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horse. we're so glad he's all right. >> reporter: stormy, now known for snoring up a storm. jeanne moos, cnn. >> he says "get my good side." >> happy ending! thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. a new ebola success story. at this hour, a nurse who got ebola is set to leave the hospital. is this a sign that the u.s. now has the upper hand? a river of lava flowing just yards from people's homes in hawaii, threatening to destroy their entire town. >> reporter: charles barkley in the middle of a new controversy. a discussion about whether an nfl quarterback is black enough.
i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. we begin with the day of today being the first day the rest of nurse amber vinson's ebola-free life, you could say. the second texas nurse to get the virus after treating the first patient in the u.s. to die from the disease is about to leave emory university hospital in atlanta. she and her colleague, nina pham, who is also now out of the hospital, have been the only people to get the disease within the united states. this just leaves one confirmed ebola patient currently being treated in the u.s. dr. craig spencer here in new york city. >> then there is kaci hickox. she does not have ebola but she is the nurse who spent a weekend inside an isolation tent at a new jersey hospital. she is free for from her tent and she is now back home in maine where she will be monitored. hickox had treated ebola patients in sierra leone and, as i said, so far she's tested negative for the disease and has had no fever except from one
reading, the preliminary forehead reading at the airport. she has been a poster child for the fine line that government officials have to draw between public safety and the civil rights of health care workers. we spoke to her lawyer earlier. >> if it turns out that her temperature is normal, she has no symptoms of the disease, there's no reason for her to be restricted. if there are symptoms, then you deal with it differently. i'm not opposed to the fact that the government has the power to use quarantine, they just have to do it correctly and so far we've bungled it. >> that lawyer also said that they would decide whether, after he spoke with his client, they're going to continue to pursue legal avenues. but let's turn now to the plight of another of her peers, not necessarily her colleague but works in the same field. nick valencia is at emory university in atlanta and the hospital there, pardon me, and we know that amber vinson, very exciting morning for her, she is set to be discharged from that hospital. nick, do we have an idea about
what time she'll be released from the hospital? >> good morning, michaela. amber vinson expected to make her first public comments since being diagnosed free of the ebola virus by health officials at about 1:00 p.m. eastern. she got here to emory university from her home hospital, texas presbyterian, after staffing issues there. also a very strong track record at the communicable disease unit where she was being treated by emory doctors. they've already had four patients, four of them have been treated successfully and discharge and and as you mentioned, amber vinson one of two dallas nurses to have contracted the virus while treating thomas eric duncan who subsequently died from his illness. health officials are saying both pham and vinson are free from the ebola virus. >> it's remarkable at emory, nick, a 100% success rate at emory dealing with ebola patients. amber vinson just the latest one to leave there successfully, healed from the virus do we expect to hear from her today? >> she will make some comments.
we don't know if she'll take questions. also expected to talk is dr. bruce ribnor. and he's been preparing for this for the last 12 years. it was back in 2002 that the cdc approached emory hospital about creating this isolation unit. it was intended to be a place where cdc workers who may have been exposed to infectious diseases abroad where they can come back and be in a secure zone. now health unit, the serious communicable disease unit being used to treat these ebola patients so dr. bruce ribnor will talk about how there were over 120 people who played a part in treating these four ebola patients. very good news and a great start to the morning for amber vinson now being clear of the ebola virus. >> a scene that's becoming somewhat familiar to us. we've seen dr. brantly and nancy writebol. dr. ribnor has become a familiar face to us amber vinson probably
wants her first home cooked meal. nick valencia, thank you so much. i'm sure it will be great to hear from that young woman and the trial she's faced. my goodness, life and death. meanwhile, the cdc has new ebola guidelines it hopes will bring fairness and common sense into the equation. the new measures are based on risk, someone who has come in direct contact with an infected person's bodily fluids is considered high risk and needs daily monitoring and obviously must stay out of public places. now, a person who is at some risk, had contact with an infected person but wore protective gear. that person must be monitored and use common sense. now low risk is someone who's only had minimal contact with abebola patient. they'll need to be monitored but not restricted. then there's no risk, needs no monitoring. that's for people who had no contact with an infected person. >> at no risk they're including
people who did have contact with someone with ebola but it was before they were systematic. >> right. right. >> do not forget, at least half a dozen states now have their own rules that go beyond the cdc recommendations. new jersey has the 21-day quarantine which we heard kaci hickox lawyer complain about. this has been called an extreme measure by some but governor chris christie says get used to it. >> when there are direct contact with people actively with the ebola virus asking them to quarantine at home for 21 days unless they're systematic i don't think is draconian. i think dr. fauci is responding, unfortunately, as are many people from the cdc, in a really hyperbolic way because they've been wrong before. and now they're incrementally taking steps towards the policy that we put in effect in new jersey and now six other states have put in effect. and where the joint chiefs of staff have put in effect. we're all wrong and they're right, matt?
