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when all is said and done, i wanted to go to the congo and i did. this is a "piers morgan live" special. losing it. america's fat obsession. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world and to our studio audience. tonight the weight of a nation bursting at seams. an estimated 19 million americans are now obese. taking a heavy toll on lives and of course health. who's to blame and what's to be done? tonight the answers you need, the solutions that should work. all on tonight's special report "losing it, america's fat obsession." good evening. you may not like counting calories but numbers tough to swallow, more than 78 million
adults and more than 12 1/2 million children are obese in america right now. although there are some encouraging signs that trend is reversing in the youngest of children. do extreme measures work? they do for governor chris christie. he's slimmed down since undergoing lap band surgery in february. hillary clinton consulting a diet guru looking to stay fit for a possible white house run in 2016. what should the rest of us do? tonight we're here to help with doctors, experts and personal trainers including the one working with new mom kim kardashian. bet she's got some stories to tell. let's get started with my favorite subject, food. with me is chef and "new york times" best-selling author rocco de spirito. author of "now eat this italian." >> we put you to the test. i thought this guy, rocco, he's a good-looking guy and cooks italian food. i'm going to put him to the real
test. how to make me eat low calorie food and actually enjoy it. so you sent round to my apartment in new york all this stuff. >> all this food. one day's worth of food. >> i thought this is weird. this has got popcorn, caramel, chocolates. puddings. >> it looks like the worst stuff you could eat. >> looks like stuff that would pile on the pounds. let's go through the total here. what was the total in calories? >> let's see if the audience can guess all the calories here. six meals. tangerine how many? >> 500. >> come on. >> be serious. >> 2500 is closer. in fact it's only 850 calories. 850 calories. >> that's an amazing thing. >> all of this. >> i have to say this also. i'm not saying it because -- i've never met you before. i've ben on some of these things before. you get sent the sort of food by these diet companies. >> right. diet delivery services. >> and it tastes horrible. >> the problem with diet food it tastes like diet food.
that's why no one wants to be on the diet. as you know, america's got talents and we are the world champs in obesity. we are the number one most obese country in the world. and some statistics you may not know, 67% of america is overweight, half of those people are obese. one in four children by the end of the decade will be considered obese. more americans die of obesity-related illnesses than everything else combined. it is time to do something about this. we spend more money on our health care system than the entire gdp of france! think about that. >> amazing. >> we're getting nowhere. >> let's go through this. >> the food you sent me. i was fascinating by the quality of the food to taste. incredibly tasty, i enjoyed all of it. i ate all of this. let's go through and do what you would presume the calorie count to be with what it actually was. >> this is a my protein chocolate smoothie. great thing to start in the morning.
most full of fat sugar. this one sugar and fat free. 30 grams of protein, right amount to start your day with. normally 500, this one's only 198. 3 grams of fat. >> good. >> you like ham and cheese, i made you a ham and cheese omelet. made with egg whites normally about 800 calories. 85 calories. >> properly tafty food. >> i made you a beet and gorgonzola salad. normally 840. 237 calories. >> normally italians consume a lot of calories. >> the pasta is made with flour almost 300 calories in and of itself. this pasta is actually -- it's puree'ed chicken breast. puree'ed chicken breast mixed with egg white, powder, water. 100% protein carb free pasta bolonese. that would be 710. it's now 190 calories carb free. how does it taste? >> great. >> these numbers don't matter if it doesn't taste good. there's plenty of healthy food out there that tastes awful.
