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watchings and warnings, damage to the panhandle of florida. temperature wise it feels good for one day, carol. by tomorrow -- that's in the northeast. by tomorrow temperatures drop another 30 degrees including down to the south. 30s as highs in atlanta tomorrow. >> oh, that's crazy! >> here we go again. >> we'll be ready thanks to you. drain peters thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. another brutal beheading at the hands of isis terrorists. a u.s. aid worker is the fifth western hostage and third american slaughtered by isis. is isis feeling the pain from those u.s. air strikes? dea agents launching surprise inspections of nfl locker rooms following the sunday games. i'll tell you what they were after and what tipped them off. that's bill cosby back on stage. his first appearance since rain
allegations resurfaced. one thing he's not doing -- talking about those accusations. i'm michaela pereira, john berman is off. we have those stories and more ahead at this hour. we start, unfortunately, with an act of pure evil. that's what president obama is calling the beheading of u.s. hostage peter kassig by isis terrorists. the inhumanity and brutality on this video posted by ie vision too much to take, frankly. i shows kassig's head, the feet of a man seen in previous videos who's become known as jihadi john. peter kassig is now the fifth westerner to be killed by the terrorist group. this video, however, is different. it shows only the aftermath, the grim aftermath of kassig's beheading. for the first time, the speaker identifies where he is standing with the victim. the video also shows beheadings of other men. now the timing is crucial here. it comes as u.s. officials are suggesting they could send more
ground troops to iraq. in this latest video, the narrator taunts president obama to do just that. we want to turn to joe johns at this hour. joe, i hate that we have to talk about this again. it's becoming far too familiar of a thing we're seeing. we know that there is significance in the fact that this video was posted while the top u.s. general joint chiefs chairman martin dempsey was in iraq. >> i think that's true. the first thing, though, i think you have to say is it's not clear at all when the video was actually recorded. just no way to tell when it was actually recorded. no way to tell when peter kassig was executed. but what we do know is when the video was released. it was released over the weekend at a time when the chairman of the joint chiefs happened to be in the region there in iraq. so drawing a connection is very difficult but you can say looking at the timeline there is
at least that kind of a connection in and of itself michaela. >> joe, talk to me more about -- we're getting news that the french interior minister has named a french national as having played a part in this latest isis video. what more do we know about this individual? >> well their word is "participated." that he participated in all this. the french national's name is maxime haushard. he's from the normandy area and went to syria in 2013. it's not clear what participation they're talking about, but they do say they've analyzed the video and their word is they've established with a very high probability that he was involved. we know there have been over r
other efforts, what do you know about this young man? >> we don't get a lot of information about it other than the fact that the united states was looking for him. we know also obviously that he was a united states army ranger, there's certain they concern about leaving one of your own behind. he had gone on to become an aid worker in syria but it's clear they tried to get intelligence they could about him, clearly too late. >> we talk about that in such a matter of fact way which we need to but we must pause and recognize this is a young man cut down in the prime of his life doing good works for the world, his family obviously devastated. it's difficult not to look at these images and remember that, the way they want him to be be remembered. not the way they want him today. so we know sadly these isis
terrorists will stop at nothing to advance their brutal and radical agenda but are they being weakened at all by these coalition air strikes in iraq and syria? we are getting new video. isis fighters have been trying to take control of kobani for months. some analysts say isis could be getting desperate and that perhaps the new beheading video is a sign of that. i wonder. let's talk about this with cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank, also with us peter brooks. we jumped the gun a little bit. peter brooks is here, a senior fellow of national security affairs at the heritage foundation. gentlemen, i hate saying it's a delight to have you here because i hate that we're having to talk about this again and again, another young life taken by the hands of this brutal, brutal enemy. it's interesting, paul, that statement that i just made there that some are seeing this as a sign of isis' desperation.
