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here we go. hour two. you're watching cnn. breaking news from the nfl. after months we're finally getting an answer on the infa infamous deflategate scandal. a league investigation made public a couple hours ago casts suspicion on the new england patriots finding that quote, it is more probable than not -- this is a phrase repeated a couple times -- more probable than not that two team employees deliberately deflated those game balls during that afc championship game with the indianapolis colts. that report indicates that quarterback tom brady likely knew about the violation. robert kraft issuing a swift and sharp rebuke. in part of it he writes this.
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when i address the media at the super bowl on january 26th over 14 weeks ago, i stated i unconditionally believed the new england patriots had done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of the nfl rules and that i was disappointed in the way the league handled the initial investigation. that sentiment has not changed. to say we are disappointed in its findings which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deflation of footballs at the afc championship game would be a gross understatement. up with me live cnn sports anchor rachel nichols and christine brennan. let's begin with the actual reporting here. rachel to you. what exactly did they find? >> look the preponderance of the evidence is a phrase hear for legal terms. not enough necessarily to get you put in jail convicted in a
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criminal court, where we say beyond a reasonable doubt, but to equate this it would be enough to get you convicted in civil court. that's where we are on this. they basically have a lot of circumstantial evidence. as robert kraft points out there is no smoking gun here. there's no video of someone deflating footballs. but there are quite a few different things along the way, including some incriminating text messages that talk about needles, that talk about deflating footballs, that reference tom brady and his knowledge of the situation. then the fact tom brady refused to turn over his phone and his text messages. there is a lot in this report. we'll obviously comb through the many hundreds of pages word by word. but in the executive summary, you can see that they had quite a bit of circumstantial evidence even if they don't have that smoking gun videotape that would make this a whole lot clearer. then the question is what do they do from here? >> right, let's get to that in a second. back to tom brady, the superstar of this new england patriots
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team. let's remind everyone what he said very publicly in that news conference after they played the colts and won before the super bowl. here he was. >> i didn't, you know have any -- i didn't alter the ball in any way. i have a process i go through before every game where i go in and pick the balls that i want to -- the footballs i want to use for the game. >> is tom brady a cheater? >> i don't believe so. i feel like i've always played within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. >> that was back in january. this is what the report says. he's mentioned a lot. it also says it is also our view that it is more probable than not that tom brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities involving the release of air from patriots game balls. christine, i think you referred to him as mr. clean. squeaky clean, tom brady.
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does this tarnish his image at all for pats fans or those people who love to hate the pats? >> i think it tarnishes his image a lot. this is something, we know -- it's the story that ate america before the super bowl. here it is again. while a lot of us at the time said we don't know whether to laugh about this and think it's another one of those little funny things in sport, quirky lemt elements of sports or if this is a serious issue of cheating. i think now we're getting our answer. my sense is that people are going to turn on tom brady. patriots fans of course they're going to defend him. they'll be with him forever. but the rest of the nation i think s going to look at tom brady in a different way because of what the clip you played because he stood there and was mr. america and said what he said and now wait a minute it's not true? i think that really could be a
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devastating thing for the pr image that is tom brady, that is fostered and really cultivated for years. i do think this is a big deal yes. >> let me go back following up on that, rachel to bob kraft's statement. this is what jumped out at me. what is not highlighted in the text of this report is that three of the colts' four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level. he goes on as compelling a case as the ted wells report may try to make i'm going to rely on the factual evidence of numerous scientists and engineers rather than inferences from circumstantial evidence. how do you read that? >> yeah look if you look through the report they talk about any deflation that happens with the colts' footballs was not nearly as significant as the deflation that happened with the patriots' footballs. weather, you would assume would affect all footballs the same way. there are hundreds of pages of this report that address the science. we'll go through those over the next day or so.