that's the reason no one wants to eat it. >> now let's get to the reality of this. which is if you have that in a restaurant you'd be looking at a certain price. people would pay a lot of money for that quality of food. >> that's right. >> what can you prepare all that stuff for if you're at home? what people are thinking watching this. >> before and after numbers. if you were going to buy this 6 to $10. we made it for 2.92. this omelet would be about from 6 to $9. we made it for 1.88. if you were going to buy this in a restaurant, at least $12. if you went to some upper east side place maybe $35. we made it for $4.43. so this myth that is highly annoying to me that healthy is expensive, it's time to bust the myth that healthy is expensive. >> the crucial thing to me about you, rocco, i was fascinated by how tasty the food was. had it been quite bland i would
have said you know what, this is why i can't do this. this is why i'll carry on spending a fortune. >> you'd have mario vitali on. >> but it was genuinely tasty food and very low calorie and very low-cost if you do it at home. how do you persuade america, and americans, who from my experience as a brit coming here eat gargantuan portions of everything. cheese has to be on everything. potatoes come with everything even when you don't order it. everything's huge and vast like the country itself. how do you culturally change that kind of thinking and the fast food epidemic and so on to get them to start to cook at home in a way that can produce this kind of result? >> it's an unbelievably difficult question to answer. but i think what we're doing right now is part of it. we need a cultural revolution. the hippies did it in the 60s with sex. they also did it with food, by
the way. they cooked homegrown, locally made food. >> do you have better sex on your food, rocco? >> one of the reasons i got healthy my sex wasn't as good as it should be. [ laughter ] >> i went to the doctor and he's like you're about 40 pounds overweight. >> how old are you? >> i'm 46 years old. >> you're 46. i'm 48. >> okay. >> i look about like your granddad. so let's start again [ laughter ] >> i'm two years difference. you're 6'1" right? >> 6'1". >> i am, too. you were at your heaviest how much? >> almost 230. 228. >> i'm about 218, all right? >> okay. >> but still too heavy. >> about 28% body fat. >> right. you had a medical where it said sort of bad cholesterol and slightly high blood pressure. >> he said if i do the numbers you're in deep you know what. writing prescriptions. he takes out his pen. you need this for your high blood pressure. this for your cholesterol. you need this other one for your high blood pressure. he starts talking about side effects. it shocked the hell out of me. >> what did you do? >> i was 35 years old and i was already being told that i'm in danger of heart disease. and as he's writing these and handing them to me out of desperation i say what else can i do?
he said well you can try diet or exercise. but here you go no one ever does that. >> i thought it was an epiphany for me. i thought keep those. i'm really going to try it. he's like no one does it. everyone says they're going to do it. a year later i did ironman 70.3 in st. croix and finished. winning is impossible but i finished a 70-mile exercise in self-discipline. when i went back to the doctor he said you've made your body like a 18-year-old inside and out. >> how much did you lose? >> 40 pounds. a chubby chef with a crooked spine and flat feet who could totally get away with it. it's not like girls weren't attracted to me or anything -- there was any down side other than health. if i could do it surrounded by all that food and wine, anyone can do it. i am surrounded by the most delicious food available on the
planet every day of my life. if i can do it, anyone can do it. >> well, i have tasted your stuff. and i'm going to do it. that's how much of a passion i have for what you do. >> i love it. you'll lose up to a pound a day if you follow my instructions. >> okay. my next guest lost 245 pounds. you probably know how he did it. he only ate subway sandwiches. jared fogle is the subway guy and joins me now. how are you? >> i'm doing great, piers. how are you? >> you're this guy who announced he'd been eating a lot of subways and lost a lot of of weight. before we know it subway's business was completely transformed. they ended up making $8 billion or something ridiculous. you made yourself a millionaire. do you still eat subway sandwiches? >> i do. i don't eat it every single day anymore. >> you better. >> exactly. in moderation. i'll tell you. i've kept the weight off now for 15 years. i still probably average eating it three or four days a week. i travel almost 200 days a year as part of my job and what i do with subway.
i have to be obviously pretty careful especially on the road. >> what is the question you get asked most by people? >> well, i think they always want to know did you really do it? i think people are still sort of fascinated by that. losing 245 pounds in a year. but then i think the other one i always get asked how do you keep it off. i think we all know how to lose weight. a million ways to lose weight but keeping the weight off is the hardest part especially in this country. what i tell people i still eat subway occasionally but learn to eat in moderation. i try to get my exercise in on a pretty regular basis. there's always excuses. you can have a million excuses but you got to put up and do it. >> i went to my trainer today, genuine story. he said wow, you're looking pumped. i was really thrilled. he said why are you so happy? i said you said i looked pumped. he said no plump [ laughter ] >> i had been back home. >> americans pronunciation. we don't enunciate. >> let's take a look at the very first subway video you made.
