starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern, 10:00 p.m. in israel we'll start getting election results. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. all right. here we go. i'm brooke baldwin. breaking news at the top of the show on this tuesday afternoon. i know at first it sounds like a familiar headline but this time it's much much different. a young man, a westerner, accused of trying to enter syria and join isis. this time that young man is not only an american he's a u.s. air force veteran. cnn justice correspondent pamela brown broke the story for us within this past hour. pamela who is he? >> well he's a 47-year-old man, brooke. as you point out, he's an air force veteran. he served in the air force as a

mechanic for several years and left in the '90s, moved to texas. according to the criminal complaint we're looking through, he became increasingly radicalized in the late '90s. he then became an engineer for american airlines a mechanic, i should say, for american airlines. in 2001 a former employee he worked with at american airlines tipped off the fbi that he was sympathizing with osama bin laden at time that he made some alarming remarks. so he was put on the fbi's radar back in 2001. clearly they felt like they didn't have enough to build a case on him. so he went on to travel overseas and be an aviation mechanic overseas. in fact he was an army contractor in iraq for a period of time, according to the criminal complaint. he worked for several private companies working on airplane engines. according to the complaint s in january, early january, he tried to cross over into syria from

turkey to join isis and fight violent jihad. apparently turkish authorities asked him if they could look at his electronics. he said that they couldn't. he denied them access. then at that point, that's when turkish authorities said well you can't come into our country. they suspected something was up sent him back to egypt, where he had traveled from. according to the complaint, brooke, it appeared he had tampered with his electronic devices after that damaging them so that officials couldn't search them. as it turns out, according to the fbi, when he was deported from egypt to the united states they did seize his electronics. they found some propaganda more than 100 propaganda videos apparently. really concerning but we have heard this before brooke. these material support cases. what's unique is we have somebody who was part of the united states air force. >> he was a veteran. we've talked about this pamela brown. we've talked about teenagers. we've talked about westerners. this is the first u.s. veteran i have heard of who has been

caught trying to go into syria to try to join isis. do we know anymore beyond the tampering of electronic devices and propaganda devices? do we know any more about his motivations? >> the why is always the big question. clearly this man, as feared by authority, was influenced by isis propaganda. there were beheading videos execution videos. the flames of war, the isis video, 55-minute video. it appears that he was influenced by the isis propaganda and wanted to link up with the militant group. he had done some research allegedly on different routes and how to get from turkey to syria. as i mentioned earlier t appears in the late '90s, he converted to islam and became increasingly radicalized. then according to one of his former co-workers at american airlines sympathized with osama bin laden. so clearly there's a history there according to the authorities. it's just, you know according to this complaint, it's good that there was some coordination

between turkish authorities and he's now in u.s. custody. his attorney though i should mention, says is he will plead not guilty tomorrow when he appears before a judge. >> okay. pamela brown, thank you so much for the reporting. let us know if and when you get more. meantime just a reminder that each and every day, countries like iraq like syria, there are millions of innocent civilians affected by the brutal terror group that is isis. you can help. we're making it easy for you to do so. go to our impact your world website. that's cnn.com/impact. and now to the millionaire murder suspect robert durst. he's charged with capital murder in one state, drug and weapons felonies in another, and somehow he can still smile. this image was captured outside the courthouse in louisiana a couple hours allege as this accused killer learned he would not be extradited at least not quite yet. a louisiana judge set a bond

hearing for monday as durst faces new charges based on what police found when they arrested him in the city saturday. a source says durst had some pot and a lot of cash with him. police records show he also had a fake driver's license and a .38-caliber revolver all to escape to cuba. this is according to one official. and what exactly was this man apparently running from? good question. could it have been the los angeles police department? l.a. county prosecutors have filed a murder charge against the real estate heir. when you look through some of these court document they indicate durst was quote/unquote lying in wait for his close friend susan berman who was about to talk to police about the disappearance of his ex-wife kathie kathie.

in a documentary on hbo, he's heard with this hot microphone saying he quote/unquote killed them all. durst is also confronted with a letter that links his handwriting to that of berman's possible killer. according to durst's attorney "the jinx" had everything to do with this latest murder charge. >> bob durst did not kill susan berman. he doesn't know who did. that having been said my concern is that the warrant that was issued in california was issued because of a television show and not because of facts. we're going to get to contest that warrant here in louisiana. we want to contest the basis for his arrest because i think it's not based on facts. it's based on ratings. >> joining me now, criminal defense attorney linda kinney bodden who represented casey anthony.

