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the fallout coming fast and furious. the cia torture report prompting calls for revenge from jihadists, accusations of partisan payback from politicians and oddly enough, a push for pardons from the aclu. also this hour, who could have set this 19-year-old on fire leaving her to die by the side of the road? mississippi police on the hunt for whoever killed jessica chambers. and -- >> [ bleep ]. >> brutality in baltimore.
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the video police tried to erase. a woman legally recording an arrest ends up getting roughed up, tasered and accused of assaulting officers. it is a video you simply have to see to believe. not to mention the result. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." it has now been 24 hours since a world still fighting al qaeda and now fighting isis got the fullest picture yet of cia treatment of terror suspects in the wake of september the 11th. and the world has responded. mostly without rage and revulsi revulsion. but one man thinks this blistering report borne out of a senate investigation is, quote, a partisan pile of bull you know what. and how does he know or claim to know? he's one of two former cia contractors who came up with the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques and were paid more than $80 million to carry them
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out. though he will not admit that in public. my cnn colleague spoke with that man and joins me live from d.c. with the details. give me the lowdown on who it is we're talking about and why he won't publicly confirm what his role was when he's so defiant in terms of what he calls this report. >> good morning, ashleigh. i talked to james mitchell. he tells me he can't confirm or deny that he's the psychologist mentioned in that report because he has a nondisclosure agreement with the government. but he called the report, quote, a partisan pile of bull, the rest of that we can't use on television. but he also said when the interrogation program was operating, cia officials were running a gun battle with al qaeda, a group they knew very little about and the operatives did the best they could with the information they had at the time. >> so what about the notion that -- and the report was very clear about this whole set-up of
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a system being really novice or ill-prepared. and i'm using my own words to describe what a very large report said. but effectively that this was just badly put together by people who were unqualified. >> well, maybe it's not surprising that he did seem to defend these interrogation techniques. he said to me, quote, nothing was done to those detainees that aren't done to our servicemen and women by our own training programs. i think it's a national discussion. the administration and the people of the united states really have to ask themselves if whether in a situation like immediately after 9/11, they think it's a good idea to let them lawyer up. >> there are some very specific accusations in this report. you don't hear things like rectal rehydration being performed in training on american citizens or american service members. you don't hear of being hanged from a wall in temperatures that can lead to death.
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and you don't hear about seven days without sleep. are these lies, according to your source? >> well, when he talks about it, ashleigh, he says it was despicable to suggest that the men and women who put their lives on the line after 9/11 would lie to the senate or the president. and he said the report has a hindsight bias. he agrees with the cia's assessment. that this report is like playing tuesday's crossword puzzle with wednesday's answers. and he believes that democrats are smearing the memory of those who put their lives on the line protecting the country. so he has very strong feelings about what is in this report and how it's portrayed. >> and he's not the only one. chris, good work. thank you for that reporting. in light of such revelations as waterboarding, mock executions, as i said, rectal feeding, sleep deprivation, dungeon-like confinement, the question becomes, what then? what next? once it comes clean, what can or should the united states government be doing beyond saying, we won't do it again or
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we're sorry or, okay, we admit it, we did it? i'm joined now by paul callan and nick paton walsh thousands of miles from his usual beat in the world's most dangerous places. first to you, nick, the blowback, originally people thought leading up to the release of the report that this would be catastrophic for our service members. people were put on notice, positioned overseas they needed to be on high alert. our marines were being warned. did it feel that way? was it that way? is it that way or are we only at the tip of the iceberg? >> there is a real silence, frankly, from the usual groups you would expect to respond to something like this, partially because a lot of the details we kind of already knew. there are some barbaric things in there that are fresh but a lot of it was presumed to have happened in the middle east during this dark period in american history. we may see this being used in propaganda in the future. we may see it being used perhaps as justification for latter
