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have been her greatest work "i know why the cage bird sings." her poem for bill clinton's inauguration "on the pulse of morning." >> today the rock cries out to us, clearly, forcefully, come, you may stand up on my back and face your distant destiny, but seek no haven in my shadow. i will give you no hiding place down here. good evening, everyone. thank you for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news. fallout from that sharply critical inspector general's report on the v.a. hospital in phoenix. a document that confirms what this program has been uncovering since last november. namely, the veterans have been
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kept waiting months for care and that phoenix employees cooked the books to hide it. the numbers as you'll see are sillily staggering and the problem as cording to this report could be systemwide. as we're coming to you tonight the house affairs committee is in session grilling them complete with fireworks. >> can you say anything without reading your prepared notes? and while i have your attention, can you please explain to me why we, in fact, have 110 outstanding requests for information, some dealing with this issue specifically, and if you want a specific one, why have you not told this committee yet who was disciplined in augusta, georgia, and columbia, south carolina, where nine veterans died because they were on a waiting list for colonoscopies? >> as you know, mr. chairman, in the last five years, the office of congressional legislative --
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>> that doesn't -- >> -- has responded to over 100 through thousand requests for information. >> ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. veterans died. >> over on the senate side, support for veterans affairs secretary eric shinseki took a big hit today with new calls for his departure. mark udall tweeted in light of the systematic issues at veterans affairs, secretary shinseki must step down. he was quickly followed by north carolina democrat kay hagan, john walsh of montana, john mccain who had been withholding final judgment on shinseki also weighed in. >> i really believe that general shinseki should review in his own mind whether he can adequately continue his duties given what has happened on his watch. i have not said this before but i think it is time for general shinseki to move on. >> that was in an interview with wolf blitzer earlier today.
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drew griffin has been all over this story from the very beginning. he is on capitol hill tonight. he joins us now. drew, some remarkable fireworks on capitol hill. >> yeah, the hearing is still going on right now with the house veteran as fairs committee trying to get the information that they have been after now for more than a year now. and the v.a. in there trying to explain away why documents have not been delivered. but this interim report is really the catalyst for a lot of the change and direction on capitol hill. it is really just an interim report meaning it is just the beginning. but it is already painting a picture on the v.a. hospital in phoenix out of control and a v.a. system nationwide that has been trying to hide just how long veterans have been waiting for care. it is a report that talks of schemes, recordkeeping deception, and 1700 veterans seeking appointments who were
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not on any wait list that would get them one. at its core is the explanation of just how veterans seeking care in this phoenix v.a. were hidden away, kept off the books in four separate schemes including tricking veterans into accepting appointments far into the future, deleting appointments more than 14 days old, actually manipulating data, simply changing dates to fit the v.a.'s goals without having doctors see veterans. allegations we first reported more than a month ago when recently retired v.a. doctor sam foote told cnn as many as 40 veterans died waiting for care at the phoenix v.a. >> and if you die waiting for your appointment you didn't exist? >> correct, they could just remove you from that list and there's no record that you ever came to the v.a. and presented for care. >> pretty convenient. >> pretty sad. >> the office of inspector general says it is still
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investigating if, in fact, any veteran died because of delayed care citing the need for medical records, autopsies and medical review. and in a damning conclusion, the v.a.'s office of inspector general calls the problem systemic throughout the v.a. while cautioning more investigation is needed. the embattled secretary of veterans affairs, eric shinseki, released a statement shortly after the report was released calling the findings, "reprehensible to me, to this department and the veterans" and that he is direct ly directing the investigation to bring them timely care. the response at the white house, the president found the findings extremely troubling and directing the v.a. to take immediate steps to reach out to veterans currently waiting to schedule appointments. >> back now with drew, also paul
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reikoff, so, drew, the data, the schemes, all of which you have been reporting on. you did an interview with a current doctor and the woman i think who ran, what the phoenix v.a. who kept saying blah, blah, blah, we had to wait until the ig report. she was finally put on leave. do we know what is going to happen to her now? >> well, if this report is confirmed, it is hard to believe that she has any kind of future in any kind of v.a. health system because, of course, it was under her command that all of these schemes took place. the report goes on to talk about mismanagement at the mid and senior levels in the v.a. including allegations of sexual harassment, bullying. so it is a very damning report specifically on this phoenix pv.a. hospital and how it was run, anderson, but also on the v.a. system in general. >> what about criminal behavior? i mean, are they looking at that? >> they're looking at it. they're finding allegations of
