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dysfunctional democracy can deliver, there may be lessons in there for washington d.c. go to cnn.com/fareed for more of my views on india including my essay from the new book "reimagining india." thanks for watching this "gps" special. we'll be back next sunday with our regular program. >> good morning. welcome to a soaking wet washington d.c. the media world changed in so many ways in 2013, for better and for worse. what can we forecast for the future of journalism, commentary, television, technology? we have 12 headlines to dissect about that and 60 minutes to do it. it's time for a special end of the year edition of "reliable sources." thanks for joining us. every channel you turn on today is bound to have some year in
review programming. this hour is different. this hour is about the media. we're going to cover everything from boston bombings to twitter ipo and "duck dynasty." and later we'll talk about a great television tradition, new year's eve in times square. let's begin this media year in review with our panel of reporters covering it all. rosie gray, christina warren, and hunter walker, national affairs reporter for talking points is memo. hunter, before we look back at the whole year. let's talk about something that happened in no, thew york this . the daughter of the incoming mayor released a video talking about substance abuse problems. you wrote many reporters were aware of elements of this and declined to pursue it given her age. does this surprise you? what does this say about the press that reporters did not follow up on these rumors months
ago and why didn't they follow up? >> it says that even in an environment where there is a vicious tabloid culture that new york has, there are some limits. "the new york post" has attacked de blasio and kept off it as well. it's a unique situation. he chose to put his kids front and center in the campaign and there are some very news worthy questions about why he did that knowing this was going on with his daughter. no one thought it was worth putting this girl's private life out there in order to get to that question. i hope we get to the answer now. she did get to tell the story on her own terms. >> very much so. she controlled the story by putting the youtube video out about it. were you one of the people that heard these rumors and why did you choose not to follow up on them? >> absolutely. an open secret among the city press corps and all of the major papers and everyone i know heard rumors about this regard. >> substance abuse and depression she battled.
>> this girl is 19. she's just on the side of adulthood. she may have been in a very public role in the campaign but how old was she when she made that choice? was it her choice and did she understand the implications? >> those are stories we'll see next week once the inauguration happens in new york. let's broaden out to national politics and start our media year in review. 12 headlines to go over in the next half hour or so. first one is obama versus press. we had presidential inauguration in january but that feels so long ago. how would you describe the tone between the president and press this year? >> it's becoming increasingly testy if you look at this a battle over photographers access to the president and how angry photographers are that they have been shut out in favor of giving official access. >> it's de blasio putting out her own youtube video. >> obama administration have
done an excellent job managing their own media presence and not going through the press corps. if you're a white house reporter, that makes your job a lot more difficult. >> do you think we saw months of obamacare coverage and we learned a lot about health policy or was this a story that was mostly about the infighting and shutdown? >> i think that the media did start covering and get into the nitty-gritty of policy of obamacare. this is an issue that's been unlike covering other consumer products, this has been really tinged by partisan conflicts and that's really bled into the coverage. >> it felt to me like the mainstream media had a hard time figuring out what was this this bill and what was fought over for a while. >> we moved from scandal to scandal whether it was irs or benghazi. >> we should put scandal in air quotes. they didn't last. >> i think a big part of that is
as with health care where we focused on rollout and rather that some people lost health plans. a story out today saying maybe this video played a role and we focused on talking points on why this attack might have occurred rather than legitimate questions what are we doing to secure embassies abroad. it seems like we miss the real story to just have tension. >> the "time" story worth reading. >> politics as news. a big change at fox news. let's play the clip. >> a really big deal. the first prime time schedule shake-up at fox news in a decade. hunter, you used to cover television. what did you make of fox
rethinking its prime time schedule? >> in spite of what you may have heard, she's a white woman. she obviously had a huge buzzing moment in the past month. i think that's the type of thing that fox is looking for. we've seen a year of really tough ratings in cable news and i think cnn has a new president. everyone is sort of changing up their approach to try to find out how to capture the public's imagination. >> cable news ratings down across the board in this nonelection year. cnn was flat. hln was up a bit. even cnn's prime time was down. fox and msnbc's prime time was down. a headline to put up from capital new york. jeff zucker said headline on the story was he plans massive change at cnn. i don't think we've seen the end of those changes especially given the fact that these ratings have been soft for all cable news channels. feels like they're desperate for another election cycle, right? >> i think that in the off years