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report found nits executive summary that that wasn't the kind of factor robert kraft would like to make it out to be. and let's remember it was 51 degrees out that day. it wasn't 10 degrees, it wasn't 20 degrees. it was 51 degrees in january in new england, which i think qualities as balmy. so, you know throwing weather into this is of course the great confusion because we can't all say exactly what happened to those molecules. but again, this is a very thorough report. it took months. ted wells is a very very very thorough lawyer. and they combed through that scientific evidence. it's not as if they didn't address that. they did in this report. >> all right. i know possible consequences christine, you mentioned before maybe docking them a couple games for the next season which is a huge deal. christine brennan, thank you. rachel nichols, thank you. and now this new report provides perhaps the most damning detail yet.
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that co-pilot of the doomed germanwings flight committed mass murder. investigators now believe andreas lubitz repeatedly practiced putting the plane into a deadly descent on the flight right before the one that left all 150 people on board dead. the information comes from a preliminary report by the b.e.a. the french agency investigating the march 24th crash. it put forth this graph to explain how lubitz rehearsed. note the red at zero level there. so this is exactly how long and how often lubitz according to this report set the plane to drop toward 100 feet. the same auto pilot setting flight 9525 was at when it crashed into the french alps. fred what was the pilot doing when his co-pilot was entering 100 feet altitude? >> well that's really part of
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the interesting side of this interim report. the setting that happened in that outbound flight this is the leg from dusseldorf to barcelona a couple hours before the doomed flight happened was exactly the same setting you had on that doomed flight. the pilot, the captain, had left the cockpit. that's when lubitz started fooling around with the controls. you've noted there were several instances where he put the auto pilot down to 100 feet. there was another where he put it to 100 feet and then very quickly put it back to the maximum altitude. the interesting thing about all this is while he was doing this it didn't affect the trajectory of the plane at all. he was already beginning the normal descent of the plane. he was then fooling around with the controls putting it to difficult levels. the plane was regularly descending. this might have been one of the reasons why this captain didn't notice lubitz was doing this to the controls. a couple minutes later, according to this report the cockpit door was opened again.
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the captain came back in the cockpit, and the plane landed normally. however, the investigator went on camera today and said he's very very certain that this was lubitz practicing what he then did on flight back. >> fred thank you. let's spring board off of fred's points here. the preliminary report also laid out minute by minute what happened as flight 9525 dropped altitude. it noted how high that plane was when the cockpit door was heard closing. from that point to the catastrophic end, air controllers tried to reach the cockpit 11 times. after those attempts you see how low the plane was when the french military tried to make contact three times. then violent blows to the cockpit door are heard. the b.e.a.'s report indicates about 30 seconds later the plane was obliterated against the mountainside in france. with me now, cnn aviation analyst les aben. good to see you.
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let's begin with this notion that he was setting multiple times the altitude to 100 feet on that previous flight. would air traffic control on the ground have any indication that was happening? >> not necessarily. it depends. there's a certain transponder that in certain areas of the world would allow them to see it. i know when i fly into heathrow they know the setting i put in for the air speed. it may or may not. chances are it was moving so quickly it just seemed like a rapid movement. the bottom line is there's two settings or two steps to this whole process. he was just moving an altitude select. he had to go through the another process. there was another mode he had to use in this particular airplane that means moving the knob of that altitude select button and beginning the descent. what's curious is that the captain once again, or for the first time gets out of the cockpit. in a way, he knew that he was
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going to have to begin a descent. that's a lot of trust to the co-pilot. to me it says okay if we start a descent, he can handle it. >> which also speaks to the relationship which we talked so much about before, so there would be that trust for him to leave, knowing the plane was going to descend. >> which is very curious. so was this guy practicing or was this guy just trying to build up the courage and maybe was going to do it from dusseldorf to barcelona as opposed to barcelona back to dust dusseldorf? this just makes it darker for the poor families and the victims. >> then you think about the people on board that plane in which he was doing the practice runs. i think i'd be squeezing my kids a little tighter today, perhaps knowing that. with the captain of this plane coming back into the cockpit, knowing he was out for those four minutes, is there any indication on any of the -- forgive me -- gamgtdgets in the front, the controls that would indicate he had attempted or done these practice runs? >> no the captain wouldn't have
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known. by the time he got back he would have seen the altitude selector was in the spot that it should have been to descend for the clearance that they have been given. my understanding it was 21,000 feet. >> got it. les, thank you. next two officers charged in baltimore now saying freddie gray's knife was, in fact illegal and that could change this entire case. we'll speak live with a defense attorney and don lemon next. also, the isis fighter linked to the texas shooter is now speaking. we have all the details for you. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin.
