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in the streets spilling onto intersections across the country. despite a few tense moments in philadelphia when protesters try entering a highway, voices rage but protests are mostly peaceful. the police are sitting here and watching this. so it's about a balance. officers understanding the outrage in baltimore saying they'll only interfere if public safety really becomes an issue. once again the 10:00 curfew nears. >> we are getting ready to leave this area. >> once again congressman elijah cummings on the streets telling protesters to go home. ♪ i'm going to let it shine ♪ >> and once again people for the most part respond. they're going to ask people to go home. as the police line closes in on the few deciding to stay one manage agitating the line enveloped by police.
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disappearing behind the shields. handcuffed and taken away. >> how is it possible for me if i'm strapped down in a police wagon with my hands tied do i sever my own spine? >> two new points of contention that gray's deadly injuries were caused when he slammed into the back of the van, apparently breaking his neck according to cnn affiliate wjla which spoke to multiple law enforcement officials briefed on the medical examiner's findings. sources telling wjla the head injury matches a bolt in the back of the prison van. police also reveal the fatal trip after gray's arrest included yet another stop. apparently they did not know it happened until recently when it was discovered not from police but a privately owned camera on the streets of baltimore. raising new questions about gray's treatment after his arrest. >> people are jumping to conclusions. i think it's unfortunate that
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these little things are coming out. and i think that's inappropriate. i think people should take a deep breath and wait for the state's attorney. >> the commissioner not only on scene last night where we were but he was actually directing the police activity there. interesting and different than other nights. now, a bolt in the van could be what? the keyword is what caused freddie gray's injuries but how did it happen. and cops not mentioning an additional stop by the van. the cops who were involved. but the investigators did figure it out. so what does all this mean for the search for fairness and answers? we have cnn' evan perez with more on the investigation. he's actually joining us from the location of that previously undisclosed police stop. evan. >> reporter: good morning, chris. that's right. we're here at mosure street and fremont avenue in west baltimore. and this is the location of that private surveillance camera that police only recently discovered
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actually last friday. it's right up here. at a store that was looted subsequently to police finding out that there was this video. luckily they got it off the store owner's computer. he told cnn yesterday that he had no idea that this video was going to play an integral role in this investigation. now, as you mentioned the investigation took another turn as we discovered from wjla our affiliate in washington that the medical examiner has another theory as to what perhaps might have happened to freddie gray. and that is the fatal head injury might have occurred when he struck his head in the back of a van. now, what they discovered is that according to this report is that there's a metal bolt in the back of the van that matches injury in the back of his head. and so that is what leads investigators to believe that that might have caused the fatal blow chris, michaela.
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>> all right. evan thank you so much. chris, our thanks to you as well. we'll be back to you in a moment. want to talk about the demonstrations more of them taking place around the nation in solidarity with baltimore. tense moments and arrests as demonstrators took to the streets in philadelphia. more is on tap for today. let's get to cnn's rosa flores on what to expect for the weekend as well. >> good morning, michaela. protesters turning up the heat around the country. take a look. more protests in philadelphia and cincinnati. all in solidarity with baltimore. now, i want to take you to the streets of philadelphia. check this out. the demonstration there started off very peacefully but take a look at the tussle. it starts to create some tension and here's where the tension boils over. now, this is where demonstrators are trying to get onto i-95. police are saying no way, not going to happen. now, that escalates the situation. you see those police officers clustering and also demonstrators raising their hands and starting to chant. at the end of the day about two
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people were arrested in philadelphia. we move on it cincinnati. the situation more orderly there. you can see that demonstrators on the streets it all started off with a list of speakers. and it ended with marchers heading towards police headquarters. but it's not over not by a long shot. take a look at this. we've got more protests today. and because it's international workers day, all of the groups around the country that are demonstrating for immigration rights and for workers rights are now broadening their mission and adding black lives matter as well. and this is how the first amendment is working right here in the united states chris. >> all right. rosa thank you very much. so what does this all mean from the family's perspective? everybody wants answers, but the family deserves them. and part of their legal team also a lot of experience here in baltimore, mary thanks for
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being here this morning. unpack what we know. one headline they did it a day early, they gave it to the prosecutor's office. it's now her case. being early, giving it to the prosecutor but not revealing it to the public you okay with all of that? >> i'm not okay with all of that. i think there are some things they could have released to the public. i think there's information that ordinarily they would release so people would have some sense of the timeline and some sense of transparency while still not affecting the ability to do a fair and thorough investigation. >> one of the things they did reveal is there was a previously undisclosed stop by the van. now, i think that's a nice way of saying we found out that our guys didn't tell us something, but we wound up catching it anyway. >> right. >> there's two things there. one, how did the cops not tell them there was a stop? and two, does it give you a nod of confidence. >> it gives me a nod of confidence i think i read an article where the videotape the loop was gone and they couldn't
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get that. that concerns me that wasn't done right away because they knew how freddie gray's condition was the day he was arrested. putting that to the side yes. unusual not have a transition,ed wagon man is usually driving by himself. he doesn't have any officers with him. he's transporting the prisoners. if he would have stopped or what they consider to be the prisoners, the suspects if they would have stopped that van for some reason there should have been a radio transmission because he is by himself. and protocol would dictate that you would let somebody know you're stopping the van and why youfr stopping the van. >> you're putting it all on the driver. what about the other cops in involved? when asked about this we know five out of six gave statements on april 12th. they didn't mention this extra stop. does that mean anything? >> i can say for sure the driver's with the van. who else is accompanying the van as the van is taking root from the place in which freddie gray was arrested in the place in which he was in the western district the place the van was
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stopped i don't know that because that information hasn't been released. but i know the driver had to be there. ed driver i know was there anyone else i don't know. i find it highly unusual he would not have transmitted his location. >> if the leak is to be believed, there is a bolt in the back of the van which shapes up with the injury on the back of freddie gray's neck that could have given him the spinal injury. do you accept that? >> no. >> because? >> because i haven't seen the medical examiner's report. and the medical examiner is charged with determining the manner and the cause of death. manner being is it homicide is it suicide, is it accidental. cause being what caused it. for example, heart attack is the cause of death, manner of death that would be natural. that's what the medical examiner does. and they haven't finished doing that. >> the medical examiner in fact reportedly says we don't do preliminary findings. somewhat rejecting the assertion of the leak. >> correct. and we all know that the medical examiner had not completed their examination of the spine and the brain. and they needed to do that. and so i understand that it is protocol for police officer to be present when the initial
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autopsy is done. i don't know that it's protocol when you get down to doing the brain and the spine that you would have an officer there because the chain of custody issue is not -- is no longer an issue. >> even if it were all true and you have to throw some shade on that because the medical examiner doesn't seem to like this allegation about what it released doesn't say how it happened. >> absolutely not. >> it just says what it was. we don't know -- you put together the extra stop. why were people angry last night? extra stop it was a bolt in the van but they're not told how it happened to freddie, makes people angry. makes it seem like you're telling them everything except what they really want to know. >> one of those things problem with that that's the problem with builts of information coming out. because then people attempt to gap-fill. try to read the tea leaves from everything else that's going on. we don't know until we see that. i agree. just because there was -- even if you believe the allegation it was a bolt no one knows how freddie gray got into contact with that. and he died from what -- it's a serious violent injury takes a
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lot of force to create an injury to the spine like he suffered from. so it doesn't bear on the issue of how it occurred. even if that's the implement we can accept that. >> in the investigation, which is the yield of a black police commissioner a black state attorney here the prosecutor a black mayor and it comes this thick and it says here's what happened. freddie gray got jostled around sure. but he was able to walk in. he banged his head because he was angry and he was thrashing and they had to shackle him and the extra stop was because we had to go back there again because he was so violent. he bashed his neck, he caused his own injuries and crushed his own larynx and we didn't take the care we should have and that's how he died. that's a plausible explanation of which way they seem to be going. would you accept it? >> i wouldn't accept anything without having reviewed all the evidence on my own. >> do you think you could be convinced of that with proof? >> you know it's hard to say because i haven't seen anything.
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i've heardin wen in wennuendoinnuendo speculation. i haven't seen any evidence. it would be a lot to believe given the injuries freddie gray suffered ultimately it would take a lot for me to believe he would have done that to himself. >> have you ever heard in your years as an attorney and a prosecuting attorney of somebody giving themselves those types of injury sns. >> no. and i think it would be extremely difficult and would have to be under very specific circumstances. and none of those circumstances do i believe would have existed in that van. >> when you were a prosecutor did you give families of victims even if they were suspect victims, more information than the grays are getting right now? >> when i had the information and i had a chance to review the information. because you never want to have a conversation with a family and not know what's in your file. so you have to not only receive the information, you have to digest it decide what you accept and what you don't accept what needs to be investigated and what doesn't need to be investigated and then you have that conversation when you're speaking from a place of
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intelligence of knowledge and when you're sort of at the point where you're starting to form your own conclusions and can give people an idea of what's going to happen going forward. >> now, i brought up the race of the police commissioner of the attorney of the mayor because this is one of the aspects we're told is relevant. that people in these communities if they are predominantly african-american they would rather have african-americans as their leaders because they believe there's some type of understanding of one another. so you have that situation here. have these leaders reached out to the gray family? that's very often the case they will reach out to the family of the person who's dead here and kind of do it with them step by step almost as a proxy. has that happened with the gray family? >> the gray family has -- there has not been routine meetings with the government and the gray family. >> why? >> i think part of it is because they're not really answers anybody can give. the gray family is grieving. the gray family wants to know what answers are. they don't want to know what speculation is.