we see them try new things. obviously you're new here. we bring in youth to cnn. >> we've seen jake tapper hired and others. >> we've seen anthony bourdain come in which is interesting. we're seeing a shift to more general interest entertainment content. you know, i think with msnbc you had them double down on partisanship. one message that's clear is old style voice of god anchor is over. >> i want to ask you about politics as entertainment. i think that's reflective by "house of cards." netflix came to age with programming this year. this is what president obama said a few weeks ago. >> i just wonder if we brought advance copies of "house of
cards?" it's true. this guy is getting a lot of stuff done. >> now, i think president obama will have to wait like the rest of us for season two coming out valentine's day. this is the year that streaming tv came of age it feels like. >> absolutely. we look at a few years ago hastings wanted to take on the cable industry. he wanted to remake cable and kill it. that failed. his target is hbo and i think "house of cards" is an example of high quality original programming that is not debuting on traditional networks but on streaming services and it's interesting because it gives people the opportunity to binge view and watch at once and puts the entire time shifting model on its head because you can watch whatever you want which makes it harder to measure ratings but also easier for people to do it on their own pace but then how do you have a conversation about it? it opens up a lot of interesting questions. >> that's the generation shift.
live tv to on demand. netflix has made us aware of that through binge viewing. >> one of the great things about house of cards is it's a high quality show. nominated for a number of emmys and golden globes and it's a show that hbo bid on first and netflix paid a lot of money for it. it helped legitimatize streaming as a place for networks to go or for producers to go to show content. >> we have more headlines to talk about including why reid hastings without the white house at all. it involves the single most important media story of the year and why you'll hear more about it in 2014. s eventis back. which means it's never been easier to get a new 2014 jetta. it gets an impressive 34 highway mpg and comes with no charge scheduled maintenance. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. sign. then drive.
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goal elimination of privacy worldwide. in other words, every form of electronic communication that human beings have with one another should be collected, stored, monitored and analyzed by nsa and that's a very extraordinary thing to happen in a democracy with no public debate and no public knowledge and that's why the story has resonated the way it has. >> that was from an interview i did earlier this year. the first to report about documents taken by edward snowden. throughout the year, more and more stories of nsa's surveillance tactics emerge and forever changed how the world perceives information and privacy. snowden has been in russia for months now but one american reporter was recently able to interview him face to face about the impact of his leaks and he spoke about it with cnn's dana bash this week. >> i wasn't sure what to expect. this is a man that i had never met face to face before.
i had communicated with over the computers and we all know that it's hard to pick up everything about a personality that way. i didn't know how he would feel about what's become of his act and what followed on and what i found was a man who is calm and comfortable and at peace with what he did who believes that he succeeded quite considerably in promoting the debate he was looking for. >> still with me here in studio, rosie gray, christina warren, and hunter walker. christina, mashable had a dramatic headline the other day i want to put on screen. it said edward snowden mission accomplished, "i already won." was it inevitable that this story of surveillance would be about personality, in this case edward snowden's personality, as
it would be about policy. >> at the core of the story when the information came out to be true, originally there was questioning about what's accurate in this and what isn't. it becomes powerful about who is the person behind these leaks. we're talking about two personalities. we're talking about edward snowden and his personality is what helps drive the narrative but we talk about reporters who have become a big part of the story. that's helped shape the narrative tremendously. through greenwald, snowden has been able to get his message out continuously and has been able to share more and more about what's happening and i think if he didn't have such a personality, we wouldn't care as much if he was more of a mark zuckerberg time but because he's boisterous and as interview we're seeing maybe sureen, it becomes more interesting. >> it's journalism hybrid we see with greenwald. >> from bradley manning to snowden, leaks are more a part of the landscape.
