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indiana became the 20th state with a law to defend religious practices, the backlash has been huge. companies have threatened pullbacks, other states have ordered boycotts, the likes of apple and the ncaa have weighed in negatively. and this would seem to be the result. >> i think it would be helpful and i'd like to see on my desk before the end of this week legislation that is added to the religious freedom restoration act in indiana that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses a right to deny services to anyone. we want to make it clear that indiana's open for business. we want to make it clear that hoosier hospitality is not a slogan, it's our way of life. >> i'm joined now by cnn's miguel marquez who is live in
indianapolis. miguel, i know you have a special guest with you. but, wow, this blowback was something that the governor said he did not expect. but he is having to deal with it. >> reporter: clearly he has caved. it's not clear how much he has caved or what that fix in this bill will look like. he seems to be talking about something that would include -- that the legislation that he signed into law would not surpass federal, state or local ordinances when it comes to gays, lesbians or other protected classes of citizens. but it's not clear. it's also not clear it can be done this week because the house and the legislature here, even though completely controlled by republicans, would have to suspend the work, suspend the rules and rush something through which is fairly unheard of in indiana. democrats in the minority in the house and the senate here in indiana will be holding a press conference at 1:00 to address
all of this. and the governor is saying that at this hour, they are still talking about the language that will be the fix for this bill. so it's not clear what we will see. i do want to bring in greg l luganis. you weren't in the press conference. why is it important to gain lesbians and transgender everywhere, what we're seeing in indiana? >> my husband's not from indy. he's from lafayette. but it's so important to me -- legislation like this hurts our lgbt and questioning youth. what kind of message are we sending our young people? there's a high rate of teen suicides against gay teens. i struggled with this growing up as a gay person.
>> reporter: the governor says there will be a fix. i don't know how closely puff followed the minutia of this bill and of what's happening here. but what do you want to see come out of the house and senate here in indianapolis? >> well, basically inclusion. that our rights are protected as the lgbt community. i've always felt embraced by india indiana, by indianapolis. i've been to olympic diving trials, nationals, pan american games here. i don't think it reflects the people of indiana. >> reporter: do you think indiana is getting a bad rap in all of this? >> i'm not going to say that indiana's getting a bad rap with this. something needs to be done. and i think that education needs to happen. sexual identity is -- you're born this way.
so you're excluding a portion of humanity. >> ashleigh, did you have a question? >> i'd love to get his reaction to what the governor said or didn't say. a fix, he didn't say what a fix was. and short of this notion of protection, it protected class for gays and lesbians in the state of indiana. what could possibly fix this bill? >> i don't know what can fix the bill. i really don't. you do have to include -- be inclusive. >> reporter: he said he wouldn't include a nondiscrimination law for gays and lesbians and transgenders across indiana which is something activists have asked for for many years. >> i come from california. we have prop 8.
we had to fight to defeat that. so that i can marry my soulmate, johnny, be legally married in the state of california. so we've had our issues with our own legislation in california. and it appears that that's what's happening here now in indiana. >> reporter: ashleigh, anything else? >> no. we're watching this. miguel, great reporting on that. i could hear the questions over and over again but i kept hearing a lot of the same answers. and i for one am dying to find out what this legislative fix will be. so far, no answers from the governor. no hints either. >> reporter: that's the question. >> that's really it. until we get that, there's so little to talk about other than those who are so frustrated. >> reporter: and i asked him during the very last part of the press conference whether he personally believed if individuals who were christian, they owned businesses, photographer
photographers, florists, if they should have to supply services for gays and lesbians for their weddings and he dodged the question. even though he says that indiana doesn't discriminate, it comes back to that question again and again, lesbian weddings and how that's throw a wrench into things. >> and what makes it so different as well from 1993 and for many of the other states like illinois where barack obama signed the legislation as well. there was protection for gays and lesbians in illinois. so it is different. it's not the same. and that's frustrating to hear it's the same. miguel marquez, thank you. and our great thanks to greg. huge fan of your incredible career. i wish i could talk to you about sports. but here we are anyway. but thank you both for working through these complicated concepts. another very, very important story here, we are just hours away right now, mere hours away
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the owner of the new england patriots, ever dreamed he would have to do in his life. and there you have it. look at your screen. that's exactly what he had to do this morning in aaron hernandez's murder trial. and there he is. he's being asked to lift that hand and swear an oath. because on june 19th, 2013, two days after a man named odin lloyd was murdered, mr. hernandez and mr. kraft were alone together at the patriots' stadium. >> did you say something to him to start the conversation? >> yes. >> and what was that, sir? >> i understood there was an incident that had transpired and i wanted to know whether he was involved and if he was, i wanted to make sure -- any player who comes into our system, i consider part of our extended family. and i wanted to get him help. >> okay.