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in the city of baltimore, the pushback has begun. attorneys for two of the officers charged in freddie gray's death are asking to inspect the knife that baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby said in fact was legal to carry under state law. the lawyers are challenging the charges that gray was improperly arrested. officer nero and officer garrett miller both of whom face charges of assault and false imprisonment their attorneys want to inspect that knife as part of their evidence. they claim gray's knife violated baltimore city code and thus that arrest was justified. joining me now, cnn tonight anchor don lemon and defense attorney randy zellen. on the knife issue, randy, first to you. i was talking to someone earlier who was a prosecutor in baltimore county. it's very specific. you have baltimore city code for knives and you have maryland state law for knives.
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maryland's -- the chief prosecutor marilyn mosby said it was, in fact legal in the state. cops are saying it was illegal in the city. could it be both? >> first of all, my understanding of the two codes, they are consistent. so let's throw out any notion of in the state, it would be okay but in the city it wouldn't be. that is utterly ridiculous. if it is spring loaded spring assisted it is an illegal knife. >> so either it is or it isn't. >> it ain't like being half pregnant. it is or it isn't. >> okay. sorry. just need to take a moment for that one. this is also significant because this is the first time we're hearing a foreshadowing of a defense. >> it is huge on a whole host of levels. legal and practical. obviously any charge that flows from an illegal arrest say good-bye to it. but it's a credibility issue. this prosecution team now, if in fact that knife was illegal, has
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lost such credibility, has prejudiced -- because some grand juror is out there watching this. some trial jury is out there watching this. you can't do this. you want to hold a press conference be right on your facts. >> of course the attorneys for the six officers are going to hammer that home when it ends up in court. >> hammer? it's not a hammer. it's like something out of "game of thrones." it's something huge. >> you were the first to talk to her after she announced those charges. we talked about that. i'm wondering, you know, when you look at someone like a marilyn mosby, who's been on the job just a couple months, she's almost damned if she does damned if she doesn't. it's a matter of if she had waited longer versus shorter, she'd be criticized either way. >> that's what happens. you have to put on your big boy pants. when you're carrying the football people hit you. they hit the person who's carrying the ball. so she's going to get hit. if you have the information, if you know that they are guilty and you have all the evidence why wait? the other side now is saying why not take some time to make
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sure that every "t" is crossed, every "i" is dotted. i understand that. the criticism, though that i had heard was about youth and inexperience. so that's where this is coming to now. >> but i've also heard criticism from a legal perspective. after she stood on the steps of the war memorial and announced she was charging criminally all six of those officers, she paused and spoke to youth of the city. is that legally okay for her to do as the city's chief prosecutor? >> it's a very dangerous thing for a prosecutor -- >> it's legally okay. >> it depends. ethically, it could be a problem. as a prosecutor you should get in front of a camera and simply talk about the charges and talk about the evidence. you might as well just read the charging instrument. then you can't get into trouble. when you start commenting on evidence when you start commenting on your case you walk a very fine line. even if you're right.
