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the life of boston marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev is in the hands of a jury. the key question right now, is he a cold blooded killer or was he manipulated by his older brother? the gop presidential field just got more crowded. rand paul throwing his hat in the ring for 2016. all eyes on kentucky as he's about to take the stage. an early look at his campaign and the campaign already coming out against him. a call for backup in war-torn yemen. pakistan weighing a request to help in the fight against the
shiite rebel group that has the country's president on the run. could this signal a ground war? what that escalation would mean for the u.s. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. john berman is off today. a step toward closing a very painful chapter for the people of boston. a jury deliberating right now on the case against the surviving marathon bomber, dzhokhar tsarnaev. we're waiting for their decision on 30 counts that are against him. a decision that could come any minute. no one questions his involvement in the bombing. his own attorney said very clearly he was there at the beginning of the case but the verdict that folks are waiting will guide the next critical phase. the punishment. in this case that punishment could be death. alexandra field is live in boston. you've been following this case minute by minute.
what are you hearing so far this morning? >> reporter: kate, there's a lot for the jury to consider. they stepped out to begin their deliberations two hours ago. seven women, five men behind doors. they have to review testimony they heard from 96 witnesses over the course of this trial and they can have access to hundreds of pieces of evidence. no one expects it will take the jury a terribly long time to come to their conclusion. they have to read through each of these 30 charges. 17 of these charges come with the possibility of a death sentence. so if the jury convicts on just one of those 17 charges, then this trial moves into the penalty phase. if that phase we'll hear a lot more from the defense. they've already said that it was him. that dzhokhar did it but they'll continue to argue during the penalty phase he was influenced by his older brother. his attorney said he's ready to take responsibility in the form of a verdict in the next phase of this trial they'll fight to save had his life. prosecutors telling the jury before they left during those
closing arguments that he planned an attack an wanted to terrorize america and accomplished that. they left the jury with images of 8-year-old martin richard killed in the bomb blast. they showed dzhokhar tsarnaev standing near him and said there's no way he could not have seen the children who were out there that day to watch the marathon. very powerful arguments that the jury is weighing right now. soon at some point we'll hear what they decided on the 30 counts that they are tasked with looking at, kate. >> powerful images, horrific memories for folks in boston, which means folks inside boston and far, far beyond all waiting for that jury to return and to give their verdict. alexandra field is on the scene for us. thank you so much. we're keeping a close eye on that courtroom. also this, i am running for president to return our country to the principles of liberty and limited government. those are the words of now presidential contender rand paul announcing on his website this morning he is in. paul is expected to make the big official announcement if you
will to supporters in louisville, kentucky, within the hour. he's promising to be a different kind of republican who wants to defeat the washington machine. how is he going to do that? chief congressional correspondent dana bash is in louisville for that big announcement. he's in. the big announcement still to come. what should folks expect to hear from rand paul this morning? >> reporter: that's right. you see the crowd is gathering behind me. they're going to see a series of videos before they actually hear from him or his wife who will introduce him which will lay out a series of aspects of his life that people might not know a lot about but his campaign wants people to know about the fact that he was an opt and going to
places where he says people have forgotten. the other thing that is probably hard to see because it's dark here but it's very noteworthy being in the room are the people that are here. young people. the very same sort of grassroots coalition that helped really push his father, ron paul's presidential campaign in the last election in 2012. rand paul very much is set apart from the other republican candidates in that he inherited them, and they're here in full force. we're told that after the event they'll go next door to another room in this hotel where they will phone bank and have a contest to see how many phone calls they can make and the winner gets to meet with rand paul. it's that kind of goal of tapping into the youth movement that really does again set rand paul aside from others. the flip side though as you know is that rand paul's father, ron, had some fringe ideas
particularly on foreign policy. he was very much viewed as an isolationist and that is already hurting rand paul and he's trying and has been for the past year to move away from his father's ideology on that. went from opposing or supporting cuts in the military to more recently increasing cuts in the military as he tried to change and the republican electorate is more hawkish. >> what role ron paul will play in this campaign is a big question. we'll talk more about that later in the hour. dana is on the ground waiting for that big announcement happening soon. dana, thank you so much. republican field getting crowded. a little more crowded. it will get more crowded before we're done. turning our attention to this. the chaos and fighting in yemen is growing worse by the day. a country that's a key u.s. ally in the fight against terrorism. saudi arabia, which is leading an air campaign there, is now asking pakistan for support. aircraft, warships, and maybe
most noteworthy, soldiers. possibly signaling a ground war. the saudis are trying to push back the shiite rebel group that's taken over parts of the country. the toll on the people there has been absolutely awful. some 600 people are believed to be dead since the beginning of this bombing campaign, which began just over a week ago. today air strikes hit a school killing three students, injuring several more. senior international correspondent is joining us with more on this. what's the latest you're hearing right now? >> reporter: kate, it's now almost the end of the second week of that saudi led coalition offensive to try to return the democratically collected government to yemen. we're not seeing it breaking the back of the houthi led offensive. what we're seeing is some almost street by street fighting especially in the crucially strategic areas like down south.