so as a result, did you say this to the defendant? >> yes. >> and what did he say when you had asked him whether he was involved in this matter? >> he said he was not involved, that he was innocent and that he hoped at the time the murder incident came out -- because i believe he said he was in a club. >> he was not in the club. and i have some guests who will walk through this. susan candiotti is live outside the courthouse in fall river, massachusetts. here with me live, hln legal analyst, joey jackson, and former prosecutor dan shorer will weigh in on this one. first to you, susan. i can imagine you could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom because they sure kept it quiet that mr. kraft, who is legendary in the town where you are, in the state where you are, walked in to testify in a murder trial.
>> reporter: he sure is, especially after listening to hours' worth of cell phone records, this was a marquee witness for the prosecution. and, yes, the jury was on the edge of their seats, scribbling down notes. this does not fit into the prosecution's time line. here's why. jurors have been shown so far that he wasn't at a club at the time of the incident. that instead just after midnight, he was still at a bar in providence, rhode island, left that bar about 12:30 in the morning. surveillance video shows him arriving back at his house at 1:00 in the morning, then leaving about an hour later, still on video. the same car he was driving pulls up and picks up the victim in this case, prosecutors say, odin lloyd. and then that car -- you see it, according to prosecutors, again, on video, drive into an industrial park. and then a few minutes after odin lloyd is said to be killed,
shot dead six times, you see that same vehicle drive back into aaron hernandez's driveway, which is less than a mile away within just a few minutes. ashleigh, it just doesn't fit. >> it doesn't fit. it doesn't fit the defense time line. it sure fits the prosecution's time line because all along they've said this guy is lying. he's lied to all of those people saying he was elsewhere at the time of this murder. one thing i want to point out is this moment this moment where robert kraft was on the stand and he was specifically asked about this private conversation that he was having with aaron hernandez in the weight room where hernandez had been working out and had a couple of coaches nearby. listen to this. >> when you and aaron would see each other, you had a bit of a special greeting, didn't you? >> yes. >> and what was that, sir? >> he would always hug and kiss
me. >> you asked aaron to look you in the eye, didn't you? >> yes. >> and he did, didn't he? >> yes. >> and you asked him if he was involved and he said no? >> that's correct. >> and you wanted him to be straight with you, didn't you? >> yes. >> and you wanted to be straight with him, correct? >> yes. >> and you told him you would support him, didn't you? >> yes. >> and aaron told you he had nothing to do with this, isn't that right? >> he said he was innocent. >> he said he was innocent, joey jackson, dan shorer. jump in on this. if he's hugging and kissing this guy like he's family and says, look me in the eye and tell me if you had something to do with this or not, can't this cross for both sides of this trial? >> always does, ashleigh. it depends upon -- we as lawyers get the same information but we spin it differently.
and here's how. this is robert kraft. this is someone who said after you told him the story that i'll support you, this is the person you hugged and kiss. why? because he's a great guy. he's not a murderer. he wouldn't do that. so certainly the defense you could hear in closing will say that. dan, on the other hand, from the prosecution's perspective, i'm sure they'll say something different. >> why would a prosecutor put mr. kraft up there to say i hug and kiss this man, he's like family. he even said that in another sound bite that he's like family. >> that's just part of how it played out. but the big takeaway is that aaron hernandez is lying to robert kraft about where he was at the time of the murder. that shows tremendous consciousness of guilt. if you're accused of a murder and you're questioned about it, why would you lie if you weren't there? the fact that he says, i was at a club, when we know he was not at a club raises the big question the jury is going to consider. why was he lying about his whereabouts? >> i remember lying to my mom about being at a bar. i lied to the person i loved the most, right?
