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this -- i'm taking photos of myself. that's me take them down. did she get them taken down? >> so how it worked in order to actually be able to sue the websites say take down my photos she said i have the copyright. she had to send the naked photos to the government to get the copyright. she was able to get it. she was able to get the photos taken down. that being said it's a game of whack-a-mole. they keep popping up all over. she has a google alert set for her name. every time she gets that alert, she cringes. >> horrible. horrible this is happening and that the laws aren't catching up. they need to. do not miss lori's special. it airs saturday night, 7:30 p.m. eastern here on cnn. thank you. all right. off the top breaking news. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. this is what we have in the
wake of that deadly shooting over the weekend at that exhibit featuring cartoon depictions of the prophet muhammad at a dallas
suburb. here's what cnn has now just learned. the fbi did indeed warn texas authorities about one of the suspected gunmen here elton simpson, three hours before the attack. this coming to us from our justice correspondent, evan perez, having just spoken to the director of the fbi. a security guard was injured before officers at the scene killed simpson and his accomplice. let me bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom foounuentes. explain to me as a former assistant director of the fbi, when the fbi tips off garland police -- and to be precise, it was that aln to simpson had expressed interest in this evident. where does the ball go from there? i think the ball was always in the court of garland pd from the beginning of event planning. even
from that time, several months in advance, they knew this event would probably attract somebody who would want
to initiate an attack with firearms. i think that the police in garland working with all the other agencies in the area federal, state, and local, had established a great plan to secure the event and had these officers outside in the lot, you know watching the parking lot. so i think that they were pretty confident that even if somebody was able to get past the first perimeter security at the lot, they had a s.w.a.t. team at the rear entrance to this facility and that the s.w.a.t. team would be able to make a stop of what happened before they could get in and shoot. >> no sure. they had $30,000 worth of security. this is what the event put on sort of anticipating the need. back to elton simpson. you can have all the security you want but if they had this information, this is all based upon these social media ties that he'd been communicating with apparently members of isis, what were they doing about elton simpson? >> they didn't know for sure he was going there to do the
attack. my understanding is they saw this social media traffic and thought he's interested and talking about it. but they see a lot of that all the time from people who say they're going to do something and don't actually do it. they did the sensible thing. they notified garland. i'm sure garland said we have a great plan in place, which they did. so i think at that point, they probably thought, if these guys come we're ready. we'll take advantage of the security that we have in place, and we don't think we need much more than what we have. and stood by that. >> tom fuentes, thank you. >> you're welcome. now to boston where the defense for marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev is nearing the end of its push to spare his life. the 21-year-old faces the death penalty after a jury found him guilty in that attack from 2013. all this week long you have this lead defense attorney judy clark, and she's put family member after family member on the stand and acquaintances, looking to paint a softer
almost child-like image of this convicted terrorist. one of the very high-profile witnesses the defense wants to put on the stand is this woman's sister. her story was the basis for the oscar-winning film "dead man walking" starring sean penn and susan sarandon. it's about a nun who comforts and eventually empathizes with a death row inmate and his victim's families. >> nobody can take that from you. you are a son of god. >> nobody ever called me a son of god before. >> she's gone on to become an advocate against capital punishment. with me now, anti-death penalty
attorney and loyola university law professor bill quigley. professor, welcome. >> thank you. >> i know you are very very tight with her. you have followed her work. i just wanted to begin with tell me more about her. how did she grow to become such a staunch advocate for this? >> well she's always been a tremendous person. for the first couple of decades as a catholic sister she led a fairly traditional life of teaching religious studies, teaching grade school and that. but in the very early 1980s, she moved into one of the housing developments in the new orleans area started understanding more about the lives of poor people and struck up a pen pal relationship with a man on death row. that man encouraged her to write to him and ultimately she visited him. she was moved by his humanity and his plight and became a very
passionate opponent of the death penalty against people who have committed very serious crimes. >> in the case in boston sir, we're talking terrorism. this was an incident that shook the consciousness of the city and the nation to know this happened that several people were murdered and so many others lost limbs. it shook so many people. so how has terrorism, right, how has her opinion on that or her approach to be against capital punishment, has that evolved at all? >> well she started with one person. the genius really, of sister helen is that she showed tremendous empathy and understanding of the people who are accused and in most cases convicted of terrible crimes and tries to hold up their humanity.