fighting is pressed up against that southern shore of yemen. so now saudi arabia seems to be sending all signals that would lead us to believe that they are preparing very much for a ground offensive. pakistan mulling saudi request for heavy artillery air cover but also on the ground troops. this all comes as 16 million people inside those houthi controlled areas are living without power, without basic resources, many of them without access to clean water. very, very little food now we're told remaining in many of those stores and supermarkets. one man we spoke to said that it really is the most horrible choice that you have to make. it's either stay home, where at least you hope you're safe, or go out into the streets and try to find something for your family in shops that are shuttered. the home is when this began that this would be over quickly and
as we come into a third week, that doesn't seem to be the case. doesn't look like it will end any time soon. >> the focus has largely been on fighting and potential of a ground operation, you well point out this becoming a humanitarian crisis on their hands. thank you very much. other stories that we're keeping an eye on "at this hour." president obama continues his sales pitch for the tentative framework deal over iran's nuclear program and pushing back -- continuing to try to pushback against critics of the agreement. he's speaking to npr and called the israeli prime minister's demand forcing the right of iran to exist misguided. >> the notion that we would condition iran not getting nuclear weapons in a verifiable deal on iran recognizing israel is really akin to saying that we
won't sign a deal unless the nature of the iranian regime completely transforms and that is, i think, a fundamental misjudgment. >> fundamental misjudgment. the president also took a swipe at potential 2016 presidential candidate scott walker who promised to undo a nuclear deal with iran. also "at this hour," a father's health is improving but his two teenage sons are still in a coma after they came into contact with a powerful pesticide. powerful chemical during their vacation in the u.s. virgin islands. the epa now says there is evidence of this chemical in the condo that they were renting at this resort. the justice department launched a criminal investigation and the resort has now terminated its contract with the pest control company. we're talking more about what this chemical is and what it means and what it can do to the
body and where else it might be found a little later this hour. also at any moment, ex-nfl football star aaron hernandez's fate may move from the courtroom to a juryroom. lawyers in the murder trial of the former new england patriots tight end are wrapping up closing arguments. the prosecution just began theirs. the trial has lasted more than nine weeks and included testimony from 135 witnesses. hernandez is accused of killing his friend, odin lloyd, back in 2013. remember after this trial wraps, regardless of what happens, hernandez faces two additional murder indictments stemming from a 2012 boston nightclub dispute. ahead for us "at this hour," how soon will boston marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev learn his fate? little question he's guilty but of how many counts and what punishment will he face? possibly death. what are the factors the jury is
weighing at this moment? that's ahead. and hindsight is 20/20. criticism the government there took too long to respond to last week's university massacre. christiane amanpour will join us more on her exclusive interview on the massacre in kenya. the eye enhancement lenses that comfortably accentuate your eyes' natural beauty. ask your doctor today about 1-day acuvue® define™ brand. don't hide it... tackle it with fda-approved jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. once applied, jublia gets to the site of infection by going under, around, and through the nail. most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. tackle it!