can't you say as a defense attorney, so he lied to bob kraft about where he was that night because he sure doesn't want bob kraft thinking he has anything to do with this. >> kraft is paying him $44 million. and certainly how you can be a misrepresenter of the truth, you might not be a murderer. could you establish that aaron hernandez is guilty of anything? you have to -- and i know the joint venture liability, you don't have to show he pulled the trigger. you just need to show that he actively participated, importuned and did other things to assist in the death. but at the end of the day, you establish he was there but he was merely present and didn't take part in that crime. he is what he said to bob kraft, innocent. >> but the analogy you used, when you lied to your parents, it's because you did something you weren't supposed to do. he's lying about where he was. is that because he was involved in the murder? >> and the statute of
limitations in my lie, definitely over 30 years when i did it. guys, thank you for that. i can't believe watching robert kraft walk into a murder case and thinking, that poor man, mortified that he's involved in any of this and has to do this kind of thing. my thanks to susan candiotti. dan and joey, stick around if you can. i don't know if you've looked at your clock lately. but everywhere around the world, everyone's looking at a clock right now because the iranians and the americans and a whole host of other players have fewer than six hours left to come to terms with a very important deal. it's somewhere in the hole in the middle of that table and no one knows if they'll push away from the table with anything at all. ♪ ♪ ♪
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there is nothing absolutely certain right now in the negotiations on iran's nuclear program except for the fact that we are less than six hours away from the deadline and that everything right now is at a critical stage. the iranian foreign minister and his counterparts from france and china and russia and britain and germany and the united states of america with the secretary of state john kerry, they are all sitting around that table in lausanne, switzerland. i want to take you live there where elise labott has been covering those talks from the beginning, probably knows more about them than just about anybody i know. i kept thinking today, it's
do-or-die day for this deal or is it? is it extension day for this deal? >> reporter: they'll come down to the wire. i spoke to secretary of state john kerry yesterday and he told me there was some light in the talks but still some what he called tricky issues. there are some sticking points. but negotiators are continuing to go down to the wire. they've been meeting all day and likely to go up till that deadline and even beyond it. ashleigh, this is a self-imposed deadline. the real deadline is june 30th when the interim agreement expires and they need to have a comprehensive deal. what they're looking for right now is a framework deal of political understandings that they can then negotiate into a fuller deal. so tomorrow, nothing happens, no one turns into a pumpkin or anything like that. this is a date where particularly the obama administration said it wants to make sure that iran is serious about making a full deal. and the obama administration wants to show those commitments to congress.
congress is really the elephant in the room here because if there is no deal by tomorrow, they're threatening, as you know, to impose sanctions by the end of the month -- next month. >> that's what i keep wondering about, which is why -- i always hear these end in extensions when they don't end in deals. can you tell me if they're showing their cards as to which of these issues is trickiest? >> reporter: i think there are a couple of very tricky issues. one is the research and development program. iran wants to continue to enrich uranium and do advanced nuclear research. in the end years of the deal, the international community wants to extend that throughout the duration of the 15-year deal and also those u.n. sanctions, iran wants them to go away on day one. international community wants to phase them out. those are really the two sticking points. they haven't really been able to come over those. but as they say, in the 11th hour, the negotiations are
always the toughest. >> well, there's always a little magic sometimes. elise labott, thank you for all your hard work in lausanne, switzerland. appreciate it. coming up next, back to our lead story, 20 states have religious freedom laws and there is a federal law, too, that passed with near unanimous support. so what on earth is it about indiana that is causing people to get so fired up? and what did the people of indiana wake up to on the front cover of "the indianapolis star"? that. why that made such a big difference, coming up next. [ female announcer ] when you're serious about fighting wrinkles, turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week, fine lines appear to fade. one month, deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. after one year, skin looks ageless. eh, yea, actually i do. one. it's mucinex fast-max night time and it's got a nasal decongestant. is that really a thing? it sounds made up. mucinex fast max night time for multi-symptom relief.