whistle blowers choose to take those to journalists to share their views. the question is the rise of this journalist keeps on going and how we get back to a more balanced approach. >> i think it's interesting that people like greenwald had to figure out how to encrypt their communications and change the way they work with sources. is that something that's a big shift this year? >> i think so. i would love to see a survey on how many journalists this year got encryption for e-mail. i bet it was a lot. the example of how he worked with edward snowden drove home the point that -- and nsa revolutions themselves drove home the point that journalists have to be careful about protecting their sources. >> this is what greenwald said to "esquire." i assume because you called my home phone that this call is being monitored. i'm not saying it's being monitored in realtime but it's stored and recorded and will be analyzed by the nsa. there is just no question about that. and it's because of these leaks there's no question about that. a year ago there would have been
considerable debate about whether that was true or not. >> americans know now what communications are being stored in a data base and that's huge. >> i mentioned reid hastings at the white house. there were ceos there to say we need to have new limits on this surveillance technology. do you see that actually happening? >> to a certain degree they are definitely going to use their lobbying power to do that. it's not that they care about privacy. they don't. >> they want to profit. >> the big thing is they need businesses and other countries and international people to trust them with their data. you have a company like netflix trying to work in other countries and they need other countries to trust that viewing information is going to be analyzed in certain ways to maybe implicate people and the same thing with google. they need businesses to trust them to store their data with them. if they can't do that because of these nsa leaks, then, you know, that hurts their business. in that regard maybe we'll see
some changes or at least more transparency. what nsa leaks have shown us which as technologyist has been scary is they haven't needed to have permission of these companies to grab this information. that's what's alarming about this. we talk about using encryption stuff but we say if the main tunnel of data is being grabbed to begin with -- >> if we lock the front door but back door is assessable, that's a problem. >> if they're coming through regardless, there are certain limits to how we can protect anything. >> i think back to when apple released the new iphone with that fingerprint i.d. and then the conversation about that right away was how is that data being stored? how secure is it really? those conversations about technology wouldn't have happened a year ago either. >> you would have had maybe third or fourth question would have been is apple sending these keys to a server some place. stored in the cloud? this was the first question. apple had to come out at the
beginning and say in the press statement during the keynote, don't worry. these only stay on your phone. they never go to any storage anywhere else. never transmitted. they had to make that message clear because of this and it's a consumer point where we say wait a minute, who has access to what i'm using. >> one of the more frightening recent stories is webcams on computers and phones they turn on without your knowledge and law enforcement and surveillance agencies can actually watch you through your computer in real time. >> it's easy to fix if you put tape on the webcam. >> they can even just -- the light won't be activated in most cases. you can activate and watch remotely without them knowing. >> the last headline i want to get to is the future in 2014, seems like we won't have any fewer of these disclosures. there are still many more documents from edward snowden that we'll read about. >> there are diminishing returns in terms of how much of a buzz it creates when they do more
stories. they are still very interesting. at the beginning it was explosive and now it's like another snowden thing. >> i think for journalists, we should be returning to old school techniques. as rosie said, put tape on your camera and no one is watching you. encryption, maybe they can break into that. i prefer meeting sources over drinks. >> it does feel like there's a whole generation of reporters having to learn that now for the first time. all three of you standby with me. more headlines to talk about. dizzying year. what mattered most? our answers are next. i just love the new 2014 chevy malibu.
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welcome back to a special year in review edition of "reliable sources." we have talked about politics and privacy. our next topic is media business. joining our panel in new york is david folkenflik, author of the new book "murdoch's world." david, let's start with the subject of your book. this was the year murdoch broke his company, news corporation, into two pieces. why did he do that and what does it say about the media industry? >> he's been under pressure for a long time for both particularly his investors but often top executives as well. the newspapers that formed
foundation of his media empire and riches for many decades turned out in recent years to be a heavy weight around his neck by splitting the company in two he both insulated the more profitable television and entertainment properties from the fallout from the enormous hacking and corruption scandal in the u.k. and he liberated the share price, the stock value of those entertainment properties. you have seen him be rewarded on the market for doing something he resisted doing for many years. the fallout from that is that the newspapers, which once had been profitable and now struggling like so many of their competitors, are now no longer insulated by the great profits of fox news or movies like avatar that fox studios puts out. they are really vulnerable. he's the chairman. he has ceo who used to lead "the wall street journal" forum trying to figure out what they're going to do to solve this riddle that has so far stymied so many of their peers. >> news corporation isn't the only company that seems to be moving away from print.