all along the defense said that dzhokhar was a follower swayed by his radicalized older brother. will that argument stick in the penalty phase? legal analyst mel roberts and mark o'mara. this is a critical point in this first phase. mel, first to you, they're deliberating. what is this jury weighing behind closed doors? >> they're basically weighing an enormous amount of evidence against him and they're also taking into consideration, kate, the fact that the defense counsel, dzhokhar's own attorney said not only in the opening but in the close, he did it. he's accepting full responsibility. she even said he fully participated. she did not even attempt to knock out any one of the 30 counts. i would imagine we're going to see a very swift verdict in this case and you're going to see a conviction on all 30 counts most
likely. >> mark, the defense attorney, judy clark, well known for her work on death penalty cases. she also said this. in many different ways but one way she said it was very notable. tamerlan led. dzhokhar followed. did she make a strong enough case for that. she's looking ahead to the penalty phase already. >> the only point of the whole defense team is to convince one juror, not that he's not guilty, that's not going to happen, but one juror he should not be put to death because they need to have a unanimous verdict for death in order for it to be imposed in this case. so their whole thought process is not to do anything other than to decide or have a jury decide to save his life. >> what is judy clark trying to get at when she said more than once keep an open mind. what is she trying to lay the groundwork for there? >> she's very good at
personalizing her client and she has to do that by maintaining her own integrity with the jury so that's why i think it was a great move by the defense team to give into what they know is going to be proven. they're not going to walk out without convictions as mel said on almost all of the counts. if she can maintain her integrity and get that jury to say he's less guilty than his brother, he was following in his brother's lead, then they may decide that he's less guilty than the ultimate penalty, a death penalty, and give him something less in this case has to be the life sentence. >> mel, we touched on this yesterday. i want to get more of your thoughts. this is a federal case which is why the death penalty can be considered here. massachusetts is not a death penalty state. you have that element as part of this conversation, part of this case, who do you think that helps? you have at one hand you have this case being heard in massachusetts. this happened in boston. this affected everyone in that state and across the country. on the other hand, you're in a
state that is not supportive of the death penalty. how do you weigh that? >> kate, it's a great question. how do you weigh the death penalty in a state that's been historically against it yet had a terrorist attack happened and in fact we're going to be running the boston marathon in just about a week here in boston and so the thing that i think is more important, kate, is you have two jurors, two jurors on this case in particular one a woman who works for a bookstore who said she's against, opposed to the death penalty but she would be willing to impose it under certain circumstances. you have a second juror on this particular case who says he's unsure about the death penalty. all this defense attorney needs and mark is absolutely right. what she did a fantastic job of in the guilt phase of this trial, kate, is she kept her credibility by saying he was there, by saying he accepts full responsibility, by saying you need to come down and make him held accountable for this thing,
she's actually in a weird way set herself up to be considered in the guilt phase and two jurors in particular she's going to be speaking to. she knows that they're on the fence and when she puts in the mitigating factors, i'm sure those two along with others, that's the backdrop for whether or not they're going to get a unanimous verdict for the death penalty. >> we're watching that case very closely. this verdict could come as soon as they get it at any -- they have it. when they get called back into the courtroom, we'll cover that. it could happen quickly. mark, i want to get one final thought on the other big case, the one against aaron hernandez, former star of the new england patriots. this case has gone on for so long. they've had more than 100 witnesses take the stand. people like bob kraft, owner of the patriots and even hernandez's fiance taking the stand. a lot of star factor in watching this case.
when it comes down to it, a lot of circumstantial evidence. do you think after all of this there's a chance that hernandez could walk away? >> yes. there's a chance. here's why. it is all circumstantial evidence and under massachusetts law, the circumstantial evidence instruction says you can use your common sense but the circumstantial evidence all has to be inconsistent with his innocence and if the defense attorney did a good job and focused the jury on the fact that all circumstantial evidence has to do away with any possibility, any chance of innocence and if it doesn't, it's not persuasive enough for a verdict of guilty. there's a chance they can sit back and say there's a bunch of smoke here but we don't see enough fire and let him go. >> that's another case we're watching very closely. you guys need to stay close. mel robbins, mark o'mara, thank
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today there is a vigil for those students who dreamed of a better life. air strikes continue to pound camps where al shabab is faced. the kenyan government is facing questions on whether the attack could have been prevented, one, and two, about the response. hundreds of students marched in protest. they say kenyan security failed them. christiane amanpour is joining us. you sat down in an exclusive interview with the foreign minister of kenya. you asked the tough questions of did they -- why were the rapid response teams so slow. let's listen to what the foreign minister said. >> the response was adequate and because it was close to the university and one cannot actually say that the response was slow. obviously when parents are grieving and the country is mourning, it's always, you know,