we're trying to be careful here. this is common sense. and the american public believes it is common sense and we're not moving an inch. our policy hasn't changed and our policy will not change. >> for all the talk of ebola fears and panic in the united states, according to our new poll, looks like most americans think the government can prevent an ebola crisis in the united states. more than 70% according to the new cnn orc poll. we will speak to our experts about this among other things including the remarkable success rate in treating ebola patients here in the united states. >> and cnn will be watching that. amber vinson speaking from emory university hospital along with the team of physicians and nurses that cared for her. and with these two americans cured from ebola, a number of potential cases turning up negative. does this mean we have a good handle on this deadly disease? at least here state snide. plus, political controversy. you will not believe the word uttered by this democratic
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not even a handful, there's many hundreds lining the street, but we're told thousands of people are lining the streets of hamilton to pay their respects to this fallen hero in his hometown of hamilton. we know regimental funeral service. a private service will be held at noon for only family and invited guests. >> corporal cirillo really has become a rallying point for the entire nation in canada and this beautiful service that we're looking at a minute ago as it rolls through his hometown of hamilton, people there are remembering him. he was a man who had a son who just entered kindergarten, known as a great father. he was also a guy who liked to rescue animals, including a dog he just picked up a few months ago. he saved them. known as a very, very, very kind person. shot dead while serving as an honor guard at the national war memorial. of course the man who shot him was later killed himself inside the parliament building. but today is the day to remember
nathan cirillo for the man he was. >> so many people lining up to pay their respects. we mentioned this is a private ceremony for members of his regiment and family and invited guests but canadians are lining the streets to pay their respects to this man. it's a situation that shocked the entire nation, an act of terror that has shaken the very fabric of that community. we understand that the prime minister of canada will be in attendance as well as several governmental leaders from canada for the premier of the province but also we understand secretary of state john kerry will be on hand to represent the u.s. >> we'll check back in with this in a little bit as it continues, but a big moment up there in canada. we want to talk a little bit more now about ebola and some of the stuff going on today. the cdc has the new guidelines out, the advisory and also the remarkable news about yet another ebola patient in the united states being released. but first the cdc guidelines. >> here's what dr. anthony fauci said about those new guidelines.
he has been front and center of the u.s.'s response to the disease. >> it's a good matching based on science of the level of risk with the kind of monitoring and the kind of monitoring with the kind of restriction. >> all right, let's bring in dr. seema yasmin, public health professor in dallas and a former disease detective at the cdc and dr. frank esper, an infectious disease specialist. first of all, i think we have to talk -- we want to talk about the guidelines but we also have to talk about this moment of success. we see another health care worker stricken by this disease. this has got to feel like a victory and i don't mean to put in the such sort of blank terms but this is a victory to know that we are sending another healthy person home. she has a road ahead of her, dr. seema, but we're getting to see her go home. >> isn't this fantastic news? it's so reassuring to see that with good medical care, with quick diagnosis we can actually treat people really well and have ebola survivors.
