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america, the majority of the united states internet customers pay more than their counter-parts in europe and arab. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. coming from amman, jordan. we will see you next week in new york. when in fact the war was 1,000 miles off sea. since then a bunch more. the liberal media, a long time o'reilly foe claims he lied when
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he said he saw nuns getting shot in the head covering conflict in el salvador. he clarified he saw images of nuns shot. later in the week fox same defense "washington post" questioned o'reilly claim about northern ireland. a lot of other staffers say that's not true and sounds like an overstatement. so all of those claims we're going to explore responses and whether this matters for o'reilly or not. his ratings are up this week. first let's honey in on one other or riley story.
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this about his time in dallas as a young reporter in the 1970s. working on jfk's investigation, trying to tract down former friend of lee harvey oswald. the man's name was schmidt. i think i'm getting that wrong. we'll check it. here is what he wrote about in his best selling book "killing kennedy." this is from page 300. reporter traced him to palm beach, florida and confronted him. as he knocked on the door he heard the shotgun blast assure his relationship with lee harvey oswald would never be understood. by the way, that reporter's name lee harvey oswald. he wrote he was outside the house in florida when he heard the fatal gunshot. he said basically the same thing on fox news while promoting his book. but o'reilly wasn't there. remarkably there's an audiotape from that very day of a phone
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call from o'reilly and investigator names fonzy. the widow let him hear the tape. it speaks for himself. so listen. >> i'm bill o'reilly. something definitely did happen. >> i got it. >> what is it? >> he committed suicide here what i was trying to locate him. >> okay. where is that? >> it's a place called manday lapan. palm beach county. >> so i committed suicide, he's dead. >> yes. >> what time? >> i don't know. >> gun? >> i think he shot himself. >> jesus christ. >> isn't that something? jesus. >> we've bought to get this guy -- i'm coming down there tomorrow. i'm coming to florida. we've got to get this guy. he knows what happened. >> i'm going to be up there trying to secure the papers. >> all right. i'm going to get in there tomorrow. i'm going to get a car. will you leave a number at your house where i can reach you?
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>> the only way, call the magazine. >> okay. okay. now, i'm going to try to get a night flight out of here if i can. i might have to go tomorrow morning. let me see. >> so it seems pretty clear o'reilly says i'm coming to florida. but in his book he says he was already there. so how does he explain this? he hasn't. at least not yet. i checked in with fox news this morning. they referred me to the publisher of the book which said repeatedly for the past few days they stand by o'reilly. credit goes to the man who first pointed this out two years ago. he's here in new york. he's auditor editor. thank you for being here. i butchered goern's name. who is he? tell me about the characters in the story. >> he was a rack onon tur, introduced to lee oswald.
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they had just come from minsk. they became friends for a few months. >> when he killed himself it was a significant story. o'reilly said he was there. clearly this tape shows he was not there. you found this tape a couple years ago. you received it from the family. you contacted fox about it? >> yeah. >> what happened? >> no answer. >> so basically they ignored it. >> yeah. when i read the book i thought, that doesn't sound right. i knew other reporters had been there. i checked the books. i checked fonzy's book the story on the tape that he received a phone call from that o'reilly that night. gaeton has the tape?
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he said i taped all the conversations. that's when i did the story. >> you published a lower quality version of recording, we were able to get higher quality version. pretty clear, says he was going to come to florida, wasn't there at the time. do you think this matters for bill o'reilly. >> he's an entertainer, popular because of his point of view. a lot of people listen to him and take what he's saying on faith. i think especially on something like this bill o'reilly did not here a gunshot from 1200 miles away. he made this up. >> makes you wonder whether the publisher of the book questioned him and brought it done. >> i don't think there's fact checking done on a lot of books these days. it's an important story also because the jfk story is important. people care about it. people are interested in it. george's memoir was published this year. people care about this story. >> facts do matter especially in this story. >> that's why we did it.