easy to fall back on things like that. i can assure you that we took a very quick action as soon as this was reported. >> are folks accepting that? >> no. as we were having that conversation, i basically jumped at the word adequate. i said how can you call 150 people who have been slammed into the dirt and shot execution style in the back of the head an adequate response to what happened? and frankly after that interview, kenyans just went on social media and really denounced that comment. and today as you just reported, there have been hundreds of students marching through nairobi saying how is our government going to protect us, the students, the soft targets and banging on police cars and army vehicles saying where were you? where were you so late? our own journalists colleagues say it took some journalists less time to reach garissa than rapid reaction forces. the government promised that
something like the west gate mall would not happen again and fact of the matter is obviously you can't have 1,000% security but they are consideringed not to be doing a good job against al shabab which analysts say are at the weakest in the last ten years and the government isn't able to confront them properly. >> you're hearing from the government this time around because you made an excellent point. a similar soft target though even less deadly attack happened and everyone remembers the west gate mall in 2013. after that as you point out in the interview, the president said this will not happen again. it's happened again. is the government making anything close to that kind of promise or can they make that kind of promise this time around? >> i don't think they would dare to make that promise again. how do you beat these people back? it's not just somalis coming ei across the border. you have kenyan forces part of the african union force bashing
al shabab inside somali and al shabab don't like that. some kenyan opposition forces say let's pull out. the other thing is and we see this more and more, this radicalization that is not the usual suspect so to speak. one of the people killed as an attacker turns out to have been the son of a government official. >> what did the foreign minister say to that? >> they are all very upset about it. the president himself says, look, we're not immune to this kind of radicalization. some of these terrorists are embedded within us and it's a huge operation to try to push this kind of terrorism back. the people are saying, you know, we want to be safe. we're students. how come there wasn't adequate protection at least at our university? >> you gave her ample opportunity to answer the question. it just didn't seem -- it seemed there was a disconnect and
they -- >> it's been defensive, the response, let's face it. the response from kenyan government has been really on the back foot on the defensive and in fact this same foreign minister who herself is muslim and also somali origin and you can see incredibly well spoken. thank the united states for their support. she said basically why isn't it that anybody recognizes when we save and stop attacks? why is it just like in a football game -- welcome to every government. >> you have to be on and right 100% of the time. terrorists have to be right 1% of the time. >> some governments are making a bigger effort against them. what is happening across east africa, north africa, yemen, the arabian peninsula, syria, iraq, is a very troubling confluence of radicalism and extremism just unbridled and it's posing a huge amount of challenges to all of the various governments.
as yet, there hasn't really been unlike when al qaeda was pushed back after the surge, pushed back in iraq, pushed back in afghanistan after 9/11, there's a popping up of all of these groups when no one government able to push it back. yemen isn't doing better and saudis are leading a multiair coalition there. >> the attacks continue in somalia. they have continued before this attack and after this massacre against al shabab. it was important to highlight and have that official on because there are questions and now i would argue they've spurred protests on the ground there. >> people are very worried. >> great to see you. ahead for us "at this hour," as yemen collapses into chaos, many countries are getting their citizens out. the united states not yet. will they? what does the u.s. need to do more of? that's next. denver international is one of the busiest airports
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"at this hour" yemen is descending into complete chaos. air strikes hit a school and three students were killed and some 600 people have died since the air campaign began just over a week ago. the human toll of stopping what is thought to be the iranian backed houthi rebels from taking over this key u.s. ally has been
steep. now, saudi arabia is asking pakistan for military aid in the form of warships, aircraft and soldiers signaling the ground war could be coming soon. cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd is here to discuss and author of the newly released book "the head game." phil, great to see you. the saudi led air campaign is in its 12th day. folks said this would be fast and swift and get done. it's in its 12th day. a question to what degree of success even though the saudi ambassador told wolf yesterday they've had huge success. what do you think the view is from the u.s.? >> i don't understand how people can talk about quick success. you look at counterterrorism campaigns around the world talking about philippines and indonesia and our campaign in afghanistan still ongoing 14 years later, 12 days is less than a blink of an eye. i think there is success here in terms of stemming the onslaught of houthi rebels. if you are watching people like