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i think we've said that all along. >> right, but to be fair that could be one of two things one they're reaching out to the gray family and the family saying don't come to us until you have answers. the other implication is they're not reaching out to the family. >> that's not true. the gray family did meet with the justice department both civil and criminal. the justice department met with the gray family to let them know you know introduce themselves and let them know that you know they're going to be full and thoroughly investigate this. so i don't think that that's true. and i think that everyone is trying to move forward. i think anybody is attempting to disregard the grays in the process. >> and it's important to note because it goes to the integrity of the process and how it's being done as well. we do know that the gray family is once again said this weekend you have the weekend coming you have good weather coming you have more fuel for the fire that just came out. don't be violent. you know if you want to voice your outrage, do it. but if you want to respect freddie, don't do it violently. mary thank you very much. this conversation will continue. thank you for helping us
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understand the family's perspective perspective. >> thank you, have a great day. >> you too. chris, we'll head back to baltimore but let's look at other headlines this morning. american commercial vessels in the strait of hormuz will now get escorts from u.s. navy warships due to concerns that iranian military ships could try to seize those ships days after they seized a ship flagged from the marshall islands. pentagon sources telling cnn avoiding a confrontation with iran is a high priority with nuclear talks at a very sensitive stage. the death toll in nepal earthquake is now soaring to over 6,200 lives. the number of people injured close to 14,000. crews are having a difficult time reaching villages in dire need of aid. we have horrifying images here captured by a drone sent in by a cnn crew. you can see the region hit hard by a mudslide. it's blocked all road travel to at least 26 villages that are
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still in severe need of assistance. back here at home a big get for chicago. sources say it's been selected as the future home of the barack obama presidential library and museum. the president's former chief of staff, chicago mayor rahm emanuel, led the lobbying effort. chicago beating out new york where columbia university had been considered for the future attraction. all right. you're probably counting down to the weekend. i know we are here at "new day." so let's see what the weather has in store for us. our meteorologist chad myers is taking a look at that. i see some blue. i'm okay with that. >> that's okay. because we are not counting down to the weekend. we are counting down to summer. >> of course. >> maybe not on the calendar but 80 degrees not out of the question for saturday and sunday. now, the clouds and rain for today may slow down d.c. may slow charlotte a little bit. the airports 15 30 minutes. other than that this all goes away. the low moves away high moves in sunshine comes out and a sunny weekend all the way from maine all the way back to denver. look at our temperatures for d.c. on monday all the way to 84.
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we literally go from what's kind of spring and we jump right into summer all at once. and you know what? it was such a long winter i don't think anybody's complaining about that. it is derby weekend. oaks day today sunshine everywhere. saturday same story. sunshine couple clouds in the afternoon. high of 74. the derby will be dry. back to you. >> that's what those -- come in handy for. thanks so much. head back to baltimore and chris. all right, mic, thank you very much. as we've been saying there are new developments in the investigation here in baltimore. and there could be a key to the case in play now as well. we'll tell you why. and, i don't know if you heard about this but you need to. sanjay gupta is in nepal showing what separates him from the rest of us. if you want to see how to save a life, then go nowhere.
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good to have you back with us here on "new day" on this friday. new information released by the baltimore police department about those moments after freddie gray was taken into custody. police commissioner anthony batts revealing the police van transporting gray made an undisclosed stop right there, a second stop. for unknown reasons. why is this coming to light 19 days after his arrest? here to discuss all the developments midwin charles, ladies happy friday. good to have you. so much for us to sort of walk through. we figured it would be nice to have some of these images to talk us through it. so i want to talk about the timeline. mo we know that freddie gray had his first encounter with police at 8:39. however, if you look ahead, he wasn't brought into the trauma center until 10:00 a.m. what really sticks out to you in this timeline when you see it all laid out like this?
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>> well obviously all of the gaps in the parts that we don't know what happened where there is no video, where we do not have any witnesses to say this is what we think happens. and then we now find out yesterday that there was another stop that they failed to discuss. >> uh-huh. >> really michaela? at the end of the day all of that time says to anybody, not just investigators, not just prosecutors, not defense attorneys, that there was something that happened that left a man who was otherwise healthy upon that first arrest in the 8:00 timeframe to 10:00 where he ends up with a severed spine. so it's very troubling that all of these days later, almost -- coming upon three weeks almost that we would now find out that there was another stop that has never been discussed before. it only continues to deteriorate people's confidence that the truth could come from the police officers. >> let's take a look at this. so at 8:46 we know that he was
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shackled. okay. >> right. >> so we see that happening. and then we fast forward somewhere to along in here 9:11. some 13 minutes or so. we know that -- not the second prisoner. i don't want to get to that. sorry. let me get rid of that. bring it here. it's then heading to central booking. so there's these gaps in here that we know. and we also know about this -- i can't make it go away. i'm so sorry. we know about these gaps in here and this second undisclosed stop previously how concerning is that to you as an attorney? >> it's concerning to me as an attorney because what it indicates is a police department that doesn't necessarily follow police procedure. so not only did they not disclose this stop, but remember freddie gray was not put in a seat belt when he was put into the back of that van. so here you have two sort of issues that are glaring to me. >> interesting we just heard the family attorney talk about the fact that she know what is she believes to be protocol is for the van driver to be solo in
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that vehicle. she also believes it to be protocol for that van driver to transmit a call to dispatch to say i'm making this stop stopping here, i have to get gas -- that call wasn't made for the second stop. >> right. it wasn't made for that stop. we also know that freddie gray requested medical assistance several times. >> that's not unusual. suspects will say, hey, i'm hurt i'm hurt when sometimes they're just crying wolf, right mo? >> absolutely. but i want to make the point there's the officer who refuses to speak to invoke the right of self-in crimination. it's in fact the driver. >> it's the driver of that van? >> yes, it's the driver of that van. and i think that that's crucial to you know trying to put together what -- you know listen. a lot of people are saying well he hit the back of his head he was thrashing himself, the bolt matches, you know the injury. well it seems that if it was that simple if that is truly what happened why didn't that just come out? why didn't they just say that?
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why is the driver afraid to speak? or, you know, not reserving all of his legal -- >> hold on, mo. midwin can they compel him to give his account of what happened? >> no. he does have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. >> let's look at the timeline. this is the part i want to get to. we know a second prisoner is added to the wagon. then we fast forward to this is the time the medic's called 9:26. 9:26 when this initial incident the takedown which some have said the takedown is potentially where he could have incured that injury. 8:39 to 9:26. >> almost an hour. >> almost an hour. >> almost an hour. and one of the things that is disconcerting is we see in the video a man in pain a man who could barely walk. so the police officers who sort of had initially restrained him were on notice that this is someone who is in pain. >> mo i want to ask you real
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quick this witness, do you buy his story? what do you think? >> absolutely not. i mean there's contradicting statements all over the place. but all of a sudden now there's the prisoner who had no visibility to freddie gray only what he was hearing. and we find out he's in prison. and right now, you know how do we know he didn't make a deal? >> that's a good point. >> so many days later he's now saying i heard him inflicting intentional injury upon himself. how do you know what his intent was if you could not see him? >> my point is i've practiced criminal defense for 16 years, i have yet to come across a criminal suspect use the words thrashing about. >> it's not in their terminology. >> let's look really quickly because we know there are a lot of things we know and a lot of things we don't know. we have to stay within facts. we know the state's attorney has received the police investigation. what we still don't know and this is what you take issue with. >> all the time. >> why was freddie stopped initially? >> all the time police officers need probable cause to stop an ordinary citizen.
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time and time again we see that being thrown out of the window with these cases. >> mo something else. near complete timeline of events. it's a much more complete look at what happened but we don't know. that's the point you were bringing up why did that second stop occur. and then the last point, the medical examiner mo we know is going to be delivering that report soon. but we still don't know. and this is the thing that you come back to, why did freddie die. final thought from you, mo. >> exactly. there's so much we don't know. and also there are inconsistent statements by the police commissioner who at first said there was no way freddie gray was injured while in custody of the officers. then came back and said well we know he was injured when he got into the van after the shackles were on his legs and he was screaming out for help. now it's like oh no he was injured with self-infliction once he was in the van. it's so inconsistent. >> that's the issue. there are so many questions and so much we don't know. we still have to work to find out the truth. hopefully more information will be coming. midwin mo, we appreciate it.
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all right. so here's where we are in the process. the police did their preliminary investigation, gave the findings to the maryland prosecutors and now they have to decide whether criminal charges are warranted or not in the death of freddie gray. baltimore police revealed something that is now fueling a lot of questions. the van carrying gray made a previously unknown stop while transporting him. what does that mean? that means that somebody didn't tell the police when they were supposed to but they found out anyway. now, one target of the frustration in terms of leadership is martin o'malley. he's mayor's former governor mayor of baltimore and could be a presidential candidate. cnn anchor jake tapper spoke with o'malley about everything
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that's going on here and his responsibility. >> when you ran for mayor as a city councilman and when you were mayor, you were tough on crime. you instituted some assertive police practices. and i don't need to tell you that you've been criticized for that especially in recent days and weeks for being too aggressive for alienating the population from the police force. do you shoulder any of the blame here? are you responsible at all? >> well we're all responsible. i was responsible when i decided to run for mayor in 1999. and i told people all across our city vote for me and together we will not only improve the policing of our streets, we'll improve the policing of our police we'll expand drug treatment and we'll save a lot of young lives by intervening earlier. and these are the things we did every day and went onto achieve a record reduction in violent crime. and there are probably now a thousand mostly young, poor african-american men who did not die violent deaths in our city who would have if we had
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continued at the trajectory and level of violent crime we had before. >> was that trade-off worth it? because there are people as you know african-americans who say that that policing whether it's the naacp, nlcu who sued you for arresting individuals, your administration for arresting individuals without probable cause. are we seeing the flip side? >> let's acknowledge, i don't think there is a trade-off. in fact we never use the term aggressive policing. we were very clear with police officers. we wanted them to be assertive when necessary, proactive and restoring, you know to the good people in every neighborhood their streets from open air drug dealing. but we also worked every single day on policing our police. >> when your police were assertive, there was one year 2005 when there was something like 100,000 arrests in the city of 600,000 people. that seems like a lot of
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arrests. >> yeah. and a lot of them were of the same people again and again and again. we also put mechanisms in place so that we could spare as many people as we could from having a blemish on their record if it indeed were just a one-time event. we also reduced violent crime. look every mayor i think tries to get the balance right. i never once in my years as mayor ever had a single leader of the community, black or white, ever say to me mr. mayor, i want less police presence in my neighborhood. in fact we had a waiting list of neighbors that said we want you to close down the open air drug markets in our neighborhoods and we wanted you to do it last month. >> so you just heard from o'malley himself. he says what he did made things a lot better. then why are so many out here saying things are as bad or worse than they've ever been? the question is did the type of policing that's going on in this community before during and after he left office is that something that's contributing to the frustrations here with this
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community? yes says professor d. watkins. he grew up here. and frequently writes about his run-ins with city police when he was young including a new op-ed published in "new york times" that you should read. we're also joined by baltimore sun reporter justin feinton who's covering this situation. thanks to both of you gentlemen. let's start with the news. okay that the van made an extra stop. it was undisclosed. what does that mean to you that it was undisclosed? >> it's potentially significant, but we don't know. you have to question why we didn't know about it. and yet we don't know why police threw that out there yesterday. it could be as simple as the van driver stopped to get a coke and didn't tell anybody. so it's a big question about what exactly that represents. >> one reason that they might want it out there is what does it show professor? it shows that the cops dealt with a little bit of deception, right? someone didn't tell them something but they ferreted it out anyway. what's the message we can police our own, we can investigate our own, do you buy it?
