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to "legal view." the breaking news on that story in the museum. the massacre in tunis. an audio recording has just turned up online claiming isis is behind yesterday's attack on the museum, which is part of a complex that includes the tew
tunisian. two gunmen also dead and others got away. on the loose, being hunted down. nine suspects have now been arrested. joined on the phone right now by phil black who is working this story in tunis and i'm also joined here live by cnn terrorism analyst. the latest on the investigation and those who have been arrested. what do we know? >> what we understand that there have been nine arrests today in total. the tunisian authorities have moved quickly and at least four of those are said to have a direct link to the attack
as it took place. we don't know what link that was. whether these are people who had a direct involvement who may have been shooters on the day or otherwise. five of those who were arrested said to have some association with the individuals or perhaps even the group that was responsible. up until now the tunisian
authorities have not spoken publicly whether this is an organization. that is just now just in the last few moments, really. isis itself released an audio message online in which it claims responsibility for this attack. reasonably short message, but it says that two of its operatives have carried out an operation in what it describes as one of the infidelity in indonesia. it identifies two of the attacke attackers. and says that they actually blew themselves up after they ran out of ammunition. knocking back any suggestion that it was the tunisian security forces that may have been responsible for ending the attack. this audio message ends with a warning that there may be more attacks like this to come, ashleigh. >> what about those who have been arrested? were they arrested locally? did they find them trying to cross borders else where?
do we know anything of the circumstances of what got them to those people? >> we don't know that level of detail just yet, no. it's important, obviously. this is clearly an ongoing investigation and the tunisian authorities have moved quickly. one of the attackers was known to the the security forces here in some way, but not to the point or certainly not to the point where he registered enough for constant surveillance or anything like that. they didn't suspect he was planning an attack. we don't know precisely what role they had in the attack itself the authorities saying four were directly involved and five others more of an association. >> phil, also, another question i think. i don't know if the answer is out there yet. but certainly people will want to know, what were the nationalities of those killed in terms of perpetrators and those arrested? were they locals? were they from else where? >> well, because the authorities here haven't officially identified where, who these
people are, the attackers that were killed or where they were from. we don't know that officially. but according to the isis e-mail by referring to, sorry, audio message, i should say. by referring to each of them, the isis is saying these are two local tunisian men. two home-grown terrorists. there is no secret that a lot of jihadi elements and many traveled to syria believed to fight isis to be in the thousands. it is indeed possible that that may be the case. if not, likely. the victims, that was a broad international mix. across europe, asia and beyond, ashleigh. >> phil, stand by for a moment. paul, the issue now trying to deal with this claim. this audio claim. american authorities telling cnn there is no reason to disbelieve the uauthenticity. does that make a difference. >> we know this claim is being put out there.
there is a three-minute audio recording and this claim offers them trying to attach their name to this attack. there needs to be a lot more investigations. it tunisian government said so far in their investigations they have not found any ties to any organized terrorist group. the word there is yet. clearly now isis is claiming this and it is possible these are tunisian and 500 fighters are believed to have come back and it's also possible that these were tunisians trained inside libya. training in eastern libya between ben gaghazi and a very mountainous area for a variety of north africans so quite possible that whoever was responsible could have trained
in libya or not necessarily iran or iraq. an indiginous group with about 40,000 followers. back in 2012, just a few days after the benghazi attack by a similarly named group, they launched a protest attack against the embassy in tunis. a variety of candidates that can be responsible. also al qaeda in north africa which has a brigade near the algerian border in tunisia. >> i think so many people are so confused by tunisia being at the head of the arab spring. this is where it began. more enlightened people and no appetite for this kind of extremism. yet, is it the result of a government that proceeded the current government allowing sort of carte blanche for freedom and without keeping it in check and watching what is going on in
certain areas and suggesting freedom of religion, sure, but not freedom for this kind of death cult. >> they got a lot of the politics right. they've elected freely a secular president, a secular prime minister. which is committed to -- >> did they know what they were going to be thinking? >> i'm sure this has sort of freed up space for some of these to operate more freely than before because of this political opening. i guess one of the big problems is the lagging economy, a lot of unemployment. that's created frustration and young people are turning to radical islam. >> that's the formula for this. it's always that. >> you have to get the politics right first. in tunisia they are getting that right. the economy will take some time, clearly ewith perhaps of the collapse of the tourism sector and tunisia needs all the help it can get. they need to provide some assistance or so the americans
to tunisia because if tunisia goes towards radical islam and then, you know, you're looking at the failure of the arab spring right across the region. nobody wants that. >> right. paul, an incredible story, yet again. who knows what the next tunisia is going to be and how much aid is needed there. a pretty big problem to combat. thank you for that. thank you to phil black for doing our reporting in the renal . photographs earlier than this event. bloodied and taken down by the officers. it was a videotape struggle that has the governor of virginia calling for an investigation. but what really happened? what started it all and maybe the big question, what don't we know?
