tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN May 26, 2014 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
and before i let you go, these are live pictures from washington, d.c.. it's the largest memorial day event in the nation and, of course, honors those killed in every war since the american revolution. it's broadcast live to troops all around the world. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with us on this memorial day. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. with so many red flags, how was it that nobody was able to stop the santa barbara killer? i'm jake tapper. this is the "the lead." >> he looked directly at me, he talked to me and then shot at me multiple times. >> the national lead. rampage. the killer making no secret his pathetic motive was some sort of sexual frustration. but in this case, certain warning flags were caught and the bloodshed happened anyway. also in national news -- >> it makes me sick to my
stomach. >> veterans dying in this country while waiting for medical help. defense secretary chuck hagel discussed it in our exclusive s sit-down. in the world lead, pope francis defying expectations yet again on a trip to the holy land. can he succeed where so many others have failed in brokering peace in the middle east? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. we'll begin with the national lead today in santa barbara, california, six people killed in a horrific series of attacks near the university of california, santa barbara. a pair of sorority sisters, roommates visiting their buddy, college students out on an errand. all of them slained by a 22-year-old because he couldn't
get a date. after this, the questions turn to the motive, what could someone drive someone to do this sort of thing. this time we already know. pent-up sexual frustration, he gave voice to the mall lig nancy inside of him, in a 141-page rant. and on the types of message boards that you hope you never find on your son's, husband's, or boyfriend's internet cache. he was somebody's son. by all accounts, he was denied nothing, really, in his privileged life. his parents apparently got him mental help since childhood, engaging in a small platoon of therapists to try to get through to him. police were at the killer's doorstep a month ago for a wellness check. in the end, or rather when he brought about this end, none of it was enough.
our justice correspondent pamela brown is standing by live for us. pamela, what's the latest? >> jake, we're still trying to figure out what pell through the cracks here. investigators have been going through the search of elliot rodger's mother's house to indicate what made him finally snap. we know that elliot had been struggling with mental health issues since he was a child, as you pointed out. but it was not until friday night, that according to this friend, there was any indication that he was going to hurt someone. cnn has learned elliot rodger's father was racing from l.a. to santa barbara in a frantic search for his son when the car radio blurted an announcement. >> there is a dark colored bmw with a white occupant, a male in a white shirt. >> reporter: someone driving a black bmw, just like his son's, was on a deadly shooting rampage in santa barbara. >> shots fired, shots fired.
>> reporter: peter's fears realized. police say he was planning for at least a year. >> you do deserve it, just for the crime of living a better life than me. >> reporter: rodger taped this youtube video titled "retribution" before killing six people and injuring 13. >> i wanted a boyfriend. i've wanted sex. i've wanted love, affection, adoration. you think i'm unworthy of it. that's a crime that can never be forgiven. >> reporter: rodger outlined his deadly plans in a manifesto obtained by keyt. bradley was mentioned in t he grew up a few doors down from rodger. >> the elliot rodger i knew was a quiet guy. he was just really there he didn't say much. i don't remember him saying
anything. he only spoke when he was spoken to. >> reporter: a family friend says rodger sent his diatribe to a couple dozen people, including his mother, father, and therapist. on sunday, the atf and county sheriff's office searched the mother's home. rodger's parents feel a pivotal moment was missed last month. six police officers conducted a well-being check on rodger in april. after his mother discovered other videos he posted online, documenting his, quote, loneliness and misery. the officers say they found nothing alarming during their check and his manifesto he expresses his devastating fear that police discovered his plan. i would have been thrown in jail, denied of the chance to exact revenge on my enemies. i can't imagine a hell darker than that, he wrote. >> we'd like to believe that we can collect all of the data, all of the evidence and be able to identify mass murderers before they act but we simply cannot do
it. >> reporter: and rodger had been visiting therapists on and off since he was 8 years old and in high school prablctically daily. right before his killing spree, he was seeing two theirist approximates describing him as reserved to a daunting degree and said that he didn't appear to have violent tendencies and never expressed any fascinations with guns. jake? >> pamela brown, thank you so much. many are going to focus on this killer and why he did what he did and, of course, that is what somebody like him would want. we try to keep focus on the victim, such as 20-year-old weihan wang and george chen and cheng yuan hong when he attacked them as they slept. and then the horror moved to the sorry sisters, katherine