is that the way this is being viewed? >> i'm not so sure. they were releasing these beheading videos in august when they were very strong. i'm not sure they've weakened the group substantially. they've limited their freedom of movement but this is a very strong group. they control much of abbar province, they control mosul, they control huge tracks of syria as well. this is a defiant message that isis is putting out in this video. >> defiant, well-organized, passionate. they seem to have endless resources in manpower as well. peter, do you feel they're feeling the pressure or the effect of these air strikes at all? >> it's a very mixed picture, michaela. there were some successes in recent times now. we had a strike that may have injured al-baghdadi, the leader. some of their other leaders were taken out in air strikes. the iraqi army was able to take down the refining town of baiji
and, of course, kobani is not a victory for them. this has -- this is a town that's had a stalemate. so that doesn't look good for them. so it's very much a mixed picture. there's still a lot of work to do and we need to keep up the pressure and i think personally to increase the pressure on this group. >> increasing the pressure. does that mean to you, paul, more ground forces? is that the answer here? i think there are people among us that will say when you take another one of our citizens in such brutal fashion we should go after the heart of that beast. but, again, this is not what the president -- he wants to take this brutal beast out but the idea of sending more of our men and women into harm's way, that's not something he's savoring. >> and the united states have said it's going to take more than a year to train the iraqi army to go into mosul to try to reclaim mosele from isis and it's worth recalling back in 2007 at the hide of the surge when you had 170,000 u.s. combat troops in iraq it took them months and months and months to break the back of al qaeda in
iraq, essentially the same group as isis. well, there are no combat troops there now and isis is stronger than al qaeda in iraq was. it has more manpower and recruits and money. >> and we know they're teaming up with al nusra. final thought to you, peter. this is a long haul. >> i think so. but, of course, it will depend on our level of effort. the president, i think, should keep all options on the table because that's what he's going need news plan survives contact with the enemy. that is dynamic situation. them teaming up isis and al nusra teaming is up bad news. we're going to have to see what tomorrow comes. we need to get more spine out of the iraqi army and arm the peshmerga to take this on. then we need a plan for syria. >> you said it's a very different proposition when we look at syria. peter brooks, paul cruickshank, i appreciate you joining us. the vatican announcing that pope francis will make his first
trip to the u.s. as the leader of the catholic church next cement the pontiff is coming to the world meetings for families in philadelphia considering he's particularly concerned about challenges facing the modern family. we're told the pope will hold a large public mass in philadelphia september 27. mark your calendars. francis is the fourth reigning pope to visit the united states. sorry to be the one to tell you but look for a repeat of last week's early winter blast that covered most of the country. we won't see as much snow as last time around but meteorologists say frigid temperatures will return once again this week. the national weather service says areas from texas to the northeast could brace for cold and you should brace for cold. meanwhile, the southeast will see temperatures 25 to 30 degrees below normal. and single digits could hit as far south as mississippi. that to me sounds like everywhere but the pacific northwest and california are going to get cold weather.
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joined in a lawsuit alleging that teams dish out painkillers like candy just to keep players in the game. they claim that these drugs are handed out without prescriptions or labels, often by trainers and not by doctors. former nfl player jd hill sold cnn "newsroom" those drugs are readily available. >> we would get injured and we would get painkillers from doctors, we'd get painkillers from the trainers, you would just go in and say you have -- you're in pain or there's an injury that you had sustained and so they would give you painkiller, not even telling you the side effects or what it was, there was no prescription that was give on the you and so being an athlete, trusting the trainers, trusting the doctors, they recommended something and we would take it. >> our justice reporter evan perez joins us from washington. boy, makes you wonder, evan, when you hear the reports of the dea agents swooping in and doing a spot check, if you will, of these locker rooms it makes you wonder what the future is for
the nfl. are they going to be subjected to these random checks by the dea? >> well, michaela, i'm sure this got everyone's attention yesterday. in addition to the checks for the 49ers, the tampa bay buccaneers also had a visit from the dea and also the seattle seahawks after their games and it's interesting because what they were look for is any indication there were prescription drugs being improperly handled by trainers. as you mentioned, doctors or nurse practitioners are legally allowed to do this, not trainers. and so if the nfl wasn't aware of this yet, they got their attention yesterday. >> and all of this came about because of this lawsuit, right? the 1,300 former players. so what is the end game here? they want to put a stop to this, obviously. >> yes. there's this lawsuit by i believe 1,300 players who played from 1969 to 2008 in the nfl and
they allege a whole raft of things including that the locker room there would be balls of painkillers -- bowls of painkillers that would be doled out for anybody who can take them. that you'd have trainers giving out uppers for players in the morning so they can go out and practice and play and downers so they can sleep. so this is what's gotten the dea's attention and this is why they're investigating. >> and i'm just thinking about what happens when these guys then stop playing. when they retire. you've potentially got these guys addicted because we know how highly addictive these prescription drugs are. >> that's the big concern. that's the very big concern right now because, you know, these players years later are hooked on these drugs and that's one of the things they're asking for in this lawsuit is that the nfl set up a trust fund so they can have medical care and, frankly, treatment for these players, some of whom don't have the money anymore to be able to pay for and medical care so they can take care of all their pain and suffering that they've had so we'll see where this goes. the nfl has also got the d.a. to
contend with for the next few months, at least. >> another bit of controversy for the nfl. somewhat beleaguered these days, there's been a lot of headlines about that league. evan perez, thanks so much for that. we'll keep watching that story. coming up after the break, police video shows officer darren wilson shortly after shooting and killing michael brown in ferguson, missouri. we'll take a closer look at this as well as listen to radio communication from the police of that fatal incident.