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liberty mutual insurance. in our breaking news this hour, indiana's answer to a three-word message from the state's largest newspaper, the question of fixing this now, this being a national firestorm erupting in the five short days since. governor mike pence signed indiana's religious freedom restoration act. the measure says and i quote, a governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if that burden is in furtherance of a compelling government interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest. defenders say that merely protects believers against undue encroachments on their religious faith or practices. but the critics say this legalizes discrimination against
gays and lesbians who are not a protected class in that state. just last hour, governor pence said that he wants to, quote, fix the law so that it explicitly bars discrimination. but i want to hear what my lawyers have to say about that, because that's also a very big tricky piece of business. joey jackson and dan shorer are here. i kept listening and listening for about 30 minutes as the governor said that he wants legislation on his desk by this week to fix whatever ails this bill. but mostly he said what ails the bill is me, the media, apparently we've grossly mischaracterized, we've been reckless in our reporting and we have smeared the bill. legally speaking, how do you unsmear gross mischaracterization? i'm a little confounded. >> there's a political answer. but i'll stay away from that and address the law. the devil is in the details of
the bill. the fact is he keeps invoking that, it's modeled after the federal bill but it's much broader than the federal bill. so you can't really say that. he also says, well, barack obama when he was a senator in illinois, he voted for a measure that was just like this in illinois. but actually it was different. and not only was it different, but illinois protects sexual orientation as a protected class. so the bottom line is we can debate it all day and all night. but unless you amend the civil rights code of indiana to include sexual orientation as a protected class, we'll have a problem. >> that's what i keep wondering. i want to give the benefit of the doubt of indiana who i know to be good people. i can't imagine that they would want to discriminate against gays and lesbians. what can they do to somehow ensure as the governor says that it will not give anyone the right to discriminate, quote, unquote? >> joey said it. it's adding to the state law. >> he said he won't do that.
what else? >> he said it's not on his agenda and if the legislature passed that, he hasn't specifically said he would veto that. he said a protected class for gays and lesbians is not on the fix list. >> doesn't mean he would veto it if it was passed. >> could you see anything that you could put into this code so that it can ensure that no one has the right to discriminate? by the way, i can repeat that 100 times because governor pence repeated it about 100 times. >> and dan and i can repeat 100 times if you want to fix this, you add sexual orientation as a measure to this bill and no one could say anything about you not doing the right thing. >> when asked if he expected this blowback, his answer was, heavens, no. this is a picture of the governor signing the bill. this is not the right photograph -- we have to get the
photograph that micah clark tweeted out. he was standing alongside eric miller and curt smith. if you read the sublines below these names, micah clark actually provides resources to families who want to help therapeutic assistance for their family members and their unwanted homosexuality. people are very offended by that in the lgbt community. eric miller is part of a grassroots effort to pass a law of marriage between one man and one woman. i'm not sure those are the right people to put behind you when you sign the bill if you're not something you call a gross mischaracterization, reckless reporting and a smear against the bill for those who say it's an anti-gay marriage bill. am i wrong?
>> i can't say that you are wrong, ashleigh. >> am i crazy? >> not at all. there's a timing issue, too. this comes on the backdrop of what indiana attempted to do, which is to ban same-sex marriage. they were unsuccessful in doing it. it went into effect. same-sex marriages just in october of last year. so the timing seems to be suspicious. and that's why people in the gay community are very concerned. >> hold that thought for a minute. there's been more backlash from a critical money-making sector for indiana, the sports world. the teams playing in the final four in indianapolis weekend, here's what some of them are saying. duke says it stands alongside the lgbt community in seeking a more equal and inclusive world and we deplore any effort to legislate bias and discrimination. michigan state saying, quote, we hope the citizens and lawmakers of that state can reach a consensus on how to best welcome all people regardless of
background. and this from nascar, quote,
nascar is disappointed by the recent legislation passed in indiana. we will not embrace nor participate in exclusion or intolerance. and may i also say to mike pence, it's not just the media that's criticized you. all those business owners are not grossly mischaracterizing and reckless in their regard for your bill. other governors who are just as smart as you and understand legislation have said the same thing. so, please, stop blaming us. coming up next, the crash in the alps is raising a lot of questions. why isn't there more psychological screening for pilots or for that matter, anyone who has hundreds of lives in their hands at any given time? bus drivers, subway and train conductors, ferry captains? what
can we do about this?