cooper, who went by katie for short and veronika weiss. she was a math whiz. the final victim was christopher martinez. he was shot dead at a deli. he was reportedly preparing for a year of studying abroad in london. the father of christopher martinez showed his anger and agony to the nation, blaming not just the man who killed his son but those who represent the rights of gun owners. let's bring in our own kyung lah who is live in isla vista, california. what did the father tell you? >> reporter: he said that this sort of pain is unimaginable. this was his only child who he lost. and he says he is filled with rage. he says he wants to talk to the
press. as many reporters as possible because washington is refusing to talk, refusing to listen. and this father says it is congress' inaction that has led to all of this. >> where the hell is the leadership? where the hell are these people that we elect to congress and spend so much money on? these people are getting rich sitting in congress. and what do they do? they don't take care of our kids. my kid died because nobody responded to what occurred at sandy hook. those parents lost little kids. it's bad enough that i lost my 20-year-old but i had 20 years with my son. >> reporter: and this father also adds today who is talking about the parents of sandy hook. those sandy hook victims. he says today you can simply replace the town sandy hook with isla vista and tomorrow it will be a new town and this will keep
going on until he believes there will be a conversation about mental health and the proliferation of guns. jake? >> kyung lah, thank you so much. coming up, how much blame for this tragedy lies with washington? next, i'll speak with a congressman who will respond to the distraught father about why more has not been done. plus, the defense secretary and how his own brother saved his life after he was shot on the battlefield. how much protein does your dog food have?
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christopher michael martinez, one of the people senselessly killed by a sick young man. so what kind of leadership can washington offer to stop the mass murders like this one? joining me is a congressman who is trying to push through a bill that would talk about mental illness in america. what is your reaction to that grieving parent? he wants to know why mentally disturbed people are still able to get guns. why? why are they? >> well, it comes down to this point when we did our year-long investigation. one of the mothers that i met whose child was killed at sandy hook, she said when we're talking about guns, it's too late. and what we found was pretty awful in terms of the handling of mental illness. families are shut out from treatment, we found there's a critical bed shortage and treatment options, not enough beds and providers. we found that it's difficult to
get effective treatment. it's difficult. we need police to be treating these things and we found that a lot of federal resources are not targeted towards those with mental illness. we do a lot for softer sides of things but just in the year that we've been doing this investigation, we've had the navy yard shooting and 40,000 suicides. this is heartbreaking. and it is one that has continued to encourage my colleagues to work on. for goodness sakes, let's listen to fathers like this. stop the politics. we can do effective things in washington and, quite frankly, we've got to get it done. >> you know, this warped young men had been getting mental health help. he was from a family of means. apparently his mother had called the police because she was worried about him in youtube videos he had posted.
the police went and checked on him. listen to what the sheriff bill brown said about that meeting that the killer had with his deputies. >> they found him to be rather shy and timid, polite, well-spoken. he explained to the deputies that it was a misunderstanding. he was able to convince them that he was not a danger to himself or anyone else. >> he explained that to the police. but then listen to what the killer wrote about that visit from police in his sick rant. he wrote, quote, the police would have searched my room, found all of my guns and weapons along with my writings about what i planned to do with them. i would have been thrown in jail and denied the revenge on my enemies. frankly, that wasn't the case but it was so close. so i guess the question is, should the police have gone into the room? are police not instructed to not just take the word for it from these guys? >> you've got two great points there. a concern that we hear time and
time again from parents is that they were shut out from parents. they shouldn't be. but quite frankly, people have got to believe parents when they say i believe my son is dangerous. we have the same kind of case, had they looked at the room, they would have understood the plan. it's important that we provide more police training. i don't know all of the questions or what they did. but by gosh, these parents were saying, this is a serious concern. believe us. and that's going to require more than a cursory interview, especially when you understand a killer who has plotted this out will look calm. a person who is seriously mentally ill won't always look that way. they can keep it together and one of the times that oftentimes occur is they are taken to a hospital, perhaps by the police, and they are able to convince staff, i'm fine, leave me alone. we have groups out there of lawyers whose job it is to get people out of care. why can't we just focus on the resources here, listen to parents, get police training, look a little bit deeper in these things and get the treatment that is needed.