here's the headline this week about tribune because they were acquiring more stations. headline says tribune closes local tv acquisition to become the largest independent broadcast group in the u.s. tribune was once known as a newspaper company. it doesn't want to be anymore. >> wall street sort of punished it for being a newspaper company. i say this with some pain as a former tribune company employee. i was a reporter at the baltimore sun. you have seen a multiple series of body blows. a combination of poor choices and poor management and greed on part of the owners and loading of it with enormous debt taken over by one of the prior owners. at this point they look carefully at this. it's being led by a former top television and entertainment executive and they said the future is in tv and digital. let's get away from print things and they spun that off to the si side. one thing you can say for murdoch, was tribune said we cut
papers to where they are profitable and we won't give them cushion and we'll sell them and let them fend for themselves. >> let me bring up the second headline. future of print with a question mar mark. what do you make of continued moves away from print to digital? >> i think it's inevitable. print has suffered for a long time. these companies are realizing that they have to move to other avenues of making money. the channel, of course, is that the ad revenue hasn't caught up on the web to the place where it was with print. it becomes inevitable because profits just aren't there. >> here's one indicator. this month "newsweek" went out of printing a year ago came back and said it will bring print edition back from the dead. a big surprise to people. the new owner said we'll only do this at a profit. we're only going to do this at
subscriber levels that make it work and won't depend on advertising alone. that's true for every media company, right? >> we've actually seen politico, which was a local tv company doubled down on a magazine and hyper local media with capital. >> let's talk about one of the new media barons who bought "the washington post" a few months ago. this is what he said recently to cnn about his plans for "the post." >> for me i thought "the washington post" was an important institution and i am optimistic about its future. it's a personal investment. i'm hopeful i can help from a distance in part by providing runway for them doing a series of experiments and in part through bringing some of the philosophy that we have used at amazon to the post. >> david, you covered the story
when it happened. have we seen evidence the post changed at all under the new owner? >> not really. you have seen continuation of aggressive watchdog journalism. newly installed editor whose appointment proceed jeff bezos. he's a smart guy. he understands the relationship between the consumer, particularly the digital consumer, and the company that he founded and has made such a force with amazon. they hope that he brings that sensibility to the paper. the daughter of the chairman of "the washington post" company said in a recent interview she stayed on as publisher and biggest changes is men no longer wear ties. you noticed jeff bezos with an open collar like yourself. he's making a careful study and i think you're going to see some real changes in the future. we don't know what those will be
yet. >> i thought one of the most interesting things "the washington post" did this year and i wonder what you thought as well was creation of a website called no more. a little bit like buzz feed. a viral website trying to be at least. i wonder if this is veer that that industry really took hold and everyone wanted to have buzzy headlines like your employer. >> it's been taking hold for some time. we launched the news organization two years ago now. i think if you looked a media today, there are lots of people trying to tap into what we've been able to do so successfully. >> what are the secrets to a buzz feed headline, by the way? >> the idea behind buzz feed is that we're not aimed toward people who are typing in search terms into google. the idea behind buzz feed conse content is that it is shareable. >> will we see more of that in 2014? a fad or more? >> we've seen with the better
known sites. we've seen a lot of copy cats. one thing i find interesting is that facebook hinted that they might change their way. >> they are depending on traffic from facebook. >> we sawed linkedin send less traffic outward. if facebook and twitter do something similar, we could see another shift. >> a couple more topics to get to. we'll take one break and come back. stay with me. coming up, the single most disruptive force in media this year. causing the most pain and creating most potential. i don't want to give it away. we'll discuss it next.