on the phone with me is the last person known to have seen susan berman before she was shot and killed her friend. welcome to both of you. rich to you first on the phone. i have to go back to the multiple pictures we've now seen today of robert durst smiling coming out of court, in the back of this patrol car. when you see these photos what do you make of these? >> he is able to represent himself as somebody who he isn't. i met him, and i did not get any kind of vibe from him that he was a serial killer but clearly he is. >> linda, you heard his attorney durst's attorney saying the warrant is based upon a tv show and not the facts. >> right. i tried the phil specter case out in hollywood. he's going to say this is a great drama. it's a great hollywood story. but it's going to get awards. but that's not the truth.

it's a drama. it's tv. it's hollywood. now let's get to the facts. he's going to say that hot mic -- durst said i want it. he didn't want an arrest. what does it all mean? he's going to say, i bet you he has neurosurgical problems. maybe brain cancer and that was coming on. therefore, you have to look at context. he's going to get all the tapes the filmmaker has. he's going to attack handwriting as not being a science because it is not. >> the misspelling of beverly hills. >> he's going to say somebody else set him up. he's going to say somebody else wrote that copied it. i could see it coming from a mile away. while the tv show is a slam dunk the documentary, to getting an wayward, the conviction on a murder case is not a slam dunk. >> rich, back to you. the last time you saw susan, what was that like? >> we had dinner. she mentioned that bobby had just loaned her or gifted her enough money to temporarily get her out of debt and she was very grateful that he had helped

her. >> and now that you've heard about everything, about "the jinx," about this open mic moment questions about some of the filmmakers legal questions, ethical questions, you're reading through all of this how does this affect you? >> well i think anyone with common sense can connect the dots. he clearly is a serial killer and he killed susan. he killed his ex-wife. he killed the guy in texas. and he's managed to get away with it. but from what i saw in "the jinx," he knows he's caught. >> let me play that in case you have not heard this moment that we're all -- really this key moment in which you hear mr. durst walking into this bathroom. he's got this microphone on. he's agreed to do this docuseries. this is the moment involving this confession.

>> killed them all. of course. >> just going back to you, lirn linda. >> again, this is the perfect hamlet moment. he's talking to himself. he's saying this is not what i want. so he's going to get all the outtakes. let's see what happened. >> you dealt with casey anthony, all the party pictures. >> this is coming into court. and quite frankly, i may want it into court. i may want to say his brain cancer if he has the brain cancer is coming on. we don't know what kind of ramblings are going on in this head. you see the scar across the back of his head. i wouldn't be afraid of that at all. i wouldn't be afraid of it because in the middle of it again, he says i want this. he didn't want to be arrested. so it makes no sense. that's what i would start talking about. >> okay. linda kenny bodden and rich

markey thank you very much. coming up next the boat own who are told police the boston bomber was in his backyard takes the stand in the marathon trial under way in the federal courthouse there in massachusetts. hear what he says about that bloody standoff in his own words. plus a young nfl star quit leaves millions of dollars on the table, says the risk isn't worth it. we'll tell you why. and it is the greatest art heist in history. but who stole half a ball dollars worth of art? the feds now say they know who's behind it. stay here.

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well the man leading the see -- the new secret service director sat before house appropriations subcommittee today, and it was far from a welcome party. in fact it was supposed to be hearing where he could explain his agency's budget request. instead, questions, lectures focused on the latest secret service misbehavior. it's alleged two officers drove their car through a barricade through this ongoing investigation on white house grounds all the while intoxicated. representatives argue the issue is bigger than himself. it comes down to the agency

culture and goes to the tiptop. >> you're the two star. you have a division under your command. you've got to make sure everyone in your command and control structure are meeting that obligation. if everybody is just sitting around and watching me talk on television to figure out what it is, you know i can chew their [ bleep ] too. but that's not my job. >> yes, sir. >> that's your job and those people in the chain of command. >> let me bring in author and journalist jeffrey robinson. he co-wrote "stand inging next to history." he said he didn't know about what happened on march 4th until five days later from an anonymous e-mail. this is not by the secret service agent in charge that night. what does that tell you? >> this is a big problem. big, big, big problem with leadership. there is just no excuse for it. he even said in his testimony there's no excuse for it.