>> jared believes in an active lifestyle, including lots of walk. at the heart of jared's routine are subway sandwiches. >> hey, jared. >> hey, guys. >> at subway, you can choose from seven sandwiches with 6 grams of fat or less. they all taste great. food for thought. >> so jared, you've got your old fat pants, haven't you? let's have a look at them. >> i do. these are way more famous than i am, piers. if i can't make an event i send the pants. >> wow. >> this is what i used to wear. this was a 60 inch waist. these are the relaxed fit, though, very important to have. it's a good reminder for me. people are fascinated to seat pants. it's a great visual aid. especially when i'm talking to kids. i speak to children all over the country and world now about my story. they know me really well from tv. i try to have a good message for them about the mistakes i made. when they see the old pair of pant they ooh and ah and can't believe it. >> more information on the jared foundation. check out jaredfoundation.org.
subway brought sandwiches for everybody in the audience including me in their new bags. [ cheers and applause ] >> so we'll be handing those out. and as you'd expect from rocco, in an attempt to woo all the ladies in the room he's made a special low calorie cupcake. and as if that is not enough he's brought a copy of his new book "now eat this italian" for everybody in the audience. [ cheers and applause ] >> i actually feel like this is like oprah's big give away now. rocco, good to talk to you. good to talk to you jared as well. coming up next who would intentionally gain 70 pounds in six months? i'll introduce you to a man who did just that and ask him why he did it. that's next. i was the hin den berg. i was a big guy. i enjoyed eating. it really wasn't until i was confronted with my dad's just
welcome back to our special," losing it america's fat obsession." how far would you go to shed the weight? joe croft was in his early 40s and tipping the scale at 300 pounds. take a look at his documentary "fat sick and nearly dead". >> this is what i saw when i looked in the mirror. looking good. the years rolled by and i kept seeing that same fit-looking bloke looking back at me. who was i kidding? i didn't look like that anymore. i looked like i've swallowed a sheik. >> well, joe found the answer by drinking fresh fruit and vegetable juice. he says it's made all the difference. a very different-looking joe cross joins me now. joe, give me the stats first of all. what were you at your heaviest? what are you now? >> piers, my heaviest i was 320. right now today i got on the
scales this morning in the hotel in l.a. i'm 240. >> amazing. how do you do this? >> so look, i was like a business guy running around the world doing deals, focused on building companies. i kind of said now i was focused on wealth not health. i got sick when i was 32. i thought it was great living in a world you could take pills. i took pills for chronic urdicharea. bad hives and swelling. a really debilitating disease. i took the pills for eight long years. something happened when i turned 40. it was like that wake-up call of four is a lot closer to a five whereas a three is closer to a two. i felt wow, i'm 40. i'm looking in the mirror here. i'm taking medication night and day.
high blood pressure, prediabetic, high cholesterol. i'm a walking time bomb. so i decided to super charge that journey by drinking just fresh fruit and vegetable juice for 60 days. then i did another 90 days of eating fruit, vegetables, nuts, beans, seeds. after five months of just plants, i was off all medication and i was close to 100 pounds lighter after five months. that was six or seven years ago. >> how have you managed to sustain it? that's the key thing that so many people find so difficult. they can do a diet for a little bit, but then the reality checks in and then they go back. how have you managed to stay so disciplined? >> sure. well, the first thing i'd say, piers, i didn't look at what i did as a diet. i looked at what i did as a circuit breaker. i sort of feel that we all have three choices when it comes to the energy we're going to put into our body. we can choose plants, we can choose animal products, and we can choose this new kid on the
block. something that's been around for only 70 years, that's processed food. if you look at diet of the average typical american and where you come from and i come from, it's around about 60% of all the energy we get is from processed. about 30% from animal. and about 10% from plant food. and if when you carve out the french fries or the chips as you and i like to call them, that's another 3% in just french fries. so really, the average american is only getting 7%, 7% of their calories from plants. so i look at now what i try to do i like to bump that number up. now i still love my steak like the next guy. i still enjoy it. i just don't have it like i used to. so now my diet is around 40% of the calories i consume is plant-based, and then about 30% animal and about 30% processed. and that has kept me on the straight and narrow. that's kept me medication free for six, seven years. nowadays if you can sort of start your day by kind of going back to that hunter gatherer sort of world of getting your plants on board, having juice or a smoothie or a fruit salad for breakfast, having salad for lunch and then at nighttime sort of go and do what -- i had suchi last night.