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because you're prejudicing the defendant, who's presumed innocent. >> in her defense, basically that's what he did, except when it came to the protesters. she said young people i hear you. you're saying no justice, no peace. so this is justice in motion. now i want you to be peaceful. she wasn't saying i'm going to send thee people to jail. she said justice is moving in the right direction or at least it's moving, so be peaceful. that's how i interpreted it. >> in 1935 chief justice sutter sutter -- sutherland said a prosecutor's job is not to get a conviction it's to do justice. when you start talking about evidence particularly when you know what it is you're talking about, you're doing not just defendant, you're doing society a grave injustice because it undermines our confidence in the criminal justice system. once we lose that you don't have a shot. >> i just thought she read from the charging document.
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>> at some level, somebody's talking about talking about an illegal arrest. if you don't know your own evidence and you don't know this knife, in fact is illegal, that's scary. >> that's a different thing. >> can we just say, bottom line and they're going to have to figure out the deal with the knife, but this doesn't answer the question still as far as what happened to him prior to the arrest and what happened to him once he was in the van. >> that's a wonderful point. the truth remains. thank you for not losing sight of that. you can talk about the arrest all you want good bad, or indifferent. the man is dead. we need to know how and why he died. if he died as a result of something that would constitute a crime, then the people who did that need to be brought to justice, whether that was a spring-loaded knife or an uzi. >> still, if they're wrong about the knife, that changes the whole thing. >> who's the they here? >> if the prosecutor is wrong about the knife -- >> and in fact it was illegal, thus the arrest --
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>> and it comes to investigating how he died that's a big deal. if -- everything is politically motivated, i think. >> don lemon, randy, thank you so much. make sure you watch this guy on "cnn tonight," 10:00 here on cnn. breaking news ie isis forces have just breached a major oil refinery in iraq. plus an isis fighter linked to the gunman in text. what he's say, straight ahead. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching
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isis forces have breached the perimeter of that baiji oil refinery. they made the advance within the last 48 hours. a pentagon spokesperson tells our colleague here isis is inside the perimeter, but is in the in full control of the facility. a pentagon spokesman says iraqi forces are trying to fight back. meantime new developments here in the terror attack over the weekend in texas. a couple of issues stand out as investigators are trying to trace the movement here of elton simpson in the days and weeks leading up to the shooting outside this prophet muhammad cartoon contest in a dallas suburb. first, the fbi is on the hunt for any possible accomplices here in the united states. they're questioning members of a phoenix mosque. both of these men lived together in a phoenix apartment. investigators are also looking for possible ties to terrorists overseas. with regards specifically to
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what happened in texas, a recruit rfor isis in britain tweeted, you ain't seen nothing yet. let me bring in cnn's chief international correspondent jim sciutto. of particular interest to the fbi, this british isis recruiter in his tweet, can we talk about that? what was that? >> well, it sounds like a warning. he's a potential real player here. he's now believed to be in syria. he's a hacker. he was prosecuted in britain on computer charges. he's also believed and this it more important, today to be a recruiter. he tweeted again just recently about you ain't seen nothing yet. appears to be a warning about more attacks. no idea no evidence to back that up. but the other thing, he was tweeting before the attack in texas. he tweeted, the knives have been sharpened, soon we will come to your streets with death and slaughter. and there was some contact
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between him and the gunman in texas. u.s. investigators are now looking into what kind of connections he had. was it just a twitter relationship tweets back and forth, retweets, et cetera or did he inspire them encourage them. that's a real fear because if you have a recruiter inside syria in isis able to connect with and encourage attackers here in the u.s. that's really something you and i have talked about, brooke. it's something u.s. officials have been concerned about for some time. how can isis project its power across the ocean, really, into the american homeland. >> online. elton simpson, beyond all of this twitter traffic, he also was under investigation. a lot of the questions have been what happened with the monitoring? how did someone not know that
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this was to happen? >> here's the thing. this is the challenge law enforcement has. he was on their radar convenience. he had a previous prosecution for attempting, it seemed, he was accused of attempting to go to somalia to fight jihad there. there was never proven in court. they had something on him. he had a bit of a track record. law enforcement officials telling cnn he was under monitoring but not full-time surveillance. keep in mind they will have dozens of folks somewhere in between the category of severe threat and possible threat. he's somewhere in there. they have to make a judgment as to who they devote resources to to put under surveillance all the time. here was a guy they didn't. lo and behold he carries out this attack. it reminds me of the situation in paris. remember the brothers. they were under surveillance and taken off surveillance. then they carry out that horrible attack. the french said we have thousands of guys like this. we can't keep them all under surveillance. but this is exactly the problem that u.s. law enforcement and u.s. intelligence has right now. who do you devote those precious
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resources to? sadly, here's a case where you didn't and this attack follows. >> right. jim sciutto, thank you. next, a lot of you watched it many of you put big, big money on it. but have you heard? manny pacquiao is being sued accused of not revealing he had a shoulder injury when he fought floyd mayweather. coming up next, we're joined by long-time boxing analyst who got a first-hand taste of mayweather's fire in a ringside interview. dear stranger, when i booked this trip, my friends said i was crazy. why would i stay in someone else's house? but this morning a city i've never been to felt like one i already knew. i just wanted to thank you for sharing your world with me. it felt like home. airbnb. belong anywhere.