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acts. but they're not going to attack when everybody's particularly ready for it. it hasn't materialized yet but it may pop up in the future. >> another question is, sure that list i mentioned was brutal, barbaric and ugly. i look at rectal feedings and loan and think, really? we did that? but isn't the truth that our enemies do much worse and perhaps they're looking at this report thinking, that's all you've got? >> there's no real sense and moral ambivalence in this. you can't lessen one moral wrong by another. but people judging this in the middle east are seeing such brutality that is off the scale compared to this. some of these details are only really knew. in the current climate, it's small re smaller. >> but it's turned into a political fight. this entire event is all about -- >> what about their scale of brutality? on their scale of brutality, how
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bad is that list? >> it's small. not to say it wasn't awful and terrible to the people it happened to. but in terms of what is happening in syrian jails, for example, on a daily basis, it doesn't really match up. >> paul, weigh in on the very simple question bandied out. it's a complex question but comes down to this -- actionable or not actionable? can people in high places who are architects be actually held accountable legally for this, right down to the people who actually carried out the pain and suffering? >> well, i'm betting in the long term, you're going to see some presidential pardons granted are just to make sure that no high-ranking american officials who handed down some of these orders are charged. i do think that it would be almost impossible to charge them in the united states. the statute of limitation has pretty much expired on all of these things. and the torture that we see in the report took place in foreign jurisdictions where, frankly, u.s. courts will not have
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jurisdiction. what people have to worry about, though -- talking about governmental officials involved in these programs -- are international actions taken against the united states. if somebody travels to poland or italy or egypt or some country that says, we have the right to make an arrest, you might get a high-ranking american official arrested abroad. that's going to cause problems for the u.s. going forward. one other thing i wanted to say, harkening back to what you were talking about, about how this is minor compared to what the terrorists have done. there were no beheadings listed in the report. >> but this isn't about murder, it's about leading up to murder. and in one case that's listed could be considered persomurder person who was left in fact cell to freeze to death. >> but terrorists dress their prisoners in jumpsuits, reminiscent of guantanamo. so they link it to the united states engaging in their own
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brutal activity. we're not on the same scale but they try to link it back to american brutality. >> and potentially these techniques could become a reality for future american prisoners. >> nick paton walsh, good to see you. nice to see you safe and sound and here in person. you do terrific work overseas. paul callan, as always, thank you both. for years, the american civil liberties union has been pushing for those in government responsible for the torture to be held accountable. now the aclu says, and paul just mentioned it, that president obama should issue pardons for president bush, vice president cheney and the cia director at the time and anybody else who may have allegedly authorized or overseen the enhanced interrogation program and everything that fell from it. i'm going to ask the aclu executive director why he thinks asking for pardons is the answer that he deems necessary. that's next.
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probably the last organization that you'd expect to advocate pardons for torture suspects is the aclu, the american civil liberties union. but after years of fighting to hold the bush administration to account for what occurred on those so-called black sites, the prisons overseas, the aclu has changed course, trying a different track now. and the executive director, anthony romero, joins me now to explain. i have to admit when i saw the headline of the piece that you wrote, pardon bush and those who tortured, i did a double take. >> it took a lot of people by surprise. >> right, because really everything that you did since -- by the way, what's remarkable,
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you took the helm of the aclu one week before 9/11. welcome to the job. >> yeah. i and bob muller both started the same day. >> and everything that you and your organization tried to do was hold people criminally accountable for these suspected and then reported-on tortures and what you call crimes. and now pardons? >> well, to be clear, we beleve that prosecutions is the way to go. ideally that's the world we would live in. we've been calling for that for over ten years. i remember sitting in the back of the confirmation hearings for roberto gonzalez, one of my lobbyists in washington saying, we have to call for special prosecutions. that genesis of that discussion came our campaign to ask for the accountability for torture, to prosecute the individuals we knew broke the law. it's really clear this many number of years in -- especially these many years into the obama administration, that they showed little appetite for prosecutions. the justice department inquiries and -- >> and eric holder called for a special prosecutor, ultimately