what's interesting, though, is that amber vinson, for example, has become better very quickly compared to other ebola survivors. dr. kent brantly fell sick in liberia. it was about three weeks before he made that full recovery so amber vinson fought the virus quicker. we think, again, that's because of the quick -- and careful monitoring of electrolytes in the blood like sodium, potassium, making sure the levs stay good. >> and nina pham even sooner. so both of these nurses who, by the way, are the only two people to catch ebola in the united states, both of them have been released. so dr. esper, what does this mean? how should this influence our public policy here if we are showing that with early detection and the monitoring and the measures that we take, since the obvious really just horrendous way thomas eric duncan was handled at first in dallas since that things seem to be fairly well in order here. >> well, it's true. we need to remain vigilant
for -- to ensure that we identified very quickly those people who are coming down with this infection. it's true of any infection, not just ebola. but the sooner you're able to establish a diagnosis, the sooner you're able to start the patient on therapy. in this case it's just supportive therapy. the better people do in the long term, the better they survive and get better much quicker. so i think it's not too surprising that for the individuals that we found very quickly. that we were able to get them well very quickly. >> dr. yasmin, as a professor of public health and a disease detective, i'm curious your take on these new guidelines we've talked about the fact that this is an organic response if you will, that we're learning sb ii somewhat as we're going. how do you feel about these guidelines? do they go far enough or do you expect to hear other tweaks. >> i'm hearing from other public health experts and infectious disease experts is that these
new cdc guidelines are a good thing. and instead of lumping everybody into the same boat saying "you've just come back from west africa, this is what we're doing for you" it divides people into high risk, low risk, some risk and no risk and then treats them based on what kind of exposure they've had. so we're hearing from medical experts that they're happy this aligns with more with what we know about ebola. >> dr. esper, do you think, though, these distinctions are crystal clear. because high risk and some risk and low risk and no risk there can be a lot of shades of gray there. >> yeah, there's going to be a lot of overlap between individuals and who was exposed and who has a high exposure versus a low exposure. certainly we always have a tendency to err on the side of caution. that's how we are. we want to ensure the safety of the patient as well as everyone else around them for most and so we may end up if there's a question we move them into a more severe category. but it's very true that the cdc guidelines are definitely spot
on with the science as we know it right now. but it's true that we are learning on the job. >> we are learning on the job, there is some success here and we should celebrate that. let's hope some of that success can be replicated in west africa where they certainly need to save more lives. to both of you, you are a thanks as always dr. yasmin and dr. esper, we appreciate it. ahead for us at this hour, what was the dirty word uttered by this candidate for governor that we are about to show you hopefully. >> right there. >> what did he say? did he mean to say it? and could a republican have ever gotten away with saying it? that's next.
the didn'tic challenger to south carolina governor niki haley really call her -- i don't even like this word. i'll let you listen to it. or was this an unfortunate slip of the tongue. >> well, whether it was a slip of the tongue or intentional, ann romney is blasting the democratic candidate after he said this at a campaign event last week. listen to it now. >> that is the worst kind of politics and we are going to esco escort who o esco esco esco escort whore out the door. we're going to escort her out the door. [ laughter ] all right, calm down out there. [ laughter ] >> i kind of half expect to see both girls appalled in either side of my -- they are, i know they are because that word sends me. we're joined by cnn's political commentator and democratic
strategist maria cardona, lisa booth is here, senior director with the black rock group and republican strategist. maria, that word kills me. let's start with you, ann romney said if a republican had said that "it would be blowing up in their face like nobody's business." does she have a point there? >> absolutely. i agree with her. this was clearly a cringe-worthy moment. when i heard it i did a double take, i was like did he they? afterward you see it was clearly a gaffe, that he tripped over his words. >> but could he have handled it better? >> of course he could have handled it bet, michaela. she should have apologized immediately and said, look you guys, you know i didn't mean to say that, i apologize to governor haley. he did apologize later but i think to ann romney's point, i think she's right. there is a double standard, but the reason there's a double standard is because republican policies are the ones that have historically not benefitted women. i guarantee you that if sheheen
in his past had supported invasive ultrasounds if a woman dared to get an abortion, if he supported -- if he didn't support equal pay for equal work, if he didn't support raising the minimum wage when two-thirds of the minimum wage jobs are held by women then, yes, i bet you emily's list, now, and a lot of progressives would be going after him the way that they go after republican candidates when they put their foot in their mouths and talk about rape, for example. >> lisa, one, he didn't mean to say it, that was slip of the tongue. the other thing is clear is that he laughed it off without apologizing after it was clear he did say it. what do you make of maria's argument there? >> i don't care if he apologized or not. the comment was deplorable and sexist and ann romney 1 right. and he's not the only democrat candidate to make comments like this this election cycle. if you look at someone like john faust in virginia's 10th
congressional district, he attacked his republican opponent for not having a real job despite the fact that she's an attorney, despite the fact she worked for the justice department department, despite the fact she's a small business owner, further, democrats own national chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz has acrossed rick scott and scott walker of giving women the back of their hand. these comments are deplorable and that's why according to the associated press women voters are turning to republicans. more women would prefer gop-controlled congress han than democrats. >> well, i wouldn't go that are that far. >> hang on, i want to get something else but we'll leave it at that that saying dumb things can be bipartisan here. but in the subject of saying things that are just flat out wrong, lisa, i want to listen to speaker john boehner here talking about foreign policy and russia in particular and what the president did and did not do. let's listen to the comment here. >> when you look at this chaos that's going on, does anybody think vladimir putin gone into crimea had george w. bush been