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>> right now the trust for the baltimore city police department is at an all-time low and i don't think this is helping. i think they need to be more transparent with the investigation. new facts making people uneasy. >> do you think anything the police can do in investigating themselves would pass your smell test? or do you believe it's just a flawed mechanism that you have to have independent review? >> from my experience i would say, no i think it's a flawed mechanism. i think we need an outside source to investigate them. >> and that's something that we've been hearing about, right? is there any reason to believe that that will happen here? >> there's no reason to believe that will happen here. and i think it's an interesting point. the police lately and recent years have really tried to increase their transparency. they've appointed these blue ribbon panels they've put out these reports. but the reports don't come back with the findings that the community expects. the community believes the police are overaggressive they believe unjust force was used. and the reports typically don't come back with that finding.
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>> but is that a function of perception of reality or a whitewash? >> it's tough to say. >> tough for you to say, but i'm sure you have an opinion about it right? it could be that the word is police aren't nice to us. but the reality is you're a high crime area you're not that nice when the police come up on you and that combination is going to create friction friction creates altercations altercation creates force and then you get your statistical outcomes. what's your analysis? >> you put it in a nutshell. a lot of times these politicians and police officers only deal with stats. but we're talking about people. we say, well you know 37% less people have been cracked in the head with clubs. but still a lot of people getting hit in the head. no one should be hit in the head. so a lot of things that go on in these black so-called high crime areas is not what's going on in different parts of the city. so you know people are frustrated. they just want more transparency. they just want justice like everyone else. >> potential leak out of the medical examiner's office. i say we take a step away from it because the medical examiner's pushing back hard
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saying we don't do preliminary findings. this leak from our office doesn't make any sense. anyway knowing that it might have been a bolt that sizes up with the injury, that only tells you what and not how. how is what's going to matter for the prosecution. so let's jump to what nobody wants to talk about, young people. you've heard this all the time professor, as have you. it's new to those of us covering this specific case. yeah freddie gray bothers me but it's because of why freddie gray existed as a dynamic that he was in the drug game because of his education and he was on that corner and he ran because cops aren't nice to you and he had to be on that corner because we can't get jobs. and people hear that and they go deal with your life just like i did. what do you make of that scenario? people are ignoring it but everyone on these streets are talking about it. >> i think it's very very easy for a person who don't understand that reality to be disconnected. that's the problem we have with humanity in general. i should be able to understand what life is like for you, and
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you should be able to understand what life is like as me and we can all be equal. no one wants to sell drugs, no one wants to be a criminal no one wants to be a bad guy. these are huge systemic issues needed to be addressed on multiple levels not just with the police department. >> you said the very easily but the acceptance is not that easy. you don't have to sell drugs, you don't have to run from the cops you don't have to push a cop when they say get up against the wall. what does that perspective miss? >> it misses the fact that if freddie gray was a white kid in roman park he would be alive right now. misses the fact that freddie gray was guilty before he even had his day in court. he suffered his fate. freddie gray was in a more affluent part of baltimore and maybe had a different background he would be alive. >> the leaks are going to continue. you have been doing a great job at the paper of ferreting what you should put weight on and when. we're going to look to you for guidance on that. professor, thank you for helping us share the experience as an academic but one who lived the reality. appreciate it from both of you.
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you hear us talk about cnn heroes all the time. well i think we have one in our midst. i want to tell you a story about a young victim in the earthquake was rescued in nepal, put onto a plane. her health began to deteriorate rapidly. minutes into the flight she
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stops breathing. no medical supplies are anywhere within reach. that's when cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta jumps into action to save her life. watch this. >> reporter: sometimes it takes a village to reach a village. and right now they are trying to save a village. just east of katmandu is the hardest hit district in nepal. more devastation and more deaths here than anywhere else. they need everything anything. >> so we're seeing how this works. first of all, indian helicopter getting a lot of assistance from other countries, noodles, instant noodles, one of the biggest relief items instant source of calories. and finally, these are the tarps. this is so badly needed because of the weather conditions where we're going. one of the challenges we are told this team has no idea what they will find when they arrive. we quickly see what that means. the propellers never even stop
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as we drop off aid supplies. and suddenly an 18-year-old mother is thrust into our door atop a makeshift stretcher made of straw. we only know her name. we see her husband and one and a half month old baby. as i examine her i quickly realize she has no movement and no sensation in her legs. sabina is paraplegic. then things get worse. minutes into our flight now sabina stops breathing. we can no longer detect a pulse. either on her wrist or in her neck. i checked her pupils and tried desperately to rouse her as we blast over the countryside. there are no iv fluids on this
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helicopter. no defibrillator not even a first aid kit. and this young woman is going into cardiac arrest. it is aggressive but i just delivered a cardiac thump. a quick strong hit to the chest in a last-ditch effort to shock her heart back into action. whether it worked or not, i can't say for sure. but she came back. and for a moment everything calms down. i slowly try and rehydrate her the old fashioned way. we touched down once more at a makeshift hospital high in the mountains. and we realize as dramatic as that was, it is a scene that is playing out every day, maybe every hour in the skies above nepal. you get an idea of just how challenging these conditions are. look at the very small space that this helicopter had to land on top of this hill. hardly any room to spare. they're taking off badly needed supplies as quickly as they can because there's a woman on that
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helicopter who nearly went into cardiac arrest. they got to get her back as quickly as possible. here come the patients one by one. i'm handed a precious little baby to fly back whose mother is too weak to hold her. sabina's iv bag now tied to the ceiling using a disposable face mask anything to just make it work. just a single moment to celebrate the lives on this chopper. we touched down again and this time there are stretchers medicines, fluids and prayers. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, nepal. >> we're told sabina's recovering in the hospital. our sanjay gupta doing what he knows best how to safe lives. way to go sanjay. how can faith be restored? can protests and violence like we witnessed in baltimore happen where you live? we'll take a look.
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the death of freddie gray is sadly only the latest case of a young black man dying under questionable circumstances in confrontations with police. two days ago on this program maryland congressman elijah cummings said quote, baltimore can happen anywhere. so the question becomes, what needs to happen to keep that from being the norm? joining us now is karen freeman wilson she's the mayor of gary
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indiana and also the chair of u.s. conference of mayors which recently released a report introducing better police practicing nationwide. great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> interesting conversations i'm sure that were had. tell us what you learned that could apply to what's going on right now in battle ploer? >> well, in chairing the conference of mayor's task force on police community policing or police community relations, we really looked at a number of things. we looked at communications when there is a crises but we also pulled back to look at recruitment, to look at discipline to look at those things involving officers during the normal course of time like training. >> it is a first step these meetings. >> yes. >> but how do we ensure -- you and i have all been to meetings in our own offices where we have all sorts of high-minded ideas, but when it gets down to getting the job done there's a disconnect. >> but we made recommendations that will lead to training. and not just training of police
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officers but also that would lead to solutions in communities. and as you hear people talk about the frustration that they feel disenfranchised, that they are concerned about education, jobs. >> it is. poverty, sure. >> those recommendations also addressed those issues. >> it's all part and parcel. interesting, during ferguson i remember we had a commentator on our air talking about how he felt that it was too little too late. to have people come into the community after something had happened instead of being there before. is that a conversation about the relationship that needs to happen between not just local officials and law enforcement, law enforcement and the public. >> so much of the conversation is about trust. trust emanates from relationships. so you have to have that pre-existing relationship. but if it doesn't exist, then you work on building it. >> sure. >> you don't say it's too little
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too late. you build it for the next time. because there will unfortunately be a next time. >> so to that next time aspect we know that this mayor of conferences you meet regularly. >> we do. >> in advance or post something like this are mayors in contact with one another about the potential? because we're seeing -- we saw the map rosa flores was showing us earlier. the protests and marches of solidarity are popping up across the nation. >> we are absolutely in contact even before protests occur. we are in contact to look at best practices, to talk about what are those things that need to happen in communities so that we can prevent these instances. but we also know that there but by the grace of god go we. >> do you have that kind of come to jesus conversation with one another? >> oh absolutely. we understand that baltimore could happen in gary could happen in los angeles, could happen in the smallest city
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because in many of our urban communities there is a level of frustration that has to be addressed. >> what do we do about the deaf ear? there are people who don't want to hear this and don't believe that it's their reality. and sometimes they think, oh this is just a black issue. that's just bitter people. why don't they pull themselves up by the boot straps. why does this matter that all of us need to be invested in? >> the mayor from minneapolis articulated it and she's a white woman and she said all of the citizens in the community need to live without an asterisk. white people need to live without an asterisk as do african-americans. so it's important that people embrace this as a community wide issue. >> do you agree with what congressman elijah cummings said that baltimore could happen to any of us? does it feel that imminent to you? does it feel that urgent to you? >> it feels certainly that urgent. and it feels that it could happen to any of us because
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people in all of our communities, citizens in all of our communities have a sense of hopelessness have a sense of disenfranchisement have a sense that they are not being heard. and when people feel that they aren't being heard, they do desperate things. >> and it's important to be heard. isn't that what we all want ultimately? >> we absolutely do. and our job is to really let them be heard. >> mayor freeman-wilson. pleasure to meet you. gary indiana is lucky to have you. thank you for sharing your time with us this morning. >> it is my pleasure. thank you. whole lot of news to get to once again especially on this friday. let's get to it. ♪ i'm going to let it shine ♪ leaked information exposing an additional stop after arrests. >> people are jumping to conclusions. i think it's unfortunate. >> i love this city. and i know we can be better than what we have seen.