shortly after she began this work she was approached by families of the victims of the people that she was counseling. they said well look sister helen, you're full of compassion you're full of understanding, but what about for us? what about the families of the murder victims as well? >> what did she say? >> she said my god, i'm so sorry. i apologize that i didn't reach out to you. because of that experience she grew close to those families. she's visited with hundreds of families of murder victims along with dozens of people on death row across this country, and she sees this really as a tragedy and a terrible thing for all people involved. there's a sense that the legal system should kill the person who killed somebody else and that is going to bring about closure, bring about justice, bring about some sort of outswelling of solidarity and understanding and closure for the victim's families but that doesn't happen.
i think if she does have the chance to be on the stand, i think she'll be very powerful because she does understand both the people who are facing the death penalty and is deeply connected with the families of murder victims around the world. >> but professor, how does she sit on the stand and try to explain to these jurors that dzhokhar tsarnaev is a compassionate man? how do you think she could help save his life? >> i'm not sure. i doubt that she's going to get up there and say that he is a compassionate man. what she is going to talk about, i think, is what does the death penalty say about us those of us on the outside? what does that teach our children if we say that the reason we kill is because they kill. and it's really more about our human dignity and their human dignity. the united states is one of the few countries in world that executes people anymore. state after state is outlawing that.
and it's not about you feel sorry for the person who is facing the death penalty. it is more what does it say about us what is the best way to bring this matter to a conclusion where he can spend the rest of his breathing life in prison. and we know that in boston at least one of the families of the victims who died they have said the same thing. they have said we've -- >> martin richards' parents, the youngest victim said we don't want to deal with the appeals process, pleas, let's not put him to death for this very reason. we don't want to continue to be rewounded. i know. bill quigley, we've got to go. but this is fascinating to hear what she could potentially say if this nun is called to defend this side of the case. bill quigley, university of loyola loyola thank you for joining me. i want to stay on this. even if dzhokhar tsarnaev isn't sent to death row, he could face a life of living hell at what is known as the toughest prison in the united states. i'm talking about this super max
facility in florence colorado. this is where some of the worst of the worst are sent. take a look at some of these inmates. olympic park bomber eric rudolph, unabomber ted kosinski. also the man who assisted in the oklahoma city bombing, terry nichols, and the shoe bomber richard reid. my next guest has serve time in federal prison. larry levene. when we talk about hell this is how i've heard the super max referred to. what kind of hell are we talking? >> well he may not necessarily end up at the adx in colorado. i talked to bruce cameron, a retired retired bureau of federal prisons official and he may end up in terra haute, indiana, or
possibly in marion illinois at the death house where they actually -- excuse me terra terra haute is the death unit. illinois is the custody management unit. wherever they send him, they're going to put him underground. they're going to have to pipe sunlight into this guy. >> whoa whoa, whoa. what do you mean underground? >> i'm serious. the adx, which is in florence colorado administrative maximum, it's an underground situation where the housing unit it's called "h" unit, is actually underground. you have no real contact with staff members, with other inmates. it's kind of like you're locked in an 84 square foot a 7 by 12 foot cell 24 hours a day. when it's time for you to shower, it's kind of like you're on "star trek."
