don't think christians should be defending and i don't think religious people should get in a situation where any time anybody says something obnoxious or nasty about gay people, they should spring to their defense because you have to take the side of the persecuted kruven and the -- christian and culture wars. by the same token, i believe there is a selective attitude, i think, here in the media, in corporate america, in a lead circle, where it's like, we love these duck dynasty guys and like they are quirky and stuff, but
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keep your christian faith nicely off stage and so on -- >> keep your bigotry and hypocrisy off stage is the point. >> i think the question, dan, is setting aside the specific comparisons to issues of stoning in the old testament and so on, those things in christian doctrine, you know, the ideas that the whole mosiac law doesn't apply in the present day but the prohibition on sex outside heterosexual marriage remain and that's going to remain a feature of christian teaching for most conservative teaching of in a society of tolerant homosexuality. >> the christians have a problem with sex outside of heterosexual. 96% of people are not virgins on their wedding nights. christians don't go to the mattresses on that. despite the fact that the only time jesus talked about
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marriage and gay sex and he explicitly said divorce is a sin -- >> that's absolutely true but in defense -- >> to ban divorce, rewrite constitutions to ban it -- >> first of all, there is actually a divorce reform movement in conservative christian circles, it just doesn't have a lot of political influence. second, i would just point out. if you look at robertson's quotations, he specifically said in other interviews and in follow-up places, i was a sexual sinner too in my youth. i mean, i think the idea that no christian ever talks about, you know, what is wrong with heterosexual and premarital sex seems to be a little bit of an exaggeration. >> we'll see how long it lasts. this show is still on the air so for their talk of a hiatus. to me, i was annoyed by alec baldwin using the f word and then lying about it afterward. for some reason, this doesn't really surprise me or offend me particularly. i don't think that all people
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have to have the same thought and have to agree with or have to like gay people, as long as they are not passing laws against them. >> when i was reading -- we were present at the interview so you can't pick up those subtleties. he didn't seem like he was saying something to be malicious. you don't have to be malicious to do harm. and the second part of that. there is a staggering amount of ignorance in what he is saying in that interview, particularly as dan was saying before. his relationship to african-americans in that part of the world that are in west monroe. i grew up an hour away from there. i'm from the same area. you can say you lived however many decades and say you have never seen african-americans treated in any way that was -- that was bad or i'm paraphrasing
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him now, or to suggest that black people were happier and never singing the blues during jim crow but happened after the fact is a staggering amount of ignorance for someone to display. that doesn't mean he doesn't have to right to say it but my god -- >> this is what the right wants to do. they want to redefine free speech saying we have a right to opinions and you don't have a right to an opinion about our opinion and you're violating speech rights. or it's thought control. no. no, you have a right to my opinion -- >> dan, have i -- representing the right here, have i said anything like that in this conversation? >> let's get sarah palin on the air and she'll say exactly that. >> well, fine. >> if you want to have arguments with sarah palin about serious issues, then i'll get martin bashir on the air. >> i don't want to do that. i like ross on the air. i enjoy your take on things. >> he essentially made the argument, i have a right to my
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opinions and when you argue with me, you're somehow violating my free speech rights of employing the free speech rights of your own. >> i just don't see that as a problem that's in any way unique to the right wing. i would say to return to where anderson and everybody started this conversation, i think in general, when it's bashir or the duck dynasty guy or anybody else, the habit of saying something offensive and not apologize, we should ban them. >> do you think bashir should still be on msnbc -- >> i wasn't a fan. i don't think he needed absolutely to resign. i think there is a lot to be said of people apologizing and moving on with their careers. >> i would say there is a difference between a news anchor who is representing your network, and a guy whose on a show that happens to be on your network. this is a guy on a reality show -- >> a reality show --
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>> all about different walks of life. >> i don't think there is a huge difference. that's the business they are in. msnbc was in the news business. a&e is in the entertainment business. this is an entertainer as a part of your brand. it -- with all of these media companies, these are brands and you're extending that by allowing whomever on your network to be on that network. you can pull somebody in or let them go at any moment. that's part of it. >> the duggers who have that terrible show how many babies that woman can have in one lifetime, they are socially consecutive christians. and one child works in the security research and they are against gay marriage and sinful. nobody is calling for that show to be pulled off the air, nor should anyone, nor would i support that. >> so much of reality television is built around exploitation
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around sex, violence, and absolutely terrible people. one thing you see in the reaction from christians and conservatives is not so much defense of evening i said and i agree with the racial comments everything he said was reasonable and i think he should apologize. at the same time, in an industry built in exploitation to single out this one guy for suspension and so forth just seems a little bit silly. >> that one guy, the big brother house, they had a bunch of people saying homophobic and racist things and as soon as they got off the show, they lost their jobs. this happens, it's not just this one guy. people don't like to be associated with people who are homophobic or racist. >> i guess i'm making a broader point, which is homophobic comments are treated differently from -- i mean, sexist comments, ing you know, the people that seth mcfarland can go from hosting the oscars to making movies that make racial and sexual jokes and the particular focus on what is wrong with backwoods
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consecutive christians in this case just seems to be, there is a broader spectrum that doesn't get touched. >> thanks very much. next, reaction from a pastor who was defrocked for officiating his gay son's marriage. did i tell you i am on the... [ both ] chicken pot pie diet! me too! [ male announcer ] so indulgent, you'll never believe they're light. 100-calorie progresso light soups.