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>> we're all responsible. america's failing america. >> protests across the nation. >> we want peace! >> the kids they want to know why their city is burning. >> what i can do is fight for them. baltimore can happen anywhere. welcome back. you're watching "new day." michaela is in new york. alisyn's off. and here in baltimore two critical developments that very well could be keys in the death of freddie gray. baltimore police turned over their investigative report to prosecutors a day early, but in it they admit the van carrying gray previously made an unknown stop while transporting him. unknown. they didn't know. they had to figure it out. they didn't learn it from their officers. why? what does it mean? also a leak supposedly from the medical examiner's office saying that in that van there was a bolt. and that bolt sizes up with the injury to freddie gray. what does that mean?
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we hear prosecutors could have autopsy proof as early as today. the outrage here now echoing nationwide. we have all the events overnight. and we'll start with what happened here in baltimore. >> ul night! >> all day we will fight for freddie gray! >> anger spikes after documents are leaked in the investigation to freddie gray's death. it feels a little different tonight. the passion on the streets of baltimore overnight spilling onto intersections across the country. despite a few tense moments in philadelphia when protesters try entering a highway, voices rage but protests are mostly peaceful. the police are sitting here and watching this. so it's about a balance. officers understanding the outrage in baltimore saying they'll only interfere if public safety really becomes an issue. once again the 10:00 curfew
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nears. >> we are getting ready to leave this area. >> once again congressman elijah cummings on the streets telling protesters to go home. ♪ i'm going to let it shine ♪ >> and once again people for the most part respond. they're going to ask people to go home. as the police line closes in on the few deciding to stay, one man agitating the line enveloped by police. disappearing behind the shields. handcuffed and taken away. >> how is it possible for me if i'm strapped down in a police wagon with my hands tied do i sever my own spine? >> two new points of contention that gray's deadly injuries were caused when he slammed into the back of the van apparently breaking his neck according to cnn affiliate wjla which spoke to multiple law enforcement officials briefed on the medical
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examiner's findings. sources telling wjla the head injury matches a bolt in the back of the prison van. police also reveal the fatal trip after gray's arrest included yet another stop apparently they did not know it happened until recently when it was discovered not from police but a privately owned camera on the streets of baltimore. raising new questions about gray's treatment after his arrest. >> people are jumping to conclusions. i think it's unfortunate that these little things are coming out. and i think that's inappropriate. i think people should take a deep breath and wait for the state's attorney. >> but waiting is the hard part. now that the police have delivered it to the prosecutor what happens next? how long will that take? and how good and trustworthy are the prosecutors involved? big questions. we've got cnn's renee marsh joining us now looking for answers. what do you have my friend?
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>> all of that information now handed over to the state attorney's office. so she will be looking at the police investigation, but not solely on that. we know that she says she will be looking for other evidence as well that could include new witnesses. of course she is yet to receive the medical examiner's report. so there will be critical information in that as well to compare what's in that report to what the officers -- >> could get the autopsy today. that will be huge. >> exactly. that could happen today. it could happen early next week but it will be a basis for them to look at and compare to what these officers said happened on this very day. and of course she, we're talking about this very young state prosecutor marilyn mosby. >> she's new. >> she is new. five months on the job. and she has the weight and nation watching her for what is going to be quite a difficult case. looking at all this evidence and trying to determine criminally can she charge these officers with the death of freddie gray.
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>> what's the reputation of her so far? >> you know elijah cummings the congressman here was out yesterday talking about the trust in the process. and when you talk to people here they elected her, they trust her. now they're wanting her to take her time and not rush and go through the facts and determine what is the right move. and a key point is she has not set a deadline for herself. and many people although they're anxious to know what the outcome will be they're happy that she will take her time to go through the law and make the correct determination they're hoping. >> haste makes waste, justice delayed is justice denied. tough balance right out of the box. rene thank you very much. back to new york. chris thank you so much. we want to look at the demonstrations being planned around the country for today following another round. thursday crowds took streets in cities like philadelphia where they were altercations between police and protesters. cnn's rosa flores is looking at
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this for us. >> good morning, michaela. these people in the other cities, philadelphia and cincinnati they're also protesting against police brutality in their communities and also for equality of opportunity. now, we start off in philadelphia. now, take a look. things start off very peacefully but you can see that a small tussle begins to ensue and tensions start to grow. now, tensions boil over right here. now, this is where demonstrators are trying to get onto i-95. police officers saying no way, not going to happen you're not getting on to the interstate. now demonstrators you can see there they start putting their hands up in the air and also chanting. at the end of the day two people are arrested in philadelphia. we move onto cincinnati where the situation very orderly there. it starts off with a list of speakers. and it ends with marchers heading towards police headquarters. but it's not over. more protests are scheduled for today. take a look at this map. new york baltimore, chicago, oakland and hear this today's
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international workers day. what does that mean? well all of the organizations for immigration and workers rights are also having demonstrations. and they are expanding, broadening their mission to include black lives matter. chris. >> all right, rosa thank you very much. let's bring in congressman elijah cummings. he is not new to being understood as a leader in this community, a native of baltimore, he represents this city. but he has been out on the streets every night trying to keep protests peaceful. and there has been a vacuum of leadership out on the streets. you've been there, senator pugh has been with you. certain council members have been with you. but you've been the man in the center. and people are saying it has made a difference. do you feel that? >> i hope so. and i think so. i meep when i look at that corner that we stand on i have not seen anybody get arrested. i'm sure there have been a few, but over the last three or four days i don't think -- the last three days i don't think more than five or six people have been arrested on that corner. >> so we have big boxes to check
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this morning. one, the curfew. do you believe it should be shortened in duration should it end sooner? >> i'm leaving that up to the mayor and the police commissioner. >> people like it. it feels like a control mechanism. >> it does. >> this is our home we're being good why are you punishing us? >> yeah but we have to deal with safety and security first. i leave that up to them. they have to make those judgments. we elected them to do that. >> now, you have told us and cautioned us don't ignore the big issues just because of the sensation of moments that you catch on video. >> right. >> big development, doj says it's going to put millions of dollars, maybe as much as 20 into body cameras for cops. how big an issue is that? >> that's super big. it's great. we need even more. but i'm glad to know that because i think people -- policemen and our police departments need those cameras, i think as a protection for the police and for the public really. when they know that somebody's looking at what they're doing, it makes a difference. and the public will feel better. it's not going to solve all the
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problems but it's going to make a difference. >> now, you had angry young men and women. each night you're out there, they're coming at you, you see the look in their eyes and they're saying i don't buy it unannounced stop now they're finding out laying groundwork for a cover-up they were telling me last night. oh it was a bolt in a van. they're getding ready to excuse themselves lieelijah what do you say in reply? >> what i say to them is that we the police have now turned over their report to the state's attorney. and marilyn mosby is a brilliant young prosecutor. i am so proud of her. and she will -- she lives in the neighborhood. she lives a few blocks from where i live. and she is a daughter of our community. and she will take the evidence look at it. but you got to remember she's got -- if she looks at it and doesn't like it she's got the full force of the federal government behind her. she can go to the fbi agents and say, look i need more information on this i need more information on this. what i'm begging the public to
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do is let her do her job. her integrity is impeccable. and we voted for her. i just believe she'll make the right decision. but i want her all the issues we're talking about, the second stop that they didn't know about, all the things she'll have a chance to actually put a high powered microscope on all that. and she may say call the fbi and say, look i need you to check this out or check that out. so i feel very comfortable with that. >> let me ask you something. what do you know about whether or not mosby's office has reached out the way you would hope let's say, with the gray family? because you know that there's some criticism there. >> yeah. i don't know how much -- >> do you think they should? >> i think that -- well that would surprise me. one thing i know about her during her campaign she talked about making sure that victims in her office would work together and there would be some kind of connection. i don't know. i think she should.