you're in your cell the door slides open, and it's like a robotic shower is sitting outside the door. you're not leaving your cell. when you get your mail you're getting your mail over a television set. when you're reading -- when you're meeting your visitors you're meeting your visitor over a tv over a video link. it's a no-contact prison. he gets what one 15-minute phone call a month. his meals are brought to him the same way. it's like an automated process. other than possibly a doctor or his religious, i don't know -- he's muslim. whoever it is that's really the only people he's going to see. so he better get used to reading the qur'an. maybe that'll give him some salvation because they're not going to let him have much personal property in there. he's not going to have the same kind of social experience that a
regular inmate would have. >> well he's a convicted terrorist. i mean does he deserve that? i'm hanging on your every word. go ahead. >> if it was me brooke i'd be giving him the needle right now. i wouldn't be waiting for the jury. even if he gets -- let's say he gets a death sentence. there's automatic appeals built into death sentences. he may sit in a prison somewhere for months or years. somewhere. >> i read about this adx. quickly, this final quote. this is a former inmate at this place who talked to "60 minutes." quote, it breaks down the human spirit it breaks down the human psyche it breaks down your mind. larry, thank you. just a short time from now, british voters will decide the fate of david cameron. hear how actor russell brand and social media are playing huge roles. plus sofia vergara's ex speaking out about the battle of her embryos. hear his emotional words and
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. what's happening now in the u.k. has the power to dramatically shift the relationship between the united states and britain, its most important ally. you have millions of voters here casting their ballots today. it's expected to be one of the tightest elections in history in the race between these two man. the fate of the man on the left hangs in the balance, the current conservative prime minister, david cameron, now
neck and neck with the man on the left ed milliband, leader of the labor party. nick u.k. law prevents you from actually talking about politics of the election right now, i know but our segment just being broadcast in the u.s. you can speak freely here. so tell me why is that against the law, and how strektictly is it enforced? >> reporter: it's strictly enforced. there's a government regulatory body that watches out for this sort of thing. the reason these restrictions are put in place between 7:00 a.m. through 10:00 p.m. when the polls are open, you're not allowed to talk about the politicians or their policies or even, you know what could happen and how the government might be formed going forward after the elections. the reason for that is so it doesn't influence the voters. that is very strictly enforced here. even the way they sort of run up to the elections is covered, that has a strong set of guides and regulations.
if you go to a constituency and cover before polling day and cover one politician standing in that constituency you have to cover them all or give them all a chance to speak. but what's at play here look you have these sort of more smaller fringe parties pulling left and pulling right. the conservatives, david krom ran -- cameron, in power right now. the u.k. independence party, a very small right-wing party, wants britain out of the european union. the united states often looks at europe and says why can't europe act as one united body and often looks at britain as an ally to help make that happen. well the u.k. independence party is pulling to the right, wants britain out. david cameron forced to offer in these elections and say he would hold a referendum 2017. right now the country probably wouldn't go for it. but that's one way things could change. let's look on the other side of the equation here. the opposition party, if they want to get into power, likely going to have to do it with the
scottish nationalist party, who are expected to make massive gains in these party. they want to end britain's nuclear deterrent and britain having nuclear weapons. that would really sort of put us outside of nato or certainly diminish massively our nato commitments. the united states looks upon britain's membership in nato as an important thing. pretty significant stuff at stake here. >> nick robertson, we know you're watching it incredibly closely, as are we. thank you very much. coming up next, actress sofia vergara, we've talked about her quite a bit. she's been speaking out about the battle over her embryos. nick loeb is fighting back. he spoke in an emotional sper view. you'll hear from him. plus, what is the legal basis for keeping or destroying embryo
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right now, this fierce battle is captivating hollywood. you have actress sofia vergara and her former fiance nick lobe locked in this custody fight, but it's a custody fight over embryos. vergara, who's now engaged to someone else is speaking out. she wants the embryos destroyed. she's accusing loeb of using her fame in his push to save the embryos. >> i don't want to allow this person to take more advantage of my career and try to promote himself, get press. this shouldn't be out there, you know for people to give their opinion when there's nothing to talk about. >> that's one side. let's get the other with cnn anchor allison camerota. she's just interviewed loeb on "new day." she's with me as is sunny hostin our legal analyst.