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darren wilson in the shooting death of unarmed teenager michael brown in august. >> demonstrators took to the streets sunday marking the 100th day since brown's death. you can tell cold, wet, miserable weather didn't stop them from taking part in this die in as they called it, lying down in the street. also new over the weekend, new video released from the st. louis post-dispatch shows officer wilson in a t-shirt as he leaves the police station for the hospital. the police radio communications before and after the shooting were also released. take a listen.
. early on cnn's "new day" the attorney for the brown family said the audio shows officer wilson never identified brown as a suspect in the convenience store theft. >> clearly as demonstrated from the audio that the initial encounter between the police officer and michael brown, jr., had nothing to do with the incident that happened at the convenience store. and when you listen to the remainder of it, you -- there's nothing to establish that any connection he had between michael brown, jr., related back to the incident at the convenience store. >> that's attorney benjamin crump. cnn legal analyst paul callan and stephanie elam joins us from ferguson. steph, i want to begin with you. key element over the weekend including the demonstration we saw. give us a sense of what the mood
is like on the ground in te ferguson now. >> make kael larks everyone is waiting to hear what will happen. for people who may not know either party involved, mike brown or officer wilson, the concern is not so much on whether or not he's indicted but 2 response that comes after it, whether or not there will be the violence that we saw in august in those first few days after mike brown was killed where we saw buildings looted, businesses looted. a lot of those buildings are boarding up and just writing in fluorescent letters that they're hope but they want to be prepared in case this ruling comes down and it's not what people think. and there's a lot of people here that don't believe that officer wilson will be indicted. >> you've obviously been talking to a lot of people and families, they're concerned about their children. what is the primary thing they're saying to you as parents and residents of that community? >> it's really wide ranging,
michaela. i've had so many people willing to talk to me on the phone but afraid to get in front of a camera because they simply think there's going to be blowback. they're afraid protesters are going to come after them. some people saying that they're not worried but they're concerned about what's going to happen, they want to make sure that the schools stay open because in august the schools did close down for a week after mike brown was killed. they want to make sure their children are safe, making sure that they're able to get them to and from school is also a huge concern here. where other people are just saying that they are very concerned about the small businesses that are up and down these streets and whether or not they'll be able to conduct business and the safety of their own family and they're buying up groceries and planning to stay in their house until any potential unrest is over, michaela. >> they're caught up in the middle of it. steph elam, thank you so much. paul callan in studio, i want to go back to what we were letting our viewers listen to and watch, the police radio communications, the video of officer wilson after the shooting. as an attorney, tell me what you see through your attorney eyes. >> it's a fascinating look now
in realtime and hearing the real voices involved in the incident. bear in mind we're dealing with scraps of information here and trying to stitch together what happened that night. and i think what officer wilson's attorneys would ultimately argue is that wilson had arrived on this sick baby call at noontime and he was in on that call. as he was going into the building, in the background the call was coming out about a stealing in progress which was the convenience store robbery that involved michael brown and possibly -- dorian johnson was there but he was never charged with it. he then comes back out to the car, wilson, gets in and he sees michael brown and johnson walking in the middle of the street. he pulls up to them and says, according to johnson "get the "f" on the sidewalk." that would seemingly be the end of the incident and he starts to drive on his way. he suddenly stops, though, this is wilson, and backs up quickly. now the second encounter is when
everything happens. >> is it significant to you what we heard benjamin crump say, the attorney for the family, saying wilson did not i.d. michael brown as a suspect in the convenience store robbery. significant to you? >> i disagree his analysis on that because he stugts that he never identified him. i think the suggest encounter he did. i think the first encounter he just sort of thought these were two kids in the street but i think as he pulled away something clicked and he said, wow, he had cigars in his hand, the description had swisher cigars in the suspect's hand and he was dressed in a certain way. so i think he did know he was confronting a potential person who was wanted? >> and as these things -- many things that we don't have access to that the grand jury is considering now in term who was they're going to indict or not. >> they are. and i think it's a big mistake for us to second guess whatever they're going do. and i say this about the street demonstrators as well. nobody knows how much information has gone into that grand jury.