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the controversy over duck dynasty in the end is about a reality show takes place against a backdrop of true reality. today that reality includes the defrocking of united methodist pastor. my next guest is pastor frank schaefer. appreciate you being with us. before we talk about the
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specifics of you being defrocked, i want to ask your thoughts on this duck dynasty controversy, about the statements, the suspension, what do you make of it? >> i am very, very disappointed at statements like this in general because they really are uninformed. here you have some people that are lay people that really don't do a lot of research in terms of how to understand the scripture's right and how to interpret them, making statements that are so harmful and hurtful and to the lgbt community, and it's just outrageous. >> it's interesting, though, there are plenty of passages that one can point to in the bible, which support those who say look, you know, the bible does not approve of homosexuality. in fact, it's described as being an abomination in one text. there are plenty of passages,
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which also say that a child who curses their parents should be put to death or prohibit eating shell fish and adulters should be put to death. why do you think those passages are glossed over and it's often the homosexuality or same sex, on homosexuality that are focused on? >> in my book, this is an agenda people have because they certainly don't believe any longer that the earth is flat, which is also biblical in the old testament but they pick and choose what they feel is still relevant out of those passages and it really shows their agenda. let me just add to that that in my studies, what i've discovered is that really none of the passages that talk about homosexuality or touch on homosexuality really are about committed, loving, homosexual relationships.
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they are always cast in inappropriate behavior. for instance, the passage that gets quoted a lot from saddam and komara, here you clearly have a situation where we're dealing with rape, and not a committed loving homosexual relationship. >> it's interesting to me in how 100 years ago there were those who used the bible to support their believe in slavery and could point to bible passages as being supportive of the notion of slavery. do you sort of see this in the same light that one's interpretation of the bible should change over time, or is the written word, the written word? >> well, i believe that everything evolves. today, we know that homosexuality is not a choice, and so today we have different knowledge, and sometimes i think people don't realize that the
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bible itself contains a development of progressive revelation. i think that's a term that many theologians like here. progressive revelation here. that means we get a more clear picture about the truth of what is, you know, what god is trying to express in the bible, in the holy scriptures and, of course, you know, the ultimate revelation of god's truth was embodied in jesus christ, we as christians believe and it's very significant to me that jesus christ never once mentioned homosexuality. >> as for your specific situation, you've now been defrocked for performing your own son's marriage to a man. you were asked to voluntary relinquish your credentials, and you said no. the united methodist church has thrown you out. when you performed your son's
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wedding, did you think the road would end up here with you being no longer a pastor in the methodist church? >> i certainly did not. i did it out of love for my son. it was an act of love and especially in his case where he had in the past struggled with his sexual orientation to a point where he was considering suicide. i thought for sure that the church would recognize that this was an act of love and that i would receive leniency. besides, i actually reported my intention to perform this wedding to my bishop and my superintendent and also afterwards, after i did it, i let them know in writing again i actually performed this wedding. i never heard a peep from them until a complaint was filed earlier this year. >> for you what happens now, will you continue to speak out? will you continue to minister? >> oh, absolutely. i tell you what, anderson, i'm
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so bless in some ways to be able to continue to share my story and share my message of inclusiveness and of love because i've been invited to so many different venues and invited by so many different churches to speak, and i'm just honored that now i actually have a much larger parish than my little country parish i was preaching at before. >> thanks very much. just ahead, a 360 exclusive. a doctor who is a leading expert in treating pain safely is under investigation by the feds after multiple deaths of patients at his clinic.