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but i don't know the extent of what she's done. but i'm pretty sure that she's done some reaching out. but you got to remember she's got a tough job. she really does. >> yeah. there's no way to exaggerate how difficult it is because what happens if at the end of the day she looks at the stack of paper like this and everybody's doing their investigations and she doesn't feel that she can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high standard as you know that this was done as homicide intentional bad acts to freddie gray. then what? >> let me say, as far as i'm concerned if marilyn mosby takes this case takes the law and applies it to the facts, do the research and the investigation as thorough as she can, whatever judgment she comes up with i will trust it. period. that's how much i believe in her. >> what do you think east's going to happen when you take it back to the corner? >> i'm going to have to -- and i will. >> i'm not saying you'll be wrong. i'm saying it will not be acceptable to people who feel -- >> may very well not be but
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i've got to know -- i know in my heart that if she, knowing her, whatever judgment she comes up with i will accept it. period. >> you have that much faith in her discretion? >> i have that much faith. i have that much faith. i've been practicing law for 40 years. and i know these young lawyers and i know the best. her integrity, she's a member of the my church as a matter of fact but her integrity is impeccable. and pursuit of excellence. keep in mind that's why the public has got to let her do her job. see, because if there are questions, the kind of questions that have been raised here this morning, we want her to be able to do that research to bring in all the resources that she can muster to get all of that and then make the judgment. >> i hear you. >> okay. >> how do you separate the specific case of freddie gray from the metaphor value it is for these young men and women, and older men and women, in
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these communities where they say this is a symptom of the disease, freddie gray. the disease is the police culture, the disease is i don't have any options so i wind occupy having to mix with the police. the disease that nobody wants to talk about but they say feed into -- that winds up creating a freddie gray situation. how do you separate the two? they're putting pressure on what happens with freddie gray as recognition of all these bigger issues that they suffer from. >> you know what? you can't separate them. you can't. because it's all intertwined. it's all intertwined. when you don't have a job, when you don't feel that your education is what it should have been so you could be the best you can be when you feel like a fella said to me yesterday, he said cummings i love you, man. this is a 16-year-old. he said but i feel like i'm in a coffin clawing trying to get out. when you feel that way, you
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know all of it mixes together. so you have people the police incident -- by the way i am very upset about all these leaks and everything because i think that only hurts trust of the public. and then you got the education issues you've got a number of economic issues jobs. by the way i got to give a shoutout to cvs. the first thing i did was call cvs and said look don't leave our community. >> what'd they say? >> they said cummings we're going to see what we can do. the next thing i know they kept 45 jobs kept paying the 45 people there. so, i mean so we've got all of these things jobs education, economic opportunity. and by the way the community's coming together. today i'm meeting with members of the education community, our foundations, some corporates. people are calling me every day saying we see the problem, now we need to make a difference. now we've got to get the congress to begin to move and to do more to help these kind of
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communities. >> you think you deal with gangs here on the streets nothing compared to d.c. and -- you've been in the game a long time. you've been saying over the last few day ths is the issue. this is the civil rights struggle for this generation. >> no doubt about it. >> they are looking to you in that community as a brother that they recognize as one of their own but as a leader of someone they need to represent them. do you have it in you to take on this fight as big as it is? >> i have it on me to take on this fight. let me tell you why. i'm in the twilight of my life. i'm in the evening. i want them to have a better morning. and i really mean that. so i had my chance. that little girl that said to us the other day, she said look i'm reading from a textbook from 1973. every member of congress should say we will not have that we're a better country than that. and so yeah i've got to fight. you know this may be my last hand but i'm going to give it everything i've got until i die.
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>> we've seen you out there late at night. don't go anywhere too soon. >> not too soon. not too soon. >> you're singing though last night. >> oh yeah. i can sing now. >> that's one opinion, congressman. that's one opinion. good to have you. good luck with the community. real fight you have in front of you. mik, back to you. great conversation there. we'll get back to baltimore. but right now i want to update you on some other things happening around the world. the number of people killed in the nepal earthquake is now over 6,200. nearly 14,000 people have been injured. rescue crews are having a really difficult time trying to reach those who survived. look at this view of the complete devastation captured by a drone. houses ripped apart as mudslides block road travel to at least 26 villages desperately in need of help. back here at home a former top ally of new jersey governor chris christie could be nearing a plea deal over the bridgegate scandal. bloomberg reporting that david wildstein could plead guilty as early as today.
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he was an executive with the agency that oversees the george washington bridge. earlier this week christie told reporters he's not the least bit interested. watchdog report claims the group worked with the bush white house to bolster the cia's enhanced interrogations as safe after the program came under scrutiny for abuse by the u.s. military at abu ghraib. the apa denies coordinating its actions with the government. back to the freddie gray investigation. it is now in the hands of maryland's top prosecutor. will new information help unlock the mystery surrounding his death? we'll take a look.
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new information emerging from the preliminary report into the death of freddie gray. our affiliate wjla reports that gray's head injury matches a bolt in the back of the police van that was transporting him. but as far as how gray sustained that injury well there's no shortage of questions. let's break down some of these with some of these prominent
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theories with harry houck, he's a retired nypd detective, cedric alexander joins us president of the national law enforcement and member of the president's task force for 21st century policing. gentlemen, good to have you with us. there are a couple theories we can look at. we know harry, i'll start with you. a relative of one of the officers told cnn that they believe that the injury that freddie gray sustained was in the takedown when he was being detained. but there's video that shows him kind of walking oddly. and i think we can actually see it. let's see where do i go back to it. having trouble with this wall today. throw it away. this is the initial arrest video. does anything there strike you as unusual or odd or troublesome or brings questions to mind? >> my theory is that the initial injury happened in the takedown also. i think that's where it happened. as you can see here we don't know if he's pretending he can't walk because it happens all the
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time. you know or is this result of an injury that he has to the neck which these are the typical symptoms for. >> but to that point where you were saying pretending. as an officer on the job you have to have a gut feeling. >> right. >> what is the protocol to decide whether you call for medical assistance or don't? >> there's no protocol. this is based on your experience now. remember police officers aren't doctors. i know from every arrest i've ever made a lot of them say they can't breathe, you know you're hurting me. >> but what if they really are? >> that's the issue. how do you make that determination? that's the problem. you're not a doctor. >> cedric what are your thoughts on that? >> my thought is this you know in the case and the footage you've just shown there he certainly was in excruciating pain. and not to monday morning quarterback those officers that were involved because i think the investigation at the end of all this is going to reveal what really happened. but in cases such like that it's probably just best to go ahead and call emergency service to come out.
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>> better be safe than sorry, right? >> absolutely. >> i agree. >> and we also know that you know officers are not looking to have to deal with a whole lot of paperwork or get themselves into trouble or have to answer questions. so often the gut would be to say let's just call better to be safe than sorry. let's move onto this other theory about this so-called rough rides. there's this idea that gray was given a rough ride. these are these unsanctioned rides where you drive a little faster and little sloppier so that the suspects or the arrestee rolls around in the back of the van. because we do know he was not seat belted or retrained that way. >> right. >> what do you make of that harry? >> this is my theory on this here. he was in the van for approximately four to five minutes all by himself. >> right. >> okay. so that is when the rough -- alleged rough ride would have to have occurred. >> it's possible. >> yes. but because the fact is they followed the van around by the cctv that's all around baltimore, they were able to see if there was a rough ride. now, we haven't seen video.
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>> we don't know. >> i can't say. >> but we also know that baltimore has had cases where people have won judgments, millions of dollars. >> right. so let's look at this one case here. >> fair enough. >> what happens is is they have to stop and they've got to shackle him. now, when i was a cop on the street the only reason why you shackle somebody is for two reasons, one they're in the back of the radio car trying to kick out the gate trying to kick out the windows or something like that. or they're trying to harm themselves. >> why wasn't he restrained initially? >> that's another issue. >> that would have prevented -- i mean it's not illegal -- >> no it's not. that's another issue. now we have him being restrained at the legs and put back in. and then they pick up another prisoner. >> right. >> okay. so apparently at this moment he's not unconscious. he's still conscious. you know not near death, i don't know. okay. now we got another 25-minute period. >> which is another big gap. >> where the other person is in the van with him. >> we can't rely on that person's testimony.
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>> well yeah of course we can. based on certain things that he had said. he said that he had heard him in the back making all kinds of noise, kicking, something like that. we don't know how long it went on though. >> i've got to get cedric in here as well. you don't necessarily buy this do you? you think medical attention should have been called earlier. you also have you heard of these rough rides? do you think that's a feasible argument here? >> well i mean yes. i mean it could be but it could not be. but i have to be very careful and certainly i agree with harry on each point he just made. but one thing i want to be cautious of until we have some evidence to suggest that that was a rough ride we really don't know. we don't know how extensive his injuries were when they placed him in the back of that van. and the fact of the matter is that they did not secure him in and of itself is problematic. >> so what about that bolt cedric. we've heard wjla reporting that there was a bolt that is consistent with the injury that gray sustained to his neck.
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you guys -- you both have been in the back of these vans. you know what they look like you know what the interior is like. if he was unrestrained how could that injury have potentially taken place? again, i understand that we're, you know we're speculating here. >> but, you know the thing here too, michaela you're absolutely right, we are speculating. if that report that was reported to that local station is true then certainly it creates a real concern. however, it is not an official m.e.'s report. and that's what i think we have to be patient to wait on. >> yes. >> get that m.e.'s report that will official m.e.'s report that will give us indication. >> good level of caution from both of you. i appreciate that. both of you are urging calm and patience because this has to follow due process. we have to wait for that information to come through and hopefully there will be answers there. harry, cedric we always appreciate your expertise. you can tweet us if you'd like and join the conversation using
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#newdaycnn. we also know communities across the country have experienced police shootings involving young black men. not every city has reacted like baltimore. what makes baltimore dimpt? we'll take a look.
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i understand the frustration. i understand the sense of urgency. and so has the organization. and that is why we have finished it a day ahead of time. also know that getting to the right answer is more important than the speed. making sure we look and overturn every rock is more important than just coming forth and giving a document. >> it's all about the right conclusion says baltimore's police commissioner. the frustration for the people is they don't know what those conclusions are. they do know that the commissioner says his people did the job the right way. and he asked them not to jump to conclusions. but of course that's what's going on. so let's bring on the host of the joe madison show on sirius xm mr. joe madison himself. joe, i want to talk to you about how the reaction of this community squares to what they've learned so far.
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and are they doing the right thing by keeping it quiet but letting a little information come out? what do you make of it? >> well let's go work our way backwards. i do not think it's the smart thing to let a little information come out. first of all, it dribbles out and people then ask the question chris, if you know a little bit you must know a little bit more. and why aren't you being more transparent? i heard and saw the interview you did with my good friend elijah cummings. and he's got a very difficult role to haul because whatever comes out he and all of the political leaders in that city and quite honestly the state are going to have to convince people to accept that report. and that's going to be the most difficult task because right now i think most people on the street where you are really have some trust questions going on the issue of trust.
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>> well look you're putting it lightly in terms of the trust issues. the question is are they legitimate concerns that they have. let me ask you straight up. >> oh absolutely. >> do you believe if this prosecutor finds that she can't make the case beyond a reasonable doubt that freddie gray is a homicide victim and the cops are responsible and they did the wrong thing, will people accept it? >> no they're in trouble. they're in trouble. it's going to be ferguson all over again. they're in absolute trouble if that is the case. that's as simple as i can put it. that's as direct as i can put it. i guarantee you that will not be accepted. that's why i said it's going to be a hard road to haul for the political leadership because what choice do they have. and that's why people -- >> justice supposed to be fairness urpd law, joe. >> i understand that chris. i think that's why you hear people calling for a special prosecutor.