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boxer manny pacquiao is being sued for our cool $5 million after losing that epic match over the weekend to floyd
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mayweather. two fans claim pacquiao unfairly kept his shoulder injury a secret. a class-action lawsuit alleges this the fans were ripped off and defrauded because they believed pacquiao was healthy. that includes everyone who bought tickets or purchased it on pay-per-view or made a legal bet on the match. a lawyer for pacquiao tells espn the lawsuit is hogwash. joining me now, former hbo boxings analyst larry merchant. a pleasure to have you on sir. >> thank you. >> this is a very big deal because pacquiao could potentially lose his boxing license. i know the investigation is under way, as far as whether or not he hid his injury. my question to you, larry, is it abnormal for fighters to hide injuries before a big match like this? >> it's not abnormal. sometimes they want to go ahead with a fight because they're
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competitive. sometimes because they need the money. in this case my semi-educated guess is that it was some combination of hubris and hope and the huge amount of money at stake. but there are many examples of fights of this magnitude being postponed because of injuries. the famous ali rematch. ali was injured in training. the fight was put off for a couple of months. the famous foreman/ali rumble in the jungle foreman was injured in training the fight was postponed for a month. the right thing was done. >> so in this case hubris and hope perhaps, and a lot of money. so depending on the outcome of this investigation, if pacquiao loses his license, there was a
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lot of money that was wrapped up in this match. as we mentioned, betting, earnings tv sales, et cetera. what happens then? >> they will try to repackage this boring con job as a rematch. >> no way. do you think so? >> i have no idea what will happen. sure. it's boxing. it's business. greed is not just good it's great. my guess is this will pass over that there will be doctors who will confirm that manny felt better during training. my question is how could a fighter who has an injury a month before the fight train properly for the fight? and that's why if it was the so-called fight of the century,
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it was the bore or con of the century. >> all right. so we'll wait and see what happens. in the meantime on the other side, floyd mayweather who you had a healthy conversation with a couple years ago. take a look. >> you never give me a fair shake. hbo needs to fire you. you don't know [ bleep ] about boxing. you ain't [ bleep ]. you're not [ bleep ]. >> i wish i was 50 years younger and i'd kick your ass. >> woo! that's the drop of mic moment in the show. have you had words with him since? would you take him on? >> well, you know to me floyd mayweather is like this super perfume salesman who's going to change your life and then you put it on and it's soap and water. he's a virtue owe sew technical
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fighter for whom this kind of boring dull fight is normal. >> well the perfume may not smell good but seems to be doing pretty well in the nickels nickels, pennies department. larry, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next an interview you don't want to mis. a woman who used to work at baltimore's worst jail. she gives a heart-wrenching glimpse into what the city is coping with right now. she calls it a no-win situation. our conversation live next.