but this is significant because he may not be the right guy for the job. and i'm a clancy fan. you know i'm very supportive. >> i've pushed you on that because there have been criticisms saying this is an inside guy, maybe they should have somebody at the top from the outside. you said no inside is better. >> inside is much better because inside they understand the mission. they understand the culture, the tradition. look at all of these problems in the last five six, seven years. they've all happened since the secret service has been put into homeland security. that's part of the problem. that's a real significant part of the problem. it doesn't belong there. it needs to be put back into treasury. and god help us if there's a knee-jerk reaction into finding somebody coming from the outside to take over. that would be devastating for the secret service. it would change the agency irreparably irreparably. >> what want a the fact he took -- not law firming his own investigation, instead turning everything over to the inspector

general first. what do you think of that move? >> that's what he has to do because they're part of homeland security. back in treasury they're the golden boys. they could have handled this and treasury would have handled it completely differently. it wouldn't have happened because the culture in treasury is very different than just being one of many agencies in homeland security. >> what about -- we also learned he had like a stern, direct confrontation, conversation with other agents in the wake of all of this. what do you think the orders would have been if you could have been inside that conversation? >> give me your badge, give me your gun, you've just retired. that's what the order should have been. now, he said in testimony, i can't fire people on the spot. well then you're not the director. one of the things that happens when you are the boss is you can fire people you can promote people you can demote them. he should have taken action. let me just say this. and i mean this very sincerely because you know i'm a fan of the secret service. they've got to move it back to

treasury. they must always assure that somebody comes up through the ranks. you can't understand what it is to protect the life of the president unless you've protected the life of the president. and i think mr. clancy needs to step up and show real leadership. he owes that to the president and vice president, with whom he protects with his life. he owes that to the american people. more importantly, he owes that to the men and women who wear the badge who are the best and brightest. >> jeffrey robinson thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. got to get to some breaking news just into us here at cnn. we're getting word illinois congressman aaron shock is resigning from congress. the republican facing big, big questions about his spending habits. let me bring in our chief congressional correspondent dana bash and chief political analyst gloria borger. dana first to you. what are you hearing? >> he just released a statement, saying he's going to resign effective march 31st. so just in a couple weeks. he says he does it with a heavy

heart. serving the people of the 18th district is the highest and greatest honor i've had. he goes on to say, constant questions over the last six weeks have proven a great distraction that has made it too difficult for me to serve the people of the 18th district. now, of course we have been reporting, athena jones, my colleague, others have been reporting on the extensive questions that have just come up over and over and over again, specifically about his expenses his recordkeeping, using taxpayer money to be on private jets on planes to take trips that were not appropriate to do with taxpayer money that, he eventually paid back or was trying to pay back. i just talked to a source who's been involved in the discussions internally trying to figure out what is going on. the answer was that it was just too hard to figure out what was going on. it was just a drip drip drip drip and it became very clear that the recordkeeping and the

way the expenses were done in his office it was too much. it was done too incorrectly and very clear that he was not going to be able to survive this never mind this term but just to be able to continue going on and doing his job. >> we know he's been grilled. you mentioned the drip drip drip. my question would be when did the drip start? we know he's been drilled. drew griffin, our investigative correspondent, has done entire pro profile pieces on this sort of spending. but when did this really begin? >> it probably started, and dana correct me if i'm wrong, when it was reported that he spent over $40,000 of taxpayer dollars redecorates his office to look like "downton abbey." >> which was paid back. >> that was paid back. look the rules governing the use of taxpayer money, these taxpayer accounts that members of congress have have grown

more and more strict over the years. and they're very scrutinized when anybody raises a question. this is what the ethics committees spend an awful lot of time doing. and i think that what we can say what occurred here is that so many questions were being raised in so many different areas. not only about the office redecoration but about trips on private planes on entertainment, et cetera, et cetera. that after a while, the ethics committee is going to stay to you, to a certain degree we don't see how you're defending this. and i think that's what schock is effectively admitting. >> forgive me, this is maybe an obtuse question, but how do members of congress think they can get away with redecorating an office to look like the set of a popular tv show or using these flights and all this money. ethics committees exist for a reason. >> the irony is that was what

started the questions and his spending under the microscope. turns out that wasn't even the issue. the issue was that they did not, as i said have good recordkeeping. they had been going -- he hired a couple lawyers. they've been trying to go over to figure out how it was done over the past several years. and it turns out that it was just -- there were too many examples of him not properly using taxpayer money or maybe the better way to say it is he didn't use either his personal money or political money and follow the rules, follow the law. and it was -- you know look a lot of these members of congress they're not record keepers. they're not bookkeepers. i'm not saying he should be excused for it but they rely on staff to do things properly. that clearly did not happen here. the buck stops with him, which

is why he's resigning at this point. the other thing i should mention is aaron schock we know who he is because he's been a young, rising star. he's somebody who is incredibly accessible. he's somebody who is articulate in the policy and politics of republicans. he represents a very conservative district in southern illinois. i mean you talk about the joke is what do people in peoria think? well he represents peoria. i think in this case because he has had such a jet set life i mean part of the issue isn't just the expenses. it was where he was going. to rock concerts with katy perry. to buckingham palace. that's not the kind of thing that i think a lot of people in his very salt of the earth constituency are used to. they had people like rey lahood who was here for a very long time who was so well respected that he actually went to work for a democratic president. bob michael, who was a republican leader.