president of the united states? no!" even putin's smart you have no know bush would have punched him in the nose in about ten seconds. [ laughter ] >> so the problem with this, lee is, is that when george w. bush was president, russia did invade a former soviet republic, went into georgia right there and i don't recall george w. bush punching anybody in the nose. and, in fact, the sanctions imposed by president obama are much harsher than anything that went on this. >> i think someone should punch putin in the nose, but what john boehner is alluding to is the general consensus by the president bush and even president obama's former military advisors that he's lacking leadership on foreign policy and national security issues. that's why you've seen most recently president obama's former cia and pentagon chief leon panetta came out criticizing president obama for his handling of iraq and syria and even former robert gates attacked president obama for his handling of afghanistan. so he's been widely criticized for his national security issues. >> quick final thought, marina
y -- maria? >> that doesn't give john baner the right to get history wrong. he needs to look back at what happened. he looks foolish. sure, he can criticize president obama, but let's remember, president obama got osama bin laden and regardless of the criticism on syria, he got syria to give up their chemical weapons. so, again, let's look at history, don't be foolish in saying those kinds of comments. >> maria cardona, lisa booth, thanks for being with us, appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. >> politicians say a lot of silly things. >> do you feel they might be back? thanks, ladies. ahead at this hour, this is a crazy story. a danver man vanishes from a stadium at a wrong goes came. the family 1 scratching their heads they're so worried. sa anxiety for residents on hawaii.
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well, he later signed a written confession admitting to it. as you'll recall, the boston marathon bombing killed three people, wounding more than 260 last year. it was the worst attack on u.s. soil since the september 11 attacks. this is a crazy story. investigators are trying to figure out how a 53-year-old man going to his first ever denver broncos game just vanished during the game. paul kitterman was waiting for his son outside a stadium bathroom. when his son came out, kitterman was not there, he was nowhere to be found and he hasn't been seen since. >> we were there until 1:30 in the morning and paramedics said nobody had come in that night at all. he was like "well, we'll just stick together because you got your phone." so there's no way he would have taken off like that. >> reporter: jean casarez is covering this story. jean, you just ran in here literally getting off the phone with the last person who spoke to this man. >> yes, her name is tia boppy,
she's in the picture we saw delight and what she wants out is paul didn't just walk away from the stadium that seats 74,000 people. she says that the family believes something bad has happened to him, that he would not do this, that he's never done this. but she says police are telling them that police believe since he's a grown man that if he left, he left on his own accord. and she doesn't believe the police are doing anything. now, we have a call into the police right now to find out. but here's what she says are the basic facts. paul kitterman lives on a very small town, he's a cattle rancher and does construction. >> everybody knows him. >> everybody knows him. very good man, loyal man, person of his word. tia and her boyfriend got two extra seats to the denver broncos game so paul and his stepson went with them. first time ever at this stadium. they saw him at half time. tia says he was so excited that he said "it's bigger than it is on television."
the stepson goes into the bathroom, she and her boyfriend are still with paul kitterman and they said "okay, meet you when the game is over" because they were sitting in different areas. "see you when the game is over, meet you at gate 8." they all go to gate 8, he's not there. >> and they're thinking he might have got lost. first time at the stadium, he might have got lost or turned around, one would think he'd try his cell phone but he didn't have one. >> he didn't have that. he doesn't carry that stuff. small town cattle rancher. she told me that police and investigators combed the video yesterday from the stadium and they have not told the family anything of what they saw or didn't see on that video. >> but, jean, you cover a lot of stories like this. when the police say "no foul play" it's hard to imagine the universe of possibilities besides that. it would bomb the guy walked off on his own and doesn't want to talk to anybody. >> and it sounds like according to the family and the other close friends that that is the conclusion that's been made, that when you are an adult and
can't be found and everything seems to be in order, you must have voluntarily made that decision to leave. the family says no, he didn't just walk away without a car, without a credit card from this huge stadium in denver. >> they feel like they're still looking. they feel that police are actively searching? >> they say the police haven't called them so they don't know anything. >> okay, well hopefully they can -- maybe some news media pressure will put some pressure on them to get looking for him in a more aggressive manner. >> something happened. something happened. >> jean casarez, thanks so much. ahead at this hour, controversy brewing here, charles barkley calling it a dirty dark secret in the black community. he says it's behind the problem of blacks holding back the success of other blacks. we're going to dive into this one. . ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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learning of here and want to bring it to your attention. according to an amtrak spokesperson, a chicago-bound amtrak train collided with a semi truck crossing the tracks in white county, indiana, this morning. we've been told there were 11 people transported from that train to a local hospital because of this incident. eight of those people have since been treated and released. we understand that none of those injuries are believed to be life threatening. it is a concern, obviously, because there were some 56 passengers. >> there were people on board the train but they're all apparently doing okay, which is good. those people taken the 40 t hospital, the remaining passengers put on a bus to get to their destination. >> it happened around 8:20 this morning. again, that northbound train struck a semi truck that crossed on the rail tracks running adjacent to the road there. apparently the train split the truck in half. the driver uninjured. amazing. we'll keep an eye on this for
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northern syria. >> i want you to listen to what they tell our ivan watson, not just about what went on inside that isis community, but also how they say that ivan would be treated had he been captured. listen to this. >> we are in a prison run by the kurdish militants here in northern syria and we're being introduced to prisoners that the kurds tell us were members of isis. the prisoners are brought in blindfolded and we quickly begin to wonder whether they're being forced to speak to us. during our visit here, the guards, who ask not to be shown, do not allow us to see the cells where the prisoners are being held. this man trembles with fear as a prison guard removes his blindfold. i introduce myself as an american journalist and he begins to relax a little.
