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. welcome back. as we said,slager sits in a jai cell awaiting his hearing. a few protesters came to show up outside of city hall just as the video is being examined frame by frame. so too is slager's life and work history. miguel marquez has that.
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>> reporter: former police officer michael slager now wearing jail stripes. >> this is the case of the state versus mr. michael slager, the defendant is charged with a general sessions court offense of murder. >> reporter: the 33-year-old terminated by the north charleston police department accused of murder, read his rights, no bond set. the judge had a few specific questions. >> married? >> yes. >> children? >> two and one on the way. >> reporter: five years on the north charleston police force has two complaints on his record. one from september 2013 when mario gibbens, an african-american man complained that slager used a taser on him and excessive force after he refused to exit his home at slager's order. slager was exonerated. in january of this year, janelle
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van hannigan, an african-american female complained about slager's conduct after he refused to file a report when she called police because her kids were being harassed. slager said there was a history of problems between van hannigan and her neighbor. an investigator disagreed saying slager failed to provide the police report. the north charleston mayor asked anyone with concerns about slager to contact police. >> we look at questions anybody has, we're more than willing to look at that. >> reporter: beyond that, raises a few questions. passed taser training multiple times perfectly. he qualified in the use of his glock firearm, his overall performance record, 2010 through 2014, satisfactory. multiple times, slager received and passed yearly training in biassed based ethics, use of
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taser and firearms. slaigers who served in the coast guard from '03 to '09 with one. in graduation of 2010 and first days of on the job training, twice a supervisor notes in training report he spoke with slager in reference to certain procedures in reference to conducting motor vehicle stops and citizen contacts. a traffic stop and citizen contact, the exact scenario that ended with walter scott dead and this 33-year-old police officer facing a murder charge. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> hmm. well, as you heard from my interview, we showed you at the top of the broadcast, mr. scott's mother, judy, said she forgives officer slager, that she has forgiveness in her heart and that forgiveness comes from god. their faith is clearly strong. something i witnessed when i was honored to be invited in their home this afternoon. they were singing a song. listen.
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♪ in the lord, i'm going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ i'm going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ until i die ♪ i'm going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ i'm going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ i'm going to trust in the lord until i die ♪ >> standing strong in their faith in the face of grief. we'll be right back. meet the world's newest energy
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here in north charleston, south carolina. what a busy and emotionally searing day here. the police officer has been fired. video of officer slager firing shot after shot has come forward. you'll hear from him in the hour ahead. walter scott's mother, judy, been speaking out. i talked to her tonight. she is hurting badly, obviously. she is in the deepest grief. yet somehow has also found the grace to say she forgives the man who killed her son. imagine that. jason carroll brings us up to the minute with the stormy conference that took place earlier today.
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take a look. >> no yujustice, no peace. >> reporter: north charleston's mayor and police chief interrupted by vocal and angry protesters. demanding answers after seeing the video that shows officer michael slager repeatedly shooting walter scott in the back. slager is in jail tonight charged with murder. the man who shot the cell phone video coming forward wednesday. he's feiden santana. he saw a struggle between slager and scott. >> down on the floor before i started recording. i know they were down on the floor. i remember the police had control of scott and scott was trying to get away from the taser. you can hear the sound of the taser. >> reporter: the video starts as slager and scott appear to
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wrestle over an object, possibly the taser. the video shows an object falling to the ground as scott turns and runs. officer slager then pulls his gun and fires eight shots according to scott's family, four strike him in the back. at no point is slager heard yelling a warning or stop. he just shooting. the video then shows slager calling for back-up. >> shots fired. suspect is down. he got my taser. >> reporter: and then seen walking over to scott and once scott is on the ground, slager shots a command. slager puts scott in handcuffs and then returns to retrieve an item on the ground and appears to drop it next to scott's body. it shows slager's attempt to plant that next to the body, the family believes. their focus is to remember walter scott and justice. >> he was kind. he loved his children. he was a great father. he was a great father. he was a good friend. and he was a good brother.