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we're not out to get bill o'reilly. on jfk facts we have left wing, right wing libertarian, moderate. partisan politics don't divide us. our mission is not to get bill o'reilly. our mission is to sort bad from good on the kennedy assassination. he's not a reliable narrator based on this story he made up. >> i think what you said is important. the fact is he may be an entertainer, he says he's a journalist. he commits acts of journalism all the time. people take what he says and believe him. a broader controversy for ten days questioning past stories, have to apply critical thinking skills we apply to everything else to bill o'reilly. you can't watch o'reilly show and turn off your brain and turn it back on when every other show is on. we have to have critical across the board. >> this business fox is putting out people ganging up on bill
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o'reilly. nobody is ganging up on bill o'reilly. we wanted the story? >> why do you think he's not responding to this particular claim? >> this isn't morally o'reilly saying this is wrong. this is o'reilly saying he was there. this is a point of view. he can say he's not the person making that phone call or whatever that's why he's not talking about it. this isn't between me and him. this is between him and himself. >> jefferson, thank you for being here. appreciate your help. jefferson has not been the target of o'reilly's wrath yet. i say yet for a reason. the fox host has gone on the attack against others questioning his ability like me and like the reporter who first scrutinized the story mother jones editor david corn. >> an irresponsible gutter snipe, far left zealot attacked fox news many times before spit the stuff out on the net. you know what nothing is going to happen to david corn. jones and far left websites couldn't care less about the truth. they are in the business to injure.
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this is a political hit job. >> o'reilly called corn a piece of garbage who should be in the, quote, kill zone. earlier this week when "new york times" reporter emily steel talked to o'reilly on the phone covering this controversy this happened. o'reilly told steel there would be repercussions if he felt any of her coverage is inappropriate. quote, i am coming after you with everything i have mr. o'reilly said you can take it as a threat. steel declined to be here this morning. she's letting her story speak for itself. there's a history of this kind of behavior. i think you at home should know about it. fox is unique o'reilly is unique. amanda knows about it because o'reilly's shop attacked her. she's with the "washington post" and with me this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> a lot of times this week around o'reilly's threats to reporters, you experienced it many years ago and came away feeling you were ambushed? >> oh, absolutely. so i had written a critical post
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about bill o'reilly regarding some comments he made about a woman being raped. he seemed to place the rape in part on her. about three weeks later when i was on a weekend vacation in virginia a couple outside outside washington kk, d.c. i saw two men with fox news camera run across the street as i was leaving my hotel asking me why i was hurting rape victims and causing hurt and suffering. bill o'reilly had not reached out to me. this was a complete surprise when i was on vacation. >> let's go ahead and play part of that clip. 2009 on the o'reilly factor. >> wrote a blog about bill o'reilly speaking for this rape function this charity group and you attacked him personally and attacked the foundation and you brought a lot of pain and suffering to this group. what's your reaction? >> what i remember writing was highlighting a comment that bill o'reilly had said and that's what i remember doing. i don't remember attacking the foundation. >> is the trick here amanda to put someone on the defense?
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>> yes. i mean if bill o'reilly really wanted a statement from me if he wanted to have a discussion he would have reached out to me first to get a comment or have me on his show. he said he did that but he never did that. what he wanted because i wasn't the first ambush victim he wants to make you look stupid. you're caught off-guard. he went to people -- he sent his producers to ambush people when they are out getting mail getting out of their cars. this is when people are not at the top of their game not thinking about work necessarily. the producers cut up the clips, take your quotes out of context and it's meant to make you look silly. >> on the bottom of the screen during the segment about you it said far left blogger. i don't think anyone would mistake you for a far right blogger but do you think, amanda there's an attempt to delegitimatize anyone who is not on the same quote, unquote, team as bill o'reilly and fox? >> bill o'reilly's whole thing culture warrior, pinhead and patriots.