these are very different kinds of republicans. also probably clear he was going to get a republican challenge. >> i was just going to say, there's every reason to believe that politically he would have a lot of trouble survivng this. >> well a young rising star to rise no longer according to dana effective march 31st. ladies thank you. coming up next tense moments in the trial of accused bomber out of boston dzhokhar tsarnaev. the owner of the boat where the younger tsarnaev was found describes the moment he knew this wanted potential terrorist was hiding in his backyard. you have to stick around to hear this. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes

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to boston. and this quote, he said he just kept fixating on the blood. the massachusetts boat owner who found the boston bombing suspect hiding out in his watertown backyard took the stand today in the federal trial against dzhokhar tsarnaev. he recounted for members of the jury today those incredibly frightening moments during this massive manhunt for the tsarnaev brothers. in the moments he realized this younger brother was in his backyard hiding in his boat he said he noticed something was amiss. he was pretty astute man, saw the shrink wrap was loosed looked tapered with. then he said he saw the blood. he said his eyes went to the other side of the boat. that's when he says he saw a body. he said tsarnaev's back was to him and he could, quote, see his shoes, his clothes. his wife then told him to call 911. days after tsarnaev's arrest

our affiliate spoke with him about finding the 19-year-old in his backyard. >> i know people say there was blood on the boat and he saw blood and went in. >> not true? >> not true. >> the word is you saw the boat you pulled back the wrapping you saw a body it moved and you called 911. >> oh no no no. >> no? >> so he went to the garage and grabbed a stepladder. >> i got, i think, three steps up the ladder. i rolled it up and can see through now the shrink wrap. i didn't expect to see anything. i look in the boat over here on the floor, and i see blood. >> a lot of blood? >> good amount of blood. my eyes went to the other side of the engine box. the engine box is in the middle. there was a body. >> and at that moment what did you do? what were you thinking at that moment? >> oh my god.

>> he couldn't see suspect number two's face. he was glad he couldn't see his face. >> well i know i took three steps up the ladder. i don't remember stepping down off the ladder. this hits you more afterwards when you think, my god, we probably slept last night. this guy could be in -- you know i don't know. it's just surreal. >> in that instant, police responded and he and his wife were taken away. >> people are calling you a national hero. >> if the people killed can get something from -- >> you know in many ways they do. >> then i'm at peace with it you know? >> before that dramatic boat standoff unfolded, there was, of course, that massive manhunt in the entire city of boston in that deadly confrontation that would claim tamerlan tsarnaev's

life the older brother. watertown police officers described that moment as quote/unquote eight minutes of sheer terror. on the stand, many recounted how with the boston area on lockdown they found themselves embroiled in this fierce battle with the brothers tossing these homemade bombs and opening fire. we now know the elder brother tamerlan was killed. i want you to hear how watertown's police chief described the scene to wolf blitzer. this is back in 2013 days after that standoff. >> walk us through what happens. the older brother, he's wounded, right? he's thrown out of the car. and there are reports that the younger brother drove away and drove over his brother. is that right? >> well eventually yes. that's exactly what happened. what happened was at some point the first brother who died at the scene, he all of the sudden comes out from under coffer andver and starts walking down the street shooting at police officers. my closest police officer is five to ten feet away.

they're exchanging gunfire. he runs out of ammunition, the bad guy. so one of my police officers comes off from the side, tackles him. we're trying to get him handcuffed. there's two or three officers handcuffing him in the street. at the last minute they obviously have tunnel vision. very very stressful situation. one of them yells, look out. here comes the black suv, the carjacked car, directly at them. they dive out of the way, and he runs over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street. >> in effect killing his brother. >> yes. >> then the chief detailed with wolf how authorities were able to get dzhokhar tsarnaev to surrender from the boat in that watertown backyard. here he was. >> when did you realize that this was going down that you had the second suspect? >> we -- it was late in the day. you know we had a report that we got from our citizens.