they've been sitting for a long time. it's a secret proceeding. there have been some leak bus lots of witnesses we don't know about. >> their deadline is january 7, we're told it could come down imminently. we don't know. you'll be part of the conversation when it does come down. stephanie elam, paul callan, our thanks to you. ahead at this hour, decades-old sexual assault allegations resurfacing against bill cosby. the comedian, for his part, refusing to comment. but the question is will his silence cost him? [ telephone rings ] [ shirley ] edward jones.
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[ cheers and applause ] that was bill cosby performing over the week end in erie, pennsylvania. he is now involved in a fresh controversy over his past. his attorney says cosby will not respond to "decade old discredited claims of sexual assaults." these accusations have been made by several women. over the weekend, cosby was interviewed by scott simon on npr and was asked about those claims. later the interviewer spoke to cnn about cosby's body language at that moment during the interview. take a listen. >> this question gives me no pleasure, mr. cosby, but there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days. you're shaking your head no. i'm in the news business, i have to ask the question.
do you have any response to those charges? shaking your head no. there are people who love you who might like to hear from you about this. i want to give you the chance. all right. he gave what i would refer to is that delightful impish little cosby smile at first and then was silent, didn't answer the questio question. >> that was scott simon from npr. let's get a little deeper, eric, it seems like a crisis management consultant is a busy person this year. of course you're the author of "glass jaw, a manifesto for defending fragile reputations in the age of instant scandal." i don't know, i've been having this discussion with a few of my colleagues here, eric. dammed if you do, damned if you don't. what's your reaction to how
cosby handled or didn't handle the questions from scott simon on npr? >> well, the rules have changed. let me tell you the good news and the bad news. the good news is if you're bill cosby, you're 77 years old, you're not at the beginning of your career, you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars, you can take your toys and go home and refuse to play in this media farce that we're dealing with surrounding this. and he doesn't have to. he can be silent. that's the good news. the bad news is this is a classic glass jaw scenario where a punch from the past can destroy a a-year career and if he wants to continue having new shows -- and apparently one is in the works -- or product endorsements or things like that, there is going to be an expectation that he talks more. i have to tell you, 20 years ago there would have been no question what the advice would have been which would have been to go on oprah and talk about it. the problem is, you're dealing with the twitter sphere now where every time you open your
mouth, when you have motivated adversaries, they will 100% of the time declare your interview to have been botched, it will be declared to be an outrage and it will ignite further rounds of coverage and something like this will never go away. so it's a viable choice he's taking. >> i have to ask you, "media farce," what do you mean by that, eric? >> i think that by -- you can't call allegations of sexual assault anything other than very serious. but what happens now is a concept i write about called the fiasco vortex where you have media coverage of something like this that metastasizes no matter what you do. and regardless of the old school of thought that you get it all out there, you do your interview and it goes away, the fact is, is with the social media environment, off self-feeding situation where every time you
open your mouth not only does it not back off your critics, it makes the twitter sphere and media cycle even worse. >> i have so many questions for you, maybe we can talk about it more because i feel like this will be a topic we'll the b discussing for some time. i have questions about legacy, what it means for someone. >> it means a lot. it's very serious. >> we have to leave it here right now but maybe we can talk about it again, okay? >> sure, thank you. >> we should mention a new accuser has come forward with her story. she's going to air it tonight. she'll reveal troubling details of an assault shi alleges happened at the hands of bill cosby tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. ahead here, a defiant president obama may go it alone on immigration reform. how the newly republican controlled congress will react if he does.