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and he was also a great son. >> reporter: the mayor expressing his gratitude to santana for coming forward to help set the record straight. >> the video is very demonstrative of exactly what happened. without video, and that was the only witness there was, actually, was the gentleman that was making the video, it would be difficult to ascertain exactly what did occur. we want to thank the young person that came forward with the video. >> took a lot of courage, frankly, to shoot that video and to stay on scene and move closer and continue shoothing that video by that young man you're going to hear more from him tonight in the interview he did with lester holt. now, it's jason carroll. do we know how the video ended
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up in the hands of the family? >> it's an incredible story. scott's brother tell me last sunday they went back to the scene where it happened to pay a special tribute for scott. and at that point, this young man walks up to them. they didn't know who he was and said there's something i must show you. and i know that you heard scott's mother talk about faith and her faith. the family believes it was fate and their faith that actually brought them all together. >> it's incredible. and i just think it's one thing to suddenly witness a scene like that and to videotape it but to continue doing it after you've seen an officer gunning somebody down and shooting them in the back and possibly planting evidence and continue to videotape that. >> when we were there at the scene, he was pretty close. 20 yards away maybe. i mean, very, very close and to have the courage to keep rolling when all that was happening. it's incredible. >> jason, i appreciate the reporting. later today, walter scott's mother, judy, we had a remarkable conversation and i stress, she just is an
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incredible woman. she told me she considers that witness to have been heaven-sent. more from her and the pastor in the hour ahead, but first, conversation with walter scott's brother, anthony, who you saw briefly in jason carroll's report and also the attorney, chris stewart. >> you and your wife were the first people in the family to see this video. when you first saw it, what did you think? >> i was thinking that this can't be true. this can't be the way it really happened, but from knowing my brother's character, i know that he wouldn't have fought for a taser and tried to shoot, use a taser on the officer. i'm sure it had to have been a different story. >> you actually went down when you heard what had happened to your brother. >> yes. >> you went down to the scene. >> i did. >> and what were you told had happened? did the police say it? >> the only thing i was told was that he was shot once.
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that's all i was told by police. by the officer. >> and when you heard this report that there had been a struggle over the taser, the officer feared for his life, did you believe that? >> i didn't believe it from the start. i didn't believe it when the officer told me that there was a struggle for the taser. i believe that he may have gotten tased but i didn't believe he fought for the taser and tried to use a taser on the officer. i never did believe that. >> i'm curious, when you saw in the video the officer getting down and pick something up, after shooting your brother, you saw the officer walk back, bend down, pick something up, walk back to the body, place something on the ground, what did you immediately think? >> that's the taser guy. that's the taser guy. there was no struggle. as he allegedly said. right then. and it just proved what i already knew. what i already felt. >> what did you say to the
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person who brought you the video? >> i said thank you. >> did the person wait to show you the tape in order to see what the police were going to say first? >> yes, sir. >> the person wanted to see what the police were going to say about the shooting? >> what they were going to report. >> to see if it was the real deal. >> if it was going to be the real deal, if they were going to come clean. >> i keep thinking about, one of the many things, is just the courage of that person taking that video. i mean -- >> oh, yes. tremendous. >> i would have done the same thing but you see an officer shoot somebody in the back multiple times, not only take the video to capture it but then approach those officers and continue to tape -- >> continue taping. >> that's courage. >> that's courage. screaming out brutality. that's courage. >> do you believe the justice will be done here? there's tape.
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came out very quickly. they named the officer, they've arrested the officer, they charged the officer. >> it's a long road. as we all sit around in the den watching the press conference, i don't think they would have charged with murder and started crying and hugging. i got quiet because i knew that's just step one. that's just step one. that doesn't mean he's going to jail for life. it doesn't mean he's been found guilty. that's just step one. >> what do you want people to know about your brother? >> my brother was a loving father of four. everybody loved him in the community. everybody loved him in the community. if you would just look at all the people that's coming out to show love for him, from all different ages, the most favorite uncle, the most favorite brother, he's my best friend, he's my younger brother's best friend. i mean, it's, he's just incredible. he's incredible. and we're going to miss him.
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>> thank you very much. i'm so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> you'll hear more from their mom. she's just incredibly inspiring not only to have the strength to speak but the strength to forgive the man who killed her son so soon after the killing. when we come back, police body cameras. they'll be coming here soon. 250 of them we're told. already in use around the country. we'll look at what kind of an impact they're having and see what they see and what they show about how dangerous any police encounter, lawful or not, proper or not can be for all involved. details ahead.