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it everywhere. they are determining what does and does not need to be forwarded to the department of justice. but the report clearly makes it seem that there is information going over to the department of justice that has allegations of criminal and civil misconduct in it. >> paul, you have been critical of the v.a. for a long time. a lot of mismanagement we talked about on this show. over the years. what is your assessment of this report? >> i wish we were wrong, but we were not. and this is what our members have been telling us for years. phoenix goes deeper and farther than we initially worried about and 42 sites under investigation. it is widespread, and we have been saying that for years. we have been having hearings and ig reports and gao reports. but more importantly our veterans have been crying out for help for years. they have been ignored and they've been dismissed and ultimately they've been betrayed and there probably is criminal behavior. it sounds like there is. people need to be sent to jail. if veterans died on their watch people need to go to jail and be held accountable. >> and veterans from iraq, ask,
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i mean, recent -- people who have just gotten out with severe ptsd and injuries from ieds waiting months and months for treatment. it is crazy. >> you come out after doing tour after tour overseas and you have to wait and get stuck on a fake waiting list with 1700 other veterans. i mean, it is clear they were cooking the books, it is clear that secretary shinseki didn't know how far it was going on. the president has to take action. he's got to take it on and clean house and hold people accountable. >> drew, as we mentioned the hearing on capitol hill tonight, i mean, it could shed some light on maybe what's going on. it is not just figuring out what happened and who should be held accountable. it is also a question of fixing this massive system within the federal bureaucracy. how does that even begin? where do you go from here? >> well, i mean, i think we'll leave it up to the political pundits to decide. but if you're going to turn around a company that is in trouble, if you're going to turn around an organization that is in trouble, if you're going to
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turn around a baseball team that is not winning, you change the coach. and i think that is where a lot of these politicians on capitol hill are looking. there needs to be a change on leadership and strong leadership that can be brought in. that can fight what appears to me and to all the sources i have talked to is this entrenched bureaucracy that has just turned this v.a. into something other than what it should be which is a highly efficient health delivery system for the men and women of this country who deserve it. >> it's also a centralized bureaucracy. and maybe that's part of the issue here, paul. i mean, we hear now from senators and congress people, republicans and democrats, shinseki has got to go. do you? does your organization take a stand on whether or not he should leave? >> we just sent this ig report to our members. we're a member-driven organization. we want to see where they stand, and make a thoughtful decision. our patience is running thin. every day there's any breaking story. you see the two combat veterans, the only two the senate, senator
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walsh and mccain have asked for shinseki to step down. eve a meeting with the secretary tomorrow. we want to hear how can we get to the bottom of this and how far does it go? we're monitoring it closely. >> he has been there for what? six years? >> he has had plenty of time to turn it around. he's had plenty of warnings and plenty of help. everything he has asked for before congress, he has gotten, and we continue to get stonewalls and delays and excuses. our veterans don't need delays or excuses. >> paul, good to have you on and drew griffin, as well. quick reminder, set your dvr to watch "360" whenever you want to. >> good to have you on, up next, more breaking news. game-changing if it all bears out. new analysis casting doubt on the four pings that led the searchers to believe they were closing in on the wreckage of flight 370. that and the tantalizing possibility that underwater microphones may have picked up the impact but now the navy saying those pings were not what anyone thought they were. i'll talk to our experts about what it all means and speak with the father and kid brother of
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the sonar went down and day after day no triple 7. well, now, we're beginning to get some idea of why. and it is surprising. details from renee marsh. >> reporter: it was the most promising lead and now we know it's false. new information the u.s. navy has concluded these four underwater signals were not from the missing plane's black boxes. >> from the u.s. navy standpoint, these sounds were most likely not from the black boxes. >> yes, i would have to say at this point based on all of the imagery data that we have collected and looked at, if that black box were nearby we would have picked it up. >> reporter: when detected in april it boosted confidence that the plane would be found. >> the four signals previously taken together consty statute the most promising lead. >> reporter: but now the navy says the sounds could have been from the search ship itself or other electronics.
