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you around the world starting in nigeria. with the actions of an islamic terror group have brought condemnation from across the globe. where did boko haram come from, and what are they capable of? also the big question on u krin right now is will president putin make a deal? i will ask henry kissinger who has spent more time with the russian leader than any other american. and who is the world's number one economy, china or the united states? there's been a lot of information and misinformation out there recently. we will sort it out. all that plus why one curmudgeon said the movie "groundhog day" is a great addition to life. first, here's my take. in foreign policy there is one
quick way into the history books. make a major mistake. we can be sure with lyndon johnson and george w. bush that no matter what else was said of them, their decision to lead to intervention and war will be long discussed. the second path to big success is actually less short. nixon's opening to china was quickly seen as historic, but harry truman's many bold decisions, nato, containment, the martial plan was one of its time. what about the current office? president obama has not made a major mistake. he has done a skillful job steering the united states out of the muddy waters of afghanistan and he resisted pushing the country into another major conflict with all the complications it would inevitably entail. but he has been less skillful at
building up an edifice of achievements. he still has time to fix that. look at ukraine. but the reality is as princeton's john eikenberry has often pointed out, the world order built after the second world war continues to endure seven decades after its creation. it has outlasted challengers from soviet russia, china and most recently, radical islam. the economists' magazine this week tallies the country's 90 richest countries. 99 lean toward the united states. 59 don't. russia is not a rising global power seeking to overturn the liberal world order. it is a declining power, terrified that the few countries clustered around it are still
moving away from it. here's the real problem. we all accuse vladimir putin of cold war nostalgia, but washington misses the old days as well. it wishes for a world in which the united states was utterly dominant over its allies, where its foes were to be shunned entirely, where the challenges were stark, moral and vital. today's world is messy and complicated. china is our biggest trading partner, but our looming geopolitical rival. russia is a surly spoiler, but it has created deep ties in europe. numerous players like turkey and brazil have minds of their own and won't be bossed around easily. what we need is a set of sophisticated strategies to shore up the existing global system but also keep the major powers invested in it. with ukraine, for example, it's vital that obama rally the world against russia's violation of borders and norms, and yet the only long-term solution to ukraine has to involve russia.
without moscow's buy-in, ukraine cannot be stable and successful. the country, for example, needs $15 billion to get through its immediate crisis. would it not make sense to try to split that bill with moscow? obama's strategy of putting pressure on moscow using targeted sanctions and rallying support in europe is the right one. it might even be showing some signs of paying off. similarly with china. the challenge is to provide the assurances that other asian countries want but to make sure that the pivot does not turn into a containment strategy against china, which is now the world's second largest economic and military power. that would make for a cold war in asia that no asian country wants and would not serve american interests, either. obama's restraint has served him well in avoiding errors, but it has also produced a strangely minimalist approach to his constructive foreign policy
agenda. from the asia pivot to russian sanctions to new trade deals, the administration has offered an ambitious and important agenda. but the president approaches it cautiously as if his heart is not in it, as if he's being pulled along by events rather than leading them. so once more, with feeling this time, mr. president. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read any "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. recent events in nigeria have brought shock and condemnation from around the world. i wanted to dig deeper into not only the events but also boko haram and the fight between islam and christianity in that part of the world. so i asked nicholas kristof andie liand
eliza griswold to join us. nicholas has been reporting on the story and his column last sunday was one of the ways that the kidnapping came to the world's attention. and eliza griswold is a journalist that spent 20 years traveling along the world's parallel, including new jeer ig. she wrote a book about it called "the tenth parallel." what is boko haram? >> boko haram is a group that's really more of a mess than a militant group. they are a bunch of armed young men who come out of an islamic movement in nigeria. so nigeria is split, north/south, mostly christian and muse lilims. >> the muslims generally have more power. >> right.