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some pretty dramatic pictures have surfaced of the bloody arrest of the university of virginia student. in the video he screams at the officers using profanity and accuses them of being racist. we want to warn you the video is disturbing. here it is. >> how does this happen? how does this happen? >> that is 20-year-old martese johnson in the video outside of a bar just after midnight. johnson's attorney said that the blood on his face came from a head wound after being slammed to the pavement when police took him into custody. the incident and the video have sparked immediate outranl on campus and around the country. the governor has ordered the
virginia state police to look into this matter and investigate it. johnson himself appeared at last night's protest rally and called on his fellow students for calm and respect. >> i want the remainder of the students up here to be able to share their opinions and share their feelings. i beg for you guys, regardless of your personal opinions and the way you feel about suggests to respect everyone here. we're all part of one community. and we deserve to respect each other, especially in times like this. thank you. >> i want it be perfectly clear here. we still do not know what led to the take down. the officers you saw in the video are from the virginia department of alcoholic beverage control. i want to break down what we do know and what we don't know. nick valencia is live. if you can be as clear as
possible on the response from the police thus far. what are they saying happened? >> police are saying this third year student was acting agitated and belligerent, ashleigh, after being denied entry into the bar. that's what led to the confrontation that he was being uncooperative. now, it's important to note that we don't know what happened after he was denied entry for using a fake i.d. his attorney denies that. we don't know what happened after he was denied entry to that bar where you see him in that video pinned down by those agents. johnson's attorney saying that his client is a victim of excessive force. the police saying that johnson was simply not being cooperative. ashleigh? >> apart from that, are they now basically buttoning up because this is becoming a police investigation. are they not at liberty to explain anything further? >> well, sure, that's part of it. the government is launching an independent investigation into this unit, those special agents and those agents have been put
on administrative leave as, you know, as this probe continues. this investigation continues. but this is a group it's worth pointing out, ashleigh. a group that is very familiar to. cas students and a unit that is charged with cracking down on underage drinking and that's what they were doing that night. mixed feelings about how students feel about this agency, but they say they've never seen something quite like this. that video, as you mentioned, very disturbing and graphic to watch. ashlei ashleigh. >> as i'm sure you're aware, everyone wants more information, especially when there is something that is only partial. a video that is only partial. i want to play now, nick, if you've give me this moment. just in the program that proceeded us. dr. marcus martin the vice president of diversity and equity at the university of virginia gave an interview to our kate balulwin.