yes, he had a lot of treatment in his life. i don't know what level that was but certainly there was a huge disconnect. >> congressman, it seems like when it comes to purchasing guns and when it comes to warning society of individuals, we have two categories. it's either this person is okay or this person has been adjudicated as dangerous. should there not be some sort of third category in we know that there were all of these warnings signs of the newtown killer, of the aurora killer, of the virginia tech killer. should there not be some sort of middle ground where these people are not able to have such easy, quick access to weapons, whether it's knives or guns? >> well, one of the things that is supposed to happen in a situation like this, the records are supposed to get into the national background check list and very often they don't get there. a second thing is, with regard to the person's access to weapons, any therapist should still be asking the parents, does your son or daughter have access to weapons?
even if it's not to that level yet. there's an important part of responsibility. police are doing more in terms of asking and quering about those issues as well. after all, if we're not getting the treatment to people, if we continue to have federal barriers that just medicaid says we're not paying for hospital balls, the law says we're not going to and ten times more likely, with a serious amount of illness, ten times more likely to be in jail than in a hospital. that's the way we go. we wait until a crime appears, we wait until the person is homeless, we wait for a suicide and then scratch our heads and say why. >> congressman tim murphy, thank you. good to see you, sir. coming up, residents warned to stay inside as deadly clashes break out on the streets of eastern ukraine. next, i'll talk to the former secretary of state madeleine
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ukraine will soon have a new president who is not hiding out in russia. early results from the elections are that billionaire petro poroshenko will be the new president. ukraine is calling progress into question. helicopters flew over donetsk airport as residents ducked from gunfire. should the elections have calmed the violence? joining me now is former secretary of state madeleine albright who is in kiev leading an international mission observing the elections.
madam secretary, thank you so much for joining us. there's a lot of violence right now, especially in the donetsk airport between militants and the military. are you concerned at all that this violence could undo all of the good that happened with the elections yesterday? >> i am very sorry about the violence and the people that are the victims of it but i think a very big story here is a very successful election that took place yesterday where there was orderly voting, people knew what they wanted. the vote has spoken for ukraine. they want to have a sovereign, independent democratic country and i think that we need to understand that and that, unfortunately, thanks to the action of the separatists, a small percentage of the nation was disenfranchised while the rest of the ukrainian people were able to express their wish
for a democratic sovereign and independent ukraine. >> what do you say to people who question if this is a credible election because so many polling stations were closed with so many people intimidated in eastern ukraine? >> the population of ukraine is over 45 million people. the numbers of people that were able to vote are somewhere between 60 and 65%. we had observers -- i'm chairman of the board of the democratic institute. we had chairmans all over the country who were reporting about a free and fair election. i think the important part here is to recognize the legitimacy of the wishes of the ukrainian people and really feel sorry for those who prevented from voting by those who had other intentions of destabilizing ukraine and the ukrainian people don't want to be destabilized. they want to be a normal
european country. >> russian foreign minister remember g sergey lavrov said they are open to dialogue by the new leadership in ukraine. is this a softening of putin? >> the thing i objected to is that i didn't think decisions should be made over the head of the ukrainians. they need to be at the table, whether it was in geneva or other venues and part of the things that the russians had been saying earlier is that they wouldn't sit at the table with ukrainians. i do think -- and it makes sense to me -- that there would in fact be two things going on. how they can be a part of europe, have a western orientation and at the same time have a relationship with the russians. so i think that that part goes forward simultaneously.