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in north charleston they're having the same situation in north charleston. there's no guarantee even with that video we saw of walter scott there's still a possibility that officer may not be convicted. and that's why people are saying there needs to be a special prosecutor. because career prosecutors work hand in glove with policemen, the community knows that. and i think to avoid the special prosecutor issue is a big mistake on the part of states and this community across the country. what's wrong with a special prosecutor? >> your beef then should be with the governor right? because the governor controls the jurisdiction of going to his or her attorney general and saying you should take this case over you should appoint somebody for it. and the governor doesn't feel the need to do that here. >> and that's exactly what my beef is with. and it was with the same thing in missouri in the ferguson
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case. i've gone through this before with democratic and republican governors. we have a situation, artie elliot young man strapped in a police car wearing nothing but a pair of short and tennis shoes. that was it. ended up somebody said after he was searched he ended up being shot 20 times in the front seat of a police car. and we couldn't get a special prosecutor. and the two police officers involved got off. >> joe, let me ask you a question. political perspective, a lot of people on the ground here are saying you know it's about political change and the politicians aren't doing the right thing for us they're not taking care of us in these communities. we're not getting what we need. our desperation is fueling our negative outcomes and our criminal activity. isn't that all on the democrats here? i mean with all due respect to the great elijah cummings he's been in here a long time he's a democrat. got a black mayor, a black police commissioner a black
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prosecutor. you know you have tons of black councilmen and women here. they're all democrat. there's so much diversity. why aren't they being blamed for the negative outcomes in this area? >> well i think some people are blaming them. look the reality is when you start hearing a congressman say that someone's reading a textbook that was published in 1973 and then -- now get this you have a governor who now has moved the capital from annapolis to baltimore, he did a tour yesterday. i saw it on cnn. he did a tour yesterday of the community. what governor tours a neighborhood where you just had a riot and you don't take the democratic mayor with you? excuse me you don't even take the city councilman who represents the district with you? and that's why to be honest and i think you're probably hearing this chris, they're ticked off at republicans and democrats to
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be quite honest because their argument is absolutely right. but here's the problem is that underserved communities are the most difficult to get politically engaged. politicians, republican or democrat respond to voters. underserved communities, i had this problem when i worked as the political director for the naacp, trying to register and politically engage underserved poor communities the most difficult thing to do. you've got a policeman bill of rights. >> it makes sense. >> a policemen bill of rights why? that's because their families and the police officers and their unions and organizations know how to lobby and know how to get out and vote these folks in or out for what's in their best interests. >> right. joe, but that's the challenge of leadership when people don't feel government's doing anything for them they don't want to come out and support the process. this we can know this heading into it. this situation, this investigation, is a test for the
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system the justice system and the political system. joe, thank you very much for weighing in. please let's stay in touch because you're going to know what's going on here in the community and we're going to be leaning on you for persrspective. i'm at your beck and call. any time chris. >> thank you, sir. we're going to give you more on what's going on in the freddie gray investigation. but first we want to tell you that hillary clinton has an official challenger in the democratic primary. his name bernie sanders of vermont. and there may be another one. maybe former virginia senator jim webb. who's going to tell us what's going to happen? john king on inside politics next. [car engine]
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you are watching "new day." our coverage of the unrest in baltimore will continue in moments. but first want to bring you up-to-date on all that's happening inside the world of politics. mr. john king happy friday my friend. >> happy friday to you, michaela. little different this morning as we go inside politics. normally we quiz reporters but this morning we have the former virginia senator jim webb a democrat exploring a run for the democratic nomination. senator, good to see you. two night owls up in the
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morning. we were joking before we came on the set. let me ask you straight up you've been listening to the coverage this morning. you've obviously been following this in recent days. what would a president webb have said or done differently than president obama as baltimore burned? >> i don't think i could put words into president obama's mouth. i do know that the local leaders seem to be responding in a way that is affirmative in dealing toward the issues that are there. and also i'd have to say there are two issues that i've spoken about over a long time that are intertwining here quite obviously. one of them is the breakdown in economic fairness in this society. i actually mentioned baltimore in a speech the national press club in september when i was talking about the breakdown and how we tend to think in this country that we have solved the racial and ethnic differences. and we really haven't. we've created a veneer on the top of all racial and gender
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issues in the country. and the other one is criminal justice reform itself. i know secretary clinton yesterday gave a speech on criminal justice reform. i've been talking about this for nine years. we put together hearings on this when i was in the senate. and from point of apprehension all the way to point of re-entry into society we really need to examine our criminal justice system. >> one of the debates now is you have some people saying this is proof that you need more spending in the inner cities. you have to get more economic opportunity. better schools obviously and you have some conservatives saying look at all the public money that goes into these cities. it's how it's spent that you need maybe another layer of welfare reform to encourage people more to go to work as we saw in the mid-1990s. which is it? >> i think clearly we need infrastructure spending in our country across the country our infrastructure systems are falling apart. those are programs that can bring jobs jobs bring dignity. they also encourage more education. we see this not just in baltimore but across the
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country. and where the money's spent is important. i think if we look now we keep talking about our educational systems at the high end, but we're still we're in the reality that only 75% of the kids in this country finish high school we have to have programs to encourage them to stay in. and if they've left we had legislation when i was in the senate i call it second chance education act, to help these people when they get to be like 30 and realize that they made a big mistake when they were younger and get them into productive education and employment. >> one of the republicans running for president, ted cruz says that under president obama our first african-american president in his view racial relations have gotten even worse. he says the president has a way of style of politics that pits people against each other that divides us even further. do you think that's fair? >> well, i think we clearly have a political system now where political leadership and the base of both parties have been at odds in a way that i haven't seen in my adult lifetime having done four cycles through government. i don't think that's just
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president obama being radically different. it's the people in the process on both sides having drawn clear lines. we need leadership that can cut across these lines. and bring people together. one of the great experiences i had in my life i spent eight years as a boxer. and when you spend eight years in the ring with people you don't particularly look at you know what racial background they have. by the end of a fight generally you're a friend with the person you've been with. >> let's talk about your decision. you're going to decide in the next couple of weeks or months whether to actively you're exploring whether to officially jump into the democratic race for president. if you look at the polling right now, hillary clinton she's at 60%. when democrats are asked when who you want at -- you're an old navy guy. >> actually a marine. >> put this in -- within the navy marine. let me put this in military terms, she's got all the battleships, destroyers most submarines at her port. why not hillary clinton?
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why jim webb instead? >> i think when you look at polling numbers it's basically name id. and, you know we started last november just even talking about this. we've had incredibly good responses from people who are independents a lot of them. the old style truman-roosevelt type democrats who want to see the democratic party come back to the base of working people and people in the situation. >> is she not part of the base of working people? >> and also from republicans. a lot of republicans. and the message we see across the board that we are receiving is that people want to see fresh leadership and different ideas. and they want to see a track record. for instance criminal justice. i was by myself when i first started talking about criminal justice reform i was warned by democratic political advisers that i was committing political suicide. now it's out of the shadows into the debate where we can fix it. the tilt toward asia we did that starting out of my office. the g.i. bill we worked with republicans, got them together and in 16 months passed the most
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important veterans legislation since world war ii. can you lead? can you show that you've got a consistent record? and can you get things done? that's what people are looking for. >> you didn't want to answer my direct question about her, but you put out a fund raising e-mail question saying you want leadership you can trust. is that a shot at hillary clinton or just something about jim webb? >> i think that's what i bring to the table. >> does she not bring that though? >> in all the e-mails i receive i would say 90% of them say we don't always agree with you, but we know that what you're saying is what you really mean. and when i campaign for the senate i said this is what i'm going to do and we did it. and we're talking about issues like baltimore, criminal justice reform. we put ourselves on the line. we took the hits and we did it. we didn't wait until all of a sudden now it's easy to talk about the issue before we talked about it. and that's what i always done in any leadership position that i've had. >> senator, appreciate your time this morning. hope to see you on the debates in iowa. final decision pretty soon. >> who are you betting on in the fight? >> michaela back to you. who am i betting into the fight?
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with the number two overall pick and they did not end up surprising anybody with the pick or trading it away but roger goodell did surprise everybody when he announced it. >> the tennessee titans select marcus mariano. >> so otherwise known as marcus we are here in las vegas for the fight of the century, and they are finally going to get in the ring tomorrow night at the mgm garden arena. usually these things are free to the public but do to all of the demand they sold tickets by $10 to get in and i cannot tell you
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anger spikes after documents are leaked into the freddy gray problem. >> new claims in the death of freddy gray. >> somebody in the police department knew about this stop. >> we must allow the process to go forward. >> america is failing america. >> we will get justice for freddy gray. believe you me, we will get justice.
