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h on selma. now half a century on how much has changed. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon, and this has got to make you wonder if america's really made any progress at all on race. ♪ [ bleep ] ♪ [ bleep ]. >> it's disgusting. i'll talk exclusively to the oklahoma sooners star line backer he's outraged by them chanting the n word among other things. also protests after a young
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black man is shot by a white officer. and the latest on the shug night murder case. we have a lot to get to tonight, but i'll going to begin with the sigma epsilon racist video. joining me the president of the university of oklahoma. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. i want to play the video that started all of this and i'm going to get your reaction to it. >> there will never be a [ bleep ] at usc. ♪ there will be a [ bleep ] at sae. >> everyone was flabbergasted when they saw that video. what was your reaction? >> i was angered. i was outraged and saddened. because we've worked so hard to create a real sense of family and community on our campus.
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and 99.9% of our students really care about each other, they really respect each other. and then to have a small number of people do that it was unbelievable that could have occurred with ou students. sooners are not racists, they're not biggots, they're people who respect each other and care about people. and for the sake of our students as well as for the values that are represented here when someone happens that is so contrary to the values of our university i thought we had to take action decisive action and take it immediately. >> you said a small number of people. there are people who have come on cnn and other broadcasts saying these are just a small number of people who were caught. that this is pervasive throughout the greek system not only in oklahoma but across the country. and that many of the leaders in those campuses have turned a blind eye to it. they just happened to be caught. >> well, i think that it is
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happening all across our country. i agree with you. it's not just colleges and universities. it's ferguson missouri it's all sorts of elements of our society are involved. and i think the only way you stop it the only way you put a stop to it is have zero tolerance when it is found out. clearly, i think some of our students wanted this exposed. they wanted this video out there, and i've asked them to please let me know when there are other things like this that happen. but if we're ever going to snuff this out in the whole country, let alone on college campuses we have to have zero tolerance and we have to act right away. this particular fraternity is off the campus it is thrown off. it's going to stay off. they have to have their belongings out of their house by tomorrow. >> do you think the members should be expelled? >> i think you have to be very careful about looking at individual cases. but if we can find out who's responsible, we're going to do our best to either suspend, or to expel, under the federal law.
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we're examining the 1964 civil rights act right now, title 6. and we're trying to determine if we have enough evidence and if we can meet the federal standards to prevail in court. and if so we'll take action. and i think some of the students themselves may take themselves off the campus and i hope they do. because this is not a place that wants racists or biggots on our campus or will tolerate it. so i think you have to send a very strong signal. there's no excuse for that. they have to settle things across the country, jokes that are made off-hand remarks that are made in conversation, we have to start challenging everywhere we are. we have to really start challenging. >> i think you're right. listen i went to college down south and it was segregated. there were no students of color involved in the greek system, fraternities or sororityiessororities. they had to start their own, the
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black fraternities or the asian fraternities. people say that's still prevalent today. why is that even allowed to occur in this day and age? >> well it shouldn't happen. at the university of oklahoma i can name several fraternities where that's not the case where we have very diverse fraternities both racially diverse, and diverse in other ways. and sororities as well. one of our most prominent sororityies on the campus had an african american president two years ago. and so that's beginning to change. thankfully. but there's still some bad actors. there seems to be a culture in some of these fraternities and it has to be snuffed out. we're working with a group of students who are calling for change and who are bringing ideas to me on our campus. there are group of african american students called