we now have a possible motive for why andreas lubitz crashed flight 9525 into the alps. the german newspaper "bild" quoting an investigator says lubitz was worried his medical issues would force him out of a job which may have led him to crash the plane. investigators are not confirming that. but say lubitz did suffer from depression and had suicidal tendencies in years past. but the aviation authority that certified his license had no idea that he suffered from any mental illness. a german aviation source tells cnn that lubitz passed his annual recertification test in the summer. i want to talk about how this tragedy in the alps could be prevented with cnn aviation analyst les abend. i was looking at the time line on this man's life. he had a psychotic depression treatment back in his 20s, well
before he ever became a member of lufthansa and would have had to take some kind of psychological screening in order to become a pilot with them. then in '09, he was described an anti-depressant medication. in 2010, he received antipsychotic injections of medication. and yet in 2013 he became a pilot for lufthansa. does any of that sort of pass the smell test your you in terms of the kinds of screenings that go on. >> no. it's a red flag to me. this man went through a process that we don't even do here in the states. he started from ground zero in his flight training. somewhere in that process, all the screening should have taken place. we should have discovered that. you're talking 2008 to 2013. lufthansa is a top-notch airline. and they must have some decent screening aspect to them for him to get that kind of medical treatment during training -- and, remember, there was a break that he had.
that in and of itself should have been a red flag. >> you reminded me about the program that's available to some pilots on a voluntary basis, if they want to be armed in the cockpit, they have to go through the program and be certified for it. god forbid there might be -- it's for our safety but god forbid one of those people with a gun could be this man. >> let me tell you, there's an interesting -- the process to become and to volunteer to become a federal flight deck officer is pretty intense. you have to go through a screening process. there was a congressman in arizona that even said to the folks that volunteered, you don't need a screening process, you're airline pilots. guess who said, we do need a screening process? pilots. they did a program that's an evaluation -- those of us that participated went through a screening process additionally
and then the program itself is very intense. at the very end of the program, we -- what was used was a fuselage of an aircraft and scenarios went through three separate times with defensive tactics, somebody trying to intrude the cockpit and this process, we had to decide whether to shoot, not shoot. but the individuals that are involved with this program now are intensity trained and intensely screened. >> you mentioned something i found intriguing. that was that there's a physical lock on the cockpit door as well. this might have been something -- if you were able to get your trained aviators ears on the cockpit voice recorder, you would be able to determine if lubitz used the electronic lock sitting in his co-pilot seat or if he got up and physically locked that door. >> it's possible.
we don't know what the investigation team is doing itself. could we hear that sound? yes. if that mechanical lock was locked, there's no way that he was getting into that cockpit. on the ground -- >> there is no digital override to that locked door if you do it manually at the door? >> right. and if somebody attempted to get in with the manual method from the opposite side, the electronic would override it. so there's a good chance -- >> two ways that he could keep him out. >> yes. and a lot of maintenance uses that method on the ground. >> more questions than answers. les, thank you. here's an interesting question. are americans' lives worth more than europeans' lives when it comes to compensation? you might be very surprised to find out that, yes, and there's a very good explanation for it. that's next. ♪
i want to turn now to the families of the passengers who were on board flight 9525. each of their deaths is an incalculable and irreplaceable loss. but when it comes to earthly compensation, the sad fact is that some victims will be valued higher than others. it's hard to believe. but it's true. and the families of american victims may receive much, much
higher compensation than those of european or south american or asian victims. joining me now talk about how the process actually works and why that's so is aviation expert justin green. the sad truth is that's the way it works and why is that? >> the law actually tries to bring the people back to the way they were before. they can't bring the person back. and every family i've ever represented, the one thing that they want is something that we can't provide, which is turn back the time before the accident. but what they can do is make sure that their children are going to be able to go to college, that the mortgage is going to be paid -- >> why is it so noncommensurate? i don't understand why a european banker is worth less than a new york banker. >> two things. one is the laws passed in the country and also society, how society deals with these types of losses.
here in the u.s., we compensate fully for the losses. in other nations, they really limit what people can recover. and it's a trade-off between the family -- whether the families are going to have the same standard of living going forward or whether an insurance carrier is going to have to pay a little bit more. >> effectively, what you're saying is if you can get jurisdiction in the united states and you can launch a suit if they're even going to need to at this point because lufthansa is probably going to compensate handsomely a lot of these passengers, is it because we tend to give higher rewards in the u.s.? >> generally everywhere in the world, they will compensate families for their financial losses. those are called economic damages. there's also a concept of noneconomic damages, which is the pain and suffering, the grief of the survivors. often those are very, very limited overseas. and even if some state, one of the things you have to understand, each state in the united states has different laws.