welcome back. for years the pew research center is measuring how many americans have smartphones. for the first time, that number surpassed 50%. they are changing the way we consume media. it's one of the biggest media stories of the year. let's resume the discussion. with our panel from new york, david folkenflik. media correspondent for mpr and in the studio, rosie gray, christina warren and hunter walker. rosie, first to you, who is benefiting most from these trends involving mobile media. all media has to fit on this small screen. >> it's a huge percentage of who looks at our site. >> you say because it's easy to
scroll through lists on a phone because you produce it for the phone? >> we don't necessarily produce things just to be looked at on mobile. that's something that we keep in mind when we are producing what we do. >> i'm surprised by how much tv is watched on mobile phones. it's not the most comfortable experience. if this is the only screen you have, it's good enough. >> more than that, when you talk about whether it's a phone or tablet, when it's in front of your face, it's not that different from a viewing perspective than if you have something 10 or 15 feet away. convenience is the big thing. you take the locational aspect of having to be at home away from it and i can be on the train catching up on cnn. >> these are trends we talk about every week. it's worth reflecting on how fast things have changed. data is more assessable on the phone now. faster than ever. getting better and better. with the phone comes social tv. the idea of chatting along with shows like this one. we saw twitter go public this year. let's put up the stock price on screen. it makes us wish we had bought stock in the company.
a great year. do you see this as a fad or something that's permanent for twitter and for television? >> i think this is for twitter a big part of its business moving forward because they have been able to lock in whether it's correct or not, they've been able to convince networks there's a correlation between discussion on twitter about a tv show and ratings and so if they can deliver advertisers to people while they discuss things online, that's a win-win for them. >> i have to bring up the super bowl and blackout and this wonderful creative tweet by oreo. i feel like it woke up so many marketers to twitter. do you think it was tweet of the year? >> for marketing, absolutely. >> remind people about this one if they didn't see it. >> it says power out, no problem. they came up with this ten minutes of the blackout at the super bowl. it was perfect. it wasn't viral. one of those great moments of capturing people in the stadium
and home and oreo came in and dominated the conversation. >> i want you to talk about your lowest media of the year. this was from a astronaut who is now up in space tweeting pictures from space. let's put one up on the screen. these are wild to see. a couple that were my personal favorite tweets of the year. it shows us how connected the world really is now even in space. let's start with christina. your media low point of the year? >> it has to be the boston bombing coverage especially the role that it played in trying to figure out who the bombers were. i thought it was a really negative point where internet became a mob. lots of mainstream and respectable media outlets turned to places to source information rather than doing accurate reporting and so false information was spread out and a
man was misidentified as being a suspect who wasn't. he was actually had passed away. his family was looking for him. he became a suspect online. it was a really negative example of what happens when we're in this sphere all talking at once and you don't stop to take a breath and say, wait a minute, what's real and what's not and let's separate facts from fiction. >> there are so many hoaxes this year, weren't there? the press has to do a better job of checking those. >> we can't just listen into the police scanners and report it immediately. we have to do vetting. >> what's your pick for the low point? >> christina is right. the viral vigilanteism which went on front page of new york post. >> it was completely wrong. >> it resulted in a lawsuit. of course on a story such as this, it's terrible. we're seeing on a more casual and fun story such as this diane in 7-a on thanksgiving note
passing story that turned out to be a complete hoax. the media is not fact checking anything and even zimmerman said in a recent "wall street journal" interview that what scares him most is when delving in loses the element of speaking truth to the ndominant culture. >> "60 minutes" report on benghazi which was discredited and damaging moment for credibility of a major media institution. >> david, what was your media low point of the year? >> i hate to provide some sort of consensus. i have to say benghazi/cbs botched story was bad. when reporters raised questions and initial reaction was to try to trash those reports and new york post prompted the top level cbs to respond in a more responsible way. the worst in mainstream media
was that new york post bag man headline and not only the mistake based on one photo of dozens circulated by fbi agents but also in the cavalier reaction. they said we don't want you to take the implications that we so clearly made on the front page of our newspaper. it was truly despicable. >> my pick of the year related to boston was reports of an arrest that wednesday by cnn, boston globe and ap and others. the whole country wanted an arrest and the fact reports were wrong did a lot of damage. it wasn't true quite yet. true a couple days later. let's turn to high points in minute and a half we have left. >> bat kid. it was one of those moments
where san francisco became gotham for that kid. with
everything else happening at the time, it was a great moment to say, hey, we can kind of stop being cynical for a little bit. >> hunter? >> this is tpm's trophy. we reached new heights in scandal this year with rob ford. i will be giving this to rob ford in the coming weeks because that may be the best scandal of all time. >> rosie? >> i'm going to say the nsa revelations and how journalists have done really important work on that topic and really informed the public. >> and david, to you? your media highlight to the year? >> it was snowden revelations forcing debate at our top government and britain as well and an antidote to what we heard, shutout to dead spin.