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unheard. they're very constructive. they have very good ideas and we're going to make it better. we're simply determined to make it better. >> you took quick action in denouncing this and we thank you for joining us here on cnn. >> thanks for having me. >> the oklahoma sooners football team marched against racism today. there you see them locked hand in hand in response to that n word-laden fraternity video. they didn't say n word. the word they were saying was niggar. that's what they were saying we'll never have a niggar in sae. you were outraged when you heard and put out a video? >> yeah. i was angered. i was outraged. and kind of had a video that
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quickly showed my anger, but like i said i apologize for the prof anity, but i'm not apologizing about how i felt because that's how i felt in my heart. >> let's let our viewers look at the video and we'll let you talk about it a bit more. here it is. >> [ bleep ]. sae [ bleep ], all you white fraternities! [ bleep ]. >> you said these are the same people same mfers who are shaking your hand when you win a football game. >> yes. >> you feel betrayed? >> before we get started on questions, i just want to state here i'm speaking amongst all athletes here at the university. not just black, not just football players, this is everybody that i'm speaking for
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and, you know as athletes here we agree with president borne that we shouldn't tolerate that type of behavior here and it shouldn't be accepted. and david borne has taken the right steps to act severely towards the behavior that we saw in the video, and we have -- it was such a bad reflection on the people here. so many nice people great people here in oklahoma. >> is that your statement -- >> and that put a bad rep on the university. >> is that your statement, that it doesn't reflect everyone on the football team? >> this is from all athletes. we got together and you know like i said there's so many great people here. >> but people will understand why you felt so betrayed after you -- all the athletes anyone
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who goes there, white or black, you go out on the field, out on the court and you play because you want to put a good -- you want your team to win, you want the university to be viewed in a good light and then to have something like this, it really goes against all of your hard work. so you must feel betrayed by this? >> right. and we all do. and i did, you know that's the sad part about it. you know that really hurts. these guys some of them not all of them that feel this way after the game smiling, taking pictures with us shaking our hands, giving us hugs. and the fact that some of them feel that way behind closed doors when we're not around really really you know hurts, hurts us. >> but they're saying they would rather have a black person be hung from a tree than to join their dumb fraternity. i mean come on. everyone is going on about the n word about them saying niggar
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but i think hanging someone from a tree is much more serious than a word that doesn't really -- right? >> right. and i think that was one of the -- i agree -- one of the sad parts and bad parts about the whole chant, is the hanging from the tree thing. you know here in 2015 i thought we were way past the hanging from a tree thing. just that chant, that it exists in 2015 it's sad, you know to hear. >> do you think the school has done enough because i asked president borne, if leaders around the country, including at ou if they were turning a blind eye to this how could they -- how could university leaders around the country not know that this is pervasive in many fraternities among the greek system? do you think the university is doing enough? do you think the university had warning before? they should have known?
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>> um well i think it's blatant, it's straight it's out there. and i'm not saying that it hasn't happened before but this is something that really extreme. not saying the little things that happened before should get pushed under the rug. but we believe president borne is taking the right actions in investigating and doing the right thing. more than just suspensions and expelling these students. the people who were responsible for it the people on the bus. this is how we feel. that action should take -- students should get expelled that had a lot to do with that the ones on the bus. >> what would you say to the guys on the bus if you had a chance to say your peace? >> well you know just that you know i'm not, you know, i'm angry that you know that, you know, that that happened, but i think to move forward, the
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ignorance come from us not knowing each other and really integrating us as athletes or minorities you know working with them getting to know them somehow, to know that we're all people we're all equal. this is not one characteristic that one race has. you know we all are different people doesn't matter what race or creed. but, you know i just hope that this is a hard lesson for them. i hope they learn from it. if anything i hope they change and see that us as african americans are not, you know some evil type people, to even say that about us. >> i want you to listen to us. this is the president of the black students association on another program, i believe it was fox earlier. take a listen. >> it is not smart to fight hate with hate.