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we are live now in north charleston, south carolina. as we mentioned, police body cams are coming new to this body presumably make the force more accountable when it comes to the next deadly force incident. there's technology to make officers make the right decision, the split second decision, a life or death decision especially when they only have sometimes less than a second to make the right choice. more on that now from kyung lah. >> you need to calm down. >> reporter: a man questioned suddenly turns slamming a police officer with a snow shovel. suspect a shot and killed by police. >> i'll just have you put your hands back on your head. >> reporter: this suspect, at first calm with police officers -- rushes for a knife in his car
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and tries to stab the officers. who shoot and kill him. >> i didn't see the knife. >> reporter: then there's this encounter. an officer responding to a domestic violence call in a seemingly routine chat for several minutes with this man tries to pat him down for a weapon. you can see the gun, five shots strike 24-year-old officer tyler stewart of the flagstaff, arizona, police department. killing him. officer stewart never had a chance to draw his weapon. moments later, the suspect used that weapon to kill himself. body cameras, part of a growing arsenal of technology in policing giving us an intimate view of a cop's life. from the challenges to the life and death choices. this officer devastated in front of a dash cam as he discovers the suspect he thought was armed was not. the suspect died after the
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officer shot him. a police shooting determined to be justified. as hard as this is to watch, technology is revolutionizing modern policing. >> in the past, those officers never had that ability to see that. now we're learning from the mistakes. we're really just finding out the officer has done the right thing. >> reporter: not just after the shooting. but before. >> had multiple shots fired. one subject down in the arcade at the entrance. >> reporter: this is the henderson, nevada, police officer coleman. never had to shoot a suspect but train to do it and know when not to. this is a 180 degree simulation created by virtra used by 200 law enforcement agencies. the gunman is in a movie theater. the gunman hits officer coleman twice and makes one terrible mistake. shooting an off-duty cop. >> as we have the time to look
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at it, you see he's got a badge in his hand. >> looks like you're sweating a little bit. >> it's an adrenaline dump, an adrenaline rush. makes makes me clammy. this gives me an edge to fail here to succeed on the streets. >> reporter: how realistic does this feel? >> very realistic. because now he's trying to work through multiple problems. >> reporter: retired scottsdale arizona police officer said the goal of the 360 degree system is to make this as real as possible. the trainee wears an electric impulse box. the gun an unloaded but real weapon. the screens behind the officer imitate what it's really like on the streets. >> i can escalate dialogue branches, deescalate. i'm listening to what he's saying and giving responses. >> drop the gun now! >> reporter: even for a veteran, this is humbling. >> if it hurts my heart and feelings, but i learn from it in
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the scenario. >> reporter: so tomorrow, thanks to today's technology, he is a better and safer officer. kyung lah, cnn, las vegas. >> i want to talk about training good police officers as well as this allegedly murderous north charleston police officer. former new york harry houck is with me and mark o'mara and sunny hostin, a defense attorney and she's a former federal prosecutor. harry, isn't this another reason why body cameras should be worn? some say it will help with accountability and for training, learning from mistakes and also maybe teach, show the public in some cases how difficult it is, the decisions police officers have to make. >> right, anderson. that's exactly what i was thinking. i'm 100% for police officers wearing these body cams. it will show that officers act correctly out there on the
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street and it will show if some officers don't act correctly on the street. another big thing you brought up, you're watching those videos showing that the danger police officers put themselves in every day. here, police officers confronted somebody and shot. this is what a police officer worries about every time he confronts somebody who does not want to listen to his demands. >> mark, if you were defending the officer involved in the killing of mr. scott or any officer accused of wrongdoing, is there any possible downside to having body camera footage other than it might contradict to what the officer said happen? >> no, there really isn't. the thing about body cams on cops, we know the departments that have them, less use of force incidents and less complaints about cops and also increases the number of defendants who plea. so what you're doing is taking out a certain of the system, the
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resources they have to. body cameras should be here. we shouldn't wait for another tran tragedy. we have the technology. i know it's expensive, but it's much cheaper than lives. >> sunny, i keep coming back to the fact if it wasn't for the video this young man took of walter scott, we wouldn't be here. there wouldn't be this press conference today. no one would have known what happened because the only account is by the police officers. this tape made all the difference and, you know, i talked to the family today and a lot of them saying, how many other instances out there would we know more about if there had been a tape? >> and i think that is the concern, right? there's no question about it, anderson. we wouldn't be discussing this base but for the video. we know that initially, when this happened on april 4th, the officer certainly said he shot in self-defense, he feared for
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his life, he retained an attorney who repeated that same narrative. the police chief and others believed that narrative and it wasn't until the videotape came out that he was charged and his own attorney that he had retained recused himself and withdrew. i think there's no question body cameras need to be on every single officer in our country. not just for, you know, potential victims but certainly for officers as well. there's no question, mark said when you look at the stats, it saves lives, it saves money for trials. and there's just no downside to that kind of situation. one of the things i do worry about though, there are officers that turn off their body cameras and there have been cases about that. and i wonder if there isn't some technology to prevent that from happening. >> the flip side, why should it
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take the existence of a video taken by somebody else, shouldn't there have been an independent investigation of an officer-involved shooting, someone who lost their life in that? >> yes, anderson, we've talked about that before. i think the special prosecutors maybe sled in this case. but let's not forget, there was an investigation ongoing that was sort of preempted by the video. i have a feeling that the officer who was on the ground when the officer dropped that, what we believe to be the taser, may have well said to him something like, i'm not covering you on this, which is why he picked it back up. so there may be more coming out in the investigation that he may not have been able to get away with this crime once he was truly investigated. let's not forget, there were four shots in mr. scott's back. that was going to be hard to describe and get away with without a video. >> yeah. we have to take a break. harry houck, mark o'mara, sunny hostin. thank you. just ahead, i'll talk to a local pastor and activist about how
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earlier today, i talked to walter scott's mother, judy, and i got to say, just amazed by her strength and by the strength of her faith in the midst of her grief. most of all, her generosity of spirit. they invited me into their home. i spent time there. she just lost her son and holds no hate for her killer. in fact, forgiveness in her heart. here's what some of what she told me. >> i'm supposed to be really angry and upset and raging and all of that, but i can't. because of the love of god in me. i can't be like that.