he tells me he's a syrian named suleiman, he confesses to being part of an isis cell that planted and detonated a remote controlled car bomb outside a kurdish base and says he received around $3,600 for completing the job what is the idea that isis is fighting for? >> translator: they said they were fighting for islam and justice. they were lying to us. they took advantage of our minds and our poverty. >> reporter: one of the prisoners the guards bring out is barely a man. your name is kareem. how old are you? >> translator: i am 1 years old. >> reporter: but kareem tells me he fought alongside isis all across syria for more than a year. where were you injured? and he has the battle scars to prove it. >> translator: they gave us
drugs, hallucinogenic pills that maid you not care if you live or die. >> reporter: before he's captured by the kurds, kareem claim he is saw isis behead many of its prisoners. why are does isis cut people's heads off? >> translator: wherever isis goes into an area, the eyes of isis, the people there who don't adhere to their islamic law, a r apostates. everything has to follow isis' way. even women who don't cover their faces. women would also get their heads chopped off. >> reporter: the final prisoner is jabber, a former schoolteacher and father of who two who also confesses to a car bombing. what would have happened to me if, when you were with isis, if you guys had found me, an american journalist?
>> translator: with isis, your fate would be death. there are different kinds of death. they would torture you for sure. they might decapitate you or cut off your hands. they will not simply shoot a bullet in your head. >> reporter: it's impossible for cnn to confirm whether anything the prisoners tell us was true or whether these men were coached by their captors. the kurdish prison guards say if set free every one of these men would likely go back and rejoin isis. ivan watson, cnn, in kurdish-controlled northern syria. >> chilling thought. >> a remark bable perspective. ahead at this hour, we turn to hawaii. hot lava less than 70 yards from a hawaiian town could destroy it. the question is, can it be stopped? what's possible today?
charles barkley is really in the middle of a new controversy here. it stems from reports out of seattle. some members of the seattle seahawks, the football team here, don't get confused, charles barkley played basketball. but some think that russell wilson is, quote, not black enough and that this is reportedly creating some tension inside seattle's locker room. so listen to what the always
talkative charles barkley says about these alleged critics of russell wilson. >> it's a dirty, dark secret in the black community, one of the reasons we're never going to be successful as a whole because of other black people. and for some reason, we're brainwashed to think if you are not a thug or an idiot, you aren't black enough. >> lz granderson joins us in the studio. there are so many shades of r opinions on this topic about being black enough and how you feel about charles and his controversy this time. what do you make of it? >> what are your thoughts? >> there are a lot of things you can talk about. the first thing that struck me was, there was an element of the conversation which charles insinuated that institutionalized race history has no impact on the black race today. and that's wrong. but charles is right in the sense that there's this mentality that worships or
glamourizes a part of the darker life. >> the issue is that charles painted it with very broad brushstrokes and said, it's out there for everybody as opposed to saying there are some members of a community that think this way. i suppose the question is, is it true in that locker room? is it true in seattle that people in the nfl don't want to see a quarterback like russell wilson? >> absolutely not. if you've seen charles barkley play, you know he doesn't go to the basket a little bit. he goes to the basket hard. so he's into big, grand statements. there are people in the nfl or in the locker room that appreciate russell wilson for who he is. and there are people who may not necessarily appreciate all his nuances. that doesn't mean they don't view him as black enough. i can't speak for every african-american in the country.