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perpetrated through social media and mainstream outlets like "sports illustrated." impressive work of reporting by a newer enterant. >> we'll talk to the people that ring in every new year on tv. kathy griffin is going to haze me next. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space. we repaid every dollar america lent us. and gave america back a profit. we're here to keep our promises. to help you realize a better tomorrow. from the families of aig, happy holidays.
we'll try to help make the case for that. here's ryan seacrest back hoping dick clark's rocking eve on tuesday night. i asked him how he prepares for the big night. so you recently renewed your contract. does that take a lot of prep for new year's eve show or do you show up and count it down? >> you know, i'm there for a week prior to the show. we plan the show throughout the course of the year. when i first started, it was a lot of pressure. i felt a lot of pressure because i was stepping into the passenger of dick clark who was the driver in this vehicle that he had driven for so many years. so i put a lot of pressure on myself to do well for him so he would keep inviting me back. and then the first year that he wasn't there, i think i felt a little bit more pressure because i had never done a whole show by myself. and now when we get there, we
take a look at what's happening. we extended the show. it's 17 hours long. it's all of prime time. and it's fun. you do -- when that ball drops and you do say happy new year, you forget you're on the air. what's the best advice you can give me for when you do this? he said shut up. he said be quiet. when the ball drops, be quiet. let everyone cheer. look at the smiling faces because that's what that night is about. >> do you wish you could stay at home and relax and enjoy the night that way? >> every time i go home, i feel like i should be doing something. i did that enough as a kid where i watched it. it was a dream of mine to see times square on new year's eve just as a tourist and so to be able to stand there under the ball truly is something i'm very grateful to be able to do. >> last year's show was a tribute to dick clark. we'll hear his name this year,
won't we? >> of course. this is a franchise that he built and so many americans used to watch him every year as did i. sad that he's no longer with us. we're trying to make him proud. he's a great man and he was a good friend and i'll try to count backwards as perfectly as i can. >> that was always busy ryan seacrest. in the mood for something more unpredictable, try this network because kathy griffin is back with anderson cooper. she kept me on my toes when i spoke to her earlier. >> i'm joined by anderson cooper and kathy griffin. guys, thanks for being here. >> hi, brian. >> how do you prepare for something like the new year's eve show? how do i prepare for this? >> go ahead, kathy. >> i don't know who brian is. >> yes, you do. >> i'm the new guy around here. >> is brian still on the stray
cats? was it hard leaving the stray cats to get a tv show on cnn. >> i know i should have prepared better for this. >> i don't prepare much to be honest. >> it's not "the new york times." >> she does know who you are. i think for kathy this is a bigger evening. i think i'm there to roll with the punches. >> and there are a lot of punches. >> anderson, i'm going to ask you to stop talking. when you went to prison with judith miller, why didn't you just talk to the feds? i mean, i know the "times" took a hit, was it like "scared straight"? >> i'm so glad i didn't see that show. >> did you work for the style section? >> maybe. but i didn't get the pleasure of writing about you. >> anderson, did i see you just wipe the top of your lip? >> yes, you did. i'm starting to sweat. >> i remember -- >> i actually saw anderson do my
favorite thing, which is a subtle -- [ sighs ] "is it over?" >> i was at new year's eve party, and you had mentioned me, because kathy had done something unmentionable to you, and you said how brian of "the new york times" would be writing about it. >> yes. which is what i lived in fear of for all these years, because the problems develop as the evening gets later and it crosses, like, that midnight hour, that last half hour for me, it's the most dangerous time with kathy. she's sort of striking out in terms of wanting to just, i don't know, get it all out there. and that's -- >> i'd say lashing out. >> lashing out, yes, i said lashing out is probably a good expression, as well. >> it sounds like any party when you stay a little too long. >> brian -- brian, what party -- boy, you guys are being super sweet and supportive. this is a pleasure for me to hear you two insult me. what else you got, boys? bring it.