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bible won't let me. >> you don't feel that in your heart. >> yes. i feel forgiveness, even for the guy who shot and killed my son. >> imagine that. so soon after her son being killed, she feels forgiveness in her heart. she told me she trusts in god, in her words, to fix it. extraordinary woman. patrick dickson of the coalition people united former chair of the south carolina crime reduction coalition. pastor, i appreciate you being with us. thank you for being here. >> yes. >> what happens next in this community and how concerned for you about what happens next? >> extremely concerned. we have to look at what's happened, how we got to walter scott as being a systemic problem. this didn't just occur overnight. >> this isn't just one bad officer that would happen to be videotaped. you're saying this is a systemic problem. >> it definitely is and most in the inner city community, it's a
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problem. we have a thoroughly disconnected relationship with the law enforcement and the community. this problem does exist, the racial profiling, the officer-involved incidents like that. even me as a local leader and pastor, i experience the same troubles. i look over my shoulders like po pooki and ray ray on the block. when a blue light behind me, i go through the same motions. keep hands clear, make sure i make no sudden motions. before going to my glove box, i let them know that's what i'm going to do. >> there's such a different way of viewing things in white america and african-americans. i see this on twitter all day long. people saying, a lot of people saying, look, it's outrageous what happened to this video but this is a rare occurrence, something that just happened to be captured on videotaped. a lot of african-americans say
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this happened to be caught on tape but this happened plenty of times before. i mean, state newspaper say more than 200 officer shootings of weapons in the last five years, not a single one, a couple of indictments, a handful and not a single officer convicted of anything. >> you just put your finger on the pulse of the problem. too many people decided how other people are supposed to feel, those who set policy and procedures instead of inviting people in and respecting what they feel. say we made the policy and procedure, you shouldn't feel that way. you shouldn't feel this is a racist action or discriminated upon or the police are riding down on you. the reality from the other side, if it was respected by those policy makers, then they would understand, okay, these people, they have a problem. there is a problem existing. >> when i talk to the family, they say, look, we can't say race was involved in this. we don't know, don't have that information. when you see that, do you see that as well or say given the
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history, it's involved in most, how do you see it? >> i see it exactly as that. it is racial. it is racial. because these situations, we don't see these situations popping up as regularly. they do happen with other nationalities, the predominant victims in officer-involved shootings are african-american males. young or old. and so to think it's not racial, then why are the numbers like that? it goes to the same picture as incarceration. why are the numbers like that, how can we be third in population standings by thunumb one in prison incarcerations unless it's racial? >> the mother of walter scott, she has forgiveness in her heart. >> that's the reality. the other way to move forward. otherwise, she would stay stuck in a time warp of april 4th, 2015 and never be able to transition to a life, her and her family. >> pastor, i appreciate it.
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more from north charleston on the deadly police shooting but first, other big story. jurors in the boston marathon bombing trial found defendant guilty of all 30 counts and could face death penalty. that's the next phase in this trial. tonight, some of the survivors are speaking out about the verdict. >> i don't know what justice is.