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it is only logical to fight hate with love and to show that right now, i forgive them and i hope that we can take this experience and not -- hopefully they don't turn this into more hate against our community, but as a time to learn and grow and i want to see them, i invite them to come meet with us and learn from us and learn why that was offensive, so they can maybe get a better understanding and not pass this on to future generations. >> what do you think? can you forgive them? do you think he's right? >> i mean i agree. we shouldn't fight hate with hate. you know that's not the way to get it done. you know and the way we see it is putting things in that allow everybody to know you know about different cultures, native african americans, all these cultures where they learn, you know learn our history, and how we operate as people and where we came from. i think that's imperative that
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we come up with something and we're working on it to get, you know everybody all in you know and us working with each other. we can't fight hatred with hatred. we can't be mad at them. and i'm sure some of the guys you know that parents raised them the right way, maybe they just fell into the environment of the fraternity and felt like they needed to say that. and if they didn't they would be dealt with by the fraternity. you know in some ways you want to work with them and hopefully they'll, you know learn from -- >> i understand what you're saying it takes a big person to say what the young man said and to say what you're saying. but initially, you have to say, where did they learn that? because if your parents raised you right, no matter what somebody else is doing, you don't do it just to belong. a lot of that has to do with
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home training. a lot of them probably learned it at home. >> right. >> the top recruit is decommitting to play for ou because of that? >> he's decommitting from texas to play for ou -- >> he's decommitting to ou. he's a high school top pick in texas. >> oh he's decommitting from ou? l you well you know i just want to let all recruits know that we're working in a great fashion here and, you know like i said that just ruined it. they kind of -- the great people of oklahoma that you know that small bit of people just you know made you know you know the other fraternities and, you know people that mean right, the good people at heart, just look so bad. you know what i mean? right now, as athletes we are getting it right and we are getting it straight and i hope
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we can make him change his mind. >> we hope you can work it out. and again, you're a very remarkable young man. thank you very much for coming on cnn. >> thank you. >> thank you. we have a lot more on the outrage over sigma alpha epsilon's racist chant. but are we fooling ourselves when we think this kind of racism is a thing of the past? i'm going to ask that question. yes, we are fooling ourselves. plus look at this video, never before seen in public it captures the exact moment the first bomb went off at the boston marathon and what happened next. will dzhokhar tsarnaev get the death penalty?
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banned from yale university until 2016 after members allegedly inferred -- excuse me -- interfered with an investigation. joining me now is a member of the fraternity at dartmouth and the author of "confessions of an ivy league boy," a memoir. also joining me is mark and ben. how are you doing tonight? >> evening. >> good evening. >> mark you first. i heard you on today. you're saying this is a form of assault, a form of violence. why do you say that? >> well, because of the effect that it has. every study shows this and good old-fashioned common sense tells you that if you live in an environment where people are threatening to hang you from trees, where there's an animus toward black people, it's unhealthy. it hurts the spirit, the mind.
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it's something we often don't talk about. even though this was caught on tape this isn't the only thing from this frat or even on this campus. >> come on. >> are you kidding? >> i'm saying i can't believe people think this is the only. it did not surprise me. i was surprised that it was caught on video. >> exactly. >> but having gone to school in the south, this happens all the time. this is just a very small portion of the crap that people say. andrew correct me if i'm wrong here. >> no i think you're right. i think that racism is alive and well even at dartmouth, i saw it in my fraternity too where members of the fraternity would refer to the civil war as the war of northern aggression. so i think i agree with mark. the story of racism in america is intimately connected to the story of racism and discrimination in fraternities. until we really get at the root of that problem, which is removing these offending organizations, in general, from
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college campuses i don't think we'll make a whole lot of progress. and we'll keep seeing videos like out of oklahoma today. >> you were a former member of sae. it lists more than 130 have been suspended since 2010. and that doesn't include recent incidents. those incidents include people shocked with cattle prods, burned with an iron. freshmen kept in a dark basement for hours. but we don't talk about all the racist incidents. ben ferguson do you think that this incident is isolated? >> no i don't. and i also think a lot of this comes down to a bunch of punks that are cowards that would never have the guts to say any of this outside the controlled environment with their group of i would even call them gang-like
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members, where they know they're all together, they're all on this bus. it's a controlled environment. they wouldn't say this outside of this area. they wouldn't say it out in public. they wouldn't say it in the classroom. and if anything here -- >> i would challenge you to say perhaps it would be better if they had the balls to say it out in public instead of hiding behind closed doors. >> i totally agree with you. but my point is this, we need other presidents of universities to step out and say to the fraternities at their universities you think what just happened in oklahoma is somehow disconnected from here it's not. if we find out there's anything remotely close to this we will come down on you as hard or harder than the president just did at oklahoma. that's the first step in the right direction, but there's a lot of this out there. because when you put people in a group like this they say things that they wouldn't have the guts to say on their own time by themselves out in the common you know, argument of a classroom. >> but i would also say, these
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kids did not just learn this when they became 18 years old and got shipped off to college. >> it's a culture. >> they had to learn it from their parents or at home -- >> this is pledges. but here's the thing. this is what the problem is with pledging. when i went through it i told every fraternity that i went through, i'm not going to be hazed. guess what i got kicked out of a lot of chances and i was fine with that. but when you haze people and treat them like this, and put them into this environment, you get what you sew. it's disgusting. >> you went to ou. >> right. >> did you have any black members in your fraternity? >> we did not, no. but i will say this. my fraternity had an incredible relationship with other minority fraternities on campus. and i will also say this. >> he had black friends. [ laughter ] >> andrew -- >> [ all speak at once ] >> i'm up against the clock. i got to ask you --
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>> we know some -- >> hey, brother. >> i'm sorry. >> andrew, do you think the university knew about this? because everyone's saying we didn't know. how could you not know? >> i wouldn't want to speculate about this. but we know this problem of discrimination is intimately linked to the history and the idea of fraternities in general in america. what do we talk about with a fraternity? it's a collective psychology that gets people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. and i hit that hard in my book. >> got to run. >> yeah. >> mark sorry. i'd let you talk more but i already know how you feel and you're already acting up. [ laughter ] thank you all, i appreciate it. up next a call for calm after protesters take to the streets in madison wisconsin after the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer.