i think he's black enough, whatever that -- >> what is black enough? >> exactly. >> that's the question. >> president obama when he was running for president faced that question. cory booker in new jersey was attacked with that question by his opponent. >> by whom, though? >> by other african-americans questioning whether or not he's black enough. and they were shot down by african-americans saying, why are you asking such an asinine question. >> van jones said the black community doesn't have the corner on jealousy. haters are going to hate. there's something to that. there's going to be grades of how people feel about things and what a true irish person is, a true jewish person, a true person of faith. >> the difference when it comes to the african-american community is because ours has a tint of violence tied to the community as a whole. it erodes us and has prevented
us from making the advancements we need to make. i've heard the, you're not black enough, you speak too well. you have to ignore those people. but some people buy into it and they fought back because they don't want to be perceived as being white or not black enough. because we have that violence and it's detrimental to our education, we need to talk about it in a different way than other groups who have the haters. >> lz, glad you could come on and talk about this with us today. >> great to see you. >> you had to make it better -- >> i like that. >> i'm going to talk volcanos because of that. want to take you to hawaii. one of the world's most active volcanos is forcing thousands -- hundreds of people to flee on hawaii's big island. they're heading out of town. a 2,000-degree river of lava moving quickly towards the town of pahoa eating up the earth at the rate of 8 to 11 yards an hour. it's less than 70 yards from the
closest home. >> in some places, the lava is chest-high. hawaiian officials haven't issued a mandatory evacuation order yet. but many residents have left on their own. joining us is the head of professor geological sciences in providence. people on the island are in danger. this volcano's been erupting for decades and decades. why is it a threat toeople now? >> well, it has indeed, for more than decades. really millions and millions of years. the whole island is built up of millions of flows. it occurs every once in a while and people tend to forget it. so it's just a natural thing. it gives us a good chance to study them from a scientific point of view and help us predict where they will go and keep people out of danger.
>> and that's all we can do is stay out of the way, watch what the predictions and the models tell us because you can't stop lava, can you? >> not really. if you watch lava coming up to a house, unfortunately the 2,000 degrees, as you say, and flashpoint of paper is 451. so they burst into flame. and if you're standing there, the house is standing there, it's like standing in front of a bulldozer essentially type of situation because if the house doesn't burst into flames, it's going to be overrun by a bulldozer, steamroller type of effect. nothing you can do about that. no amount of water hoses or anything like that is going to slow the lava flow down. >> it looks very, very dangerous. it looks like the type of thing you want to avoid. and i guess -- you've been out there. i go back to this question. is it safe to even be building there? is it safe for people to be living there at all given that
this volcano is there doing what it's doing for, as you say, thousands of years? >> well, i think you can find safe places in hawaii. the most active places are indeed right around kilauea on the big island of hawaii and places like oahu where there's a low possibility of an eruption. but there's a high probability around this area. but people have short memories. oftentimes people from the mainland come in and build houses. the local hawaiians have a pretty good idea of what goes on here. they know from their history and lore exactly what goes and have a firm respect for nature. they're usually the last ones that have a problem. it's usually the people that come in without knowledge of this sort of thing. so it is dangerous. not as dangerous as the volcanos we have in the northwest u.s. which are extremely explosive. these you usually get signals for and you can get out. but houses are not so easy to move and they usually get mowed down and burst into flames sadly. >> after the lava's gone by, how
imminent is that danger? obviously there's fire, we can see the burning there. it can take down a house, burn everything, scorch everything in its path. afterwards, how soon until you can return safely? >> well, it usually takes weeks to months for the lava to cool completely. when we study these, we go up fairly soon after the lava's flowed out because it forms a cool crust on top. we can make measurements by penetrating probes down in and making measurements on the surface. but typically that's not the kind of thing that a non-geologist would want to do. there are millions of these flows all over the island of hawaii. everything is literally built on these type of flows. >> thanks so much for joining us
and helping us understand the science behind it. >> let's hope the people out there stay safe. >> absolutely. >> thanks for joining us at this hour. i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. when the blindfolds come off, they talk candidly about car bombings and beheadings. isis militants captured, captured by kurdish fighters and face to face with cnn's ivan watson inside a syrian prison. also ahead, what you haven't heard about friday's school shooting, the text the shooter used to lure his victims. his shocking selfie and the message of forgiveness from the cousin he shot in the face.