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>> we may have very well been in the wrong place, but again at the end of 30 days there was nowhere else to search for. >> reporter: after searching the ocean floor, the bluefin 21's mission is over. the search continues in august when private companies take over. meantime, a new potential lead. cnn has learned a sound that could have been the plane crashing was detected by underwater microphones. >> our analysis is designed to do the exact nuclear of that sound. earthquakes and my understanding is that, yes, the university is looking at the data with a view of finding it there's any evidence of any impact from the malaysian aircraft. >> reporter: the test ban organization has a network of 11 hydrophone stations that pick up many sounds even ice breaking thousands of miles away in antarctica. but could it hear a plane hitting the water? >> it's possible but the circumstances that would allow it would have to be very particular. >> we're joined by renee marsh,
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aviation correspondent richard quest and on the phone david gallo, who co-led the search for air france flight 447. how big, richard, how big a blow is this. >> reporter: enormous. given the fact they searched for weeks, let's push it out to the future. they didn't just search it by accident. they searched it because it was the right location for the seventh ping, it was at the endurance of the aircraft. all the evidence pointed to this being the particular place where the plane went into the water. >> right, they said the pings were consistent with the black box. >> i have the quote here from the april the 9th press conference. it is very stable, distinct, clear signal, not of natural origin inquires tent with the description of a flight data recorder. it's where the engines might have flamed out. >> and you spent time at inmarsat. this changes the game. >> no, it doesn't. it doesn't change the handshakes.
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that is really important. everybody still has -- there is a lot of credibility that the plane went south. that has been checked many times. what this means is you have to go back. you have to be more true to the inmarsat handshakes and follow those more closely. and that, i believe, is what they're going to be doing in the future. driving back to where the handshakes led the plane. >> so, renee, now, if i understand this right, you're basically being told by underwater search by the bluefin after all the pictures it took during the search no black box was found so, therefore, the pings they thought they heard were not from the plane? >> flatly, yes, that is what we're told. they essentially said, look, we had bluefin down there. and we know that that bluefin completed its last mission today, searching some 300 miles of ocean floor. they say if the black boxes were there, they would have picked them up.
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so i said, well, what was this sound then that was detected on four different occasions? the answer is, they really don't know but they do not believe it was from the black boxes. they said perhaps it could have been from ocean shield, the search itself. >> how confident would you be that you can just rule out the presence of black boxes? >> yeah, that's a great question, anderson. and i haven't seen any of the data yet so it is tough to answer that. but if -- you know the phoenix is very capable >> that's the group that is doing this. >> yeah, that is the group doing this. so if they're saying they found no evidence, they found no evidence. to me this is still a tough call. if you hear -- if you're looking for someone lost in the woods and you hear their voice calling out to you, you say that is them but we didn't find them, so we're leaving. you know this, is a tough one to me. >> i know on your initial search for air france flight 447, you picked up a false ping. i mean that, kind of thing can
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throw a wrench into an operation like that. >> yes, there were many. yes, it sure does. there were many or several false alarms with air france 447 where we spent months of time looking for a haystack and a needle that was not there. >> and, richard, as you said moving forward they have to go back to the handshakes, the inmarsat data. and whatever it means, it means a larger search area and a lot more time. >> oh, no question about it. you're going not only to one handshake, you're working your way up to the next bit of the arc and then the next bit of the arc and then onwards. we have to put it into the bigger context, when they got there they were running against the clock. 30 days plus to try to hear something. they were doing it very fast. data was being analyzed, crunched. results were being -- they couldn't afford the luxury of saying, let's wait. now they can have that luxury. >> well, also i mean, david or richard, when you think about you make a mistake with a number
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of ping sounds, you know, it is coming from something else other than black boxes. the idea that they have one microphone that picked up some sound, that seems like a long shot to say the least. i mean, if the pings were a mistake the idea that they somehow off a microphone picked up this sound seems like a huge long shot, no? >> yes, those listening devices are typically on the sea floor. that is a long way from the impact on the surface. they could have heard the hull of the plane imploding but that would have been broken up at a long depth. >> we have a saying where i come from, you call a spade a shovel and -- >> where do you come from? >> let's not worry too much about that. we have this saying, you know and you've got to call it as it is. tonight, as a result of excellent reporting by renee and what the u.s. navy is saying, it
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is slightly ex-post facto, i do not blame them for what they have done in any shape or form because they were doing what they had to do at the time they had to do it. it is too simplistic to say they should not have done it. they had to be skeptical. they have nothing else to go on. >> were you imitating me there? >> no, but if the cap fits, wear it. but ultimately they have to go back. they have to find whether or not there's the confidence in the inmarsat data and then start looking again. >> it goes on, richard, thank you very much. david gallo, renee marsh, great reporting. thank you. as always find out more on the story on up next, santa barbara shooting victim, veronika weiss, being remembered as warm-hearted, an athlete, a math whiz. and tonight, donald sterling said he wasn't going to hire a bunch of lawyers. tonight, though, it seems like he's changed his tune. whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in.