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came out of the investigation saying no laws technically were broken. >> yeah, but they weren't thorough. they didn't look at the full gamut of the issues. they didn't interview, for instance, as i understand it -- they have not said otherwise. they haven't interviewed one individual who was a victim of torture. it's really hard to imagine how you would have a thorough report investigation without talking to the victims of the crimes. >> that's what the republicans are saying right now. amazing you could have 6,000 pages without interviewed those being accused of these things. let me take a different attack to the ultimate goal of yours. what you're suggesting is by issuing pardons -- i'll throw the list out here, among others. but president bush, the cia, the national security council, the justice department -- >> name names. >> everybody on down, naming names, by issuing pardons, ultimately you're putting on the record that crimes occurred and putting anyone on notice going forward, you can't do this or
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else. >> what's most vexing is the fact that we have the president saying that torture happened. he's not pointing the finger at any criminals who committed torture. no one's been prosecuted. there's this great debate where you watch in the news yesterday and today saying, what we did was lawful, effective, necessary and even moral, some of those are making those arguments. >> that is an untenable situation because you say that torture shouldn't happen but yet you haven't held anyone accountable. and so the president has to make up his mind. he can't sit on the fence any longer and say, torture happened but there were no criminals who did the torture or authorized the torture. so by authorizing pardons, he jumps down squarely in the fact in saying, these were crimes. those who perpetrated and authorized the torture were indeed criminals. i'm going to pardon them in the spirit of moving forward -- >> pre-emptory pardons because no crime was committed -- >> yes. but he would send a clear signal saying, don't try this again,
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folks. these were indeed crimes. individuals who authorized and perpetrated the crimes are indeed criminals. >> i could talk to you all day about this. we didn't even get into the conspiracy charges that you suggest don't have a statute that's run out and the war crimes, the international war crimes as well. but i'm just running short on time for this moment. you'll have to come back. >> i will it's not going away. >> thanks very much. another story we're focusing on today, an investigation into a horrifying murder. a 19-year-old woman set on fire by the side of the road in rural mississippi. her parents are crying out for justice. wait until you hear what happened, wait until you hear what's happening. turn the trips you have to take,
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police in mississippi are trying to figure out who is the monster behind a horrific murder. a 19-year-old girl named jessica chambers was found burned from head to toe alongside a rural road. it happened on saturday night and when the first responders arrived on the scene, jessica was still alive. they tried to save her but it was too late. she died at the hospital. what makes this especially painful for her parents, this is the second child they have lost. about 2 1/2 years ago, jessica's big brother was killed in a car crash. martin savidge is live at the cnn center in atlanta. you read the details of this story, you cannot believe it could be true. do they have any leads? do they have any knowledge of how this happened and who did it? >> reporter: it is a horrific story. let's start there. they do have leads. and they do believe those leads
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are going to get them to the person who carried out this crime. let me explain how it began. 8:00 saturday night in rural mississippi outside the small town of courtland, population, about 500. a caller says, there's a car on fire. the volunteer fire department shows up on the scene and there they see coming out of the darkness, a horribly burned young girl. she staggers towards them, collapses and whispers something to one of the fire officials. and that is believed to be key to this investigation. unfortunately, even though they rendered aid, she died the very next day at a hospital in memphis. her family says it's believed an accelerant was used on her, poured down her throat, possibly up her nose. it is incredibly vicious. this is her father talking about the unimaginable. >> they said that as far as they
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could deal, they squirted fluid down her throat and up her nose because it was burned on the inside so bad. the doctor told us there wasn't nothing we could do. >> reporter: the authorities are trying to determine right now exactly what kind of accelerant was used. the state fire marshals involved in that investigation, possible they may call in the atf to assist. and the other big clue here could be her cell phone. cell phones, of course, can tell you who maybe the last person to call you was, was there a time connection between that call? how about text messages? is there something there to suggest? authorities do believe that between the phone and what she whispered, they will work this out. they think it is a local crime. but that does not downplay how horrible it is. >> martin, a couple of people questioned, right? they have brought people in, but so far, it's yielded nothing in terms of arrests? >> reporter: correct.