we asked them to keep vigilant. we got the call. it sounded like really good information. >> that person called and said there's a guy in this boat in my backyard and it looks like there's blood there. pick up the story there. >> i do want to talk about what happened the night before. >> we'll get to that in a second. pick up the story -- >> at that point, we had a couple thousand police officers on scene. the turnout was just incredible the support we got from the state and the region. so we had the tactical people to be able to close that scene down and secure it. we did take our time to make sure that everybody was safe in the neighborhood. eventually we had to use some flash bangs to render the subject -- >> tell our viewers what a flash bang is. >> it's just a loud compression that would stun somebody for a short period of time. then we began negotiations. slowly over a 15 20-minute period we were able to get him to stand up and show us he didn't have a device on him.

>> so he's lying in this boat. he's been there for several hours. he's wounded, bleeding. he's obviously weak. you come over there, and what do you say to him? you have a bull horn start saying come up with your hands up? >> we have a negotiator who was actually on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat. >> you could see him? >> no there was a plastic top over him. we had the state police helicopter that could tell us when there was movement in the boat by the heat sensor. we could tell he was alive and moving. we began the negotiations that way. over a long period of time we were able to finally get him to surrender without any other -- anybody hurt. >> so he didn't use anymore gunfire. >> once we got the place surrounded there was early gunfire when we first got in the area. he exchanged gunfire with some of the officers. then we secured the scene. >> who did the negotiations? who did the talking with him? >> that would have been the fbi task force.

>> and he raised up his shirt. he showed he wasn't wearing an explosive device. then what happened? >> well at that point, once we saw that we felt comfortable enough to send some officers with tactical equipment to go in and grab him and pull him away from the boat so he wouldn't have anything else. he needed first aid, you know, so he was transported by ambulance into a boston hospital. >> and again, that was april two years ago. coming up here on cnn, 13 of the world's greatest works of art worth half a billion dollars stolen in the greatest art heist in history. the hunt is still on for these thieves. what new clues could now mean for the search after this. [announcer] if your dog can dream it purina pro plan can help him achieve it. ♪ epic classical♪ music stops

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on the walls. the memory of some of the world's greatest most priceless works of art stolen from the boston museum some 25 years ago. 13 works of art worth half a billion dollars. a new cnn special tonight looks at the hunt to find the thieves. >> inside these walls, priceless works of art. but also a mystery that has lasted for 25 years. >> i like to say it is boston's last best secret. >> on march 18th 1990 $500 million worth of art stolen from a boston museum. the biggest art heist in history. >> this is the creme de la creme of art recovery. >> how did the thieves get inside? how did they get away with 13 priceless pieces? and a quarter century later, where are the paintings? >> once they leave, they're never heard from again. >> in his only television interview, hear from the security guard who let the thieves in. was this an inside job?

>> well i'm the guy who opened up the door. they're obviously going to be looking at me. >> who else are investigators looking at? and will the artworks ever be recovered? >> whoever has them just is waiting for the right time. >> it's the $500 million question. who pulled off the greatest art heist in history? >> randy kay, what a documentary. i can't wait to watch this tonight. just to think, they still have the frames on the walls. it's tomorrow that marks 25 years since this heist. one of the craziest parts about this whole story is apparently the fbi says they know the who dun it but may not be able to do anything about it. >> that's because they say they've identified the thieves. they think they're part of a criminal organization from the mid-atlantic or new england. they've never named them publicly. they did tell us just this week that there was a credible sighting of that monet in the home of one of the thieves, they

believe. certainly in the home of a man that matched or seeresembled the sketch given by somebody who was at the crime scene. again, they've never recovered that monet, nor have they recovered the other 12 pieces of artwork. also brooke here's the thing. they're offering immunity to anyone who comes forward with these paintings. because it happened 25 years ago, the statute of limitations has run out. they can't really charge these guys anymore with the actual theft. they might be able to charge someone with possession of stolen property possession of artwork, maybe obstructing justice, but not the theft. >> how about that? and to think a monet. you can't just steal a monet and pop it on a wall and think no one is going to notice. we'll be watching your full investigation. it's called "the 500 million question," the cnn special report tonight at 9:00 eastern and pacific. coming up my next guest oversaw freedom of information requests for the doj. why he says hillary clinton's

e-mail defense is quote, laughable, and has this controversy changed the public's opinion of the former secretary of state? plus why is russian president vladimir putin putting his entire northern fleet, troops, warships, aircraft on full alert? stay here.