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split apart by deportation, i spoke earlier today with actress diane guerrero of the hit series "orange is the new black." she came home when she was 14 years old to find her colombian parents and older brother had been deported. >> i got home and their cars were there and dinner was started and the lights were on but i couldn't find them. it was really hard. it was really hard. and then the neighbors came in -- >> that's how you found out they were gone? the neighbors told you? >> uh-huh, they were just like i'm so sorry, your parents were taken away. >> what does that feel like? that seems to be every child's worse nightmare that your family is taken from you. >> i broke down, you know? i remember i like -- i hid under the bed because i was afraid that somebody was going to come for me. i don't know who that someone was, but -- i was just so scared. it's like what do you do? i'm so scared for them, what they're going through. my parents are going to jail and for what?
i didn't consider them criminals. >> such a complex issue. let's bring in our cnn commentator ruben and our republican strategist. i appreciate you coming to talk about this. there's no easy solution, we can all agree on. that ruben, i want to start with you. you wrote an op-ed on cnn.com. i want to read it talking about the president has been one of the most aggressive in deportations. you wrote "obama deport add record two million people in five years, divided hundreds of thousands of families, failed to deal effectively with thousands of child refugees who streamed across the u.s./mexico border last summer then broke another promise when he said he would take executive action on immigration before the midterm elections but blinked." so why change course now? >> well, michaela great to be with you and good to be with my good friend bettina as well. to change course, i think he's probably had it with this issue, witness to resolve it, he's had it with republican obstructionists philosophy that says basically we're not going
to do anything. but when you try to do something we're going say "leave us alone so we can work." that's a joke. they're not doing any work on immigration and i think he wants to try to make life better in a temporary way for some group of the 11 million who are here: some segment of it. it gets complicated when you look at the details for sure. but i this is a piecemeal way of going. it's not through to full legal status which the president can't do any way, it's not permanent residency or amnesty. it's a little weak but at the same time i think it's a step in the right direction. >> it's interesting, bettina, we have heard time and time again the gop saying "don't go down this path, don't go down this path." yet it seems apparently the president is planning to do just that. >> yeah. i think the general idea is that people are really frustrated with the president. i agree with ruben. both sides have used immigration as a political football. but as we look forward and figure out what is the best course forward, we have to ask, is this really about the policy
or the politics? this president is using immigration as a political maneuver to defend his legacy and we just had an election. the voters were very clear on what they wanted. they don't want any more gridlock in washington. they want both parties to work together. this is not a way to work together. from everyone i've talked to in washington, there's a lot of consensus that they want immigration reform to move forward. but what he's doing is just taking the rug out of this new congress, not letting them even discuss this and moving unilaterally is not a way to build consensus and build bipartisanship and get a real reform done, not these band-aid solutions that only are temporary fixes. >> so what is the solution, bettina? because i think there is such a level of frustration. i think one of the things we also learned from the midterm is that there's a great deal of frustration from the constituents, from the voters that the threat of a shotdown once again, the fact that imzbrags essentially stalled.
we all agree that it's broken. how do we fix it? >> i think one of the things that the president has to do is work with the new congress. if he wants to give them a timeline, hey, we're going to -- i'm giving you until february, march, to get something passed, at least give them the opportunity. but he's not giving them an opportunity. i think ruben was talking before about this president has never made immigration reform a priority. he's promised over and over again that he's going to get something done and now after the election he decides he's going to push these things forward and really create a situation that's going to be very difficult for both congress and the white house to work together on other policies like trade, like energy poll spi. and he's just making it kay yot nick so many different ways. i think everybody believes immigration is a problem that we need fix, but we have to ask, is this the best way forward? is this going to create the change needed for so many
families to get the necessary status that they need? >> i have to interrupt you for a second because i want to give you a quick final button on this. >> sure. to push back against my friend just a bit, she doesn't speak for all republicans on this matter. there are republicans throughout who say this isn't a small thing or quick fix but really obama going to too far and overreaching. first contradiction. second contradiction is i hear all the time from conservatives that the election proved people don't want congress to work with the president. so let me get this straight, republicans are saying congress shouldn't work with the president but if you listen to bettina the president should work with congress. doesn't quite work that way. >> clearly there is a lot that needs to be worked out in this issue. and, again, going back to this, there are lives hanging in the balance, people's families are being separated, the costs. we can go on and on about why this needs to be a priority and get worked out. bettina, ruben, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. ahead at this hour, another controversial topic we'll talk about, stop and frisk. it's been ruled unconstitutional.