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they had a couple of things they looked at. they have talked to people, they've brought them in and questioned them. there have not been any arrests. there's a surveillance video that shows her about 90 minutes before the fire call. she's at a local mom-and-pop gas station getting something to drink. what happened in the hour and a half after that is where the focus of the time line investigation is right now. there were reports she was supposed to go to a party. however, those who were at the party say they didn't see her. so where did she go in the interim? >> our hearts go out to the chambers family. so awful those details. martin savidge, thank you for that. keep us posted. an ugly, ugly encounter with the police is caught on tape. >> [ bleep ]. >> a woman videotaping police officers as they are allegedly beating a man in custody. she tells them she has every
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the los angeles lakers, most of them, showed their solidarity with the nationwide support for the family of eric garner last night. if you take a close look, you don't even have to look so close, you can read it, "i can't
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breathe" on their warm-up t-shirts last night. more public protests are planned across the country today which also happens to be national human rights day. it's also a day that protest organizers are calling for a day of action, not only in honor of the garner and ferguson protests but everywhere that they say people need the world's support. one of those groups, the gathering for justice, is circulating a list of demands that they hope will gather enough support to be heard by new york authorities. among those demands, the firing of the police officers they say are responsible for eric garner's death in july. a special prosecutor to investigate all cases of deadly force by the police and a training program for all new york police officers aimed at reducing or wiping out alleged racial bias in the department. here's another one. an accusation of police
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mistreatment and it is all caught on camera. no one died in this case. but look at the words that are about to be on the right-hand side of your screen. we have a quote from a baltimore police officer to a woman who was recording an arrest with her cell phone. i want you to watch this and how the whole thing went down in baltimore. >> oh, yes. nobody can tell me i can't record. >> [ inaudible ]. >> you're telling me i can't record? on my phone? >> [ inaudible ]. >> okay, okay. i know i can record. >> [ inaudible ]. >> pull the car over. >> i'm pulling over. >> pull the car over right now. >> pull your car over.
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>> how can i pull my car over right here and the police right here? why would you do that? >> [ bleep ]. >> out of the car. >> are you serious? >> [ bleep ]. >> out of the car! >> are you saying -- >> put your hands behind your back! >> my hands are behind my back. are y'all serious? >> yes. >> [ bleep ]. >> you're a dumb [ bleep ], you know that? >> so that is how it went down. and the editing, believe me, was only for the adult language. here now, rochelle richie, a rt
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r reporter from our affiliate on what happened next. >> reporter: this is the latest video to shine a light on what some say is excessive force by baltimore police. >> the whole thing is heart-wrenching. it's just sort of -- it really just depicts their attitude. >> reporter: the video shot in march, just over two minutes long. the woman is recording the arrest of a man on the street. >> you're telling me i can't record on my phone? okay. >> reporter: police tell her she can record but yell for her to park. >> i'll park, i'll park! i'll park. i hear y'all saying this. >> pull the car over. >> how can i pull my car over right here and the police right here? >> reporter: attorneys say their client is smashed out of the car. >> [ bleep ]. out of the car! >> reporter: the woman, the kaurt daughter of a capitol police
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officer is tasered. >> you a dumb, [ bleep ], you know that? >> reporter: in a statement to wjz, police say during the arrest, language is used that is offensive and unacceptable. the baltimore police department expects and demands that officers treat every citizen with expect regardless of the situation. the woman is arrested and charged with using her vehicle to strike an officer. those charges have since been dropped. in this statement of probable cause, the officer says the woman accelerated towards another officer and he yelled for her to stop. but attorneys say the video and this probable cause statement do not match up. >> i have no reason to believe anything he wrote was correct. >> reporter: the attorneys say their client was left with cuts, bruises and a severe sprain. bull pen it's the emotional scars that are the hardest to heal. the woman's attorneys tell wjz the police actually deleted the video from her cell phone but her tech-savvy teenager found it
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in her icloud account. >> we have also heard from the woman's attorney now. he tells us he's not aware of any discipline against the baltimore police officers involved. we've also just heard this hour from that affiliate reporter you just saw, rochelle ritchie, who says the officers are still on the job as of this time. the woman's lawyer was told that the case has been referred to the state attorney's office. paul callan is back with me now and also joining the conversation is susan carton, a personal injury lawyer specializing in police brutality cases and wrongful deaths. right out of the gate, i know you've both had a chance to view the video it's hard to make out sometimes when it goes by you so quickly. susan, your initial response? >> unbelievable escalation of force for absolutely no reason. this woman is driving her car down. she stops. she takes a video out and all of a sudden this is escalating into calling her a dumb bitch. and if assaulting her -- i just
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don't know anymore how the police can justify these kinds of actions. we're going to see more and more of this because today people have cell phones and they record things and they are confronting police with what they're doing. so there has to be some training, not only of the police but some real guidelines as to what you do when this kind of situation happens to de-escalate it. >> and just one of the technical mentions in that was that the police confiscated her phone and when she got it back, the video she had taken that you just saw had been deleted. how do we see it on television? apparently it uploadeded to an icloud and was able to retrieve it. isn't that tantamount to obstruction of justice? >> it is. there's going to be a civil lawsuit for money damages for violation of her constitutional rights and the destruction of this evidence can be used against the police and against baltimore in the case. so in the end, that's going to prove to be a horrible move by these police officers. >> let me ask you this -- for so
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long where i've covered courtrooms. and i watch a universities police officer come in and testify on behalf of a prosecutor in some kind of a crime, oftentimes there is this elevated presumption of belief and truth and, i guess, just the benefit of the doubt that the juries will give them because they're authority figures and they're in uniform. but now we're seeing so much of this and it's taking a national stage. are we at a turning point? are we at a point where police are going to be having a tougher time proving their right or getting out of something when they're wrong? >> i think it's a real problem. i think when you are working on cases where you're picking a jury and there are going to be law enforcement officials coming to the stand, that's one of the biggest things we worry about is how the jury is going to perceive a police officer who may have to testify in a case, irregardless of whether it's a police brutality case. but in case.