>> he was taken to another group of officers from what he told me and was asked, again, for his i.d. he took out his i.d. and there was a change of words and then whatever he said perhaps provoked the officer and he was grabbed by the neck and pushed down into the hard surface, which basically is a hard brick surface in front of the pub and that's where he sustained the injuries. so, my interpretation and looking at him after he had been sutured looking at the photos of what happened that night or early in the morning, i surmise that the force was excessive. >> that's the voice of dr. marcus martin. vice president of diversity and equity at the university of virginia. i want to bring in attorney joe jackson who is here with me now. listen, this is critical in all of this. my guess is that there were other witnesses potentially in this area.
this was st. patrick's day in a nightclub zone. clearly, the abc was out there because of this kind of activity on st. patrick's day. when dr. martin says this, he is referring to his interview of the victim at this point. >> absolutely. >> let's not forget when kids are talking to university officials, these are officials who hold the cards for their future, as well. >> no doubt. absolutely. listen, all we could expect here and hope for is a full and fair investigation. we know that the governor has weighed in on this and the governor has asked for an independent investigation by the state and i think that's what we'll get. i think it will boil down to a couple of things and what is that? what threat was he posing at the time that he was ultimately asked to show the i.d., if any. and what was the force used against him. we see the force. you know, the tape is inconclusive in terms of exactly what the background of that was. we see him there and showing the tape on the ground and what led to him to get on the ground. was he compliant or not compliant and was he intoxicated
or not intoxicated and doing anything to provoke the officers to cause him to have ten stitches or was he not? after the investigation concludes we'll see whether the use of force was proper, appropriate or excessive. >> couple things to put in here, as well. the charges he's facing are intoxication and profanity and obstruction without force and i'm paraphrasing what they are. different verbiage in the code in virginia. but dr. martin also said that he didn't believe that martese was legally drunk. this is a 20-year-old male. does legally drunk have some kind of a definition for an underage versus someone over 21? >> well, not in accordance with the statute he's charged in. it's public intoxication. usually that is left to the interpretation of the police officers involved. was he swaying and unsteady on his feet? was his speech slurred in any particular way? i think that will be evaluated. but even if he's found to be publicly intoxicated, the real question will be, did it justify
what occurred here? did this force have to be used against them, even if he was intoxicated or even if he did obstruct the police in any way. >> a friend told the "new york times" that during this premelee there may have been an arm grab and a request to come away from the bouncer and speak to the officers, to which there was some resistance there and maybe that's what began what could have spiraled out of control. this is the stuff we don't have on video. nick valencia if you could join me back again and answer something for me. there has been some criticism that has been surfacing about the alcoholic beverage control officers in this area in the past. that they have, you know, overstepped their limits. they had to settle in terms of one lawsuit i believe where a young woman was buying sparkling water and didn't identify themselves and she panicked and tried to flee because she didn't know who these people were and she had water in the car. what is the prevailing notion
about -- because, look, this is a problem. we just had ferguson police department broken down by the doj as having systematic problems. are there systematic problems here that are being alleged with the abc? >> that's certainly something that they're going to look into in this independent investigation. that incident happened a couple years ago according to the local newspaper here where these special agents and investigation concluded that they did not use common sense when they stopped a student here. they mistook for buying alcohol underage. she was really just buying a case of wattle bottles and eventually settled her lawsuit. but, listen, ashleigh, getting back to this story here what happened on early wednesday morning. it's not just that it happened, but it happened to this individual. martese johnson is one of the one most prominent students on campus and his ties to the university are endless and that's why you saw hundreds of people coming out in that rally. you know, so, when i'm talking to students here, they're