let's go. >> i'm actually thinking of staying home for the first time in years and watching tv for a change. >> have you ever had a good time? brian, have you ever had a good time sat a party on new year's eve? i don't know anybody. i think it is better to stay at home. >> don't you ever wish you guys could do that, stay at home one year? >> no, this is why i work on new year's eve. >> no, we love it. >> i started volunteering because, a, nobody at cnn wanted to, 10 years ago, whatever it was, because in new york city, it's such a miserable night, there are no cabs, you can't get anywhere, you have to wait in long lines to hand your coat to a coat check. there's no reason to go out. there's too much pressure to get wild and crazy. so much more fun to stay at home and watch us. >> once again, i love when anderson is bhong the people complaining about his coat check person. [ laughter ] >> kathy, how do you -- >> brian, have you -- brian, why don't you let me take over from here?
brian, have you ever spooned with candy crowley? >> candy crowley. you know, what am i on, my third, fourth week at cnn? i don't think that's come up in orientation just yet. >> just sayin'. you might get a better time slot. >> anderson, how do you prepare for this? this is an onslaught. >> i love being with kathy. she is -- she a good friend of mine, and she's somebody i enjoy her company. she makes me incredibly nervous, no doubt about it. i never sweat more than i do in that time when we're -- even though it's freezing cold out, i'm usually by the end of the evening, i'm drenched in sweat, because i am nervous. but, you know, she makes me laugh and, you know, giggle in a way that i am embarrassed to -- the fact that i giggle that way. >> kathy, is it true you all and ryan seacrest and carson daly all go out afterwards? >> you know, it's interesting you would ask that question, because this year we had a plan to all have dinner together in harmony as a family, and anderson cooper sent an e-mail
to all of us blowing us och, about something about meeting with the coat check girl, or making sure the coat check girl had the right ticket. it was not a significant reason, but we cried a little bit. >> i have to work the night before. yes, two years ago, i think it was, we all went out to dinner. ryan paid, of course. and, you know -- >> i picked up the tab. >> it was a very lovely dinner. last year, i think ryan blew us off. he sent me long underwear, i think did he send that to you with your name on it, as well, kathy? >> yes. he sent me long underwear with my name. i thought it was special until i told you, and then you said, oh, i have some that says anderson, and we found out carson daly has some, too. >> right. and then, this year -- go ahead. >> i'm just -- i'm just glad to announce that this year we have bon jovi performing at 9:05. we have miley cyrus at 9:30. >> we don't. >> we have maroon 5 at 10:00 p.m. sharp. >> no, we don't. >> and then we have the eagles.
and taylor swift is going to do a show, with all the victoria secret models. >> none of those people are going to be on. >> i'm going to tune in just for you two. >> all right, brian, thanks. >> whew. next, my final thoughts on 2013. stay with us. avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends january 2nd.
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televised edition and now we have the talks of the "duck dynasty." john miller announced he'll be joining the nypd. and also online, a reprieve in the ugly battles between cable contributors and networks. and a discussion that don lemon, "anchorman 2" that man there ron burgundy fall short on his own hype. you can find it all on cnn.com. thank you for watching this week and all year. this program has changed a lot in the last 12 months and so has this entire network. that was the theme of our whole conversation, and in the media world, the pace of change continues to be a sell rate. media companies and tech start-ups can rise and fall faster than ever, so can television anchors and pop stars. of course, that means there's more media news for you and for me to digest every week. i'm looking forward to doing any more of that in 2014. so have a happy new year.
and let me know what you think our new year's resolutions for this show should be. i'd love your feedbook. on facebook and twitter, i'm brian steltser. i'll see you next week. state of the union with candy crowley begins right now. for all lauld lang syne, wh they tell you about this past year and the next one. ladies rule. special edition of "state of the union." women have their take on 2013, including politicians behaving badly. >> these were anonymous people on the internet. >> a story here for same-sex couples. >> and i declare you spouses for life. >> and -- >> there was a time when i was a young invincible. after five years in this office, people don't call me that anymore. >> -- the president's anis