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veronika weiss was 19 years old a freshmen tea university of california santa barbara. her life and five others were cut short an friday night. no one ever expects to be a target of a mass shooting and no one ever expects to lose a loved one in a horrific way. when the unthinkable happens we owe it to the victims to keep their story alive and tell their stories. her father and brother join us tonight. bob, i want to start with you. what do you want people to know about your daughter? >> veronika was a smart kid. she loved life, she played water polo with a passion, her teammates loved her. they put a tribute on for her the other night that several hundred people showed up at. veronika was just a smart,
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courageous little girl who grew up to be a young woman that everyone liked and wanted to be around. >> cooper, she was your older sister, what kind of a sister was she? >> she was really protective. she did a lot of things for my brother and i. like, you know, she would go christmas present shopping. she would pick out all of my birthday presents, you know, she would get food for us, she always watched over us, she gave us rides whenever we needed them. she was fantastic, she was a great older sister. >> does any of this seem real to you at this point, cooper? >> rts been crazy. it is hard to get off of my mind, it is all i really have been thinking about honestly. >> of course. >> honestly. >> bob, i understand that the night of the shooting you did not hear from veronika like you normally would. you went online and actually tracked her cell phone and realized that it was in the
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middle of the crime scene. what did you do then? >> well, we went and sat by the edge of the crime scene for about three or four hours. we checked in with the sheriffs from time to time but they were not in a position where they could say anything decisive. so we had to wait until probably about four hours until sunrise until they took us around the corner into a catholic church, sat us down with a couple of pastors and another sheriff and just said we can now confirm that veronika was lost. >> i was struck, bob, by something you said about veronika. you said that she was the kind of person who would have wanted to help this young man, this shooter. can you talk about that a little bit? >> you know, i don't know what the name for them in school today is. we used to call them nerds when i was in school. the bookish types that were more interested in being cool or popular. those are the kind of kids that
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veronika was attracted to. kids that kept to themself. somebody anti-social sometimes, she really reached out to those kind of people. and it is a shame, because he was targeting the exact opposite kind of person. she was a person who would reach out to someone. >> and they were drawn to her? >> yeah, they were drawn to her and veronika was drawn to them. like this kid came up to me at the water polo thing, the pool and he said, not very many people liked me at school except veronika was one of the few people who was kind to her. and that just speaks volumes the kind of person she was. she would reach out to people who were not getting the kind of love and affection they deserve. and that is why i feel like she would have liked this kid, you know? she would have tried to be nice to him. would have tried to hang out with him, you know. she would definitely not have rejected him. my sister was not that kind of person at all. >> you know, i spoke last night
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to christopher martinez's dad. and one of the things he said was that lots of people were offering their condolences. and he wanted to reach out to the parents of this young man who committed this horrific crime and in their grief, nobody would be offering them condolences. and, bob, i actually understand you feel for the parents of this young man, as well. >> of course, the parents are in a terrible situation. neither the boy, elliot, or his parents ever chose to have mental illness be a dominant part of their life. and they have been struggling for eliot's entire life, i'm sure with all kinds of challenges. we're not angry at them. >> cooper, i read something one of your aunts said. she said your sister was the only person who preferred the weather in seattle where she was born to the weather in california.