telling me it's not just that it happened, but it happened to martese. somebody that is heavily involved in issues like this highlighted issues in ferguson that the doj report has talked about. incidents with police officers, law enforcement and unarmed civilians. this is something that he has spoken about publicly before in the past on campus and now he's involved in a situation like this himself. ashleigh? >> all right. yeah, go ahead, joey. >> i think the investigation will also focus on what caused the police to focus on him? was there any undo focus on him versus any other students. was there treatment as it related to him versus anyone else. i'm sure the investigation is going to seek to find why he was the focus as opposed to any other students who were there. >> it is clearly heard and a charge to go with it. you racists as he's being arrested. is that critical in this investigation? >> leeri clearly in his mind --
>> you can say you're being racist and i protest what you're doing and i disagree with you, how dare you, but you f'ing racist, is that troublesome? >> i don't know if it is. when you're in a situation like that and you have stitches and blood flying out of your face, i don't know how accountable you're going to be for the derogatory language you use based on the feelings you have at that particular time. >> it's too early to tell in the investigation. we'll let the investigation play out. but i think critical in the investigation is why did this escalate so quickly and why did they focus on him? >> did the story escalate because the picture was so bloody? >> absolutely. i think the story escalated because you see a use of force there and people want to know, the students want to know, was it justified and was it not justified. why, ashleigh, as we look at the picture did it have to come to that? were there reasonable alternatives that could have been employed that could have gotten him under control, perhaps out of the establishment
and everyone safe and carried on their business. >> which is what this always boils down to. why the escalation and was it legitimate? we will continue gathering the facts. the critical part of gathering the facts. joey jackson, thank you. nick valencia, thank you. a suspect in a string of mesa, arizona, shootings yesterday is a convicted felon who was out on probation. there he is. feast your eyes ryan elliot being questioned now in the shootings which killed one man and wounded five others. and as they look for the motives, they may have actually been printed on his face. coming up also, a mentally armed man arm would a screw driver shot dead by police. was it unavoidable? a closer look at police policy and practice and how the officers handled a tough situation. we'll also hear from the
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the disturbing body cam video showing the tragic death of a mentally ill man in dallas is reigniting the debate over whether police should use deadly forcen these certain circumstances, especially when it comes to mental illness. the family of jason harrison. they say they want the video to spark reforms in how the police interact with the mentally ill. we want to warn you that the video we're about to show you is extremely graphic. it is, obviously, very disturbing to watch, but it's critical to the story.
cnn's randi kaye reports. >> reporter: two dallas police officers arriving for what they expect will be a routine disturbance call. other officers had been to this home dozens of times before. this time would be different and it's all about to pea captured on the officer's body camera. >> police. hello. >> reporter: shirley harrison answers the door. she called police about her son, jason. he's bipolar schizophrenic and off his medication. she's trying to get him to the hospital. who is that? >> what is going on? >> reporter: as shirley walks out, police notice a screw driver in her son jason's hand. what happens next is hard to watch. drop that for me.
james, james! >> within ten seconds of the front door being opened, jason harrison lay dyingen his own driveway shot at least five times, twice in the back. by officer john rogers and andrew hutchens, who was wearing the body camera. his family says jason hadn't committed any crime nor did he likely understand why officers were even there. >> what do you think police that day could have done differently? >> they should not have been yelling orders off the top. because you've got someone that is already confused and now you stick a gun in their face and you yell at them. >> reporter: when shirley harrison had called 911 for help, she told them her son was mentally ill and needed to get to a hospital. >> they took him to the morgue. >> reporter: so why did the officers open fire? dallas police wouldn't talk to us but the attorney for the officers did. >> was there any other option
other than deadly force in this case? >> no, there's not. this is a deadly force encounter. when you respond to lethal force, you respond to that with lethal force. a taser is a less lethal item. >> reporter: soon after the shooting the officers signed affidavits about what happened. both say jason harrison lunged at them. he lunged at officer rogers first and raised the screw driver in the air. officer rogers said he lunged at officer hutchens first. both officers agreed, though, that the screw driver could have been used as a deadly puncture weapon. with jason bleeding out in the driveway, backup arrives. listen as officer hutchens tries to explain to the others why they fired. >> he was in the doorway. he had a screw driver. we had this behind us, we had to shoot. >> reporter: but did he? watch again. >> drop that for me. drop that for me. >> drop it.