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a 360 exclusive, a chilling window on an epidemic, a surge in deaths from prescriptions. prescriptions don't write themselves. doctors do. the drug enforcement agency is investigating a utah doctor, an
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anesthesiologist and pain medicine specialist who is considered a leading expert how to safely prescribe powerful painkillers including of opioids. now he is facing multiple accusations against him. the accusations against him are stunning, but he still has his prescription pad. >> reporter: you don't want to answer questions? >> no. >> reporter: why is this man dr. lynn webster walking away from our cameras, refusing to answer questions? webster is considered a leader in the field of pain management. he's president of the american academy of pain medicine. >> we have over 100 million americans experiencing chronic pain. >> reporter: he's the author of a scoring system used by doctors to distinguish painkiller addicts from legitimate patients. and he is the founder of this pain clinic in salt lake city. what is his reputation? >> his methods are incorporated into almost every single
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educational program about prescribe i prescribing medicine. >> reporter: if you ask around, his reputation among former patients and families is different. >> his reputation is he's known as dr. death. >> reporter: known as dr. death? >> yeah. >> reporter: that's how your wife's doctor was described? >> dr. death. >> reporter: multiple overdose deaths at this pain clinic he reigns for a decade loom over him now. >> he went unconscious. >> reporter: they are allegations of irresponsible prescribing patients and one patient, the cause of death. ray's life carol ann first went to the light tree pain clinic in 2008. years earlier her car was broadsided. >> she had not had the seat belt fastened and went through the windshield. >> reporter: after several operations on her he spine, she managed her pain with low doses of painkillers.
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she's still functioning and doing what she needs to do? >> yes. >> reporter: but that would soon change when a friend suggested she go to the light tree clinic. >> carol ann was pretty much hooked. >> reporter: when you say hooked, you mean what? >> she was hooked on the pain medicine. she needed it. >> reporter: this is what carol ann was prescribed a year before her death, a painkiller and anxiety medication, between 100 and 120 pills a month. now fast forward one year. she was prescribed seven different drugs, painkillers, anti-anxiety bills and antidepressants, about 600 pills a month. the same steep climb in medications allegedly was seen among other patients that died after getting chair at life tree. like many case described in a medical malpractice claim recently filed against webster and life tree.
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a 42-year-old prescribed about 200 pills a month when she first started at life tree. that's a little more than six pills a day. seven years later before she died of an overdose, she was taking 1,158 pills per month. or about 40 each day. at the bosley home, a sad spectacle filled with denial and overdoses began unfolding. >> there were numerous times that we ended up in the emergency room for fear that she was going to die. >> reporter: bosley said he would regularly return home from work with carol ann unconscious and barely breathing. >> you took pictures of your wife essentially unconscious? >> correct. >> reporter: must have been hard to do. >> very hard. >> reporter: he says he tried to show the photos to dr. webster and other staff members and tried calling the clinic to vent his concerns. he was shut down with staff citing patient privacy or hippa.
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you weren't so much asking for information as you wanted to provide it? >> i said i am not asking for information and i was given the hippa excuse and that was the end of it. >> reporter: so what does dr. webster have to say about the claims against him and his clinic? despite the best efforts, not much. he did however respond to lawsuits filed against him and his clinic and denied responsibility for the deaths. we called a spokesperson. we certainly want to give him an opportunity to comment and respond. but he declined our interview so we decided to go straight to him. dr. webster, sanjay gupta with cnn. i'm wearing a microphone and i wonder if i can ask you some questions? we have been trying to reach out to your team. >> i have an appointment now. >> reporter: will you stay and talk with us after the appointment? >> i have an appointment.
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>> reporter: after the appointment will you sit down and talk with us. can i walk with you? >> no. >> reporter: will you answer a couple questions? >> no. >> reporter: okay. we got a statement. dr. webster said the clinic treated difficult and complicated people with pain with the highest standard of care. he went on to call the death as tragedy of the worst kind for patients to die not from a result of treatment, but in spite of it. >> she was doing great. she was up to walking almost five miles a day. >> reporter: several months after starting at life tree, carol ann bosley kicked the opioids and she went to rehab. >> she had lost weight. she was managing her pain on tylenol. only. >> reporter: soon afterward he says, carol ann got a call. >> she said dr. webster has requested that we come down, both of us come down and meet with him. >> reporter: to ray bosley's surprise during the appointment, he said webster suggested carol ann get back on painkillers.