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is that true? >> yeah, she loved the rainy weather. i would get in the car with her when she would be giving me a ride somewhere before i started driving and before she went to college. and she would have the air-conditioning blasting, 60 degrees and i would tell her i'm freezing and she said, well, i love seattle weather. she loved the cold weather. she loved snowboarding and all that. >> and i think i have the prom picture of her, as well. is that you, cooper, in the picture, as well? >> yes. >> do you remember that day? >> i do remember that day and she looked beautiful. >> she does indeed. thank you for telling us your story, and i wish you peace in the days ahead. >> thank you. >> thanks. just ahead tonight, a new twist in the donald and shelly sterling saga. he is now vowing to fight for the sale of the clippers. what you wear to bed is your business.
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tonight, donald sterling is vowing to fight the sale of the los angeles clippers, even as his estranged wife shelly sherlach is moving to do just that. we hear she is talking to potential bidders and last week we were told that that donald was doing that, as well. and in a letter, it says that this letter confirms that donald t. sterling authorizes rochelle sterling to authorize the sale. now he says he will fight to the bloody end and that, quote, he disavows anything she is doing to sell the team. she meaning shelly sterling. that's not all. yesterday sterling blasted the nba and the 26-page document accusing the league of violating his constitutional rights, which is exactly opposite of what he told me when they banned him for life. >> people want me to hire a wall of lawyers and to go to war. i don't think that is the answer.
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the league is a good league, all honest people. and i think that whatever they decide that has to be done, i think i should work with them. i don't want to fight with my partners, you know. we all do what we have to do in life. >> you said -- >> i love them and i respect them, and whatever their decision is with regard to the disposition of my terrible words, then i have to do it. i think. i mean, i love my league, i love my partners, am i entitled to one mistake? it is a terrible mistake and i'll never do it again. the league won't stand for that. they won't stand for racism. i'm telling you. and i did it. so is it harsh? of course, it's harsh. but it is not like i don't deserve -- i thought they were going to do more. >> well, tonight donald sterling doesn't sound so resigned. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin
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and jeffrey toobin along with rachel nichols. so just last week, donald sterling sends a letter authorizing shelly to sell the clippers then last week his attorneys send a letter promising to fight to the bitter end. is this just saber rattling? is this sterling land? >> there are two possibilities. one is they're just all nuts. the other is there is a rationale that they could both work in concert. donald sterling is going to have to sell this team. there is no doubt that there is going to have to be a sale here, whether it is forced or voluntarily. he needs to get the biggest price he wants. if his wife can be the good cop and say i really want to sell the team, he can be the bad cop and say, no way i'm selling. so shelly can then drive up the price saying, you know, don is crazy, you have to give another $100 million. i think that is what is probably going on here. it is all about driving up the
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price. >> it's interesting, though and, jeff, in the documents, yesterday sterling's attorney said the reason they couldn't strip him from his team is because he was illegal recorded without his knowledge in california. is that a made-up argument? >> it is not a made-up argument, it's just a losing argument because whether that was legal or illegal is irrelevant in deciding whether a private association can have donald sterling as a member. >> sunny, i saw you shaking your head. do you disagree with it? >> yes, i do disagree. i mean i actually read through it. and i think he has several very strong arguments. he made about eight arguments and three are very valid. one was, listen, this was a private conversation and you can't even as a private association take my property away from me and violate my due process and violate my right of privacy. i actually think that is a very strong argument. the other argument that he makes is that this nba constitution
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that they're relying upon, this article 13-d basically constitutes the failure of an owner, not this kind of thing/scenario. and the third thing he says which i think is sort of a veiled message to the other owners, listen, this is arbitrary and capricious the way they're treating me based on my speech and gives 15 other examples of other things that people have done that are just as egregious. he said the magic owner donated $100,000 to the national organization of marriage. we know that organization advocates against marriage equality. now, he wasn't tossed. his team wasn't taken from him and i think as we all know, he only needs eight owners to agree with him. so all of sort of the arguments he made i really think are geared towards the owners. he is telling them there but for the grace of god go you. >> and the first round from potential owners is due either today or tomorrow or both. and what do we know about the people who are looking to buy the clippers?