steak tonight. >> quite a story. good to talk to you. i want to bring in now drew manning, a personal fitness trainer who gained weight to see what his clients were going through. he's the author of "fit to fat to fit". drew you're fascinating. there you were super fit. hard rock muscles, everything else. very clean. you thought, i'm going to put on 70 pounds. >> yes. >> why did you want to do that? why did you want to become me? [ laughter ] >> i don't know if it's so much you. but i felt like i needed a different perspective. i was always fit. i never struggled with my weight. >> these are the pictures. this is amazing. >> pretty scary. >> let's put those back up. that's you on the left before. that's what you became in the middle. >> yes, six months. >> and that's what happen after. so quite extraordinary. that's a six-month period of time. >> six months. so a year long. >> you did it because you wanted to try and relate to what your
clients were going through. kind of heavier clients and how are they working out and problems they might have. my issue with my trainers, they're like you. they're like meatball machines. when they say go and knock out 30 presses. it's fine for them for us not so easy. >> that's why i felt i needed that different perspective. become, overweight gave me a better understanding. at least i would have a better understanding versus the trainer with the six-pack. typical trainer. >> never been overweight? >> never overweight. never struggled. >> what were the biggest takeaways? >> more on the mental and emotional side. physically i knew i would get the man boobs and love handles. it affected my relationship with my wife, as a dad, my personality. that's the scary thing. diet affects you more than just your weight. it affects you so much more psychologically than you think. >> did people treat you differently?
when you walk around now, oh, you look good. did you suddenly find that wasn't happening? >> i think some people looked at me differently. i could see the stares at the grocery store loading up my cart with soda and cereal. >> drew you've lost it. >> no one was really mean. i felt like from my perspective people were staring at me more. my self-esteem, my confidence levels took a bigger hit the bigger i got. that was the hard part to deal with my self-esteem being in public, getting out of the shower covering up in front of my wife. that's how it affected me. >> that's the story. "fit to fat to fit" is available now. you can see "fat sick and nearly dead" on netflix, hulu and itunes. good to talk to you. >> thank you, piers. when we talk about america's obesity epidemic is is it a choice or food conspiracy? we'll talk about who's to blame next. >> i think i just got fatter and fatter. >> what was the point when you
scandal rocking new jersey governor chris christie's administration. more than 2,000 pages of documents were released today for the investigation of christie aides who closed down access lanes to the george washington bridge in september, an alleged act of political payback. the documents show that drivers complained immediately. the mayor of fort lee said police told residents he was to blame for that, and the executive director of the port authority angry that he hadn't been told about the lane closures expressed concern they may have violated the law. also tonight a west virginia chemical company has been ordered to stop operations after a leak that contaminated drinking water for 300,000 people. 75 fema trucks are bringing an emergency supply of water after a chemical leak contaminated the elk river. officials say they don't know when the water will be safe to drink again. now back to our piers morgan live special "losing it, america's fat obsession." [ cheers and applause ] the health costs in the
united states are staggering. estimate at $150 billion. they could skyrocket to 300 billion in just a few years. who's to blame for the epidemic? it's a question of self control, the food companies and restaurant chains at fault? here with me to debate that are a director of robotic surgery at the university of pittsburgh medical center and michael moss, "new york times" investigative reporter and author of "salt sugar fat." welcome to you both. so 35.7% of american adults, 16.9% of american children age 2 to 19 are obese according to centers of disease control and prevention. that will reach 44% by 2030. almost half of america, michael moss, will be dangerously overweight. why is this happening? how do we change the thinking? >> i've heard so often people trying to blame people for this problem. and i will grant you one moment. in the 1980s there was a moment overnight when it became acceptable to eat anything,
anywhere, anytime. that's when you started to see people walking down the street eating and drinking, bringing food into business meetings. you probably wouldn't be surprised if i brought something right now and started eating it. but you can't underestimate the cunning and the skill on the behalf of -- on the part of the processed food industry. not just to make products that we like, but to get us to want more and more of those products. >> making them addictive by making them have stuff in them that makes you want more of it. >> there is no hated word more than the a word. they talk about cravability, snackability. moorishness? these are not english majors. these are scientists bench chemists marketing people, talking about what drives them day in and day out, which is to make their products as utterly attractive and irresistible as possible. >> and the problem, doctor, they come to you because they end up piling on the pounds and feel terrible about themselves. enter the doctor who can repair