and they have no rights, even to go to school. it's a radical movement who has come out of disenfranchised young people who attack things they see as western in an effort to mobilize islam but really in an effort to gain power. >> you talk about this in your last book. how do you make sense -- would it be fair to call this islamic fu fund mentalism? what is behind this? >> i think we have this view that it's between different faiths. actually, i think it was eliza that made it clear it was not between different faiths, it's between extremists and muslims. what they have in common is the willingness to resort to violence, oppression, and that is what we're seeing with boko haram. >> but this does seem specifically muslim these days
which is, whenever you see these young men, they always have this incredibly brutal attitude towards women, and it does seem like it's across many parts of a minority of the islamic world. >> it's true that if you look at places where women and girls are least likely to get educated, where they're most likely to be opressed, then those are disproportionate countries. there are also places where the culture itself, quite aside from religion, is deeply oppressive of women, afghanistan, for example. i think what we're seeing here is, unfortunately, a spiral. so in northern nigeria, there is very little education. women are marginalized, partly for cultural and historical reasons. a lot of people cite islam as the region. then that leads people to think girls shouldn't get educated, that leads them to attack schools so girls don't get
educated which leads those areas to be further marginalized, women to be less part of the economy, less part of the society, and leaves groups like boko haram to have even more influence. >> as you were pointing out, part of this is a power struggle. these are armed gangs trying to wrest power from the federal government. you look at these guys who kidnapped these kids, you don't get the idea he prays five times every day. this guy is a thug who is leading in oppression of women. >> the laerd of boek shar, abubakar shekau, is actual a lunatic. he took girls from a boarding school some years ago in northern uganda. both of them use religion.
koney claims to be catholic. it's really not about islam than about seizing power, about sex, about taking these young women as sex slaves and cooks to do things the militants themselves don't want to do. >> how incompetent has nigeria been in all of this? >> nigeria has been not only incompetent, but also to the north, brutal. the combination of incompetence and brutality is a bad situation. then their initial response is to lie about it. they say, oh, we've rescued almost all the girls, all but eight. at every step of the way, they essentially ignored the problem. >> what do you say to people who say, look, this is a local issue. these guys are horrible but they don't really pose a threat to the united states or to western europe. why should we care? >> i guess i would say a couple of things. first of all, one of the things we learned in afghanistan when
we neglected it is that if you let an area fester, then over time it can, indeed, affect your interests. the second thing i guess i would say, we have interests, we also have values. when you have thugs who kidnap several hundred girls and take kids who should be becoming doctors and sell them for $12 each, then whether or not our interests are affected, we have values at stake. >> i mean, there are eight direct flights a day from nigeria to the united states. not a scaremonger, but it is only a matter of time until boko haram figures out how to get on these flights. abubakar shekau, the head of boko haram, has specifically said he is targeting society. it is an attempt to replace
nigerians with boko haram, and that's very concerning. we do have an interest in looking at civil society in northern nigeria and safeguarding the return of these girls in any way possible. >> thank you both. next on gps, will vladimir putin make a deal? henry kissinger will weigh in when we come back. grumman, we know in the cyber world, threats are always evolving. at first, we were protecting networks. then, we were protecting the transfer of data. and today it's evolved to infrastructure... ♪ ...finance... and military missions. we're constantly innovating to advance the front line in the cyber battle, wherever it takes us. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.
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secretary of state, and carl theodore of gottenberg, the defense minister. you were on this show and you made two predictions. you said putin was not going to like what's happening in ukraine and the way ukraine was trying to move to the west and move to the eu, and being that he wouldn't do anything during the olympics, both proved to be right, which is the day after the olympics putin moved. now meeting him, and you have met him more than any american, do you believe what you're hearing from him suggests that he is now looking for a diplomatic bath? >> yes. i believe that he's looking for a diplomatic outcome, but when i discuss what the outcome is, he doesn't just want an outcome in the abstract, and every reaction
that i know is to -- they cannot look at you as an entirely folding country, so membership of ukraine and nato is something that's extremelygrating to them if it was to happen. then he probably most certainly wants ukraine as relatively weak as possible so they're not in a position to challenge him because it's a country of 45 million people. those are the strategic objectives. >> you think he doesn't want to annex eastern ukraine? >> no, but i think he wants to