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>> my response to him is, "my wife is addicted." >> reporter: about a year after that appointment, after taking his advice, carol ann bosley overdosed again, this time fatal. her story does not end there. weeks after her death, the medical examiner had ruled her death a suicide. >> i said why did you label it suicide? and he says well, i called dr. webster, he told me she committed suicide. why do you have to call dr. webster to get a diagnosis? shouldn't the diagnosis be based on the evidence in front of you? >> reporter: the utah medical examiner's office says webster didn't have any influence over the stated cause of carol ann's death, which makes what happened next even more puzzling. >> maybe five weeks later, i get a revised autopsy report. cause of death, undetermined. >> reporter: when it came back undetermined, was there an explanation? they just changed it? it's been four years since carol
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ann bosley died. her husband still wonders why his pleas for the help to the staff at life tree and especially lynn webster, fell on deaf ears. do you blame dr. webster for your wife's death? >> i do. to this day i regret that i did not go down there and find him. i would have pinned him to the wall, and i would have made him listen, and then i would have warned him with his life. "leave my wife alone." >> wow. sanjay, it's clear dr. webster didn't want to talk to you. is he saying anything about the allegations against him? >> the allegations from the lawsuit specifically, he's denying all of those. previously, he has said he acknowledged were some 0 deaths at the life tree clinic, though, he says most of them were suicides. we read you part of the statement during the piece there, he had more of an official statement where he basically said the chronic pain has become this urgent national crisis and a direct dialogue is
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not happening and goes on to say we need safer therapies overall and we should replace opioids ultimately. but, anderson, you saw the numbers. there are 600 pills a month, this particular woman got down to taking tylenol and you can see the extreme of what these patients are taking. >> how big of a problem is this really and what responsibilities do doctors have here? >> doctors, nurse practitioners, dentists. look. we talk about this a lot as you mentioned. 80% of the world's pain pills are taken in the united states. it's a startling number. we know that for most -- for about a third of patients, only a third of patients, they actually work sort of initially. for two-thirds of the patients, they may not work at all. and long term, after a few months, it seems to lose its effectiveness. what do patients do? take more and more, start to combine it with other drugs, including alcohol and that's often how these accidental deaths occur. again, 80% of the pain meds -- >> incredible.
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>> he's right about the fact we need to have an honest dialogue regarding that. >> sanjay, thanks very much. hackers target target and millions affected. find out if you are one of the victims. news while she was dating prince william, kate middleton's phone was hacked. we will tell you who did it coming up.
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attention target shoppers, if you bought something there at target between november 27th and december 15th and used a credit or debit card, the bad guys may have your number. hackers targeting target and potentially as many as 40 million accounts, nearly as many questions about what happened, how it happened, what you can do if you're one of the victims. for more let's check in with christine romans. if you used a debit card at target between that time you're possibly at risk? >> yeah, you should consider yourself exposed. this isn't the holiday shopping story target wanted to talk about. this is a huge major attack here. it's those card readers that
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read the magnetic stripe, a apparently, those were targeted and all that information on your card when you swiped it from november 27th to december 15th, could be accessed by hackers who have the capability of making a count counterfeit credit card with your information or worse, maybe a debit card. maybe they can go and access your atm, get money, debit card transactions harder to get your money back. >> crazy how this happened. this applies if you shopped in the store, not online. >> that's right. those readers when you check out that you run your card through and this is what they got, the payment information, the date, the cvv, the three or four digit code on the back, the expiration date, basically every single number that's important to your financial identity and your financial privacy was available. >> so what should you do if you're one of the people that shopped there during that time? >> the first thing is do is check your credit card statements and debit card
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activity. some experts have been saying every week or so. i'm saying every single day. look. check every single day. look, target said when they admitted this happened they have resolved the issue and apologize for the inconvenience, but this was going on until the 15th, anderson, until monday. so it's not resolved for any people that don't know where their information is. we do know this these hacker chat rooms, there is already chatter and talk how to access this information. i think people should look very closely at their statements, and then call your bank and call target. all of the major banks are aware and they will be looking for fraudulent activity. you should be on the lookout for your bank to contact you if they see something. >> do they know who did it? >> they don't know yet. the secret service is investigating. that is the part of the treasury department handles these crimes. so the federal government, federal banks entarg, target an are working together. they have a forensics team
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trying to figure out. we don't know who did it yet. we know it's very sophisticated. the magnetic strips are old technology, tapping into that and have a treasure trove of your information. >> incredible. thanks very much. let's get caught up on other stories. susan hendricks is here with the 360 bulletin. >> president obama commuted the prison sentences of eight people convicted of cocaine offenses calling them hash sentences. one is the first cousin of massachusetts governor deval patrick. reynolds allen winter smith jr. was given a life sentence for possession and intent to distribute cocaine. the white house says his family ties did not impact that decision. two men are found guilty of murdering a british soldier on the streets of london. one of the attackers last may was caught on video carrying a meat cleaver in his bloody hands, it was soldiers killing muslims overseas. the victim was hacked to death near his military barracks. the attorney for the indian diplomat arrested in new york
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and strip searched on charges of visa fraud in violation of her housekeeper is now speaking out. the attorney says the allegations are baseless and accuses u.s. authorities of mishandling the arrest. and a british tabloid apparently hacked kate middleton's phone while dating prince william. a prosecutor told the london court today, in one voice mail, william calls his future wife baby kins. they are following the trial of the former editors of the defunct "news of the world" newspaper who are accused of illegal phone hacking. they deny the charges. >> sutusan, thanks. we will be right back.
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