policing. take a look at a clip from a brand-new cnn documentary called "black and blue." >> i don't sleep until he comes home, quite frankly. the fact that it happens just about every single day is overwhelming and can lead you to lose your hay but then your future ends. >> concern of so many mothers. soledad o'brien is here to talk about her brand-new film. this is an infuriating issue on board for many people. >> and a hot button one, too. often with his professors and
classmates with police going through his backpacks and this is a kid would has no legal each. he's never been in any kind of legal trouble. he's very frustrated. we wanted to examine, first of all, what's the impact on the psyche if, in fact, you're stopped over and over and over again and most of which turned into nothing. there was no legal case. they never pursued anything further. and also, how do the police need to do what they need to do, which is essentially not trample on the rights of the people in the community. >> you look at the statistics. 80% are black and are latin american. >> is that the justification? >> well, it's they fit the profile. you're not allowed to stop someone unless there's reasonable suspicion. so often they will say they fit a profile. they match the suspect profile. i think often people are concerned that, in fact, that's
made up. so it is. it's a challenge. how do you navigate that line of protecting the community, the people who are at most interesting at times to interview are black police officers. >> yeah. >> some of whom will tell us that they, in fact, have stopped themselves and have been stopped and frisked. >> they have to have the same conversations with their sons about how they comport themselves. conversations that we've had here at this hour. this is going to be fantastic and i encourage everybody to watch it. really a delight to have you here. thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> let me point to where you can see it. it's called "black & blue" here on cnn at 9:00 eastern. thanks, soledad. >> my pleasure. the vatican announced a visit to the u.s. next fall. the significance of the visit.
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an immensely popular figure will visit the united states next summer. pope francis making his visit as head of the catholic church. the archbishop of philadelphia says he is overjoyed. he adds, the pope's charisma will electrify the gathering. we'll be talking about it here. the reverend beck is here. i can't imagine the ripples this has had through the diocese and the nation. pretty exciting. will he get the rock star welcome we should anticipate? >> well, they are already saying in philadelphia over a million will come. >> wow. >> the speculation is, where else will he go? if he's coming to the united states, it's not going to be just to philadelphia. the u.n. assembly is meeting at
the same time. he may be going to washington. >> if somebody can get congress to behave, it could be this man. >> you never know. and then the outlier has said he wants to go to the mexico and u.s. border. the cardinal of boston was giving communion through the fence to those undocumented people. this is a special concern of pope francis. what do we do with all of these people? if he goes there, that will really be interesting. all of that is unconfirmed. the only thing confirmed is philadelphia. >> given the time that we are in and the things going on and the work that he has chosen to do, he's the pope of the people. all of those things you've talked about are going to reach out and touch other people. to that end, we can't help but addres ask, will he address the church
abuse scandal and face it head-on? >> i think if he comes to the united states, he cannot not address it. you have shawn o'malley, the head of boston. that is where this all began in boston when it started to break in this country. and it has been seen as an american problem. >> yeah. >> not true. it's a worldwide problem. >> it's interesting how it has been seen that way. >> it has been seen that way. so if he could come here with shawn o'malley and address the issue, like bishop finn, cardinal o'malley was asked that last night, if he knew a priest was looking at child porn and can't do anything to that priest. he is committed to addressing. coming to the suns maybe an opportunity to really do it. >> well, especially because he has not been afraid. he is his own man, a man of god. he's still his own man. he's not afraid to do things his
own way. i'm really curious how the reaction will be. mostly, this will be planned well in advance, correct? >> yes. >> you've already given us a great deal of information that we knew, visiting the u.n., a visit to philadelphia. will there be any room for spontaneousness or will that not be feasible? >> he does not stay on script. he will say things he's not supposed to say. this is part of the man. expect it. >> we can't wait. more information will be coming in the coming days and weeks. father edward beck, nice to have you here. that's september 2015. we have time to plan. that wraps it up for us here, i guess for me here since i'm alone, no john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield is coming up next.
this is cnn breaking news. >> hi, everybody. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." at any moment, we're expected to hear from nebraska medical center about the second ebola death that occurred here in the united states. it's a doctor from maryland, martin salia. he contracted the virus while treating patients in west africa. we have now learned that he died and that happened this morning. the white house has issued a statement. it reads, "dr. salia's passing is a reminder of the human toll of this disease and of the continued imperative to tackle this epidemic on the front lines where dr. salia was engaged in his calling. and the heartbreaking irony of it all, it was months ago that dr. salia was telling us about his passion to help others.