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welcome to your "new day." it's friday may 1st. and new information sparks outrage late into the night, and baltimore police delivering the report on freddy gray's death, admitting the van transporting freddy gray made a previously unreported second stop and later today gray's autopsy findings could be ready for prosecutors, about a leak comes out about what the medical examiner caused freddy gray's injuries. we were in the streets, and here is what happened. anger spikes after documents are leaked in the investigation into freddy gray's death. >> it feels different tonight. >> the passion on the streets of
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baltimore overnight spilling on to intersections across the country, and protesters try entering a highway, and voices rage but protests are mostly peaceful. >> the police are sitting here and watching this so it's about a balance. >> officers understanding the outrage in baltimore saying they will only interfere if public safely becomes an issue. once again, the 10:00 curfew nears. >> we are getting ready to leave this area. congressman elijah cummings on the streets telling protesters to go home. once again, people for the most part respond. as the police line closes in on the few deciding to stay one man, agitating the line insrel
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upped by the police and disappearing behind the shields, and handcuffed and taken away. >> how is it possible for me if i am strapped down in a police wagon do i sever my own spine? two points of contention,. sources telling wjla the head injury matches a bolt in the back of the prison van, and police reveal the fatal trip included another stop and apparently they did not know it happened until recently when it was discovered not from police but a privately owned camera on the streets of baltimore raising new questions about gray's treatment after his arrest. >> people are jumping to conclusion and it's unfortunate
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these things are coming out and i think that is inappropriate. i think people should take a deep breath and wait for the state's attorney. >> it may be inappropriate, but that's what is happening, especially after the undisclosed second stop of the transfer van, and then you get the leak about the medical examiner's findings. and let's figure out the balance. we are joined from the location of that newly disclosed police stop. how does it fit together evan? >> good morning, chris. we are here in west baltimore at the corner of phoerber street and fremont avenue and this is a privately owned surveillance camera at a grocery store that captured the stop that the police finally disclosed yesterday, and they didn't know about it until last friday and the owner of the store told cnn
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that the police came and took the surveillance video images off of his computer and the store was looted on monday a couple days afterwards and he didn't know at the time that this was going to pose a crucial part of this investigation, and as you mentioned, the investigation has taken another turn with this report from wjla which cites information from perhaps the police report taken from the medical examiner showing that freddy gray suffered a fatal injury perhaps from the back of the van. they said the injury in the head matches a bolt in the back of the van, and we don't know if it was self inflicted in the flashing around in the back of the van, or whether somebody intentionally did this to him. additional questions being raised by the report. we need the medical examiner will provide its report to the state attorney's office as soon
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as today. >> we will watch for that even. thank you so much. meanwhile, let's look for the demonstrations planned for today. we know some violence occurred in philadelphia. >> social media is blowing up with hash tags like philly is baltimore. i want to take you out to the streets of philadelphia. this was philadelphia last evening, and you can see that the demonstrations started off peacefully and then you see tensions start to grow, and look at this tensions boil over. this is when demonstrators are trying to go on to i-95 and police officers are saying no way, not going to happen not going to let you go on to the interstate and then you see that demonstrators start putting their hands up and chanting and
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police start to cuddle togethering there and make sure that protesters don't go on to the interstate. two people were arrested in philadelphia at the end of the day. we're going to to cincinnati and very ordinarily and demonstrators marched to police headquarters and this is not over and we are expecting more protests today. from new york to oakland, one of the reasons why the number of protesters is going to increase today is because it's also international workers day. what that means is there were already demonstrations scheduled around the country, and now that is expanding, and they are adding that black lives matter. >> it will be interesting to see how that plays out. there is always a lot of scrutiny around how the president responds to situations like baltimore, and somebody says he has been fairly quiet on these type of race-relation
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issues. and we are joined live from the white house for that. >> we heard president obama speak out bluntly, and his critics would charge his biggest statements on race have been reactionairy too. and valerie jarrett said the president has been engaged, and she said the president is briefed every day on what is happening in baltimore, and he, himself himself, is watching those pictures and she talked about his personal reaction since the shooting of walter scott in south carolina. >> devastating. i don't know that he has ever seen somebody just gunned down like that before who is running away. how can we insure that police are members of the society and they are part of the community
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and we want to make sure we strengthen that bond to highlight the best practices. >> as with past incidents, there are questions as to whether the president is going to go to baltimore, and the white house says he wants to go when things calm down because it would draw too many resources away from the community. >> that's a big question right michelle what do you do? do you wait to go or go and make an influence earlier? that's the balance they will have to figure out. thank you for the reporting. let's talk to somebody who has been on the ground every day, pastor of the church. you know it was angrier last night, and we heard it from young men and women and older men and women and they said they don't like what they are hearing coming out of the investigation, and even the little bits make it looks like it's getting ready to say nothing wrong happened here. what do you tell them?
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>> it's very disheartening, and it ought to be greater motivation for us to give redress of what is taking place. philadelphia is marching and chicago has joined in and new york is standing with us and it's not an isolation, it's a nationwide epidemic. that's why i figure it's so important, president obama needs to get here and he doesn't need air force one and it's a 40-minute drive, and the reality is the last two's electrictions, african-americans overwhelmingly went to the polls, and we are start of his elect electorate. >> is president obama in a no-win situation when it comes to race because as the first african-american president, african-americans seems to have expectations he can never meet and then he moves the other side with balancing race with
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politics can he win? >> it's a cop-out. he has been an incredible ambassador for what is taking place in israel and he lifted up their voice wherever there is a crisis, and now the base that has been his greatest level of support, and you have to wait until you are politically correct, it doesn't show leadership. if you are going to be a real leader this is the time to stand. elijah cummings could be home but every night he is out in the crowd, and katherine pew is out in the crowd. this is what we demand of our president. >> and the mayor said her chain of command and she cannot be at the protests. >> her parents are from
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baltimore and she was raised and she is a parent and everybody is celebrating mom of the year that got her son out of that line and everybody coming here from all over the country because they are saying freddy gray could be my child. as a sign of symbolism that i am with you and understand the pain and put the badge away and take off the mayoral hat and say i stand as a citizen. >> you are critical of elected leaders, and you should be happy because politics dictate, you have a black mayor, democrat and black president, democrat and the prosecutor black women, and yet you have problems. maybe the party is failing you, and maybe having a similar race as the leaders are not enough? >> we cannot say just because we are the same color i don't hold you accountable. president obama has been well
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with black men, and opening us tupbs to have two-year degrees, and that doesn't now mean because you are black i don't hold you accountable, and if it was president bush or clinton,ing i would be making the same claim. will you be president of black america in this hour? our mayor is doing the best she can. that does not mean i don't hold you accountable. the preacher of liberation theologian that we black balled in america, jeremiah wright he says who is not your color is not your kind but we have to make sure everything is full of substance. >> it was more hostile last night, and crowds are going to come out, and you are holding marches this weekend. what is your message and what are your concerns? >> we look for the long term. it's an incredible day.
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you have been out here and the less couple days have been frigid and overcast, and i am going to the community where freddy gray was kidnapped and killed and we are going to feed 1,000 people to let them know it's still not just an issue of incarceration, and what is not being discussed with an issue of economy, and 67% of the people in that zip code on public assistance. >> what do you tell them? you go to them and they are angry, and outsiders blame them for their own problems, and don't commit crimes and you don't have to worry about the police and the elected, 50 years of democrat rule for baltimore, they have not changed circumstances, and o'malley wants to run for president on the bases of his job here. >> a lot of people are judging
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baltimore and black americans on a sound bite and a clip. if you think the up rising was just about monday but you have to deal with the 30 years, of red lining of their zip code and having over prison population if in fact, chris, 866,000 black men in jail now, and 67% of the prison population something is out of order. >> can you keep the momentum for people wanting change and doing what it takes after the resolution of freddy gray even if freddy gray goes the way the community wants? >> yes. you are seeing it last night in philadelphia that the eyes of the world are now watching as a litmus test because it's altogether different from sanford or ferguson where you have a white mayor or white police commissioner, and if it's
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not color it's cleric tur. loretta lynch will have to do a clean sweep, and protesters were arrested on monday but were not released until wednesday night at 11:00, and you can only keep somebody 24 hours without giving them a charge, and they failed to do that and so as a consequence we brought in the national black attorney association, and we want to highlight what is the issue. the issue is not camden yards or cbs, but it's how it is that african-americans belief america is holding up to its justice for one and all. >> thank you. thank you for that conversation. changes are coming to the tulsa county sheriff's office
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after robert bates gunned down a man after a sting. reserve deputies can no longer patrol the streets alone, and this review follows allegations that bates did not complete required training before killing and shaotdooting last month. according to several reports, "the new york times" also reporting other indictments are on the way. governor christie long maintained he knew nothing of the closures and wildstein says there is evidence that proves otherwise. this is such a great story. if there was a test of forgiveness, the pope passed. an italian man hung up on the pope not once but price, thinking they were prank calls, and apparently pope francis
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calls strangers, and in this case it was to comfort the man who was ill, and when the pontiff called back a third time he took the call and promptly apologized to the pope. i think that is such a great story. back to our top story. a city on edge as questions grow about what happened to freddy gray, and what preparations are being made in case emotions boil over again this weekend. and then saving a woman's life, and you cannot miss this. undisciplined overwaterer. she claims he's a cruel underwaterer. with miracle-gro moisture control potting mix, plants only get water when they need it. fight ended. or shifted? miracle-gro. life starts here. (music)
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baltimore's top prosecutor now has the freddy gray case but will the office charge? new events with the coming weekend of warm weather could mean big clouds and loud voices and high tension. we have a man positioned to know and do more about the freddy case than most, and he is a councilman that is expected in the angers communities and he is the husband of marilyn mosbey household. you are a councilman at the center of the communities most angry, and your wife has the case?