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in many ways these things help bill o'reilly's image. he's out fighting the fight against pin heads, fighting culture wars and going after people on the far left and people who disagrees with him. it's important to note i didn't tell anyone where i'm going this week. i didn't say i was going to this hotel, broadcast it to my friends. fox news never answered my inquiries about how bill o'reilly's producers found me. in retrospect we remember a car following us. you're not paranoid at the time this car is following us. so our best guess is found my home address and followed us for a couple hours until i came out of my hotel, which is pretty unsettling. at the time i lived alone. i just realize how vulnerable you can be. >> let me show the statement fox news put out earlier. they reiterated this morning. this is sort of their blanket response to any questions about o'reilly. it says bill o'reilly addressed several claims against him. this is nothing more than an orchestrated campaign against far left advocates mother jones and media matters responding to
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unproven du jour fox news maintains staunch support of o'reilly who is no stranger to calculated onslaughts. how would you translate that statement from fox. >> like you said earlier, fox news is standing behind him. this is all part of the conspiracy against bill o'reilly and this is helping him. bill o'reilly does best when he's going to war against someone. right now it's basically him and the rest of the media, whether mother jones or "new york times" or other pinhead journalists. bill o'reilly is there and making sure all these far left journalists or bloggers aren't going after -- sort of taking down the america he loves so much. so i think fox news right now likes a lot of the attention bill o'reilly is getting. >> amanda i don't think you sound like a pinhead but i appreciate you being here and trying to break it down for us. thank you. >> great. thank you. >> another person who knows what
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it's like to be on the wrong side of o'reilly is senator al franken. when i interviewed him about net neutrality. i asked to him about someone he called bill olieley. >> there's controversy from the past the biggest story, do you think bill o'reilly has been embellishing reporting of his past. >> i really haven't been following this. it wouldn't surprise me but i haven't been following this controversy. >> you say it wouldn't surprise you. is that because you wrote the book 10 years ago, 12 years ago at this time lies and the lying liar who tells them. o'reilly was on the cover back then. they tried to take you to court because he wanted to use the phrase "fair and balanced." >> that was basically just a misunderstanding. i guess the misunderstanding was
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that fox didn't understand that satire was protected speech even if the object of the satire didn't get it. >> even last week o'reilly called you perhaps the biggest liar i've ever known. what is it like to be on the receiving end of o'reilly attacks? >> you know what it doesn't register. we have a lot of very important business before us in the united states senate. we're trying to fund the department of homeland security. that's the kind of stuff i need to focus on and do. >> what a diplomatic response from senator franken there. i'll have more from senator franken later in the hour plus crater of "house of cards," editor in chief of buzzfeed and the tv producer who is suing comcast and al sharpton for $20 billion. all of them are coming up this hour. we're also going to stay on this fox news story because my next guest says revelations about
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o'reilly are actually making fox stronger. this autumn requires all requires a whole new understanding of media. you've got to hear what he means right after this. ♪ how did i set a new personal record today? i started with a test run. then i got a solid night's rest in a great room. and before i hit the road, i hit the breakfast bar where i got my fuel for the next 26 miles. great endings begin here. and now when you choose choice twice, get a night at no price
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fox's bill o'reilly they are both tv news stars and they are both being scrutinized for exaggerating stories, puffing themselves up placing themselves in the center of world events. but there are big differences between the two. for one thing, most of the
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o'reilly claims are decades old from a time he was a beat reporter. here is the biggest difference of all, how nbc and fox handled controversies. williams as we know apologized and was suspended. he's on the bench another five and a half months. o'reilly is still on the air and fox is staunchly defending him. why? you might say because fox news plays by different rules. it doesn't see itself as part of the mainstream media. you might say it's a cable news channel, clearly a part of the media. fox would differ. fox refers to itself as outsider real truth teller antidote to biased mainstream media. fox portrays it receives's self as anti-mainstream. >> nice to be on with a far left guy like you. >> far left zealot. we should get into why he tries to do that tar people like that whether it should be
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tarring to say people are on the left or the right. one of the concerns about this story in the last nine or ten days, doesn't seem like there's an honest broker o'reilly would look at and say you're right. okay. you're calling me out and fair. he doesn't think any is fair whether in the "washington post" or cnn or elsewhere. >> the reason for that is fox news styles itself as people who don't believe the rest of the news media. that formula requires a kind of constant tension or even a state of war between fox and the others who are trying to report on fox. >> it's important for us to understand that isn't it? among other things that's a business calculation. when o'reilly says you can't trust the media, he's also saying you've got to only watch fox and stay tuned to fox. >> yes, a business media, business decision. it's a programming strategy. it's also a cultural strategy because it appeals to people who wanted to yell at their