the damage. in an ideal world you'd be out of work. >> correct. >> why are you seeing so much business, do you think, from the stories that you hear? >> from the stories that i hear, it's very clear that people are addicted to sugar. we're under a sugar spell. our whole country is. so with the exception of the few percent of people that are in this room or that you've had up on the stage today, everybody struggles with their weight. they struggle with it and with the daily battle or can i eat this? how much time in the gym that you mentioned? can i get past it? what's it going to do to me? and the reality of it is, if we don't stop the consumption of sugar the at the rate we're going we're all going to be fat and we're all going to be sick. and the procession to my operating room will not stop. >> is it just sugar, michael moss? is it salt? you read a headline one day, too much salt can kill you. the next day, not enough salt will kill you. and so you read about all these things. nobody seems to have a clear
idea what they should be doing in terms of their diet that will definitely make an impact to their health. >> look at your favorite, cheese. we're now eating on average 33 pounds of cheese every year. and we got to that point because the processed food industry teamed up, believe it or not, with the government to turn cheese into an additive. something that's added to food to increase the allure. in some ways cheese is even more powerful than sugar because the brain gets deceived. if you can't see the fat that's on your food, the natural breaks that you have to sort of curb over eating get taken off. that's nothing inherently wrong with salt, sugar, fat. it's the amounts and the allure of these products. and it's the mindlessness that we've sort of taken to eating that can play right into the hands of the industry. >> joe, i've talked to interview chris christie several times about it. he's very honest about his weight problems. he's a brilliant politician but he has this big frame and has struggled very had over the years to do something about it. he eventually had this gastric lap band thing which appears to be having some effect for him. you have seen those and treated people with those. when it gets to that stage
people are pretty desperate aren't they to do something? >> our whole country is desperate. it's important to understand this. there is a body mass index. a line in the sand that once you cross it you can't go back and stay back on your own. typically that's been thought to be a body mass index of 40. those are the people i operate on. those are the people that get lap bands. listen to this. just about two years ago the fda approved lap band surgery for people with a bmi of 30 or greater. and one medical problem related to their weight. think about that. so your comment earlier about half of our population in 15 years being obese and needing surgery, that's what i'm looking at. operating on half of all americans. >> i was applauding michael bloomberg for saying, let's deal with these super-sized sodas. they're terrible for everybody. they're making people fast they're rotting their teeth. they're not good for you. clearly people can't be trusted to stop it themselves. let's do something about it. and he lost. let me ask the audience here. it will be quite interesting. i want to ask you two questions. the first one is, do you think
super-sized sodas are good for you? >> no. >> does anybody think they're good for you? let me ask you a separate question. are you happy for mayor bloomberg or president obama or whoever it may be to start telling you how you should leave lead your lives in terms of drinking and eating? show of hands if you're happy about that. right. so this is fascinating. okay? so all of you agree it's terrible your super-sized sodas but none of you want to be told that, right? so this is the classic american psychology, which i battle with as a briton a daily basis. >> sure. >> but we are the same in britain. exactly the same. the crux of it, isn't it, joe, because everything about you tells you this is wrong. >> certainly. >> but you don't want to be told you can't have it. how do we get through to this? >> the reality of it is it's making you sick whether you have a weight problem or not. stop and think about that for a minute. you've had so many lean, fit people on your show today. they look tremendous.
if they're eating a high sugar diet they're sick. they may actually be cursed in a worst way than the person that gains weight. when they get on the scale they don't have a warning sign. when you get on a scale when you have a problem you're warned. >> right. >> the bell's been run. >> -- rung. >> how much is general mobility the issue? if you did an hour of brisk walking a day, a lot of doctors tell me that coupled with a reasonable diet is more than enough exercise. >> it can't hurt. but look you're going to be on tour de france in order to amass the kind of calorie burning that you're going to need to compensate for the kind of overconsumption that you can be led into having. >> so diet is the key? >> yes. controlling the intake. >> portions. >> yes. portions. >> americans have huge portions. >> yes. >> michael moss the book "salt sugar fat" available now. terrific read. your web site is doctor joe colella.com. she's trained gwyneth paltrow and new mom kim
we go to arms without any resistance. now i'm taking three-pound weights. only three pounds weights. no one should lift more than three pounds. >> that's fitness guru tracy anderson working out with gwyneth paltrow getting her back into shape. she has company. clients courtney cox, j-lo and new mom kim kardashian. tracy how are you? >> i'm good.