>> do you think russia meddled in the run-up to this election? >> i think that the russians clearly had a role in kind of provoking some of the separatists but whatever they tried to do, they did not succeed in the majority part of ukraine. what was to me so moving was i went to the madon and a lot of people said we got our dignity and they went to the elections with their heads held high and voted to have a normal democratic government and they now deserve that and i think that the international community with the u.s. active participant needs to help them in what is going to be a fairly long story. >> madeleine albright, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. when we come back, sick to his stomach. that's what the defense secretary how he feels over allegations that veterans died
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welcome back to "the lead." today, memorial day. president obama went to arlington national cemetery to lay a wreath at the tombs of the unknown. so did eric shinseki, both of whom are under pressure to respond to the scandal surrounding health care delays at the v.a. >> these americans have done their duty. they ask nothing more than our country does ours. >> defense secretary chuck hagel was there to pay his respects. a former v.a. deputy administrator, i asked him about
his gut reaction when he heard the news of these scandals. >> are you appalled when you hear these stories? >> it makes me sick to my stomach because it a clear responsibility we have as a country, as a people to take care of these men and women and their families who have sacrificed so much. i know systems are imperfect. i get that. but when you've got what we do know and, you're right, we need to get the facts, let's see exactly what happened, why it happened, how it happened, then we've got to fix it. then we have to fix it. >> but ultimately you still back secretary shinseki? >> well, i do. again, let's get the facts here. let's see what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who knew about it. but accountability, just as president obama said, is the key here. >> secretary of defense hagel earned two purple hearts at the vietnam war.
i asked him to reflect on the time he served and who he still thinks about on memorial day. >> you and your brother tom went in together. you saved each other's lives? >> we did, i suppose. both wounded twice. the first time we were wounded was in march of 1968 and we were hit by an ambush going across the stream. and i got hit, we all got hit with mines. i still have shrapnel in my chest. everybody was dazed. i might have bled if we didn't walk next to each other because there was no one else around us and you could probably legitimately say he saved my life. the second time we were wounded, we hit a landmine at 2:00 in the morning and blew up our track
and i was throwing everybody off the track. my face was burnt, everything was burnt, eardrums blown out. my brother was unconscious. i didn't know he was dead. i got him out just in time, finally, because he was strapped in and it probably was ten seconds after i was able to throw him off and get everybody off that that track blew up and they dusted us off in helicopters that night and put us in field hospitals. >> there's a lot of talk about today's veterans about posttraumatic stress. it wasn't diagnosed during that time of the vietnam veterans. do you have it? do you still have it? >> i never thought about it, jake. first, i think you recognize that any individual who goes through a war, who goes through combat, who sees things, of people dying in front of them,
you're changed. and there's no question. every war. i think it's partly how you handle that. some can handle it better than others and also i think it depends on where you came from. what was your situation before you went to war? we're all different and we all handle things differently. but sure, i had been affected, and i'd like to think that at least what i tried to do and a lot of veterans and most veterans have done this, take the positive of what you have learned and apply that to what you are doing and help you maybe make -- be a better leader, a better father, a better husband, a better friend. but sure, you get drug back into moments when you have to rise above it. but unfortunately, it was not diagnosed as a legitimate problem until years after ward. so now i think we're doing a good job with it. it's not perfect but at least we