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television set all those years before they discovered that fox news could do the yelling for them. i think that's why you see such a difference in response between mainstream media like nbc and fox is the whole idea of fox is trust us they can't be trusted. >> and we saw this week some people asking why isn't fox having an investigation the way nbc is continuing to have an investigation into broin williams. that's a category error to equate brian williams and bill o'reilly. they are in two different ponds, two different oceans. >> well first of all, fox is a niche program. it's for a group of people alienated from the rest of the news media. it's also wedge programming, wedge politics the idea is to divide the audience grab hold of the part that agrees with you. so it require this constant
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state of battle and warfare with the mainstream. i think also we have to keep in mind that for nbc, even though its audience is smaller than decades past it's still trying to appeal to everyone. it's trying to be a consensus view of the world and fox is not trying to do that. it's trying to gain intense loyalty among a segment of the audience. >> let me reed from "usa today" editorial. fox should distance itself from its truth challenged employee. distance itself. but that's not likely to happen. having common enemies matters more than factual detail. that's why fox left a canyon wide gap between its standards and those of nbc. that's exactly what you're saying as well. i just wonder is there any chance they would distance themselves from o'reilly? >> not at the moment. i think people often advise me to see o'reilly as an
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entertainer, but i think more accurate to say he's kind of performance artist. >> performance artist. >> yes. his medium is television. the genre is resentment news. what makes it go is his performance every night in shooting down liberals and expressing the anger and resentment that a certain portion of the country feels towards another portion of the country. and since his aim is so true in that he hits that chord, his stories don't have to be true. >> meanwhile o'reilly back at work tomorrow but keith olbermann has been suspend add few days. he's going to be back tomorrow but he was suspended last week due to tweets he posted about penn state students. there's a famous rivalry between the two of them. let me show you what olbermann said, longish story. he called the students pitiful and sent this tweet. i'd like to thank alums proving the point about mediocrity of
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education and ethics. espn said that was completely inappropriate. he apologized. he returns to espn tomorrow. in some ways are these two guys peas in a pod, olbermann and o'reilly? >> yes. even at espn if you divide the audience offend a portion of the office that's problem. at fox news if you divide the audience and offend a portion of it, that's not a problem, that's a programming strategy. >> programming strategy. thanks for being here. appreciate talking with you. appreciate the time. there was yet another media personality in the news this week. that's al sharpton. a new lawsuit claims his deal with parent company is keeping other african-american companies from getting business. entertainer turned businessman behind the suit will join me next.
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one of america's most prominent outspoken civil rights activists. now al sharpton with comcast and time-warner cable are facing a $20 billion lawsuit against alleged racial discrimination against black owned companies. ceo of entertainment studios a little the comcast gave al sharpton that show on msnbc for which he's been paid $750,000 per year despite notoriously low ratings and in exchange for continued public support for comcast on issues of diversity. it all sounds kind of convoluted. i want to get to the bottom of it. joining me in los angeles is byron allen. >> thank you for having me. >> this case getting a lot of coverage i've heard from comcast and i'll read their comment in a minute. tell me the one-minute version of what you're alleging? >> real simple. the cable industry, at turkey&tat&t
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time-warner, they spend licensing and advertising less than $3 million a year going to 100% african-american owned media. that they do is make token donations to people like al sharpton naacp, urban league and after taking those negotiations negotiate a fraudulent mau that says this is okay for black people to live by. what america needs to understand al sharpton does not speak for me. al sharpton does not speak for black people. it's like i ask, who is the white person that speaks for you. it's racist to think al sharpton is the go to black person. shame on you, sony you sit down with al sharpton and that ne gates your racist e-mails about president obama. it's real simple. these token donations they make to him, as reported in the "new york post," allows them to have
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racial cover. this is why we're not getting enough advertising, or any advertising from mcdonald's and coca-cola and chrysler and general motors and at&t. they don't spend any money with african-american owned media. something that's very alarming at&t spent more money on al sharpton's lavish 60th birthday than they spent on ebony magazine the biggest african-american magazine in america, around 70 years, 10 million readers per month, at&t spent only $30,000 on that magazine. walmart has given money to al sharpton. walmart doesn't spend any money in ebony magazine and they barely do business with me in a long-term partnership and i'm constantly going back and forth with walmart and chrysler as well. so he is the least expensive negro. don't really do business with the real african-american owned companies. >> you realize how that sounds. when you say that about al
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sharpton -- >> the numbers are actual. just follow the money. don't do business with real african-american owned companies, make a token -- give him 50,000 and a bucket of chicken and we're good. we won't have any problems with real african-american owned media. you should not be -- chrysler you shouldn't be giving him money and not people like me and stevie wonder radio station in los angeles. >> are you trying to shake them down the same way filing this lawsuit? >> no no no. brian, let's define a shakedown. he doesn't give anything in return. i am a legitimate businessman. i am one of the largest producers of television and media in the world. i have 36 televisions on the world and 24/7 hd networks. they are not let us participate in the $50 billion they spend on licensing and advertising. there's a very big difference. he's the shakedown. i'm the legitimate entrepreneur.