>> the harrison's family attorney says if jason had really lunged at the officer, you would have seen his whole body fill the screen of the body camera. >> he didn't lunge. he didn't stab. he didn't jab. no thrust and no zoro move. >> reporter: what about after the shooting? the officers continue to yell at him to drop his weapon as he lay motionless. listen. >> sorry, man. sorry, buddy. drop it, guy. >> put the thing down! put the screw driver down! >> reporter: after several minutes officer rogers gets close enough to remove the screw driver from the victim's hand and then puts his hands behind his back. jason harrison's mother had specifically requested officers who were trained to deal with the mentally ill answer this call. the attorney for these officers tell us they do have that training. about five and a half minutes after the shooting the ambulance arrives. but it was too late. just 38, jason harrison was
already dead. randi kaye, cnn, dallas. joining me now is keith wince winsel who trained officers for the dallas police department and even developed a new curriculum for how to respond to situations like this. keith, thanks so much for being with us. i really need your perspective on this. you told "the dallas morning news" that they did an absolutely perfect job. i'll paraphrase here adding you would show this to students. you would show them this video as an example of good tactics. why is that? >> i'll stand by that. when you watch this video. keep this in mind, ashleigh. you just, in just your opening statement right there, your opening question, less than ten seconds, that is about the same time the officers had to make a decision of what force to use and how to handle this situation. and i've watched this many, many times. probably six or seven times already and each time i see a different perspective.
and the officers don't get that perspective. they have less than seconds to make a decision. now, you got to understand, too, the fear that the officers in. i believe the officers did an absolute perfect job. no one will like the outcome of this. it is sad, it is tragic that the person in that door was shot and killed. keep this in mind, ashleigh. this family had, i just learned that the person who is descease 26, they had 30 something years with this young man and they couldn't control him to the point that they needed the police to come help. >> yeah, that's part of the issue that i'm struggling with here. that is that the family says in a lawsuit that officer husband been called to this home over 100 times. the call that came in and i'm just going to read out what the 911 dispatch was to the officers. call came in from the mother.
i have a mentally ill son and i need help getting him to parkland avenue. that's what the officers heard. bipolar schizophrenic, bold, white t-shirt, gray capri pants. man is arguing. needs to go to parkland. the officers are responding knowingly. if they didn't already know from the many different officer responses to that home that this is a by polar schizophrenic man needing to go to the hospital. why then would they have put themselves in a position to be so close to that door and so close to a volatile person? >> well, let me ask you what, what do you think they should have done? get on their loud speaker at the end of the driveway and order the family and everybody out of the house? now, that's not realistic. keep in mine, i don't know a lot of these facts. i'm speaking on the tactics. the officers approached the door
in a calm manner. i mean, no question about that. they are very calm, relaxed. they knock on the door. their voice is very calm and relaxed. quite frankly, the first person who actually yells who uses extremely loud voice is the mother. not the officers. yes, when somebody has a weapon, your voice will almost naturally become elevated. but the officers did a great job. they remain calm. and then i know what you're thinging. maybe they should have backed off of the porch. i'll use a funny term to describe a zone, an area. a hula hoop. imagine, ashleigh a hula hoop. think of the area within that hula hoop. they're slightly elevated and cars blocking them to come in and out of where the mother is. she walks right by them. and what you don't see clearly on the video is the facial postures that she's using. what she's saying with her face. but what she said with her voice was very clear. he's crazy. he's bipolar, he's skitso.