new york's law is different from connecticut's. connecticut gives noneconomic damages. new york's doesn't. >> what about the difference between a mechanic who might be sitting in row 21c and the wall street banker sitting in 1c. would they be complicated differently as well? >> yes. it deals with the economic damages. the law is designed to bring their potential position back to what it was before. >> the bankers' wife and children would have expected 20 or 30 years more of income level -- >> they've bought a house, put the kids in private school, perhaps. and the law says, look, you took that person, you took this earning stream, this support stream away, you have to replace it. unfortunately in a way, each life is valued the same. the law really doesn't value lives. it compensates families. >> it restores the families to where they were, whether they were kindergarten teachers or mechanics or bankers, et cetera.
hard to process that. but i suppose it makes sense in that very sad way. justin, thank you. appreciate the insight. coming up, we're just getting word that there are no more witnesses coming in the boston marathon bombing trial. which means the defense is wrapping up its case. you heard that right. a matter of minutes, that's all it really was. so what's the strategy here for dzhokhar tsarnaev? big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. in love with mornings again. i love how it conforms to my body.
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our breaking news a short time ago in boston, dzhokhar tsarnaev's defense announced it has no more witnesses to call on his behalf. after just four witnesses in two days, the defense effectively is almost wrapping up its case. apparently they want to show a couple of photographs before they do that. but compare the defense's four witnesses to the prosecution's 92 witnesses over 15 court days. the government's case culminated yesterday with perhaps one of the ugliest facts about tsarnaev. the medical examiner described unspeakable injuries to the youngest victim who died on the sidewalk that day. the last words in the state's case, quote, martin richard was 8 years old. alexandra field is live outside the courthouse in boston. here's my guess. short case because it's really all about the death phase now
and making this a life-or-death case and trying to save his life. >> reporter: right. we know once you have the closing arguments and once there's the reading of the instructions to the jury, once there's the deliberation, you move into basically a reset here. the start of a new trial which could last several more weeks in which the jury would then consider whether or not the death penalty would be on the table. but right now, looks like we are beginning to come to the end of this first phase of the trial. the defense stood up after their four witnesses and said they didn't intend to call anyone else. and then they went to a sidebar to discuss showing the jury some photographs. what we saw over the last day really, just yesterday afternoon and this morning, was a very short case put up by the defense. and it didn't focus on dzhokhar. it focused an tamerlan, who was killed nearly two years ago. that was the intention of the defense from the very beginning. they said that they were going
to show the jury that tamerlan's prints were all over this, that he was the mastermind, that dzhokhar was the pawn. they set out that literally really do that this morning. they called in a fingerprint technician. >> i apologize, i have to interrupt. i have to get to the white house. we have breaking news. josh earnest there is giving his live briefing. let's listen. >> the signing of the law is indicative of how this piece of legislation flies in the face of the kinds of values that people all across the country strongly support. and we've seen the governor and other indiana officials in damage control mode here because this law has provoked an outcry from business leaders across the state of indiana. we've seen criticism from even religious groups inside the state of indiana. we've seen concerns raised by
the republican mayor of indianapolis about the impact that this law would have on the economy of the state. and understandably we see business leaders saying they are reluctant to do business in a state where their customers or even their employees could be subjected to greater discrimination just because of who they love. that's not fair. it's not consistent with our values as a country that we hold dear. and i think that's what has provoked the strong outcry. and i think it's what has provoked the previously defiant governor to consider a position of changing the law. >> there are some legal scholars and supporters of the law that says it's a 1993 federal law upheld by the courts. does the president feel a need to amend that law? >> the governor says the laws are the same. that is not true.
the reason that that's not true is that the 1993 law was an effort to try to protect the religious liberty of religious minorities based on actions that could be taken by the federal government. the indiana law is much broader. it doesn't just apply to individuals or religious minorities. it applys to, quote, a partnership, a limited liability corporation, a company, a firm, a society, a joint stock company, or an unincorporated association. this is a significant expansion of the law in terms of the way that it would apply. it leaves open the question what sort of religious views a joint stock company may hold. but that's something for the lawyers to ponder. at the same time, it's also worth noting that the law in indiana doesn't just apply to interactions with the government. it also applies to private transactions as well.