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>> we're showing some of your programs now. let me read comcast's response. it's important to hear their side. they say this represents nothing more than a string of inflammatory inaccurate and unsupported allegation. we're proud of our outstanding record supporting and fostering diversion programming. we will defend rigorously against scurrilous allegations in this complaint and fully expect the court will dismiss them. sharpton has not commented on the record. do you have a question for him or a thing you'd like to address about this? >> no. al sharpton is not important. he's nothing more than a black pawn in a very sophisticated white economic chess game. he's being used by his white masters at comcast and at&t. he just needs to shut up and get in the bleachers. what we have to do is get corporations to understand you must include african-american owned media. we have to stop if anything genocide against black community. >> you understand how offensive this sounds to someone like al sharpton.
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>> i'm not worried about his feelings. i'm more focused on getting corporate america to understand it's time to do business with us. and president obama. president obama has been bought and paid for. he has taken donations from comcast. comcast is his biggest contributor. at&t is one of his biggest contributors. obama, your own ftc is investigating at&t for throttling. how can you even consider them to buy directv when you're seeing them. is it because you took donations? yes, obama. don't even think about letting them merge until they settle this lawsuit and that lawsuit. comcast got caught -- >> sounds to me like your main issues here are about the mergers, comcast time-warner cable and at&t directv. >> brian, let me be clear. my main issues about economic inclusion for achlts. comcast software slowed down video on the web in 2008. they broke federal laws. that's like me robbing the bank
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and after getting out on probation saying i want to be president of the bank. i'm very proud of what obama has done for gay community, i'm pried he achieved gay marriage. if you can do that you can include all americans, especially african-americans who have been left the furthest behind. obama you bailed out the banks. the banks you bailed out don't even make commercial loans to african-americans. obama, you bailed out the car companies. those car companies don't ties with people like me and ebony magazine. obama controls $2 billion advertising, join the army navy marines. we as african-americans do not receive -- >> consolidation. >> brian, no you're not hearing me. listen to me carefully. my concern is african-american. >> i hear advertising with independent media, these are issues about media consolidation. i understand you're making these racial points about how they affect african-american communities and businesses.
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>> it's not just me. >> we'd like to hear from sharpton as well on this and hopefully we can in the future. we do appreciate you being here this morning and telling us about the suit. >> okay. obama, do the right thing. >> time for a quick break here. when we return something a little lighter, this dress. you know what i'm talking about. the question of its color sent the internet ablaze. when we come back the designer of this record breaking debate is here. don't go away. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth...'s fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums.
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all right. let's face ittish this dress needs no introduction. thanks to buzzfeed it blew up the internet friday night. white and gold or black and blue. it's back and blue. in fact i wore black and blue for the occasion. it's all in good fun. it revealed something pretty important how our media works. the dress post broke our traffic records with 670,000 people on
8:42 am simultaneously. 670,000 people. that's roughly how many people are watching this show right now. websites can get that big nowadays at the same time. what media lessons can we learn from the dress seen around the world? binge back cable news analogy buzzfeed gets tens of millions hundreds of millions a month. it felt like saturation coverage like cable news does. >> there's a broadcast quality to the web. there's a mass scale. i don't know is it the web or real life where i'm showing you my phone or showing my kids my phone. >> internet but sounds like real life. >> a world event with physical object. i think those things -- this was a moment of seeing this blur. >> i was on a plane when this happened. it did happen took over twitter. >> least important but most fun. >> people on the plane following
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along, too. we talked about it in real life getting off the plane. it brings people together i suppose. >> certainly the way we think about content, what it does in the world, it connects people makes them life creates this great conversation. >> 79% of the views of the article were on mobile devices. what does that mean about the future. >> i think it the present, not the future. certainly the way we think of our readers. >> you wrote this the next day. you said what happened is the world moved toward us. what might have a few years ago ben a world culture phenomenon is just a phenomenon. the distinction between the two isn't intelligible. you're saying it's a life you can't separate for better or worse. >> mobile this intimate device is with you all the time. the things you're reading and talking about are on it to some degree what's on that line. >> you get them in the house for
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the dress and they will stay for foreign affairs. is that the idea. >> part of the idea. we don't try to mix spinach with brownie. we do foreign affairs for people who love that. a big overlap with people who love the dress but not 100%. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> the dress illustrates culture of the internet. coming up i want to tell you how the internet might be like social security. yes, there is a connection and senator al franken is next. we're talking about that war for net neutrality. a war far from over despite the headlines. we'll go behind the headlines next. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years.