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protesters jammed the state capital in madison, wisconsin in
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the wake of a shoot th death of an unarmed black teen at the hands of a white police officer. they chanted hands up don't shoot. 19-year-old tony robinson was shot to death by an officer in madison on friday following what police say was a scuffle inside an apartment. robinson's family is calling on protesters to be peaceful. joining me now is madison, wisconsin police chief mike coval. thank you for joining us. >> appreciate being asked, thank you. >> right off the top, i want to ask you, you're doing things differently than the ferguson police chief did. you quickly released the name of the officer involved. matt kinney. you apologized met with some of the family over the weekend. i'm curious because we don't know what went on inside the department. why did you feel the need to apologize? >> any time there's been a loss of life a young man of 19, with all that unrealized potential, his family his friends, life is sacred to me and to our
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department why wouldn't you do the most appropriate thing, and that is to apologize for that loss of life. it just seemed the right thing to do. >> why is this shooting of an unarmed teen why do you think it's different than ferguson? >> well it's not different in the sense that we have a person of color cut down in his prime. he was unarmed, by a police officer. so whether i like it or not, i'm inextricably tied to the ferguson phenomena. but what i'd like to believe is that in terms of our community, in terms of the trust that's been garnered over time over many decades, i'd like to believe that we will not be defined by this incident unto itself. i believe that the outreach, the relationships we've established through our neighborhoods and our schools, and so many different things that we do that i'm hopeful that when given an opportunity the community, the family and their friends, i'm hopeful that they will forgive us and that we can move on constructively and
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re-establish that trust we need to do good community policing. >> you said that you feel you're inextricably linked to ferguson because of the circumstances, an unarmed teenager. what's your reaction to all the protests that have been going on? >> it's natural. there has been a sort of mistrust that's been occasioned by this incident. and people are taken aback. they're upset. some hate us right now. but as one of our oaths, as a constitutional officer of the court, we are there to facilitate constitutional rights and one of those rights that are paramount with us is the first amendment, the rights of assembly the right to speech. and we want to facilitate that we want to foster that. the only thing that we're tempering all that with is, please, to the extent that it's possible we'd like to have people be respectful one another and property.