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>> it's interesting. obviously the past couple weeks have been really stressful not only for my wife but for me in trying to deal with the issues of my constituents. to be honest, we don't see a lot of one another, and she is working really late nights and i have been out at all the protests and demonstrations and we don't get an opportunity to interact inside the household. >> elijah cummings says he respect the integrity of your wife so much that even if she finds there is a case that will not sustain the burden of proof, he will trust it high praise and you have to think about that and i am sure the prosecutor is and what happens if she reviews the evidence and says i can't make a case against these cops. >> well when you look at her election i think this is one of
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the reasons why folks in a very strong favorable election towards her came out and really voted for her, because they feel confident that in these types of situations she is going to make a right call from the integrity perspective. the people can rely and trust her. >> the people got a taste yesterday, and already the mouths were bitter and they came out last night. what do you say to them when they are laying the ground work for a cover-up councilman and they are saying they hurt himself on the bolt and there was an unscheduled stop. >> it's deeper than that. one, at the end of the day, folks have been distrustful of the system for decades, and you see a seemingly healthy 25-year-old individual takes the police on a chase and they charge him and folks don't know the basic information, why was he a suspect or a suspect, and
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he is laying in the shock trauma bed and then dies and folks already had a lot of skepticism about the case, and when you provide that it further exsapblger bates the trust. i think folks are going to be frustrated and angry, and that's why it's important for us to jump in front of the communications and let folks know the real process, and they thought -- >> yeah and they thought today was the day. even last night, people were like we will see what happens tomorrow? >> once you set expectations it's so hard to pull them back and the communities who look around at their community and see the plaque of their communities, and they are tired and frustrated, and i think the rally and protests are so much bigger than freddy gray, and this is a culmination of decades
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old frustration and anger. >> it's the hub of the civil rights fight of the new generation. do you see it that way? >> it's amazing, because to see the young folks who have felt voiceless and invisible in the past come to light and lead the march. seeing guys coming off the corner to being local activist to get people to pay attention to the issues and i think it could put us in a new trajectory. >> i have seen people give you respect when it's out there in their time of anger, and do you think you can give them the things they want that has not happened for generations here? >> well that's what leadership is right? it's about going after the tough and complex challenges. that's why i think people put me in office you know. i enjoy trying to tackle the tough issues like recidivism. if you don't have leadership and
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public service, and servants not going after those issues they shouldn't be in office. >> could you imagine, young in your career and your wife young in her career you two to be at the center of the defining moment moment? >> we are college sweethearts, right, and it was my dream to be a public servant in the city of baltimore and her dream to be chief prosecutor and it's a special moment for us but as a citizen, we have the right person at the right time at the right place to take on this tough case. >> heavy expectations to be sure and if you don't feel that way, you have problems in office and at home. we will be following this process for sure. the outrage as you know is real and the councilman and everybody here in baltimore know it but there are bigger concerns for many as you keep hearing it be said, and there are things people don't want to
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and beyond a quarter of the residents in baltimore live below the poverty line, and in freddy gray's neighborhood one in five people are unemployed. how can those issues be addressed and how can they play
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in the larger situation we are seeing? let's bring in our critic, and our new york times op ed and there has been so much going on this week and it's almost dizzying and both have been watching with a keen eye as parents and community leaders and supporters but in order to move forward we have to acknowledge where we are now. you have been tweeting like a crazy woman. when dealing with black youth seems like police are trained to go 0 or 100 negligent or kill. >> it feels like negligent or shoot and kill, and nothing in between.
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>> a wide brush we are painting with. >> we are not just activist and commentators and we are human beings and part of humanity so when you are having to absorb these instances and ideas, your humanity really kicks in and this is what it appears to be that indifference and brutality is -- those are the two things that you have to choose from. >> there is going to be people that say police don't see black youth or step on them and don't acknowledge their struggle. there are a lot of people that take off the badge and gun and go into the communities, and how do 83 get more of that and understand we are all humans? >> one thing is really important to understand and that's people see the police as what they are, an instrument of the structure
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of power and when they feel isolated from the structures of power, even in places like baltimore where you have people that run the city and look like the people who live in freddy gray's neighborhood and their daily lives is the monotony of poverty and the grinding and a mix of the praufer tea. >> in the op ed you talk about the black america and the black community has been betrayed by democratics and republicans, and it has been betrayed by america itself? >> that is the historical truth of it which is that people have played -- you know people go into these communities when they want something, and they promise a lot and deliver a little and a lot of times of what is delivered is detrimental to the
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communities. the rush to be toughest on the crime, and this competition between republicans and democrats in the '90s was horrible for the african-american community, and it locked up tremendous numbers of people particularly young black and brown men. so that rippled through the community. one thing, people often talk about, you know if you just have the fathers there and if people married more and now we are talking about all the missing african-american men, millions of them. and a study looked at this up close in ferguson, and half of the black men are missing. >> historical truth. that's really what is at the core of this and young people understand that this is about systemic racism and this is about systemic white supremacy,
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not to scare anyone. this is how things were set up so we are seeing the american project happen and part of that is to dismantle this idea that never was built to support them. the police department it's not like there is bad cops and good cops there's an entire bad system -- >> so where do we go? >> we have to not -- hillary clinton spoke at columbia, and i felt very encouraged by it and she said we have to gain balance back in the justice system and create balance for the first time, and it's not just about coming to terms, and it's about changing the terms. young people feel injustice. they respond with the tools that they have which are not many. when you set this up the neighborhood in which we are looking at the amount of men
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that are incarcerated are more than anywhere else in the state. >> it's shocking. this is the tip of the iceberg for conversations we are hoping to have going forward and obviously we need to have them more, and i know you both will be busy this weekend tweeting and thinking about it, and hopefully we will have you back soon. you can tweet us at #cnnnewday. next an incredible story you can't miss.
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here we go with the five things you need to know for your "new day." the autopsy for freddy gray may be come out today. more solidarity with malt more. protesters two people arrested in violent protests in philadelphia, and may day protests are planned nationwide today. the death toll in the nepal earthquake soaring to over 6,200
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victims, and 14,000 injured. rough weather and landslides make it difficult for crews to deliver aid to the area. and then escorts from navy warships and oprah winfrey, a long-time supporter of dr. oz pulling the plug on his radio show. for more on the five things to know go to for the latest. cnn's chief medical correspondent was there to save
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her life. >> reporter: sometimes it takes a village to reach a village, and right now they are trying to save a village. just east of katmandu, more devastation and more deaths than anywhere else and they need everything and anything. >> we are sending out some of the relief work. first of all, a helicopter tkpweting assistance from other countries, instant noodles, one of the biggest relief item and the tarps, so badly needed because of the weather conditions we are going. and the team has no idea what they will find when they arrive. we quickly see what that means. the propellers never stop as we drop off aid supplies. and suddenly an 18-year-old mother is thrusts into the door
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and she was on a stretcher made by straw. we only know her name, and we see her husband and 1-year-old boy be. she has no movement in her legs and she is paraplegic. then things get worse. minutes into our flight now, she stops breathing. we can no longer detect a pulse in her wrist or neck, and i checked her pupils and tried to rouse her as we travel over the countryside. there are no iv fluids on the helicopter and not even a first aid kit, and this young woman is going into cardiac arrest. it's aggressive but i just
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delivered a cardiac thump, a strong hit to the chest to shock her heart back into action. whether it worked or not, i can't say for sure but she came back and for a moment everything calms down. i slowly try to rehydrate her the old-fashioned way. we touch down once more to a makeshift hospital high in the mountains, and we realize as dramatic as that was, it was a scene playing out every day. look at the very small space in which this helicopter had to land on the hill and they are taking out these badly needed supplies as quickly as they can because there is a woman on the helicopter that nearly went into cardiac arrest and have to get her back as quickly as possible. >> here come the patients one by 100. i am handed a precious baby to
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fly back whose mother is too weak to hold her. an iv bag tied to the ceiling using a disposable face mask anything to make it work. just a moment to celebrate the lives on this chopper. we touch down again, and this time there are stretchers medicines, and fluids and prayers. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, nepal. >> those victims are going to need our help. we turn back to baltimore where they are preparing for another round of protesting on the weekend. we are going to speak to somebody on the ground that is trying to keep the situation from deteriorating. anthony bourdain checking out miami on "parts unknown," sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern.
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big headline from the investigations. authorities reveal a previously undisclosed stop by the police van where freddy gray is believed to have sustained his fatal injuries. this revelation is fueling anger in the community over what happened inside that van and why the cops didn't know about this stop until later. let's bring in jay morrison. he is the leader of the youth community coalition and travelled to baltimore to keep things calm and active. you are understanding and harnessing the feelings of the community, and the preliminary report given to the prosecutor
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and she has it, and whether or not she will charge we don't know. >> i am harnessing the feelings of the youth, and everybody is ignoring a blatant injury that happened. >> what is being ignored? >> the fact there was video evidence that a police officer had freddy gray's body, and his limbs bent up in a awkward possession and there was a loud belch or scream and the police officers released his leg, and witnesses said why did you twist his leg like that and all that to me i have a common sense,
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and to me that says injury and for somebody to say there was no bodily harm done or physical force used. that's bs. >> the push back and we have to do it -- >> nobody has said that much, chris. >> no he says injury. it's not just a word game. yes, you heard me if you put my chest, you may have hurt me but you didn't injure me. >> how can anybody prove injury at that point without a doctor on site? >> it's a process. >> but does hurt typically lead to injury? >> it can. >> so hurt and somebody is saying i need to see a doctor and need medical help and that says that person may be injured to a common sense person? >> that's true although what do the cops say? they say thatthma
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related, and we should have gotten him help sooner. it has to be vestedinvestigated. you have to see what they come up with. >> well how long does it take three or four weeks to see what we see? we have seen plenty of cases in the past and they look pretty hard and it's been the same result every single time and it all ties into the bigger picture which is an oppressive government system which has been extremely oppressive to its african-american people. >> you have a black attorney general, and black -- >> who they work for? >> they work for the american government. that's who they work for. >> it's the system.
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i am not saying white or black. it's not black communities, and we have white and hispanic and all supporters all over the world that see this. we are a diverse group. it's not about black community, but it's about world community that believes in not just civil rights it's human rights. the human rights in black america has been violated for centuries. this is not all freddy gray and it's not over mike brown. it's over oppression. >> they are seeing over sim paw mattic of bigger problems and i don't know it's what do you do about it? that's the concern. people see it and that's why you have the media and investigations and the question is do you believe anything will be done about it? >> we don't have confidence in the government so i don't know
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and the evidence of our american government has shown they could easily turn a blind eye, and the sefd of our people is after the new cycle ends and something else happens,ing and we get distracted and the real issues go away. >> here is the challenge for us going forward. we are where we can be right now. you have to keep the dialogue going on your side with what doesn't make sense, and it's our responsibility in the media to cover what we have to. that's the pledge. >> we have to understand people are getting fed up. >> understood. let's see what happens with the investigation. >> appreciate it. we're going to keep covering this obviously. there's a lot of news coming out of baltimore. and you will get it when "newsroom" comes right after the break. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru
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