have eastern ukraine as a sort of autonomous region, but that's not the key issue. the key issue to me seems to be this. russia's strategic frontier at the border of poland is unacceptable to the west. that would be if all of ukraine fell under russian -- >> under western control. >> a western strategic frontier 300 miles from moscow is unacceptable to russia. so the question is, can one create a kind of -- you can say perfect state or an area of cooperation in which ukraine will be free to participate in european economic relationships but not join nato. >> america has been pretty strong in terms of supporting
president obama. she seems to be alone, though, in germany in this regard. how do you read the german political situation? >> it's a hard situation for her, because on one side she's strongly committed to the western alliance and has so often quoted values connected to it. on the other hand, she is the leader around the globe that has had the most direct contact with vladimir putin during the last weeks and months, and i think that's a balance she has to keep for foreign policy. talking about the situation in germany, she is facing quite a tough position. and you hear also some kind of growing -- i call it selective anti-americanism in a group which is not famous for doing so. so that's a new development and it makes it hard for her to deal with. >> there is an article that the editor of devout, one of the big
newspapers, say we have to realize germany is not the germany of the cold war. it includes parts of the east that have been historically close to russia and have part of themselves as kind of a bridge between the west and the east. the former chancellor going to putin's birthday party. is this a new germany that is going to try to play a kind of different role and merkameric me one person trying to pull it in a different direction? >> that is a discussion about finding an eke -- equilibrium, and the chancellor is finding that very notion. at first they were accusing the
eu for aggressive behavior toward russia and the reaction as such was understandable, but it certainly is part of a germany that tries to find a role within europe, within the wider europe, that is somewhere being redefined. >> henry, we should still be working, you feel, to keep russia, in a sense, integrated into the current global order? >> i think paradoxically, russia is a country that has enormous internal problems. it's a declining demography, it's an inadequate industry. but it is a piece of strategic real estate, which is in everybody's interest that it becomes part of an international system rather than an isolated island. so yes, i would -- i think one
has to interpret putin not like a hitler like he has been, but as a russian czar who is trying to achieve the maximum for its country. usually that message is excessive and we are correct in standing up to it, but we also have to know when the confrontation should end. >> henry kissinger, carl, great to have you both on. you might have heard that china is about to become the world's biggest economy soon. but don't believe everything you hear. i will explain. i'm type e.
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it will be for a while. and as it turns out, china is okay with that. let me explain. a new report from the world bank's international comparison program, or icp, says that china is catching up to the u.s. faster than anticipated. in 2005, the icp estimated china's economy was 43% the size of america's. but their latest report puts china's gdp at 13.5 trillion. that accounts for 87% of the u.s. economy, which is 15.5 trillion. given that china's economy is growing three times as fast as the u.s., it is fair to project that china will surpass the u.s. by year end. so are we bracing ourselves for a big power shift from west to east for a new pacific era? well, not exactly. the international comparison program based their rankings on a measure called purchasing power parody. ppp, as it's called, estimates the real cost of living.
in other words, what money can actually buy you in each country, not how much money you have. for instance, on average you can buy a loaf of white bread at a market in china for 1.66 dlr$1.. but the same would cost you about $2.39 in the united states. a pack of marlbro cigarettes sets you back $2.40 in china and $6 in the u.s. while some goods and services may be cheaper in the developing world, many things cost the same whether you are in beijing, washington, d.c. or new delhi. the wall street journal perhaps puts it best: china can't buy missiles and ships and iphones and german cars in ppp currency. they have to pay at prevailing
exchange rates. national power is best compared on the basis of this standard measure: market exchange rates. by that measure the u.s. economy is still nearly twice the size of china's. in fact, by that standard, the american economy is larger than china and japan's combined. so china won't regain its spot as the world's biggest economy for some time. i say regain, by the way, because by some measures china was actually the world's largest economy as recently as 1890. then the industrial revolution propelled the united states to the top ranking. what that shows you is that it is possible to be very poor and technologically backward as china was without a doubt for most of the 19th century, and still, because of sheer size, you're going to be counted as the world's biggest economy. what's more, china doesn't even want to be number one right now. china's national bureau of statistics has expressed
reservations about the world bank's findings. why? maybe because china wants to avoid the spotlight and responsibilities that come with being a rich country. the communist party does not want to make any concessions on trade or climate change or any other areas as rich nations are called on to do. also keep in mind that china is still a relatively poor country. when you look at poor capit capita gdp, china doesn't rank second or even third. china is is behind peru. if you like this show, don't forget to dvr it so you can make sure you never miss an episode of gps. if you don't know how to dvr, ask some 15-year-old for help. next on gps, is some good news in the united states really as good as it might seem, or are we in a bubble.