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now there's such this doubtful truth-telling. in other words, they will not be getting the benefit of the doubt. i think when you go into a grand jury, yes, in a police brutality case, they do. but i think this is going to spin off to now any situation where a police officer is called to the stand and asked to tell the truth about a situation. >> last comment. >> you have to put it in perspective. fbi statistics indicate that there were 68 million encounters between police and civilians over the course of a year. >> 68 million. >> yeah. 2011, 12 million arrests. how many videos have we seen this year? three or four. it's a minuscule amount. most cops are out doing a good job. and it's unfortunately they're going to get besmirched by what these baltimore cops did. >> it's caused a great deal of pain and suffering as well. 68 million is a very significant representation. thank you both. i just received in my hands something from the baltimore police department. it's a statement.
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i want to read part of this for you. "internal affairs was made aware of the incident in april of this year and immediately began an in-depth investigation. the case was presented to the state's attorney's office for review to see if there were any criminal actions by the officers in the video. the review is still ongoing at this time. the video does not capture enough information to draw definitive conclusions about what transpired before and during the arrest. but what is clear is that the language used is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. " that's the statement from the police, clearly that story is not over. susan and paul, thank you both. appreciate it. i want to move to another story, one you'll see only here on cnn. the results of our year-long investigation into armed security guards in california, manicurists are required to get more training than armed guards. people who carry guns, yes. the wildly different rules state to state that let security
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guards carry guns with sometimes deadly consequences. that's next. will that be all, sir?
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to beat the system to become one of this country's hired guns. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin has the story. >> reporter: this man was gunned down in the parking lot of a miami strip club when he was shot and killed by an armed security guard. this is that guard, being brought into court, now charged with murder and facing a father who can't understand why his sun has been taken away from him. >> you murdered my son, man, for nothing! he was trying to get away from you. he was trying to get away from you, man, and you kept shooting him. you kept shooting him, man! you kept shooting him in his back. his back was turned to you, man. >> reporter: lucas shane kendall has a history of dui abuse, he
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was kicked out of the navy. after the shooting, the jail psychiatrist diagnosed him with antisocial personality disorder. and also unspecified schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorder. lucas kendall was fully licensed by the state of florida to hold a badge and a gun. >> you've got young security guards, they get any kind of opportunity to use their weapon, it's there. it's there. >> reporter: details of the shooting as chilling as the moment donald berg met his son's killer in court. kendall arrived on duty early, seen here in this surveillance video on that june night. berg and his friend were already sitting in their pick-up truck in the parking lot. kendall told police he thought they were rolling marijuana. he approached the truck and claims the two were looking
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menacing. one of the men threatened him, he says. and both car doors opened. kendall claims he felt his life was in danger and believed one of the men had a weapon. he fires at least 12 shots, hitting byrd eight times, including four shots in the back as byrd crawled under the truck. the shooting left byrd dead and michael smathers paralyzed. police say no gun, no weapon was found in that truck. kendall calmly called 911. >> there was a shooting at club rol-lexx. >> was anyone shot? >> yes. >> where is the gunman now? >> i'm the gunman. i'm a security officer. >> reporter: by and large, many security guards don't have arrest powers and don't report to the public.