how are you? >> every time i see a celebrity having a baby and they look after three months like a stick again. they say reshaped and retrained by tracy anderson. what do you do to these poor women? >> i support them. i tell them the truth. i give them the tools to get the results that they hope to get out of their hard work. as women we're doing a lot in this world to support a lot of people. if we want to look like our best versions of ourselves and feel comfortable in our own skin we deserve that. >> gwyneth paltrow says you've given her a 22-year-old stripper's butt. >> i actually have. [ laughter ] >> we've done that together. >> she did the work. >> women in the audience say i want a stripper's butt. how do you get one? >> didn't we give them dvds? >> stall surprise them. we have a little gift. i will bring the surprise
forward. tracy very kindly is giving everybody an metamorphosis program. [ cheers and applause ] >> for all of you. so if you'd all like to come back and see me again in three months you'll all have stripper's butts which is great. >> they're all getting stripper's butts. better than. >> kim kardashian, i know you don't want to get into the details of what she's going through. but i would assume pretty similar for all people who have just had a baby. what are the key things women who have had a baby need to do quite quickly to get rid of the baby fat and so on? >> well, right now kim is doing what she should be doing, which is bonding with her baby. she's a first-time mom so she's enjoying that. and i think one of the things that people are always alarmed with with me is i'm like, no, relax. get into the routine. enjoy the baby. the body is what comes next. so if you are able to nurse, then that's a great thing. because that's nature's way of starting to get everything back
into position. but the thing about nursing is that we are designed to have more than one baby. so we'll only bring things back so far but not all the way. so you do have to face exercise eventually. but right now, kim is in baby heaven. >> you obviously deal with i guess the more glamorous end of the american shape market in the sense you're dealing with top celebrities. it's a business to be in great shape. what do you think is the formula for regular americans who may be struggling a bit with their weight? what is the best formula in terms of how many times should you work out a week, what kind of workout should you be doing, and what kind of diet should you combine it with if you want to get reasonable results? maybe lose eight, nine pounds or whatever it may be? >> yeah. that's a really great question. because the formula is key. and the ratio is key. and also enjoying life is key.
we are emotionally programmed to love food. we're emotionally programmed to love certain foods by the time we're seven years old. food is a big part of who we are. and so many people now are losing all of the spark behind their eyes everyone is running around starving and cranky and cutting out food groups and all kind of things. we are meant to move, connect to our bodies. exercise is vital to our health. and the idea of exercising three days a week is not enough. and it's something that you need to do six days a week, five to six days a week. because you need to connect with your body daily. you are how you move. so this notion of exercise creating even further imbalance in our bodies by us bulking up certain muscles or overusing
certain muscles is also not the answer. because it doesn't lend to the body that we desire. and it also causes injury and all different kinds of things in many circumstances. and a lot of that pounding and in the same way is hard to do, quite frankly. >> tracy, you've performed miracles on these celebrities. if i ever have the time i will come and be beasted by you myself and get myself the 22-year-old stripper's butt which will be quite something. i thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> oh, my goodness. i'm going to take you up on that. i'm not kidding. >> consider me to be your ultimate challenge. [ laughter ] >> for more information check out tracy anderson. >> i am launching a men's program. >> okay. i can be your flagship. why not? unless you think the body's already too perfect to work with. i would quite understand that. >> your brain's quite perfect. >> thank you, tracy. >> we'll get you the body to match that. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> i knew i liked her.
anyway, for more information check out tracyandersonmethod.com. as i say we'll get bodies by tracy. thank you very much, tracy. coming up next, the latest and greatest workout. what's behind the new fitness crazes and do they work. [ applause ] every emotion i still have. and i've learned how to handle certain issues and not to run to that for comfort.
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and inhale. [ applause ] >> the days of the jane fonda workout on vhs are of course long gone although i still work out a bit like that. but people are now pushing themselves to the limit to get in shape with the latest high tech workouts. do they work and are they painful? cofounder of fly well, barry's boot camp and shawn t. creator of insanity or as i like to call them, the trilogy of torturers. barry, let me start with you. i've seen the results of your work. one of my producers who's worked on this show has been beasted from quite a chubby lad into a sort of refined, lean machine. >> rock star.