recognized it. at least we're providing help. and that helps all of our veterans. >> for a lot of the country, this weekend is about, you know, vacation, three-day weekend, mattress sale. but for some people it's about remembering people who are no longer here because they fought in wars. you're a vietnam veteran. what do you think about on memorial weekend? >> i think about all of the men and women that i served with, some whose names are on the vietnam veteran memorial wall. >> anyone in particular? >> a couple guys, a guy by the name of summers who was killed when my brother tom and i were wounded the first time, he was killed in that ambush. and a young kid. he had only been out there -- he was 18 and had been there two months. a guy by the name of tony palombo. there are others, too. but those two because i think they happened fairly early in
the time that i was there. somehow those stick out. >> one of those was his commander, jerome johnson. >> my brother and i have looked for our company commander, a young 21-year-old african-american from chicago that took over. huge racial problems, segregated tents. couldn't find him. just talked to him three months ago, found him in chicago. we're bringing him back to washington, he and his wife and their grandsons to meet with the president of the united states and to spend the weekend with us. we have not seen him since 1968. >> he really made you guys integrated. >> he made us integrated. we went into that company and we had huge problems. the army, as you know, in 1968, a bad year for everybody. we sent 16,000 dead americans home in one year. but riacial problems here in th united states in the army. he walked into that company as a
young african-american lieutenant and said, no. no more. we're all americans. we're going to take care of each other, we're going to live together and fight together and like each other. no segregated tents. let's get it done. my brother and i have never forgot that. that's one element of what i think about when i think of veterans, leadership, courage, doing what is right. it's not just all about war but it's about the personal. >> coming up on "the lead," the white house is used to defending itself over leaks to the media but this time the administration did the leaking itself. how the identity of one high level cia official was accidently released. plus, new anguish as the flight for 370 could be suspended for months. we'll tell you why. ahead.
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so time to swoop in and bring back those girls, right? not so fast. our senior international correspondent arwa damon is standing by in nigeria. what do we know? >> reporter: well, these comments by the chief of defense who is air chief is fairly vague in the sense that he was simply saying that at this stage the government, the military know where the girls are but are not going to be disclosing that information. really urging people to give them some room to continue with whatever military operation they may have in place. saying, though, that they would not be using force to try to rescue these girls, that any sort of risk to the girls' lives would not end up being worth it in the end. here's the challenge, though, jake, as we've been reporting all along. does the military, in fact, know exactly where these girls are? have those various surveillance
missions over various areas of interest in the eastern part of the country actually been able to lead them to specific locations or were these comments broadly made in the sense that, yes, we know they are in the northeastern part of the country. this is where we believe they are. we still don't know, for example, if the girls are all being kept together or if it's widely suspected they have been broken down into smaller groups. and then, of course, it's the very critical question of if military use of force is out of the question, what is on the table, then? some sort of negotiation? and whom exactly do you negotiate with boko haram at this stage? very much being described as a fractured negotiation. you could be negotiating with one group and trying to secure their release but then not those that are being held by another group. so while these comments made lead to a sense of optimism, not a lot concrete yet, jake. >> arwa damon, thank you. it was supposed to be a trip
shrouded in secrecy. president obama spent a little more than four hours in afghanistan. he thanked the troops for knocking al qaeda on their heels and promised again this year that america's longest war would come to an end. that was the headline but now it turns out that the white house accidently leaked the identity of the cia's chief in kabul to literally thousands of reporters. let's bring in jim acosta. jim, the name of the cia's kabul station chief was sent to 6,000 members of the media. how did that happen? >> reporter: it's a real head scratcher, jake, but it did happen yesterday. the white house and cia is not commenting on the accidental release of this top operative in afghanistan.