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an investigation by cnn and the center for investigative reporting finds the armed security guard industry is kind of like the wild west when it comes to oversight. you can become an armed guard in 15 states with no firearms training. nine states don't bother to run an fbi criminal background check. 27 states don't even check to see if someone is banned by federal law from carrying a gun. you can like police officers, the requirements to become a licensed armed guard across the u.s. can be so lax, in kentucky, you can become an armed guard simply by arming yourself and calling yourself one. >> there's no training requirement, there's no licensing requirement. a security company simply needs a business license, just like the florist down the street has. but instead of selling flowers, they're selling guard service. >> reporter: these security
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investigation experts run a security guard training program. >> they need warm bodies to put on the street to make money by the hour. they don't want to have to go through all of the training procedures to wait to get that body out there. >> reporter: only four states require security guards to pass a psychological evaluation. florida is not one of them. byrd's mother, arlene, surrounded by his father and sister, believes florida granted an armed security guard license to a man who was crazy. >> he feels justified in saying that he was defending himself. >> he's sick. >> reporter: kendall could have been disqualified from becoming an armed guard for getting discharged from the navy after several alcohol-related offenses. but he didn't disclose that on his application and the state issued him a license. so who did hire lucas kendall?
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this man, belgrave arellano. drew griffin with cnn, how are you? >> good. >> reporter: why did you hire lucas? did you do any screening of him -- >> we're leaving right now. it's nice to meet you, though. have a great day. >> reporter: the byrd killing isn't the only case involving one of arellano's armed guards. two other lawsuits alleging that his guards were negligent have been settled. arellano's attorney says lucas kendall had all the required training and background checks when he was hired. but in florida, that's not much. security guards are required to attend one week of training and 3 1/2 more days to carry a gun. kendall told police it was self-defense and told the court he didn't want a lawyer. >> how is it that you expect to represent yourself?
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>> i refuse to participate in this charade. >> i would advise you to do things the easy way. you wanted a trial. >> i don't want a trial. this is a charade. >> okay. >> reporter: kendall has been ruled incompetent to stand trial. kendall's brother, kris, claims her son had no mental issues prior to the shooting. >> my son is the victim in this whole thing. he's been attacked in jail several times, beaten, ribs broken. he's had to have stitches on his face. they had to put him in isolation for longer than 15 months, isolation. nobody stays normal in isolation at that amount of time. >> reporter: it has been 2 1/2 years since arlene byrd's son was killed. the family is still waiting for a trial. >> my son was crawling underneath the truck trying to get away. and he stood there and continued to shoot.
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back with me on the set right now is senior cnn investigative correspondent drew griffin who's got this incredible story about the lack of oversight in the armed security guard industry. we were just going over some of these remarkable statistics. 15 states, no firearms training to be a security guard. nine states don't run an fbi criminal background check if you want to pack heat and be a security guard. 27 states don't check to see if someone is actually banned by federal law from being allowed to even carry a gun. away you go, you can pack heat, put your uniform on and protect the public. where is this going? >> where is this going and why should it be going? ashleigh, there are 1 million armed and unarmed security guards in this country. that's approaching nearly double the number of police officers we have. yet we don't have any kind of national standards. we don't have a national call for a background check. there have been no fewer than a dozen bills, state and federal bills, that have been attempted
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to try to get their hands around this or get some kind of background checks or training or some kind of mandatory requirements. they have all failed to date. >> what i can't figure out and can't get my head around, those states and how they codified their gun restrictions, gun carry restrictions. it doesn't seem like that would comport with carry laws. a lot of times you can't get a license let alone put on a uniform and carry it as part of a job. in one of your instances that's coming up in part two, you actually found a state in which a fellow was banned from actually possessing a gun and yet he was hired and got the license and got the gun and the job. >> right. and it shows the lack of balances and checks that these organizations have, these state organizations which issue these licenses to carry guns, armed guards, really they deal with it as if they're giving out a business license. so in this case, we have one guy who's legally in this state banned from possessing a gun,
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that same state in another building is issuing him an armed guard license. and the consequences, as you can imagine, are just horrific. >> the piece is great. you and your team are so stellar in what you've uncovered. let's remind everyone of the veterans affairs you've uncovered this year alone. drew, thank you. quick promo for your second part that's going to air 8:00 eastern time tonight on "a.c. 360." that's drew's second part of hired guns. drew, thank you. thanks for watching, everyone. good to have you with us. my colleague, wolf blitzer, starts after a quick break. i lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesn't hold me back. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. non-24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70% of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-844-2424.
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