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we will walk and walk and we have been walking, as people are very angry and understandably so. >> you saw the justice department just last week from the ferguson police department and now you have this. do you think that there's a race issue with police departments across the country? >> i think that it's an inescapable reality. you have to look at the caliber and the content and the character of the people you hire, the type of training you offer. is it adequate is it sufficient is it robust? my department has been doing unconscious bias training for the baft six, seven years. i'd like to believe that we're on the cutting edge of best practices in that regard. >> so you've met with tony robinson's grandmother over the weekend. what do you say to a family grieving like this and what do you say to the country about the entire situation? >> it's not so much what i can say. it's so much of what i have to hear. i have to hear her pain her
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sense of loss her anger, her resentment her mistrust. i have to hear that, because it's very real. it's very organic. and it's something that i don't ever want to get out of my head. because it tells me resoundingly how we need to do better. and the omnly thing i could say to her and it felt oh so limiting is how sorry i am for her, for her family's loss of a young man whose life had just begun and had an awful lot of potential. he was a graduate a successful athlete. he was looking to go to college, to pursue a business degree. he had siblings he had family. he will be lost. he will be mourned. and a lot of untapped potential, never seen. so i apologize on behalf of myself on behalf of my department and i only hope
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actively trying to better himself. >> so joining me is wisconsin state representative chris taylor. the shooting occurred in her district,a mile and a half from her home. and david clinger, a former police officer and the author of the book called "into the kill zone." representative taylor you believe you heard the gunshot? >> that's correct. i was actually across the street at the gas station, and pulled into the gas station, and saw a disturbance on the other side of the street heard shouting and then saw people crouching behind their cars and i hid in my car and shortly thereafter heard a popping and then sirens. i got out of my car, and unfortunately discovered that someone had been seriously injured. at that point we did not know if the person had been killed but then saw really the aftermath of the shooting. >> i know that you were instrumental in passing
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legislation that there be independent investigations following incidents like this. >> that's correct. >> so where do you stand on this issue? >> i'm very grateful that we do have an independent process for an independent investigation. we had an officer-involved shooting several blocks from this incident in 2012 which led me to believe that the process needed to be better it needed to be fairer more transparent. so in this current situation, with the very tragic death of tony robinson i want to see that process go into place. i want to see and give them a chance to do the independent investigation that the people want and that the law requires. >> david, did you get a chance to see or hear the interview that i did with the madison police chief? >> yes, i did. but first i want to comment on the previous episode you had with the idiots from epsilon, whatever they are, that's
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appalling. i'm a university professor, i was a cop for three and a half. those gentlemen and those women in oklahoma need to be prosecuted to the full extent of whatever the student conduct code would permit. i'm appalled as a university professor to see students behave that way. sorry, but i had to get that out there. >> yes, i think we all agree. talking about the police chief for tony robinson's death, he apologized. do you think that was the right move? >> i don't know. because i don't know what happened. i think that if there's some indication that the officer's behavior was incorrect, that he used deadly force inappropriately or perhaps with a mistake of fact but would have been legally justified, then perhaps an apology is appropriate. on the other hand if it turns out that the young man was attempting to harm someone or attempting to murder the police officer, for example, then it would be inappropriate. it doesn't make sense to apologize for the actions of a police officer if he's operating
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within the four corners of the law and the department policy. >> he said to me i think that anyone who wears a badge is also a social worker and i don't want to hire anyone who doesn't have that attitude. they are social workers with badges. do you agree with his assessment of that? and how do you think his officers feel about that approach to it? >> the notion that's a component of law enforcement is absolutely correct, and it always has been. police officers do all sorts of things to mollify people who are upset, put people in touch with people to provide services mental health services but we have to understand, that with the badge and the gun come authority. so being a social worker is one component of being a police officer. it's not the entire role by any stretch of the imagination. >> i totally disagree with that. i think our chief did absolutely the right thing. regardless of what happened in the circumstance which we do
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not know. somebody lost a son. a grandmother lost a grandchild. there was huge loss both for the community, for the family and even the officer and the loved ones involved. so i think it was absolutely the right thing to do to apologize. we all should feel sorry. we all should feel distressed by the situation, and it shows -- >> i disagree ma'am. here's why i disagree. if someone tried to murder you, and i killed them to save your life i would not apologize to the family or the person that i stopped from murdering you. and that's the difference. >> this was an unarmed 19-year-old. an unarmed 19-year-old. >> what if he was trying to rape you or in the process of strangling you? do you want me to let him? we don't have the facts. >> we'll see how the facts unfold but i think it was the right thing to do, in the wake of ferguson in the wake of other issues that have been present with this police department and other instances of using force.
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>> and representative and david, let's keep talking about this tomorrow and i'll invite you back but we have to run. you both have a point. i hate to say that but we have to wait for all of the information to come out, but it's a tragic loss anytime someone loses a loved one. when we come back rap mogul shug night is accused of murder and the video that could play a huge role in his trial. see it next. introducing... a pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until... the am. new aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve.
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>> suge knight says he's not guilty of a murder in a fatal hit and run on january 29th. he was allegedly involved in an argument on the set of "straight out of compton." the video shows a car backing up and knocking a man to the ground. the video is graphic. >> the surveillance video obtained exclusively by tmz appears to show a clear story. suge knight is driving this red truck, actor klay sloan runs up to knight you can see a confrontation. suddenly knight backs up striking sloan.