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stagnate. and the economist who predicted both the tech bubble of the 1990s and the housing bubble that precipitated the global recession says we're back in bubble territory. to make accepts of all of this, i'm joined by the economics editor of "the economist" and steve raptor who was the obama administration's carza. welcome. so when you look at the economic news over the last few weeks, particularly in the united states, what conclusion do you draw? >> i think we're on track to have a reasonably strong recovery for the rest of the year. there are several things, i think, that make me more optimistic than i have been about previous years. one is that the hangover of the financial crisis is really behind us, companies are in good shape and flush with cash, and like last year, we didn't have such a daft fiscal policy. last year the fiscal cuts dragged down the economy, slowed the economy. things are looking much better
this year. things still are not that great. it's much better and better than the growth we had in the first quarter, but it's still not that great. >> steve, who predicted both the tech bubble and the housing bubble says we're back in bubble territory. >> stocks are expensive, no doubt about that, when we look at the price of stocks relative to the earnings of the companies, trading at about 16 times the earnings, which is high. you do see bubbles around which you have a number of tech stocks that were high, twitter, for example. now they're starting to come down again. >> so if we look at the chart that twitter puts out, one way to look at it, i suppose, zanny, how you look at how a stock is fairly valued, it's not nearly as bad as the tech bubble of '99, but it's kind of on the high side compared to the last
century. >> i like steve's bubblets. we have big bubblets, if you will. the question is, how much do we need to worry about them, but it's also a function of what impact a correction would have. i think the important comparison is with, say, 1999, when you had a huge correction as the dot-com bubble burst, it didn't have nearly as cataclysmic effect as the bubble of 2007, and i think the impact right now is much more like 1999. >> what about jobs? >> you had more jobs created last month, but we're toddleing mostly around 99,000 jobs most months which is barely the number of people coming into the work force. the worst thing, incomes aren't
growing. when you get back to the question of what is the prospects for growth, if people don't have income, they can't spend. if they don't spend, the economy can't grow. if people don't spend, in my mind that is the reason why business holds back on investment, because they don't see demand there. and that's really the biggest problem. >> martin wolf had a piece in which he said we've got to put in place a whole new set of policies that really aggressively promote inflation, and we should punish all these people who are saving money, who have their money parked in bank checking accounts, savings accounts, and think of all the viewers of the show who have been dutifully been frugal and saving their money, and he says i think we need inflation to force those people out and put them to work. what do you think of that? >> i have great respect for martin wolf, but i tend not to agree with this for a couple reasons. first of all, when you put your money in a bank as a saver,
they're supposed to lend it out to people who have a use for it. you don't have any use for it at the moment yourself. so it certainly promotes investment. secondly, we do not have a problem in this country of excessive savings. i think the correlation that larry summers in particular has made is that government should do more. >> and that's construction spending, stimulus -- >> yes, it's basic -- you know, larry is a grood frieood friendf ours, but it's basic economics. >> wipe out the savings of the viewers of their savings accounts? >> what is the really big problem of the appetite and demand in the world? as steve says, part of it is very clearly the need for more sensible public investment. infrastructure investment is an obvious one. this country is crying out for infrastructure development. europe has a good infrastructure
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considers himself a curmudgeon to give his shpiel. he is the author of the best seller "losing ground and the bell curve." sat down with him to talk about the curmudgeon's guide to getting ahead. do you have a curmudgeon's view of the old days? >> that's what curmudgeons do. part of it says you're going to the workplace, a lot of people you deal with may be pleasant, but they're constantly judging you on all sorts of things they don't admit. and i'm going to tell what you some of those things are. >> let me ask you about advice.