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i mean, the groups are clear -- >> yeah. there is a lot of billionaires out there looking to buy the l.a. clippers. and that price is going to keep getting jacked up for a couple of reasons. first of all, there are television rates to be negotiated in the next couple of year, both local and national. that means whoever does own this team there's a lot of money that will be incoming into their pocket. >> which, by the way, donald sterling in my interview with him claimed that he could get up to a $3 billion offer from fox. he says it is sitting on my desk, they're offering a billion, i could get it up to 3 billion. just throwing that out there. >> anderson, donald sterling claimed all kind of things in your interview. there is no doubt there is a high asking price and, look, an l.a. franchise of the nba is not something you can just buy off the grocery shelves. the sterling family has owned the clippers for decades. this is a valuable commodity, this is a free market society and obviously there's a lot of very rich people who will bid
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against each other to drive up the price of this team. we've been talking about this letter and the thing you have to remember about the letter that donald sterling gave to shelly sort of giving her permission to solicit these bids, this is not a binding document in the eyes of the nba. there is one controlling owner, donald sterling. this is not something that donald sterling could give to shelly on a cocktail napkin or any other way on a document. he is the only one who can sign off on selling the team. >> jeff, you think by next week there will be a deal? >> absolutely. >> sunny, you don't think there will be a deal? >> no, jeff is totally wrong on it. >> rachel, what do you think? do you think there will be a deal by next week? >> i think the nba has been pretty straightforward. you can't be a bigot and be an nba owner, and barring a temporary injunction served up by a court they are going to make sure that donald sterling doesn't own this team. >> all right, june 3rd, my birthday, we'll see what happens. thanks, everybody. coming up, remembering maya
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one of the most lyrical voices in american history is now silent. the words of maya angelou live on and will undoubtedly influence generations to come as they have. she died at the age of 86. she was a poet, a civil rights activist, a singer, a dancer and san francisco's first streetcar driver when she was just 16 years old. i spoke to her on several occasions including the anniversary of the i have a dream speech. tonight we thought the best way to remember her was not with our words, but with hers. for you on this day, what does dr. king's dream mean to you today? what do you think the mark of significance is today? >> well, i think that at once i'm delighted that he had the dream.
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i'm delighted that if he awakened right now he could say, ahh, some of my dream has come to pass and see that there are african-american families in the white house. a man and a woman and their children and a grandmother. a black grandmother in the white house. my goodness. at the same time, i think he would be disappointed to hear we have not come any farther. and so my hope is that the dream, we can awaken from the dream and find that some of the elements of the dream has come to pass. >> it was very interesting to me in the wake of the trayvon martin case and the case on george zimmerman, there was a poll done about the discussions of race that were taking place in the wake of that case. and among many white americans the poll numbers said that a lot of white americans felt too much was being made about race. whereas among african-americans
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the majority felt this was a discussion that needed to continue and need to be had and not too much was being made about it. it is interesting to me how still to this day often white america and black america sees things through different lenses. >> absolutely, because we have not come to the decision which is so important. you can only come to this decision if you have courage. the decision is, i am a human being. nothing human can be alien to me. until we come to that, whites will really think i'm better than. well, they're not so bad but their color doesn't come off and that hair doesn't straighten out, and so we are not equals. until blacks and whites see each other as brother and sister, we will not have parity. it's very clear. >> and you don't think that has occurred? you don't believe there is true equality yet?
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>> oh, i know there isn't and you know there isn't, and everybody who hears you knows there isn't, and yet this is the only thing we have to have. the only thing is, mr. cooper, people have to develop courage. it is most important of all the virtues, because without courage you can't practice any of the virtues consistently. you can be anything irradically in front of the microphone, in front of the camera. but to be that thing in your heart, you have to have courage. and so i'm afraid that we are lacking in courage. we think -- we are afraid. and fear, i'm sorry to say, motivates most of the cruelties in our world. >> president obama, in his address today talks about opening a new front in the civil rights movement. one that also pulls in the struggle for equal rights for gay and lesbian americans, for women in this country, the rights of other minorities like immigrants. do you see that movement for equality as part of the civil
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rights movement, as a continuation of -- >> it is almost -- yes, sir, mr. cooper. if you think that i can have freedom but you can't because you're short or you're tall or you're gay or fat or thin or pretty or plain, but i can have it because -- not by anything i've earned, i just was born white, i was born pretty, then you're just stupid. the truth is no one of us can be free until everybody is free. and every one of us needs to say to our children, children, this is your world. come out. stand out. earn it. >> you asked questions in a "time" magazine article recently that you authored and questions i want to ask you. you wrote, can you imagine if we did not have this undergirded hate and racism and
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ageism, if we were not crippled by these idiocies, can you imagine what our country would be like? how can you answer those questions? can you imagine? >> yes, i'm brought to weep when i think what my country can be and will be when we develop enough courage to act courageously and with courtesy and respect for each other. just imagine what on earth -- we wouldn't have to say, we're the most powerful country in the world. we will be the most powerful country in the world, not because we have might, but because we have right. >> such a remarkable lady. my most recent conversation with maya angelou was about six months ago after nelson mandela had passed away. she spoke so beautifully about his legacy and was moved to break into a song called "on my journey mt. zion."