would you help him, please. okay. now, keep that in mind. so, you have less than seconds. their attention is drawn immediately to him. and keep in mind, also, too, ashleigh, that you've got two officers who have two different views. one may be looking to the left and to the right and one may be looking over and one may look to the mother and the other one says, drop the weapon. put the knife down. whatever the words he uses. we expect in law enforcement, the public should know this, there should be an immediate answer to that call. suspect -- >> with people who aren't mentally ill, you're absolutely right. you're right. with people who are troubled and knowingly troubled, doesn't that change the equation? maybe that loud speaker that you suggested actually might have been a better idea. loud speaker from the end of the hula hoop. stay outside of the hula hoop when you respond to this kind of a location that is so known to you for dangerous situations even in the past. >> i'll tell you this, very
unrealistic. each call is important. but with time constraints with police officers. that's totally unrealistic. the officers, their approach was perfect. but, still, let's go back to that hula hoop. keep in mind this, the suspect has a screw driver, that's a deadly weapon. someone sticking that screw driver in your eye, in your face, anywhere on your body. you would react negativety if somebody was that close to you. we have all seen in movies. let's not talk hollywood. let's talk realism. >> stories that police officers do suffer assaults on a regular basis. they do put themselves in dangerous situations on a regular basis. a reason we call them america's bravest. we appreciate you giving us some perspective. not often we hear that when we have a dead, mentally ill person. but we certainly need the guidance.
>> an attack on law enforcement and sometimes we make mistakes, but why is it when we don't make a mistake nobody is willing to stand up and say, look, there are tactics. although horrible in the end within training and within the decisionmaking that we give them and the circumstances present. that's what we need to see in america. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. next was jason harrison's death avoidable? his family said he didn't have to die and we're going to speak with him. his brother is going to join me live here on "legal view" right after the break. when you ache and haven't you're not you. tylenol® pm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. we give you a better night. you're a better you all day. tylenol®.
want to take you back into the story of the young dallas man who was shot and killed by police. people acting out can be a very difficult task for responders. most police, firemen and emt responders get special training for how best to manage these kind of emergencies and the mother of jason harrison says she called 911 like he had dozens of times in the past to ask for help in getting her son to the hospital. but this time she said it ended in tragedy. what i'm about tashow you is another clip from the body cam of one of the officers involved in the shooting. in it you can clearly hear the responding emts who came after the shots were fired talking about how they knew this victim from a previous call.
>> that's our guy. >> same one. >> you had something earlier? >> a couple weeks ago maybe we were here a couple weeks ago. we he was threatening his mom and brother. he had a knife. brother had a gun. couple weeks ago. they took him to green oaks, i believe. his brother said this happened several times. just a matter of time.
[ bleep ]. >> what was he doing this time? >> he was in the doorway with a screwdriver. >> threatening his mom, again? >> we don't know. >> he always threatens his mom. yeah. >> the last time his brother pulled a gun out on him because he had a butcher knife. threatening his mom. >> what did the call come out as, i don't even know. >> your call has been updated. >> bipolar schizophrenic son. >> now, imagine having to deal with a brother who is schizophrenic and bipolar and think about what it would be like if the people you trusted to help and protect your brother shot and killed him. that is the reality for my next guest. joining me is sean harrison. he is the brother of jason harrison. jason is that mentally ill man the dallas police officers shot
and killed this past june. thank you so much for being on the program. first and foremost, hair raising to hear your mother on that videotape. how is she doing? >> as well as expected. we're just, you know, surround her trying to keep her going. >> so, can you help shed some light on all of this? understanding that there is a lawsuit in place. but what, what did your mother see as she yelled first, jay, jay, jay no. after they had say drop it, drop it, guys. what was she yelling jay, jay, no. >> she was actually, i mean, standing there she was able to see everything that was going on. and she saw the guys, officers when they pulled their gun. and she was yelling at jason to just, whatever you're doing, just stop. because she saw exactly what was going to happen and she knows