the first important thing is to get a job, and a real job. internships are affirmative action for the rich. you don't like them. >> it's really important to know what a subordinate/supervisor relationship is like growing up, because for lot of graduates, they haven't had that experience. they've had patient, understanding adults, patient, understanding teachers and they go into a job where people are gruff, maybe they don't say please, they don't say thank you, they don't care if you have an excuse, they just want the work done. and the very first tip in the book is don't suck up. say your mind if the discussion is going in a correction you don't like. but to be abrasive, to try to stand out by being flamboyant, that's not going to work. and it shouldn't work. >> you say make it like a
start-up marriage, not a merger. >> i don't say definitely don't get married early, but a lot of graduates assume they shouldn't get married until their 30s. and that's not a bad thing. you're more mature, you and your spouse are established in the world, but don't pass up the urge to get married at 25 or 27 when you met the right person. because there is one special thing you'll get together. you will have lived your life when it was still up in the air. you don't know what your big success is yet and what you accomplish will be together. >> one of the things you say that you should do is watch again and again one movie. which one and why? >> "groundhog day." >> why? >> i go further than that. i say you can skip the nickel and can ethics if you watch groundhog day. it's a fabulous movie. it's old, but it shows the evolution of the protagonist who is a complete jerk in the beginning of the movie into a
fully humanized human being at the end of the movie. it shows how you progress from that egocentrism to the kind of satisfaction that lasts. >> you weren't a broadcaster in journalism? >> no. believe it or not, i studied 1914 french poetry. >> what a waste of time. you western in broadcasting or journalism or anything like that? >> huh-uh. believe it or not, i studied 1914 prench poetry. [ speaking french ] >> what the movie is about, bill murray goes to a town, and he realizes, correct me if i'm wrong, there is no great adventure out there that is going to give him a great life, that it's all right here. he has what he needs to work with to create a great life.
>> it takes a long time for him to realize that. >> what is the one thing you want people to get out of this book? >> the one thing i want them to get out of it is a sense that a lasting and justified satisfaction with life as a whole is achieved by just a couple of things. that if you find something you love to do and learn how to do it well, and if you find a partner in life with whom -- who is your soulmate, everything else will round itself out. up next, did you get your mom flowers for mother's day? if so, you've likely given her a gift from a faraway land. stay tuned. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing.
across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. i know what my money is doing. i rebalanced my portfolio on my phone. you know what else i can do on my phone? place trades, get free real time quotes and teleport myself to aruba. i wish.
the week. which country has the highest percentage of residents who say global climate change is a major threat? united states, china, south korea or greece? stay tuned, we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is john nickelthwaite "the fourth revolution." this is by two top editors of the economist and it tells about revitalizing western government or governments anywhere. the book will be out thursday but you can order it now. now for "the last look." today marks the hundredth official mother's day in the united states. and countries around the world except antarctica has picked up the practice. perhaps you can go outside and pick flowers from the garden. if you do, you will be in the
minority that have actually given mom flowers that were locally grown. let's imagine the world flower trade as a bouquet of 100 roses. 60 of those stems would have been processed in one country, the netherlands, and most of those traveled through here, the world's largest auction, called the wall of wildflowers. here it covers one of the largest buildings in the world by floor space, roughly as large as 200 football fields of flowers. the flowers, which have been flown in around the world, are paraded around for auction, sold and then shipped all around the world. the 20 million flowers and 2 million plants sold here each day have to make their way to the airport by noon to get in that beautiful bouquet for your mom the next day. whatever you think of the
environmental impact, globalization is clearly blossoming in the netherlands. the correct answer is d, greece. according to a pugh research poll conducted last spring, 87% of residents saw climate change as a potential threat. 85% feel threatened, which isn't surprising given its proximity to one of the world's worst polluters, china. china isn't bothered. only 39% are worried and america isn't much better at 40%. if you're part of the group that doesn't think it's a major threat, i encourage you to read our climate change report. there is a link on our website. thank you for being part of our program this week. i will see you next week. hello, i'm alexandra field. here are the top stories we're following at this hour. >> the st. louis rams suggest michael sam, defensive end.
>> with that seventh round pick, the st. louis rams made history, making michael sam the first openly gay player ever chosen in the nfl draft. sam was the sec codefensive player of the year. he's been congratulated by everyone from president obama to hollywood celebs. police are looking for a third victim after a hot air balloon burned and crashed in virginia friday. two of the victims have been identified. virginia doyle and natalie lewis worked with the school's basketball program. the ntsb has been called in to investigate what went wrong. voting goes on in western ukraine as people cast ballots to declare independence from ukraine. separatists arranged it. they saw several people voting twice in one polling station. many worry the results of the
vote could put the country one step closer to civil war. i'mly ex d alexandra field. "reliable sources" starts right now. welcome to "reliable sources." i'm brian seltzer, and happy mother's day to all the moms at home. a huge perceived conflict of interest at cbs news. for more than a year now, cbs has been hounded about its coverage of the 2012 consulate attack in benghazi, libya and all its follow-up stories about the attack. many of the complaints bring up this family tie. jason rhodes was involved in writing the talking points that are at the heart of some of the lingering benghazi controversies. in may, an e-mail surfaced, one
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