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>> don oliver must be a pretty happy guy this morning. take a listen to this. >> net neutrality is actually hugely important. essentially it means that all data has to be treated equally
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no matter who creates it. it's why the internet is a weirdly level playing field. startups can't supplant brands, facebook supplanted myspace, monster, which supplanted actually having any friends. >> oliver has a lot of friends. this generated millions of problems for the regulatory fkc president obama got behind the idea broadband should be regulated like a utility with all the consumer protections that come with that. a few moments ago president obama spoke out and this week democrats in charge of fcc agreed with the president adopting a whole set of rules to ensure what oliver said there, all websites had to be treated equally, net netflix or a small startup that challenges net netflix. they are predicting years of court battles. comcast says it's going to have to reexamine broadband because of regulation. supporters of the new rules say
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that's empty bluster. earlier i talked with al franken, democrat from minnesota. he immediately cautioned >> well it was a big win for those of us who have been fighting to preserve net neutrality. we are going to have to stay individual lent on this. >> our internet didn't suddenly change on thursday. we are still getting the same connections at home. will we ever notice the rules go into effect and believe they will be upheld in court? >> i believe they will be upheld in court. this is about nothing changing. net neutrality has been the architecture of the internet from the very beginning. it's about all content on the internet being treated the same. over 4 million americans submitted comments to the fcc, more than double the number of comments that have ever been submitted to the fcc on any
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other issue. vast vast majority for continuing net neutrality against this fast lane slow lane paid pryor tieization. >> are we at the point where the internet is the third rail of american politics like social security you can't touch it because americans care about it too much? >> i think we saw that here. i think a lot of people were surprised by this overwhelming public opinion for preserving that neutrality. i think there was an attempt to say, oh this is too complicated. this is very technical. you will never understand it. people get it. >> when you hear comcast talk about re-evaluating investment plans for broad band do you hear it as an empty threat or is it possible companies like comcast, at&t and verizon are going to spend less to give us
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better broad band? >> i consider it bluster. that's a good word for that. >> senator franken, thank you for being here i appreciate it. >> you bet. when we come back is frank underwood different than you or i? the creator of netflix "house of cards" joins me in a moment. breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone so you can breathe and sleep shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right.
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show. maybe the president is watching "house of cards" this weekend along with the rest of us. i met up with the show's creator and he told me why he thinks journalists relate to the plot. >> i think it's cool a lot of politicians like the show. they themselves aren't necessarily murderers or self-serving or power hungry like francis is. they take it with a grain of shot. most politicians are good people. i think there's a certain vicarious enjoyment. sometimes i wish i could be like that go to the lengths he goes to. that would be liberating. i think there's also a notion of do the ends justify the means. >> do fans surprise you? >> the biggest surprise was when
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president obama tweeted the eve of season two launch. >> tomorrow "house of cards," no spoilers. >> we wonder. of course you are curious, has anyone in the white house watched it. we weren't about to call up and say, hey, have you checked it out? it was surprising and thrilling to think they took 13 hours out of his schedule to watch what we have made. >> my sense is this is not an easy situation for president underwood. >> no. at the end of season two, it was tough to get there. a lot of casualties along the way that he was part of an administration that was mired and scandaled. he doesn't see himself as scandal. he sees himself in a world in which it's highly competitive, cut throat. hunt or be hunted. he's got the best leadership to
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be offered. as a journalist journalists in the purest sense are truth seekers. they have a desire. a hunger to find the truth and share it with the rest of the world. they also know the power of that truth. it could lead to a pulitzer or front page byline. you have to tap into this ambition on the other end of the spectrum. i think we are seeing the most extreme version of frank underwood in all of us. so often, we face odds insurmountable in our lives. it can be inspiring to see there are no odds too big to overcome. >> you can watch more of my interview on finally, a word about a powerful voice and advocate for diversity in journalism. for years, he was head of
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journalism education. she died tuesday. she wanted our news rooms to treat all voices equally. we dedicate this program to her. check us out on stay tuned, "state of the union starts right now. drums beats of a coup at the u.s. capitol as a political firestorm rages around the israeli prime minister's speech to congress. this is "state of the union." house speaker john boehner's job could be in jeopardy. senator dianne feinstein and former israeli ambassador michael oren on the ripping causing speech to congress. former governor rick perry repoots for 2016. good morning from washington, i'm dana bash. chaos in congress. most of you are so unfortunately used to hearing that you're probably rolling your eyes right about now, but the drama i watched unfold in the capitol friday night was different.