the questions surrounding hillary clinton's private e-mail server the one she used while secretary of state, they're not going away. last week she said she will not turn over the server that hosts the e-mails. now you have the house of republicans who are tossing around this idea of issuing subpoenas for this. this new poll shows voters are actually split over this entire thing. when asked if clinton's use of a personal e-mail system is a serious problem, you see the numbers here. pretty split. a new cnn/orc poll shows that americans fall fairly even on

both sides. but a government secrecy guru this man who ran the justice department's response to documents requests says her defense is quote/unquote laughable. let's talk to him about that. dan metcalfe was the head of the office, guiding agencyies on how to request information. welcome to the show. >> good afternoon. >> just off the top, sir, why do you think secretary clinton used the private e-mail server period? >> well i probably should caution you right at the outset that it's not just the server. that actually was a secondary step that she took. the first step was when it came to using e-mail itself just in general, she used exclusively a personal e-mail account as opposed to an official government e-mail account. that's point one. secondly when she did that she didn't take the steps that the government says should be taken

in the exceptional circumstance in which there is resort to a personal e-mail account. the rule is that you should use the official e-mail account, but if you're a busy secretary of state responding to crises around the world in the middle of the night, sometimes you can't grab that device so readily. so there is some flexibility as a practical matter to allow a personal account to be used occasionally. when that happens, the step is then to be taken of putting that forwarding that e-mail into the state department system. she didn't to that at all. then she relied upon instead, the fact that the vast majority of her e-mail correspondence was with state department or other government officials where you would imagine there would be residue information in the accounts of those agencies for that. but that's only the majority not the minority. thirdly, she created or

established this regime in which she used purely a personal e-mail server at her home. >> all right. and let me jump in. i hear you on points a, b, and c. let me throw out a point d. that being the separation form. i know the state department has been getting grilled over this all week over this particular form. for people who aren't familiar f you're an employee of the state department when you leave state, you are supposed to sign the separation form in which, you know these employees are forced to turn over any and all official records before leaving. so professor, if the state department says there is no record of her signing this form does it matter if secretary clinton signed the form? >> well i want to be careful here because i don't know for sure what might or might not have happened at the time of her departure. i know at the justice department when you depart -- for example, when i retired eight years ago, you go through a process that's called for by the federal records act with respect to your

records or the records in your office and how they are to be handled by way of either disposal removal by the official taking something home with you, or not. i assume they have that process at the department of state. and you're right. that is a rather large question. once they set this record-keeping regime up with a purely personal account, exclusively for her official e-mail with a private server i can't help but wonder how that could have been looked at at time of her departure. whether they use a particular form or not, i don't have personal knowledge of that. i know only what we did at the justice department. but it certainly is a very logical area of focus, as you indicate. >> would it matter -- let me press you on that again. from everything i've seen there is a said form when you leave state. state has no record of her signing this form. would it matter if she signed the form? >> well again, i have to be very careful. i'm a careful lawyer just as

clinton is. i don't know what the form says. if the form represents something that was not true and she signed it certainly that would appear to be a problem. it really depends upon what she is attesting to or representing to the state department if and when she signs that form. >> okay. >> i just don't have personal knowledge of that. >> understand. appropriate answer. in the poll we showed a moment ago where you see americans are split on hillary clinton's -- how people perceive her honesty, her trustworthiness, she has taken a six-point hit in the last year. i can't imagine this e-mail situation is helping her. what do you think hillary clinton could do to make sure, to show the american people she's being fully transparent? is there anything? >> well i guess i can answer that question by telling you

what i would advise her to do if i were in that position and she were looking for advice. under these circumstances, i would advise her to sort of roll back the clock on her press conference not continue with the careful delineation, language that she used there, which quite frankly is laughable in some respects and then to acknowledge that she went too far and that she's now going to try to do whatever she possibly can. one thing in particular she could do is with respect to the official e-mails on that side of the line in her server where she transmitted to the state department last year that information only in paper form not electronic form, i suggest it would go a long way if she did the latter. there's a difference between a paper printout and the electronic form. there could be a keyword search electronically as opposed to a

more laborious, partly erroneous search through pieces of paper. there also could be metadata surrounding those forms and server logs as well. >> okay. dan metcalfe thank you so much. >> glad to be here. coming up next got to get you back to breaking news here. congressman aaron schock announcing his resignation over spending questions. we'll talk to our investigative correspondent drew griffin who tracked him down recently. plus a u.s. air force veteran arrested for trying to join isis. how authorities managed to track him down, next. you're driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up

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