that, unfortunately, he didn't. >> did he lunge at all at the officers? did he make any movement towards them? >> you know, if you look at the video, he made no lunge at no one. if you notice when he fell, he fell away from everyone. because he was already heading in that direction. away. because this guy was to his right yelling at him with a gun in his face. yelling. he went, he didn't want a confrontation. >> sean, let me ask you, the emts who arrived to try to treat jason were heard on that tape saying that they had been there just, i think, a couple weeks prior and they outlined something that sounded so troubling. an incident where they said your brother had a butcher knife. that he was threatening your mom and that they said jason's
brother had to pull a gun on him. is that you? are you the brother they are referring to? >> no. but he had threatened my mother. i mean, it wasn't like that. it was unfortunate. i heard that myself. and, you know, i just kind of looked at it myself and said, well, things come in all shape, col color. we deal with whatever comes our way. >> to be very clear. do you have another brother who has been in the home with your mother and jason in the past that may be the brother they are referring to? or are you jason's only brother? >> i'm the only brother. we have step brothers that come by, but, clearly, that's, that's not how that went. >> so, was jason every brandishing a butcher knife or ever threatening your mom at a time when she had to call for help? >> no. i've never seen him threaten my mother and, of course, she stated. she's never been threatened. you know, her calls are to get help because when he's off his
meds he talks and keeps her up all night. she doesn't get a chance to rest. that's how she knows he's off his meds. and she'll call him. >> and has she or any other member of the family called for help to 911 over 100 times? >> i would imagine. i mean, we're talking 18, 19-year time span. >> well, sean harrison. i hope that there is some kind of closure to all parties involved in this. it is so distressing to see it. and we're sorry that we're having to speak with you and your family under these circumstances. this is a terrible tragedy for you. i think it's a tragedy for everyone who is involved and certainly i hope it leads to some kind of solution for how to deal with the mentally ill in these kinds of calls. thank you, mr. harrison. >> thank you. coming up next, fraternity hazing. excessive drinking, racists
songs and just when you thought you heard it all, a frat's facebook page featuring nude girls. not the kind you might think. these ones were apparently passed out and had no idea they were being photographed and then broadcast online. the real shocker is, what these fraternity members are now saying about this. and who's really at fault? here's a hint. apparently me.
it seems every day we're seeing fraternity behavior. now, another fraternity chapter has been suspended for a year, this time at penn state university. the frat kappa delta. graphic photos of nude women, some who appear to be asleep or passed out. certainly not knowledgeable of what was happening. screen shots of graphic cell phone text messages. and one of the messages curiously said lol, delete those or we'll be on cnn in a week. and, guess what? you got your wish. could be the least of your worries, though. i want to bring in cnn comm commentator and legal analyst. they join me live now.
ladies, i want you to read you this quote from an interview with "philly magazine" from someone who clearly supports the fraternity and its right to have this facebook page. it was a satirical group. it wasn't intended to hurt anyone. it wasn't intended to demean anyone. it was an entirely satirical group and it was funny to some extent. some of the stuff, yeah, it's raunchy stuff. as you would expect from a bunch of college aged guys. and the magazine interviewer said you said the page was funny. what was funny about it? and the member said, it's not funny. funny is not always the right word. it is satire. can i ask you, ladies, is it also criminal? >> no. not criminal. >> and broadcast. >> pennsylvania just passed a law last year the intimate partner act.
only one of 15 states in the united states, ashleigh. they have revenge statutes. problem with pennsylvania is you have to prove that the person that posted it intended to harass the victim in the photograph by posting it. >> if this person had a relationship with a naked woman he photographed while she was sleeping and posted it online for the 144 members to laugh at, isn't that bad enough? >> it is bad enough. i actually disagree with mel. i wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see charges of invasion of privacy or at the very least harassment, which is always a typical catch all crime when you're looking at these sorts of situations. these women appear to have been photographed without their consent. clearly, an invasion of privacy. and, also, who is to say and i'm sure an investigation may bear this out. were those photographs used to extort anything out of those -- >> i wonder if the president of the university heard those comments because i'm going to read you what benson said in a
statement. the evidence offered by the facebook posting is apology, offensive and inconsistent with the university community's valus and expectations. some members of the university senior leadership believe it is and we are considering our options. so, if it ain't criminal, it could lead to the end of a very prominent system. thank you for your input into that. we'll continue to watch the story. thank you for watching, everybody. my colleague wolf blitzer begins right after this quick break. most of the products we all buy
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