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there are a number of people who live life going without lights or running water. if you walk down the wrong street, you could get shot. a lot of children finish school without knowing how to read. the school where the steps have dried blood on them.
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i'm talking about parts of baltimore, a city that erupted into demonstrations and riots following last month's death of 25-year-old freddie gray while many custody of police. now a city told through the eyes of summer robinson a former correctional officer at what she calls baltimore's worst jail. she documents the struggles in a piece in "the baltimore sun." she works at the department of welfare in social services. she joins me now. great to have you on. >> hi brooke. nice to talk to you. >> so we'll be crystal clear. what you're about to share doesn't represent the views of the state agency but in your personal experience as a former prison guard tell me about it. why do you call it the worst jail? >> you know baltimore city is like a place like no other. our jails are very overcrowded. that's not the fault of our state, of course. it's just a product of the environment that a lot of people here have to grow up in and be raised in.
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when you're dealing with that level of overcrowding or you're dealing with -- we have a lot of gang issues. things like that that's what's making the jails as bad as they are here. >> you mentioned a lot of details in your piece actually came from your husband, who grew up not too far from that cvs that was looted and burned down. can you tell me what it was like for him growing up? >> you know since we've been together we've been together a long time and i've heard stories from when him and his brothers grew up. they've really affected the way i've seen things because i did not grow up that way. to hear the stories that he's told it really gives you an insight into what these people go through. >> tell me one of the stories. >> they went two years without electricity. they didn't have running water. their parents were using generators to keep them warm. we had a situation recently here where a family died from carbon monoxide poisoning from using a generator because they didn't have lights. his mother told me a story where she woke up in the middle of the night and, you know, her body
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was numb and she had to hurry up and get the kids out of the house because the generator had been producing carbon monoxide. things like that are what families in baltimore are struggling with every day. >> and what they're struggling with that's not news. it's part of what we've been shining a light on since we've been in baltimore. i was walking around santown a couple mornings last week talking to the young people. to me that's the most important story. i talked to members of congress and there are big, sort of lofty ideas of change. you live it. give me a specific example of something that you think could change today. >> you know i think that we need to start focusing on the children here in baltimore. we need to start with them. if we want to improve things. we need to start funding programs for them. we need to start funding rec centers, after-school programs you know big brother big sister programs. we need to set up things where children can actually be involved in after-school sports and stay busy, stay out of trouble and feel like there's somebody that actually cares
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about them so they don't turn to these gangs and these lives of crime because they feel like they have nowhere else to turn. >> summer robinson thank you so much. let's turn now to a uplittle bit of breaking news. this large tornado reported in rural kansas. we're told it's in the northeast section of the town of lincoln. tornado warning right now in effect for that county. we will take you there. back in a moment.
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breaking now, a large tornado reported in rural kansas. this is northeast of lincoln. the tornado warning in effect for this entire county. jennifer gray is all over this. what are you seeing? >> we have a tornado warning for lincoln county. and that's until 3:15 central time. impacting the city of bernard. this is moving to the north-northeast. we have had multiple reports of a tornado on the ground. if you are in this area, make sure you seek shelter immediately. get into a small interior room. if you have a storm shelter, that's where you'll be the safest. try to put as many walls as you can between yourself and the outside. that's where you're going to be the safest. this is all part of a broader
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system that stretches everywhere from kansas all the way down into oklahoma, as far south as texas. we have a tornado watch in effect until 9:00 central time for portions of kansas and also portions of oklahoma and even texas. this is also a tornado watch until 9:00. you're looking at some live pictures now in oklahoma. you see ominous skies out there. stay updated. we have some pretty nasty weather headed your way throughout the rest of the evening into the overnight. this is a fluid situation. we'll stay on top of it for the rest of the evening. so we'll bring you the very latest. >> ominous, indeed. jennifer gray, thank you so much. we'll be in contact. we end with our series on revenge porn. it has destroyed so many lives. victims are devastated when ex-lovers or friends or maybe even total strangers post their naked photos online. i want to tell you this incredible story about a person helping lead the fight against revenge porn.