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the red truck briefly disappears from the picture only to suddenly and violently run over sloan again, and then strikes 55-year-old terry carter. sloan survives, carter dies. darsel care away was carter's friend. and believes the video shows knight killed carter. >> he didn't deserve that. i can say that. >> but watch this video again. defense attorney darren kavinoky who is not connected to the case, sees something else. whose case is supported by this video? >> both of them. >> for the defense, this fight. it shows self-defense. suge knight appears to be under attack. then after the hit and run, a bystander takes something from his hand. >> what is that thing? if that's a gun, it opens up a
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whole world of story-telling possibilities. >> for the prosecution, this car driving past the scene -- >> that shows it was an easy path to get away and that that was a path that suge knight rejected. >> instead, plowing into two people. a brutal move by a troubled man, who remained held behind bars. kyung la cnn, los angeles. mark geragos, defense attorney and cnn legal analyst. mark this will come down to whether it was self-defense or not. he has been charged with a murder right? obviously, attempted murder. but he claims that he wasn't trying to run over either man. he was trying to escape. his attorney says the video shows he was attacked. >> i'm teming you, i think this video is a key piece of evidence and it supports suge. remember you have to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. everything that jim blat who was suge's original attorney,
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was saying to the media right after this happened seems to be supported by this video, where everybody was saying there was no video originally and this video seems to support it. and it looks like it's favorable for the defense. >> okay because if you look at it i don't know why the video is blurred, i would like to see it. they have said all along, he was holding something. but why would suge back up and then run over him? >> well, i've had these cases before couple of them in l.a. and the idea is if you're getting attacked if you're trying to escape. so you're conceivably, what your defense is going to be i was trying to get out, i backed up, i couldn't back out so i went forward, i didn't know if i hit somebody i didn't know that i ran over somebody. >> okay. >> all of this i think, seems to support suge's defense. >> okay, let's turn now to
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dzhokhar tsarnaev. today in court there was new video of the bomb that was shown. here it is. so you see it there. it's unbelievable right? a number of witnesses took to the stand today. many of them they were without limbs and they were explaining the horror of what they witnessed during that day and their current struggles. what do you think this is going to mean this emotional testimony? how is that going to play? >> well look this case is not a whodunnit. this case is he did it. his own lawyer said that in the opening statement. so the prosecution has got the kind of jury that they want which skews older, skews white, and they're hoping for a death penalty verdict in a jurisdiction that frankly has not imposed the death penalty in quite a while. >> this is the kind of just absolutely heart-wrenching video efsds that makes it very
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difficult for the defense. >> mark very quickly, i have just a few seconds left. this is bill cosby in a video, talking to his fans. he's wearing pajamas. the video was accompanied by a short message. he said dear fans it's wonderful, i hope you come out, but he goes hey hey hey, i'm far from finished. what do you make of this video? what's the message here? >> well the message is -- >> we're listening, mark. mark go ahead. >> i was just going to say, the message is if you're bill cosby's lawyers, what they've done everybody says from a pr perspective, you don't want to do what he's been doing. from a legal perspective, his lawyers are playing it exactly right. he can't talk he can't get into this. he's got nowhere to go. and these kinds of things are just devastating to him from a
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tonight's cnn heroes recognizes a 14-year-old girl who is getting books into the hands of kids who need them the most. meet maria kellen. >> i've always loved to read. it kind of takes you to different places. my mom told me when i was 8 that some kids don't have books. and that shocked me because everybody should have the option to read. so i started by just doing a small book drive. and then told my parents that i wanted to collect one million books for kids in need by the time i turned 18. so welcome to the warehouse. >> i was 13 when i reached my goal. we've given books to about 16 countries and 40 states.
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my new goal is to distribute books to every state in the u.s. and every country in the world. >> i'm a preschool teacher with english language learners. >> i'm looking for second through fifth grade. >> meeting the teachers it's amazing, because i hear all about the kids they serve. >> thank you, sweetie. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you for the good work. >> good afternoon. >> we have about 1,280 students. a large homeless and highly mobile population. they're in great need. >> when they came to my school i was so excited and she just gave us books for free and it was amazing. >> literacy is so important in education. i want kids to have a better life. i know that reading can do that. >> nominations are open right now at cnn