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i'm grateful to have him off the street. i'm grateful to show everyone, the world, that it's not tolerated. it's not something that you'll ever be over. you know, you'll feel it forever. >> i don't believe that there will ever be justice brought to this no matter if he does get the death penalty or if he remains in prison for the rest of his life. i do believe, however, he should be held accountable for his actions and i'm very thankful for each of the jury members that are making him do that. and i may be standing on one fake leg, but i'm standing here stronger than ever because someone tried to destroy me and he failed. and they both failed. >> she is stronger than ever. alexandra field at the federal courthouse in boston with more on the verdict today.
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alexandra? >> reporter: good evening, anderson. all eyes were on the defendant as he strode into the courtroom listening to his fate. 30 counts read out. heard the word guilty 30 times. you have to say he looked disaffected, no signs of contrition, no signs of surprise. certainly this was the verdict that his attorneys had prepared him for. he had defense attorneys who stood up at the beginning of this trial and said, it was him. acknowledging his role in all of this. the bomber did at one point turn against something and give a glancing look at the jurors and then down for most of the rest of the proceedings, looking at his hand, glancing at his attorney. 11 of the 12 jurors did not seem to lock eyes on him. looked straight ahead and looked at the judge. one juror did seemingly try to connect, to look at him in some way but if he did see the defendant, the bomber in this case, he wouldn't have seen any outward show of emotion, anderson. >> and survivors' family members
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inside the courtroom. was there an audible reaction, a visible reaction from them? >> reporter: it's actually a pretty amazing experience to sit inside that courtroom because of the silence. you could really feel the gravity of the situation. for weeks, we heard this very wrenching testimony. there have been very outward shows of emotion from the people who took the stand to the people who sat and watched. you have family members today of the case, the parents of martin richard who bled to death, family members of sean collier, shot to death in his squad car. they were there to listen, been waiting for two years. really no audible reaction. just very serious faces. people listening intently to every word said. you cannot go so far to say they felt any measure of relief. you heard some of the survivors earlier saying, anderson, they don't feel a sense of closure or necessarily justice but certainly something they have been waiting for or something they have been wanting for. got it in the courtroom. it's a small bit of peace of the
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recovery each of them tried to set about. >> thank you very much for the reporting, alexandra. up next, what jurors whether they'll impose the death penalty in the phase. everyone wants to switch to t-mobile. but your carrier has you locked up paying off a phone. not anymore. now t-mobile will pay off your phone. stuck in a contract? we've got you covered there too. anyone can tease you with a lower price for a limited time. only t-mobile guarantees your price will never go up.
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i want to tell you more about the boston bombing trial. the penalty phase is next.
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the same 12 jurors decide whether the bomber will live or die for taking four lives and we think it's important that you remember the names of the four who lost their lives, not the name of the bomber or see his picture. we want you see their pictures. crist l campbell, martin richard, lingzi liu, sean collier. i don't want to say the bomber's name, he doesn't deserve it. these do. the jurors decide on their behalf and an inkling of how they might decide. once again, here's jason carroll. >> reporter: the life or death phase of dzhokhar tsarnaev rests solely with 12 jurors. what do they think about the death penalty? take the juror identified as 138, a white man who works for the water department said during questions, death can sometimes seem like an easy way out. it can go both ways, i guess. and then there's juror 395, an executive assistant for a law firm who says i always thought i was against it, but once you
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think about it, things change. meg pennrose is a constitutional profess for who tried death penalty cases and sometimes, it's so heinous, it can change a juror's view on the death penalty. >> some of these jurors seem to have a slightly different or more open view towards saying they might not be in favor of the death penalty under ordinary circumstances but open in this case to consider death as adequate penalty. >> reporter: it might be difficult for juror number 229, a homemaker. when asked about death penalty said he would ask me this question 20 years ago, i would have said definitely not. but then told the court having children has changed her views. juror number 83, an unemployed man in his 30s more firm saying, i think the death penalty is valid in terms of being a good punishment. of course though, these opinions were given by the jury before
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the prosecution and defense laid out their cases during the trial. before they heard all the evidence and listened to the emotional testimony from victims before seeing the graphic pictures while the devastation displayed in court. >> and when you see the evidence that is before them and they take the views that they have about the death penalty in front of them and about the views in front of them. >> and in end if the jurors decide on the death penalty, it is unanimous, and they will have the evidence and the conscious as their guide. jason carroll c, cnn, new york. and more now on what is it like to make a death penalty case or the take it to jurors. we are joined by larry mackey who handled the trials of oklahoma city trials of timmy mcveigh and terry nickels.