other news outlets are not reporting the identity of the station chief. but this is how it went down and it's going to sound familiar to you in terms of the process, jake. basically, white house officials inadvertently included the name of the station chief in a list of participants who were involved in the president ds trip to afghanistan yesterday to the print pool reporter. the print reporter, traveling along with the president, who was part of that small pool of reporters who covers the president's movement and that pool reporter included name in his report, sent it back to the white house press office and sent it on to people like you and me who get these pool reports and then it was at that point that that print reporter with "the washington post" noticed the station chief's name spelled out in this e-mail and went back to white house officials and said, hey, wait a minute, do you really want this name in here? and the white house said no and they quickly tried to correct it. but jake, by that point the name was released. it was put in this e-mail and the cat was basically already
out of the bag. we should point out at this point that we have not heard from the white house, from cia officials whether anybody has been fired. what the current state is of that operative, that station chief in afghanistan. those are some of the unresolved questions. but privately, i can tell you that administration officials are furious about that and worried, quite frankly, about the safety of the station chief. and just to show you the discomfort inside the intelligence agency, valerie plane's identity was blown by the bush administration because of people inside the bush administration upset with her husba husband's criticism and she wrote out, astonishing, white house miss stainenly identifies cia chief in afghanistan. that goes to the feelings sometimes that people at the white house, no matter what administration is in power, which party is in power, doesn't always have the cia's back. some of that frustration is
being voiced. >> who needs ed snowden? >> reporter: that's right. >> jim acosta at the white house, thank you so much. besides the impending withdrawal from afghanistan, the crisis in ukraine, the pressure to broker a nuclear deal with iran, there's the u.s. reluctance in the syrian crisis. that's where i pick up with my conversation with chuck hagel. >> people on capitol hill and foreign policy hands in the time i wonder how you respond to it, that they say in that 45-minute walk that president obama took with denis mcdonough and decided not to strike, there is still a concern on capitol hill. democrats and republicans a like, that the decision to walk away from the red line that the president drew on chemical weapons, weakened the united
states because allies and enemies don't believe threats. how do you respond to that? >> i don't agree and i'll explain why. i think it's a bit simplistic that somehow we have lost our edge. we, being the united states and our leadership, our technology, our equipment, with our partners, with the danes, norwegian, the russians, we've been able to get more than 90% of the precursors and the mixers of chemical weapons out of syria. we'll get that other 8% out. we're making good progress on that. that's a huge achievement. i don't think assad just gave those chemical weapons up because he thought we were week weak. i think the opposite. this is far more complicated that one piece of this. so there's a lot going on here. but to think that a military option is going to fix syria, it's not. we've got to work this thing in
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welcome back to "the lead." in world news, the pope is on his way back to the vatican after a three-day trip to the middle east, one that might have set the peace deal for the holy land. not bad for three days' work. the pope invited the presidents of israel and the palestinian authority to visit the vatican for an interfaith day of peace. how big of a deal is this? >> well, it's a big deal in the sense that it's the vatican now and the pope trying to wade into
the very murky, difficult waters of palestinian/israeli peace process. that's one. second, he's gotten both the israeli and the palestinian authority in principle to agree after peace talks basically collapsed last month. so that's another positive step. but whether or not anything can actually come out of it, that's a big question. and we have to keep in mind, he's invited the president. per r perez is the israeli president. the reins of power in the hands of president netanyahu. he's not included in this invitation and also perez is basically stepping down after about two months. so how much influence he could have, well, that's a big question. and there's a short period of time for him left to influence the peace process here. >> and ivan, tell us about the significance of the pope's stop
at the wall that divides israel from the west bank. >> well, it doesn't appear that it was planned. and i can tell you, i was in bethlehem when he did that. the palestinians were delighted. i mean, they were thrilled that the pontiff had taken this moment, had actually laid his hand on that wall next to graffiti that was scrawled on there and the palestinians, you know, part of it because he was bringing attention to something that they see as a symbol of israeli occupation of the west bank, as a symbol of oppression, what many of them call the apartheid wall. so they were thrilled with that. today, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu told the pope that the wall can come down when israel can feel safe from terrorist attacks from the palestinian territories. >> ivan watson of jerusalem, thank you so much. it's now been 80 days since malaysian flight 370 vanished
with 239 people on board and so far the surface above and below has turned up nothing. now it looks like the families will have to go nearly the entire summer without answers. the search for flight 370 may be put on hold until at least august after the bluefin underwater drone finishes up its work. it's looking for possible pings where the flight data recorders were detected in april. it's not even clear whether the black boxes were the true source of those pings or if crews are looking in the right place at all. some families don't think they are. tomorrow, finally, they may get a better idea of that after malaysian officials release raw satellite data that they've been holding back for months. and don't forget, premiering this thursday on cnn, the decade that changed the world. vietnam, free love, the british invasion, all of it chronicled in the ten-part series of "the
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