this, the rebels speak, they hate airpower. the problem and this is where pakistanis come in, the problem is what happens after. once you stop the advance through the capital, what's the government when the president isn't there anymore? >> that's where the focus probably is for u.s. intelligence and that's where i want to ask you. they ask pakistan for support including ground troops. you would point to potential of a huge escalation if they move into ground operation. from the u.s. perspective on that element, is that a smart move or does that simply risk more lives and open up more of a vacuum or more space for al qaeda to capitalize? >> i don't think you can talk about stabilizing yemen without a ground presence. it would be sort of like talking about stabilizing iraq without a ground presence. not going to happen. iraqi army has to deliver if you're going to have some kind of stable government there. what we've had now is the
initial stage of using airpower which can stop elements of an insurgency from moving forward. it can't work with the u.n. to say if we stopped the move forward of the houthies, now what happens with a political process to reinstall the government that left. if you want that political process to come after air strikes, you have to have forces on the ground to stabilize. >> what is that political process? you and i have discussed this. you have two fronts if you will happening in yemen. you have the shiite rebels taking over parts of the country. you have influence of al qaeda and they're capitalizing on the chaos, and in the middle of all this you have citizens, some 600 have died since just the air strikes began and now you've got countries trying to pull their citizens out, u.s. not so much yet. what happens? >> the concept is simple. the execution is like everything i dealt with in national security. execution is tough. concept is we have arab spring
like it worked in egypt and like it worked in libya replace the government. you have a government that's acknowledged by the u.s. and the international community and that government has been ousted by the houthies. a couple questions come up here. simple concept. reinstall that government. internationally accepted but the game has changed. number one, houthies will say excuse me, what's our role in this. our role has to be bigger than it was before. we own the capital now. you have a second question that will come afterwards. how do you then aid this government to continue prosecuting a war quickly against al qaeda in the south. i think that the idea of installing a government has to be the principle sort of conclusion of anybody going in and saying what do we do? the question is how will you do that now that the game has changed and houthies control the capital. they will want a piece of the power. >> you have a growing humanitarian crisis happening in yemen right now. phil, great to see you. >> thank you. coming up, we have some
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big announcement could be coming regarding u.s. relations with cuba. let's get you over to the white house where sunlen serfaty is standing by. what are we expected to hear? there could be a recommendation to remove cuba from the list of state sponsors of terror? >> reporter: this just into cnn from a state department official that the u.s. is expected to recommend that cuba be removed from the state sponsor of terrorism list. this is a major potential announcement. it could come within a day or two. the white house says they are nearing its completion of a review. back in december when president obama announced the normalizing of relations with cuba, he
ordered the state department to make a review of how cuba was with terrorism. he said then that the standard and conditions that cuba would need to reach that they would then not face these sanctions and we hear the review is upon completion. after the review is sent to president obama he'll approve or deny it but we expect that president obama will approve that. it will be sent to congress. they have 45 days to approve the decision to remove cuba from the state sponsor of terrorism list. kate? >> this would be a big first step and huge first hurdle in establishing embassies in havana and washington. this recommendation process coming from the white house. thank you so much. it comes at a critical time just to put it into context for us. an important time because the president is about to head over to panama to meet with many countries and some of the americas where the deputy national security adviser has said it's likely the president
will have interactions with the president of cuba, raul castro. we'll watch that closely. >> ahead for us "at this hour," rand paul is jumping in. the kentucky senator is expected to take the stage at the top of the hour to formally announce a run for the white house in 2016. has he built a brand that can get him there?
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saying he wants to defeat the washington machine. kentucky republican senator rand paul is running for president. he'll make the official official -- i don't know how many announcements you need but more than one this day in age. just minutes from now right there in louisville, kentucky. on his website today, he said this. i'm running for president to return our country to the principles of liberty and limited government. joining ining me to discuss, g borger and ryan lizza. so gloria, early on we have to have an idea already of what a rand paul campaign is going to look like. what do you think? >> well, he's going to talk about government being too big and the republican party needing to grow itself. those are going to be two key themes. what he's got to do here is kind of find that sweet spot for himself.