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and you said that judy clark has to convince one single juror to spare this guy's life and you believe that juror 229 may be this person. >> well, that is right. the prosecution has to convince all 12, and she is going to get a life sentence for the defendant if just one juror stands his or her ground. and she has gone to school on the information provide ed ind questionnaires as well as in the questioning session during the time that they have selected the jury vecting the factors in the background that might lead a juror to oppose the death pe penalty even in facts like this. >> and in terms of clark's strategy in the penalty phase, i know that you say could very well speak directly to the juror, and could that particular juror that she believes could be waivering that might be sympathetic to saving the bomber's life. >> indeed. i mean, she says that having known that having seen the
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verdict coming back after a day and a half after a month-long evidence that in their view this man is responsible in some way and some measure for the death of those four individuals, and now she has to engage in the entirely different dialogue and that is what is a just and appropriate penalty. and so the juror has taken the oath that they will consider the aggravating factors and the mitigating factors and balance them carefully and then they will make the individual judgment as to whether or not death is the appropriate punish ment in this case. >> the defense try and they failed to have the trial moved tot another venue alleging that the jury pool would be tainted in the boston area, but might it be to the advantage to defense that they lost that fight? >> well, indeed. of all of the states in the united states, and we remember the coverage when the incident happened, massachusetts does not have a death penalty. she is in a courtroom where there's a community, and this jury speaks for that community that opposes the death penalty.
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so she's got one leg up by being in a leg that has demonstrated historically its view against the death penalty, but as your earlier piece indicated, nothing like facing the facts of the facts of young dead children or the injury caused to so many. >> yeah. you have a jury to vote for the death penalty obviously for the oklahoma city bomber, and you say that you were pretty confident throughout the proc s process, and do you have any prediction for the penalty phase? >> well, the government did the right thing in the guilt phase, and they took headon the motive, why did this man join his father to bomb this event, and to cause the deaths and the injuries that he did? and so they will have less time e devoted to debating whether there's any justification, and of course, there is not, and one of the problems that the defense has in this case is that the particular defendant stood behind his lawyer in the guilt phase that she could stand up and say that it was a senseless
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act or that we make no excuse, and the jury wants to hear that from him, and before they give him any krcredit for being contrite or empathetic or sympathetic, they want to hear it from him. and so the most interesting moment for me is if and when this defendant gets on the stand and in the penalty phase. he could be the only phase that could save his life. >> wow. fascinating. larry, i appreciate your expertise and larry mackey, and thank you, we are getting dangerous of a tornado spotted northwest of wichita, kansas, and chad myers what are you seeing? >> well, the most dangerous part is that it is night time and you can't see them or know them, and you want to make sure that the nokno noaa radio on. there is the one for wichita right there, and it did nisz
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town of wichita and this is andale and way north of the city, but it is rotating and still may be on the ground and now that it is night time, you won't get the spotter network that you'd like, and there is the storm moving to the northeast, and another one popped up not far from on dover and back out here to the west, and another storm this one here it looks small here it had three separate tornadoes on the ground here today, and still a dangerous night, and we will be watching it for you, anderson. >> all right. chad, thank you very much. and up next, extraordinary moment when i was invited to the home of walter scott's family. r lollygaggin', lad. but we love lollygaggin'. we do. but it's a battlefield out there! you know the chickweed is surrounding yer sidewalk and the dandelions are stealing precious nutrients! now's the time to send in the scotts turf builder weed and feed, man! it kills weeds while it feeds and strengthens your grass. that sounds easy. get scotts turf builder weed and feed. it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it! and to clean your outdoor space without harming your grass,
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in my interview that we e showed you earlier, the victim judy says that she forgives the police officer that killed her so son, and that forgiveness comes from god, and her faith and her family's faith and something that i saw for myself when i was honor honored to be inside of their home this afternoon. take a listen. ♪ i am going to trust into the lord ♪ ♪ until i die ♪ i am going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ i am going to trust in the lord ♪ ♪ hallelujah ♪ i am going to trust in the lord until i die ♪
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>> let's hum it. ♪ >> amazing grace in that household this afternoon. >> that does it for rus from south carolina, and we will see you at. 11:00 p.m. eastern. cnn presents starts right now. this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon, and imagine this, and how the story would have sounded if the whole thing would not have been caught on camera. a traffic stop and confrontation, and police officer in fear for his life. and forced to draw his gun and fire. the suspect, dead. except it is not how it happened as we are have all seen with our very own eyes in this graphic video. and now tonight, we will hear from the man who captured this event on camera. he spoke to nbc news and here is


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