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listen. is the >> there is an old spiritual old gospel song, which is i'm on my journey now, mt. zion. on my journey now, mt. zion and i wouldn't take nothing. mt. zion ♪ from my journey now, mt. zion. >> from my journey now, mt. cyin'. maya angelou. >> there is a lot more happening tonight. susan hendricks joins us with a "360 bulletin." anderson, president obama announced his plan for the remainder of his term while addressing graduate cadets at west point. the president said a strong military and the use of diplomacy is the right balance. >> u.s. military action cannot be the only or even primary component of our leadership in every instance. just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail. meanwhile, a court hearing in mexico today for a u.s. marine in prison for two months was quickly suspended until next week.
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sergeant andrew tamorisi, an afghanistan war veteran crossed the border with three personal firearms purchased legally in the u.s. but he is facing a weapons charge in mexico. and apple will spend $3 billion to acquire beats, the music streaming service and its related electronics company. one of the big winners in the deal is co-founder dr. dre, who by some estimates owns 0% to 25% of beats. he is calling himself the first billionaire in hip-hop. good for him, anderson. >> susan, thanks very much. >> well, while dr. dre is knocking it out of the park, 50 cent is taking some heat for what might be one of the worst pitches on the baseball field "theo ridiculist" is coming up next. i missed you, too.ou. hi buddy.
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sfa time now for "the ridiculist," and tonight there is a new national pasttime, namely, watching 50 cent, is it fitty cent or 00 cent -- i'm going to go with 50 cent threw out the first pitch at a game. now i'm no expert, but i think there is an outside chance and i stress the word outside that the candy shop of which 50 was fond of taking everyone was nowhere near the bull pen. all i'm saying is if the east coast/west coast is settled on a baseball field, perhaps 50 cent should be the scorekeeper or something, anything but the pitcher. or maybe he can get some tips from mariah carey. okay, sure, that was in the dirt
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but it was straight down the middle. not exactly a perfect pitch but she did it in heels. not that one needs cleats or full length human arms. if there is a t-rex throwing out the first pitch at a red birds/memphis game, but if you really want to wow them with a first pitch you need the agility of a gymnast. check this out from south korea. gets fairly close to the strike zone. watch this. i don't even know how she did that. gymnasts have an unfair advantage with all that innate athleticism. gold medalist shawn johnson for instance, lady, throwing out the first pitch at an iowa cubs game, talk about floor expressway there. i think these teams should forget the ceremonial first pitch stuff and let will ferrell pitch the first. whatever is lost on the score board will be more than gained in entertainment value if you ask me. or how about going full naked gun for a royal start to the season? >> we're about ready for the
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first pitch ceremony with the queen of england ready to toss out the first ball. >> how about that queen, ladies and gentlemen? >> now, listen, i don't want to give the impression that i could have done any better than 50 cent, i don't want to get into a beef with mr. 50 cent or the t-rex, for instance. anyone who watches this program knows that i am really more of a basketball guy. i know nothing about basketball, all i know about is politics. okay, that was really pathetic. oh. that is not even close. $5 million for an authentic bracket from the first ncaa tournament? is that a lot for an authentic bracket. i don't know what an authentic bracket is. i don't know who the hoop is or the ball is or -- i'm confused by the analogy, but i'll let it go because i don't know anything about sports.
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take heart, 50 cent, you have found one of the places in the world where we actually prefer a belly itcher than a pitcher. i don't know what that is a reference to, it is a song? belly itcher, not pitcher? [ speaking in a foreign language ] ♪ ♪