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she helps put the criminals in jail. >> reporter: 24 years old, she took a selfie. she didn't send it to anyone but herself but somehow it ended up all over the web. >> my daughter's topless picture ended up on the most notorious revenge porn website. she had taken photos in the mirror with her cell phone, sent them through her e-mail. she had no intention of ever showing that topless picture to anyone. >> reporter: until a hacker named charlie evans broke into her inbox. he sold her photo to a man known as king of revenge porn. it's posted online for anyone to see. he built a career targeting women and posting their nudes on his site. and when he needed more picture, he hired evans to hack into women's private accounts. but those days would end when they took on charlotte's daughter.
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when you got the call as a mom, how did you react? >> just to see my daughter in tears over this and i felt so helpless. >> reporter: you take this to a new level as a mother. you became this private investigator. >> i had a huge box of information. i had found victims all over the country who had been hacked by the same hacker. so i was able to give this information to the fbi. the first time i went under cover, i was helping victims who wanted to serve him papers. so in addition to running the site he would periodically host parties. so i'm locking the door and -- my car door and i have this crazy get-up on. this white pasty stuff on my face, sunglasses. and i turned around in the parking lot and the person who's standing there in my face is hunter moore. >> reporter: taking on hunter moore means taking on his cult-like following. >> i've gotten death threats. i had a stalker at my house on two separate evenings. it was very scary.
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>> reporter: for weeks, i tried over and over again to try to get in touch with charlie evans. the man who hacked charlotte's daughter. i tried him one last time. and he answered. when it comes down to it just why? >> he offered me money. i was in a bad place. >> reporter: what was it like the first time you hacked into a woman's facebook or twitter account? >> that's a loaded question. i'll seem like a sociopath if i say it gave me a rush. it doesn't feel real when i'm in my room lights off, doors locked, i don't feel the consequences. if i had to look at somebody in the face and do that, it would be a different story. i did it for money. again, that makes me sound like a monster. >> reporter: how much money? was the money that glad? >> it's scary how quickly i
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would drop my morals for so little. how much those women were worth. it was like $500 a week. $1,000 a week. you have to do all these mental gymnastics to be able to live with yourself. >> that is crazy. he agreed to talk to you, laurie segall. taking into innocent people's phones and putting their photos all over the internet. makes me cringe. >> he was remorseful. a lot of people have been trying to contact this guy and he hasn't had said one. and it's almost like he had this confessional where he wants to talk about it. he will be going away to prison in the next couple of months. but what i think he said was, behind a computer it just doesn't feel real. he said that -- i think we're losing a little bit of the sense of empathy. and that's driving this form of cyber harassment. people behind a computer clicking on this content, it
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doesn't feel real. >> but it is so real. and it is so disgusting. how are certain online communities even encouraging this behavior? >> we're at this really interesting time where -- let's say that you might have had it in you to do this god forbid. but now there are all these online communities where these pictures are bought and sold where the links to these websites are posted. hunter moore, the guy who actually had this notorious website, he had a following. and they used the hashtag, the family. and any women who tried to fight him, he went up against and his followers went up against them. hopefully companies will begin to crack down. twitter has started cracking down. >> what's tomorrow? >> tomorrow is a very, very interesting one. we're going to hear how a woman had to copyright here naked
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images and send them to the government to protect herself. >> we'll see you tomorrow and also laurie segall's special saturday night. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for joining me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. you ain't seen nothing yet. the ominous warning from an isis member to the united states after that failed terrorist attack in texas. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead the two gunmen who opened fire at that muhammad cartoon contest are not the only americans who have been drawn to the black flag of isis. today investigators are looking into their tweets as isis warns this shooting is just the beginning. the politics lead two dudes from a town called hope. mike huckabee in an interview will tell me why more money doesn't equal more problems for him in the heartland in 2015 as former president clinton defends his cash to cnn. and