keeping the republican base happy, convincing him he is as robust as republicans are on things like national security. and also keeping those enthusiastic libertarian supporters liking him. some of them have been a little critical of him saying he's gotten too fuzzy on the issues for them. and so he's got to kind of walk a fine line here and also appeal to the establishment of the republican party, many of whom think he doesn't have the national security credibility to be their candidate. >> that sounds like a huge challenge. walking the fine line is not something that politicians can do very well very often. ryan, you have done some extensive reporting about rand paul. you've followed him very, very closely in his growth and development as a politician. when he says that he wants to run as a washington outsider, he wants to defeat the washington machine, let's be honest, he's a senator from kentucky. he used very artfully the filibuster, the most washington
of washington tactics on the senate floor. how can he really effectively run as a washington outsider? >> yeah, you have to wonder about politicians who rail against washington and their whole lives are revolved around getting to washington to work. i agree a lot with what gloria said in terms of the challenges he has. he rose here in kentucky during a period when republicans were turning against george w. bush. that's how he won here in kentucky, both in the primary and the general election. he ran against the establishment of the republican party. and he ran back then against the iraq war and bush's foreign policy. and that was a moment in the republican party where people were a little bit more receptive to the more isolationist foreign policy. things have changed in the last two years. the rise of isis has really changed the mentality of republicans when it comes to foreign policy.
and they're a lot closer to where they were in the bush era than they were -- than rand's foreign policy. that's the biggest challenge he has right now is selling that foreign policy to a republican base that is no longer with him on that. i think he's had the most challenging year over the last year in sort of figuring out where he fitz in. >> ron paul's views haven't changed a lot. he knows exactly the views that he has. he ran -- when he ran presidential campaigns, he ran on fringe elements, it wasn't as if he was ever going to make a real run for the candidacy. what is the role of ron paul when his son is running? does that matter? >> i think if you want to keep the libertarian base that's very enthusiastic and involved, rand paul is not going to shove his dad to the side. he's also not going to make him
front and center because some of his father's views he's had to temper to a great degree. he doesn't consider himself an isolationist per se. and one of the things we're going to be looking at to ryan's point is how rand paul positions himself on this iran deal. he's been very cautious about it. he's saying he's going to take a look at it. he is clearly -- has not been as robust as muscular has a lot of republicans have been against iran. and so this is going to be another issue where the republican establishment is going to take a look at him and see how different he will be from his father. he's going to be less solidly libertarian, i would say, libertarian light compared to ron paul. but then again, anybody would be. >> exactly. you stole my line. that's exactly what i was going to say. he's also going to be facing --
>> and ron will be here today, by the way. >> that's right. >> he will be there. you'd expect him to want to be there to support his son. >> he'll be here in louisville. >> it's just starting to get fun. gloria, ryan, great to see you. i think we're taking a look at live pictures. my television is too far away from me to tell who's on the stage right now. i apologize, viewers. you can probably tell who that is over me. we'll be right back. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™.
a pesticide so powerful that the u.s. government made it illegal to use indoors in the u.s. and its territories. but authorities believe a delaware family was exposed to methyl bromide when a pest control company fumigated a condo below theirs at a report. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is here. elizabeth, when you lay out these facts, it's scary to anyone who's been going on vacation. no way for this family to know. now they've all been in the hospital, the two sons still in a coma. talk to me about the effects this chemical has on the body and the potential for any long-term impacts. >> this chemical is highly, highly toxic. you just need to be exposed to it for two hours to have ill effects. it can start with vomitsing, go
into seizure and it can kill people. it's not supposed to be used indoors. there is no antidote. we don't know exactly what care these two teenage boys are getting. and we certainly -- they are in our thoughts and in our prayers. all they can do really is just give them what's called supportive care, which is just do everything they can to make sure that their heart and lungs are working as hard as they can. unfortunately even when people do recover, there can be long-term consequences because this chemical affects the central nervous system. >> so this should not have happened. but does this pesticide exist elsewhere that folks need to know about? >> it is used legitimately outdoors. sometimes it's injected into the soil where strawberries are grown. but it is under no circumstances supposed to be used indoors. so this was a major error of monumental proportion. >> we know now that the resort is no longer -- has canceled its contract with this company.
we know the government is looking into criminal charges against this company. and obviously our hearts and prayers are with this family as they continue to recover. elizabeth, thank you so much. thank you all for joining us. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. another freshman senator wants to be president. rand paul just about to say the magic words at any point now. and you're going to hear him live from that podium in louisville, kentucky. and it is a very big day for two trials, both in massachusetts. deliberations currently under way in the boston bombing case. can a verdict be far away? and after 131 prosecution witnesses and just three for the defense, closing arguments are under way in the aaron hernandez murder case. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal ."