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guinea and paris. there are no other direct flights between the three western african countries where ebola is raging and france. the passengers onboard that flight are given a questionnaire and asked to fill out their names, addresses and where they can be found and when they deplane, their temperatures are checked with a laser thermometer so there's no physical contact. if anyone shows symptoms, red cross teams and civil protection teams are standing by. we continue on hour number two. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. in this desperate push to stop ebola in its tracks, america has a new man in charge. his name ron klain. he has an impressive resume but i need to point out none of it has a thing to do with ebola or for that matter any type of healthcare and that does have some people wondering why him. let me bring you some specifics.
klain began in law. he was a clerk for supreme court justice byron white. he served as chief of staff to vice president joe biden and also vice president al gore. he left the white house in 2011 and became president of case holdings. the holding company for former aol chairman steve case. let's talk about the politics of ebola. ryan lizzo, washington correspondent at the new yorker, and michael is here. let me begin with you, ryan. obviously mr. klain is impressive on paper. i spoke with someone who worked with him under gore and says he will be fantastic for the job. i go back to this point he has nothing medical. nothing healthcare on his resume. does that matter? >> i think that what we have here is two different definitions of what this job should be. a lot of us in the media have --
and i think a lot of republicans including john mccain who first voiced this idea, thought this would be some other kind of job. the actual job that obama as created here is the ebola response coordinator. it's a bureaucratic coordination job inside the white house. this is not the surgeon general. he does not have a long record of being a public spokesperson. he's an inside campaign, inside administration operative. so it's not the job a lot of people thought it would be. it's not a public job. it's a bureaucratic coordination job and that's what the white house has decided they needed. >> bureaucratic coordinator. is that what they need? what does the word czar really mean? >> i don't think we need a medical doctor. we need a manager. what you need if you had said to
me design the job description of that which needs to be fulfilled, i would say you need someone totally wired in that bureaucracy at a high level who can rattle the cage and get them to work well together. only time will tell if he's the right person based on that job. i think it meets the need as things stand now. the other thing you need is you need someone that obama trusts. you need someone that if he needs to walk into the oval office and tell the president, hey, this person at hhs isn't doing the right thing or i need your help to push some other part of the bureaucracy, the president -- >> needs to listen and respect that person. >> if you bring in an outsider where the president doesn't know and there's a long history of that coming in and not really being able to operate because they don't know the president or he doesn't trust that person. i think that was another criteria for the job. >> let me move away from czarness of this conversation and talk about congress in
washington. your tweet this morning we saw. congress rushed back to score little points referring to grilling yesterday on the hill, to score political points airing potential travel ban regarding ebola but wasn't willing to hold hearings and take war vote on isis. you are 100% correct. >> thank you. thanks for following me on twitter as well. i couldn't help but watch yesterday and say this is what i wanted them to do relative to isis. instead they quickly adjourned and went home to campaign for re-election. yesterday for politicians is like shooting fish in a barrel. they brought in bureaucrats. they beat them up. >> they beat them up. >> impose a travel plan. that's a great red meat talking point kind of thing. where was this when it was isis? they never gave us an up or down vote he could hold them accountable for in two weeks on election day. it had the smell of political calculus to me. >> the other question on
politics of ebola is we know the president canceled campaign stops earlier this week to talk to cabinet agencies to the government response to ebola. i'm wonder if he were to have gone, would the democrats have wanted him there helping them stomp given the response, lackluster of this virus? >> i think -- that's right. i think he had plenty of political reasons not to travel. he's not popular in many of the close senate races. he's out there raising money sending e-mails to the base but he's not really stomping for the candidates in the close red state or purple state elections. frankly, you know, knowing obama, i am sure he was just as happy to stay in washington and not have to do some more political travel. it was a convenient excuse all around but more seriously, there are optics here. rick perry got his trip abroad short because he's the governor
of texas and people are starting to complain about him being out of the country and i think the more the obama is out there doing political campaigning and not in washington dealing with this crisis, the more his opponents have a chance to attack him for that. >> ryan lizza, i follow you on twitter too. so nice to see you in person. make sure you watch this guy's show 9:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn. thank you very much. the cdc want to talk to another plane load of people who boarded that flight along with this nurse, amber vinson, before she was diagnosed with ebola. the cdc says vinson might have been showing symptoms earlier than initially thought. perhaps as early as friday when she jumped on that plane from dallas to cleveland. that was frontier airlines flight 1142 but her uncle tells cnn she was fine during that trip. >> amber has directly told me
that she felt fine. she felt well until tuesday morning. tuesday morning she woke up and felt that she should take herself in. she checked her temperature. it was actually below the threshold. she was 100.3. >> that was her uncle. the first american nurse diagnosed with ebola is listed in fair condition at the national institutes of health. nina pham is her name. she was moved to bethesda, maryland, from the hospital in dallas where she got the virus caring for the liberian man. >> this is the first time we saw her being treated by a medical professional head to toe suits. she's definitely emotional but she's upbeat as well.
>> cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is outside of that dallas, texas presbyterian hospital where the nurses fell sick with ebola. she has more on nina pham's condition. >> doctors at nih say that nina pham is in fair condition and is expected to get better. she's sitting up. she's eating. she's interacting with staff. now, she is very fatigued which is expected with an ebola patient. the virus really knocks you out. they also noted that nina pham is not paying for her care. this is all for free. the nih says that 20 nurses per week will be caring for nina pham. we don't know much about the condition of amber vinson, the second nurse that contracted ebola. she's being taken care of at emory university. we do know that several contacts of hers are being traced and an
official says while visiting family in ohio preparing for her wedding, that she came in contact with 12 people and they're concerned that vinson was sick and while she was in cleveland, she was feeling achy and she was feeling fatigues and so they are tracing these 12 contacts to make sure that they too don't become ill. luckily so far no one has. now, in addition, passengers on flights who are being told to call the cdc. those are folks that flew from dallas to cleveland on october 10th with vinson and folks that flew in the reverse direction and they are told to call 1-800-cdc-info to talk to public health officials. on top of that, frontier airlines e-mailed more than 700 passengers who were on the planes that vinson was on that same day. they say that there are no concerns about their safety but frontier understands that passengers may have questions so they are encouraging passengers
if they have questions to contact cdc or other health authorities. brooke? >> got it. elizabeth cohen in dallas, thank you. just ahead, how does the cdc go about tracking all of the different passengers and retracing their steps? coming up, we'll talk to someone who did just that. he is a disease detective. plus, the second nurse visited a bridal shop in ohio when she was in cleveland and cnn has tracked down the owner who explained to us what these health officials told her and asked her to do. >> if this is as serious as it is, why is this being handled in a nonserious way? when i had my first migraine, i was lucky.
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you have federal, state health officials trying to find hundreds of passengers who either flew with amber vinson or took another flight but used that same plane. they are trying to track these people down. here's what cnn knows. one of those passengers is a u.s. marine based in ft. worth. he was on vinson's return trip from cleveland to dallas and he started to self-monitor once he found out he shared a flight with the 29-year-old nurse and thus far he has no symptoms. just think about this task. this task of tracking down all of those passengers on this plane up to possibly 800 people. this is according to officials. where do authorities begin once passengers are found? what next? let me bring in a former disease detective with the cdc. doc, welcome. >> hi, brooke. >> you have this the flight she was on. you have the plane that she was on that was used a few tim
before they took it out of service. how do you find all of these people? >> it's really hard work. let me tell you that. in the idea of public health contract tracing is called shoe leather because it's boots on the ground work. you can wear a hole in the bottom of your shoe as you trace and retrace the steps taken by an infectious person. you are literally trying to track down where did they go while they had symptoms? while they were infectious and who did they have contact with? and so the idea now that this nurse may have had symptoms earlier than we initially believed means those disease detectives have work cut out and they have to cast that net even wider. >> once they find these people, what do they do with them? >> unfortunately they call people with news people don't want to haear. you want to build trust. you don't want to scare people. give them the facts and let them know in this instance ebola is a very scary disease but it's not
as infectious as some other diseases so calling people saying you were on the plane but your low risk. stay in touch. let me know if you have concerns or symptoms. >> there are different branches of the story. you have the plane she was on, both ways, dallas-cleveland, cleveland-dallas and then she went to cleveland and this bridal store and worries she may have exposed some people in ohio when she went in to be fitted for a wedding dress. we tracked down the shop owner who had to retrace this nurse's visit to the bridal shop. watch this. >> she was probably here probably about three hours maybe and we measured her party. we showed her color charts. again, everything went well and i had no idea that anything was wrong with her. >> explain to me why they would be retracing steps and how that would help investigators.
>> just in case the nurse had symptoms while in that bridal shop, for example, the cdc disease detectives would want to know who else was in that store at that moment and what kind of contact was there? was she there for a long time? casual contact or was there skin to skin contact? it's really pinning down those details about who could potentially be exposed and trying to reassure them as well. >> my goodness. lots of shoe leather being used to quote you. doctor, thank you for joining me from dallas. i really appreciate it here. coming up next, you have these growing calls. we heard this from testimony on capitol hill yesterday. the echo louder for this travel ban for people trying to get into the united states from some west african countries. president obama saying he didn't have a "philosophical objection" to that. would it even work? what about americans trying to leave africa to get back home? we'll discuss that plausibility and isis may soon have access to a major weapon on the
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cnn just learned that iraqi military officers who have defected are now training isis militants to fly. this is all coming to us from a london based monitoring group who says isis is using these three syrian warplanes that captured from this base outside of aleppo. this raises a lot of questions and possibility this could begin using more planes like the ones you are looking at here captured at a nearby base. let me go to barbara walsh and nick paton walsh. nick, what do you know about these allegations of iraqi detectors teaching isis how to fly stolen planes? >> it is limited to these london based opposition activists who are reliable much of the time when it comes to news from syria's civil war. they say that residents of a base to the east of aleppo have seen flying at low altitude
planes that isis is said to control. they suggest that residents say iraqi defected military pilots have been teaching isis militants how to fly them. it's still a whole world away from isis having an effective air force that could launch attacks. three planes, they have to maintain them, fuel, munitions, all sorts of issues they'll face getting them in the air and then there's the other issue of the u.s. air force who will potentially meet them in the skies and not consider them much of a threat. it tells you more about ambitions that isis have. they want to get their hands on the best weapons and consider them to be a normal national army and they have ex-iraqi military personnel in their ranks. >> barbara, we know this u.s. centcom commander general lloyd austin made some interesting revelations today about what's happening in that syrian turkish border city of kobani. what do we know?
>> a place that nick has been watching for days if not weeks on the front line there. here at the pentagon the assessment of kobani and why we are suddenly seeing so many u.s. air strikes was fascinating. when general austin turned up into the press room here today, he talked about the fact that they are seeing isis in recent days make a push to take kobani and warplanes were sent after them. have a listen to what he had to say. >> the enemy made a decision to make kobani his main effort. what you have seen him do in the last several days is continue to pour manpower into that effort. it's highly possible that kobani may fall. but again, i think the things that we have done here in the last several days are encouraging. we see the kurds actually fight to regain territory that had been lost previously. >> combine that kurdish fighting
combined with really stepped up coalition air strikes around kobani and cnn has learned there's another factor in play here. in the last several days, kurds, syrian kurds on the ground in and around kobani have been able to transmit intelligence through their own contacts to u.s. military personnel in iraq doing the targeting and that's one of the things that is giving the u.s. much more precise targeting in kobani. one of the things that's helping buy the kurds time up there. >> good. barbara starr, thank you. coming up next, should flights from west african countries not be allowed into the united states? there are increasing calls, more aggressive pushes but experts say it will make it all worse. we'll hear both sides. plus, cnn is now learning this is not the first headache for this dallas hospital at the center of this ebola firestorm now. hear about the dark spots in this hospital's history. i'm only in my 60's.
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guinea, sierra leone and liberia. the latest to add to this chorus to add to this call is a man who is at the center of this ebola infection in america, rick perry. >> air travel is in fact how this disease crosses borders. it is certainly how to got to texas in the first place. based on recent and ongoing developments, i believe it is the right policy to ban air travel from countries that have been hit hardest by the ebola outbreak. >> joining me now, aviation correspondent richard qwest writing notes on this. we were talking in the commercial break. people hearing dr. frieden, chief of cdc yesterday on capitol hill, being hammered by numbers of congress over this whole thing and notion why isn't the united states keeping these planes out of the united states. your point is you can't keep planes out. >> first of all, we're not talking about planes direct from west africa to the united
states. >> because? >> because there aren't any. those flights don't exist. let's have a moment of reality on that point. what you're talking about are passengers who have started in those countries, have gone to european transit hubs and then gone onto the united states. exactly the way the late mr. duncan arrived in the u.s. so you're talking about a full scale full throttle travel ban on people traveling from those countries to the united states. >> how would this potential ban on these people with flights originating from these three countries in west africa work? >> would you have to do it by advance passenger information they have in the record. do they know where you started your journey? secondly, passports. is it from a sierra leone, guinea or liberia. thirdly, you ask them questions at the border. where did you start your journey. that's the weak point because you can lie. there's no point in setting up
an infrastructure that gives a false sense of security and that's the key here. it's not whether it works or whether it doesn't. it's weathhether it creates a f sense the security. >> isn't about the psychological? >> you would hope you're beyond it's about the psychological. policy makers have to do policies that work and not policies to make people feel better. that may not be pleasant to say but that's the thing -- >> say it again. >> that's the job of a policy maker. put a policy that works and not one that just looks good but that the expert -- this isn't me saying this. this is the experts who say do this and it will look good and make lots of noise but it won't give you the security that you think it's giving you. >> thank you. richard qwest, sit tight. i want to talk about this hospital here as well. if reputation of this dallas hospital at the center of this ebola crisis in the u.s. wasn't already on thin ice, it got worse now. turns out the hospital has lost
a portion of its federal funding before. why? patient readmissions. the late thomas eric duncan was the first person diagnosed with ebola in the u.s. he went to that hospital initially. he went home and he came back sick with the same thing. readmission. let me bring in christina. what's the issue with readmissions at in the hospital? >> it's a huge issue for a lot of hospitals, which is why the centers for medicare and medicaid tried to crackdown on readmissions by fining hospitals and texas presbyterian had been fined three years in a row. not unusual. these fines are relatively small, which is why probably the program isn't as perhaps effective as it should be. not a problem from a financial stand-point. what is a problem from a financial standpoint is
passengers are too scared to go there. the hospital had to shut down its emergency room. a significant source of revenue. >> because of this? >> because of this. there are other areas in the hospital that are seeing reductions and we're hearing that the hospital has lost two-thirds of its patient capacity. >> that's what elizabeth cohen has been reporting and also quoting the cdc official spending two weeks at the hospital using the word scared. people are scared to go to the hospital. >> indeed they are. the long-term question is does this hospital eventually have to shut down because of the financial hit it's taking? and what is important to point out is that it is actually one part of a much larger system called texas health resources. so this dallas hospital that was treated the ebola patient accounts for about 17% of the overall revenue for that parent company. significant but the point here is that if that hospital worse case scenario had to shut down, it wouldn't take down the entire
parent company, the one that owns the dallas property. >> i come back to this point, this could have been a hospital anywhere other than these specialty hospitals and it happened in dallas and now look at what's happened at the hospital. >> it was a hospital in dallas. it was a frontier plane. it's a carnival cruise ship. that's what happens in these situations when the unexpected suddenly arrives on your doorstep. >> and there are significant financial outcomes as a result of this. >> thank you. coming up here, hear what nfl players are being told about ebola. yes. this is apparently affecting sports ahead of the dallas cowboys game this weekend. and more on our breaking news. a deal has just been reached to release a lot of those kidnapped school girls in africa taken by boko haram. we have that for you coming up next.
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breaking news. a lot of you have been paying close attention to this story about the girls in nigeria. there's been a break in the case. more than 200 school girls snatched last april by the terrorist group boko haram could soon be set free. a spokesperson for nigeria's president says boko haram has agreed to release the girls. we go live to johannesburg, south africa. what's happened? >> reporter: hi, brooke. apparently negotiations have been going on between the nigerian government and boko haram according to nigerian government officials they agreed on a cease-fire in the northeast where this insurgency is raging. and with a view to having these girls set free and brought back
home. they say that there will be further negotiations going on in chad this week. the question is what are they negotiating? what are they providing boko haram? is it a prisoner exchange? very possible because the nigerian government has taken prisoner many senior boko haram operatives and family members who boko haram clearly wants back. that could be what is in negotiation. remember we haven't heard a word from boko haram's leadership and before the girls were kidnapped there had been twice talk by the nigerian government of a cease-fire with boko haram and both times the then leader of boko haram turned around saying it means nothing. brooke? >> that's the first thought i had. do we believe them with these false alarms in the past? let's take them at their word. if this happens, is there any kind of time line? when might these young women be
released? >> reporter: we heard from one official it would happen in batches. once they had further talks this week in chad, then a batch was the word he used of the girls would be released at some point thereafter and you can expect it to trickle on. the details are incredibly vague. brooke? >> thank you so much. next, we take you back to dallas. the ebola cases there have certainly a number of people taking precautions including even nfl players. hear what the league is telling these guys who are traveling to texas this weekend about their safety and how some of them are reacting to this. plus, we are learning more about what amber vinson did when she traveled up to cleveland, ohio. she's the second dallas nurse who contracted ebola. she went shopping for her wedding dress and cnn found the woman who owns the shop. you'll hear why she's questioning what the cdc told her to do. that's next. ♪
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here's what we learned. we know that amber vinson traveled to cleveland, ohio, right before she was diagnosed. we're now learning she could have been exposing members of ohio's summit county community because when she went to cleveland, she spent a couple hours in this bridal shop trying on wedding gowns. here's susan candiotti. >> reporter: a typical busy saturday for this bridal shop owner. her shop crowded with customers
including amber vinson watching her bridesmaids getting fitted for a may wedding. the youngest only ten. >> she was probably here about three hours maybe. we measured her party. we showed her color charts. again, everything went well and i had no idea that anything was wrong with her. >> vinson didn't look sick taat all. at the bridal she aal shop it w another day until news broke that her customer was sick with ebola after caring for a victim in dallas. what did you think? >> i was surprised it came this close to home. i feel like my staff was more concerned. >> reporter: vinson talked about being a nurse but there was no mention of her work with an ebola patient. do you think she should have? >> i could see why she didn't.
very intelligent lady. we had great conversation. nice bridal party. her friends were nice. it's kind of like you wonder how did you not think this through. >> reporter: the health department was called right away. she said they were understanding but didn't sound ready to give her advice she needed. she is the one that suggested closing her store as a precaution. what kind of sign do i put on my door? how do i let customers know that i'm closing until we get more information? >> reporter: what did they say? >> well, okay. sure. that would be a good idea. >> reporter: officials asked her and a co-worker to quarantine themselves. stay home. it was okay to come in this day to see a few customers and let in two health department workers. >> i feel like they should have instantly given us, okay, your staff needs to go home. everybody under quarantine. come up with something right
away. instead they made us feel like, okay, we'll take your names down and go business as usual. >> reporter: a few hours later, the health department called again and promised to bring her a thermometer for taking her temperature twice a day for 21 days. >> i'm just confused on if this is as serious as it is, why is this being handled in a nonserious way to me? >> reporter: back at vinson's parents home, police stand watch. the home taped off for their privacy. neighbors taking it all in. >> i can't imagine. my heart goes out to them. i can't get my mind wrapped around this. they're right there. i can't even offer them a bowl of soup. >> reporter: susan candiotti, cnn, akron, ohio. the nfl is also making sure
their teams have the facts when it comes to ebola. the new york giants got an outline ahead of their trip to texas to play the dallas cowboys this weekend. let me bring in rachel nichols. so, we know that the doctors were briefed. then they briefed the players. what was said? >> they actually sent the players an e-mail to have facts in writing. it was an outline here are facts about ebola. here are how you get it. here are myths and how you can contract it and what to do if you do come into contact with someone who has been exposed. now, the nfl basically got advice from two infectious disease specialists at duke university who said players don't need to be screened and go through extensive process but players should know if they come into contact with someone with ebola, they need to alert their team trainer, which is common sense. there is a lot of questions. eli manning, you can take a look at what he had to say. he said i'm not worried about
myself or the team with what we're doing and where we're staying. i think these guys fly a private charter. they're not going to be on a plane with anyone. they have meetings all night and go to the stadium and play. it can't be contracted through the air. they're going to be fine. but it's interesting that players do travel and have their wives, children, families travel separately and come meet them when they go on a trip like this. and a couple of the giants players have said, we told our families to stay ohm on this trip. >> interesting. i'm also wondering as you point out how it's contracted and how it's not and some of the fears about this whole thing, the notion that they're briefed. the real danger for these players -- >> let's not forget, too, there's a team that plays in dallas it's not just the giants visiting dallas. the dallas cowboys play in dallas. >> right. >> all season long. and jason garrett, the head coach there was asked, have you talked to your team about it? he said he hadn't. but the team trainers did.
the athletic trainers and some of the team doctors, medical staff, did have a verbal briefing with the team at the beginning of this week to say, here's what you do? and make sure that line of communication is over. staph infections have been a much bigger concern in the nfl. >> reality check. >> some players nearly lose their legs in the last couple of years. serious things go through locker rooms. it's something smart to know about. it's a topic of conversation and they want players to be smart and don't want them to panic unnecessarily. no need for that. >> awareness and precaution, precaution, precaution. rachel nichols "unguarded" 10:30 a.m. you have interviews with lebron james about his return to cleveland and serena williams. >> good show. >> thank you very much. >> see you tonight. coming up next, this might have happened to you, your credit card getting declined. apparently it's happened to president obama. yep.
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signed an order that protects people from identity theft. >> i should mention, by the way, that i went to a restaurant up in new york when i was there during the u.n. general assembly, and my credit card was rejected. turns out, i don't use it enough they were concerned about fraud going on. fortunately michelle had hers. i was trying to explain to the waitress, i really think i'll be paying my bill. >> that's kind of funny. flotus to the rescue. if you're curious the context of that, it happened when the president was at the united nations general assembly last month. trying to throw down some plastic for dinner. time to shine the spotlight on the cnn heroes 2014. we need you to vote for the one
that inspires you the most. this week's honoree has made it his mission to rally devoted soccer fans to make a difference in cities hosting the world cup. here is john byrnes. >> the atmosphere at the world cup is like nothing else. it's electric. you get that rainbow, kaleidoscope of all the different nations that come together. football is the only worldwide sport, really. in 2004, i saw all the fans around me. it was like an army. some of the children that love football the most live in very poor areas. and i started asking myself, what could i do if we could mobilize some of these people to do some good? so we bring people to the world
cup, they get to watch games. but for a huge chunk of that time, we find charities who work with children and find, how can we help you? >> to do this for us, for the children, this is the world cup spirit. >> in brazil, we have about 3 million volunteers here from 12 countries. within a couple of days, they're all part of the team and working really hard. when we invest in a place, it's for the long term. lots of guys come and get it in their blood. that's what we're about. >> this is my second go. this time, my son's come with me. bonding and building things together. >> you're tired out every morning. but look how far we've come in a week. football's always had the ability to break down barriers. we're trying to harness the passion of the football fans to make a difference. >> again, go to cnnheroes.com to vote. remember, you decide.
cnnheroes.com, online or on your phone or ipad to vote for the most inspirational hero. before we go, let's take a quick check of the numbers on the big board. rebounding today, in the green. up 210 points here as we are just shy of that closing bell. and you can really see sort of the trajectory of the stocks slump. and i wanted to again thank you halle berry and michael kors for hangingo out with me this week. let me remind you of michael kors promising anyone who goes into one of his stores and buys one of these shirts and takes what he's calling a selfless selfie, he will donate 100 meals to people who are hungry all around the world. they have been these amazing ambassadors helping feed people who need it. halle told me about her trip to
nicaragua back in july. her daughter came home and was so moved by it she came home and made 100 bucks with a lemonade stand. i'm brooke baldwin. i'm colleague jake tapper is next. "the lead" starts right now. the world health organization says it missed the writing on the wall with ebola. but now that the virus is hopping across the globe, is it too late to stop it? i'm jake tapper at the national institutes of health and this is "the lead." the national lead, the nightmare virus tearing travel apart at the seams. ebola grounding planes, trains, automobiles, even a ship. plus, the man who lost the fight over all those hangs chads, tapped to win the war against ebola. and the