>> at the barry's boot camp. so it works. >> that's one of the main reasons people keep coming back. >> what's different about your barry's boot camp that is different to others? >> good question. it's running and weights. it's very basic training. it's put in a group atmosphere where you have the camaraderie and encouragement and support to push and be pushed really hard. >> can you get properly fit by either just doing weights or just doing running? is the best combination both? >> both. the combination is really the winning combo there. >> let me turn to you. the flywheel is a phenomenon i'm not really aware of. everyone i mention it to says oh, the flywheel. it's clearly a big phenomenon. what is it and how does it work? >> it's indoor cycling. it's been around for awhile. but when flywheel started we brought to it a whole new level. we have added performance technology to the bikes. so finally we can measure exactly how hard you're supposed to be working. and the results have been amazing. the weight loss stories are incredible. we see them every day. >> how hard should you be
working? there's a guy in england who recently had a stroke on a rowing machine because he was pushing himself so hard, because he had read about, as i have recently, the value of high intensity workouts. there's a guy at 50 who ended up nearly killing himself. if you're 48 like me, i don't want to die doing it. >> right. >> other people may want me to, but i don't want to. >> it's a concern. but we're well aware of our customers. we know our customers. we have stadium seating, so the instructor can see every rider in the class. so if someone is working too hard, we're going to tell them they are. >> insanity, just about sums up the whole workout world to me. i'm like most people, i hate working out. i just hate the whole damn thing. apart from when i had to shower
afterwards when you feel pretty good again, everything else is torture. but you guys love it. how do you get people into the right discipline, to keep going and not just give up after a few weeks? >> i think that's the main thing. for me, my specialty is being able to connect with people through their tv screen. i at one point was 50 pounds overweight. i know what it's like to go through the weight loss. so one of the things i'm going through this crazy workout is that as we're going through it, i'm thinking in my head what is this person need to be able to get through this second -- or this next minute? and they're also able to take a break? but you're right, people don't want to work out because they're afraid. but i use my motivation to get them to push harder, to go stronger, and insanity is a crazy word, and -- >> we have one of your victims here. i use the word "victim," but josh, you actually did the shawn t. insanity thing and it worked, right? >> yes, it did. >> what did you end up with in terms of weight?
>> started out at 293 and now down to 203. [ applause ] >> he did the t-25 workout. >> what is unique about this? >> first of all, i like to say that people are afraid to work out with me because they think it's hard. so i brought a modifier in. the number one people don't work out is they say they don't have enough time. i said 25 minutes, you have a modifier. i'm motivating you every step of the way. >> what is a modifier? >> if i'm doing crazy, high jumps, there's a modifier doing a less, low impact. there's no jumps. >> so it's a lesser shawn t. basically? >> yeah, kind of. but you work your way up. >> all these stories about the new fads, you don't have to do an hour-long workout. what is the minimum you need to
do as a workout and how many times a week to get reasonably fit? >> good question here, because i'm a believer in the workout. it's working out with weights, 30 to 45 minutes. but to get the cardio and the weights -- >> how many days a week? >> oh, five. >> five days a week. >> i don't think this is realistic. every moment of your waking day you want to work out. but people like me, it is torture, and what i want to hear is, i don't want to hear five or six. i want to hear three times a week, preferably for half an hour would be my dream. >> you have to think of it this way, too. i create programs that people can keep themselves accountable. everyone starts out at a different level. so if you work out one day a
week for a month, you're going to see some kind of result because you're putting your body through something that it's never been through. ideally, we would like people to get out to work out five times a week, because then it becomes a lifestyle change. >> but it's expensive. >> i create at-home finance results. >> we have discounts with bulk classes. >> barry, want to throw a plug in while you're at it? >> if i can also say, it has to be fun. if it's not fun, people aren't going to come back. at fly wheel, we have great music, remixes, and it's dark. it feels like a club. >> i'm telling you, it gets the juices flowing. thank you all very much indeed. coming up next, i'll take a ride
back now with my studio audience. they've been here for the whole hour. ruth is here to show me how to use one of her famous fly wheels. >> i want you to look at that little screen and i want you to take your torque to 25. >> 25 on the torque. >> so you take the blue while and turn it to the right until it gets to 25.
that's our word for resistance, torque. so you're at 25, right? >> yeah. >> so now take your rpm number to 70. >> okay, easy. 73. >> all right, piers, i want you to stay at 70 but take your torque up to 28. >> okay. >> how's that going? >> getting a little testy. >> should we try 30? >> why not? that's 30 and i'm at 70. >> is that a good balance? >> very good. >> how many seconds do i have to do this for? >> about 30. >> so i can see this is grueling. luckily, i don't have to keep doing this, but it's been a fascinating show. i want to thank all my guests and the studio audience. have a happy and healthy new year. good night. [ applause ]
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