first, amazing. this is so incredibly personal. what struck you the most? >> what struck me the most was an answer that he gave to the question of why can't he move on? so many people online have said you're a good-looking guy, go get your own girlfriend. go fall in love. go start your own family. his answer to why he can't do that was really surprising. >> let's look. >> i know that this is such an emotional topic. have you felt alone? >> yeah, you know it's been tough. i've always wanted children. i've always wanted to be a father. i didn't create lives, you know, lightly. this was very very important to me. to the point where when we thought -- when we created these lives and we were going to put them into a surrogate, we were coming up with names for our children. so to do anything besides
continue their journey towards life through birth, to me is tantamount to destruction. >> there are a lot of people out there who say you are a good-looking guy, you're a catch, move on go find love in your life. >> of course. and i would like to. obviously it's not -- you know easier said than done. you don't go out the next day and just meet somebody. hopefully one day i'll meet somebody, we'll fall in love and have a child. that doesn't mean i should just give up the two lives i've created. >> if you fell in love with somebody right now and started a relationship would all this be over? would you let nose embryos go? >> no unfortunately, again, they're lives created. someone would have to accept me and two other children, no different than if i had two other children that were born. >> it's interesting. instead of embryos, he says those lives. >> that's how he sees it. he believes life begins at conception. he's not alone. half the country believes that life begins at conception.
so he doesn't see them as embryos. this isn't scientific to him. this is heartfelt. >> we've talked about this on the show. i talked to somebody down in atlanta, a reproductive specialist who was saying, which you're a couple and you know it may not end in love and marriage you're signing is lots and lots of documents if there's a breakup. shouldn't this all be on paper? >> well they did sign plenty of paperwork. i have the lawsuit here he filed. when i review it they only decided the issue as to what would happen to these embryos in the event of their death. they didn't necessarily consider the breakup or a divorce. that's been really the issue. we have a lot of child custody law, but we don't have embryo custody law because what generally happens is the wheels of justice sort of take a really long time to turn.
we just haven't caught up the lawyers haven't caught up. >> that's why he believes that this consent form is null and void, because it did not include the provision of what happens when you break up. >> whose fault is that? >> i think it's an interesting question. the bottom line is when you're doing this kind of procedure and you're hopeful and so excited, i think people are hesitant to get the attorneys involved. but that's the time to do it with all the ramifications involved. no state has passed an actual law to deal with this issue. >> hypothetically if he were to win and those embryos and lives become little kids would she be paying -- >> i'm glad you asked. he wants everyone -- >> that's the question. >> what he wants everyone to know is he has absolved her of
all financial responsibility. he's willing to sign whatever it takes to say that he will never hold her responsible financial for the children. >> you know i think the bottom line is when you look at the case law, the limited case law there is courts really never force someone to be a parent against their will. the right of someone to be a parent versus the right of someone not to be a parent generally the parent that doesn't want to be a parent -- >> although he says that every day it happens where a woman carries a pregnancy to term against a man's wishes. it happens all the time in the u.s. and that's allowed to happen. >> but that's a child custody as opposed to embryo custody. this case is really going to raise all these ethical and legal questions. >> very glad you talked to him. thank you so much. watch allison "new day". >> 6:00 a.m. and 9:00 a.m. every morning here on cnn. next an interview you cannot miss. president obama spoke last week about his program, my brother's
keeper. he mentioned he shared key aspects in his past in his youth with a young man he met by the name of malaki. >> we should talk about love. because malaki and i shared the fact that our dad wasn't around. >> who is this malaki? guess what? you are about to meet him. we'll talk about that conversation he got to have with the president of the united states and where he comes from and who he wants to be. stay here.
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the same. you have young african-american men growing up with little opportunity, caught up in deadly altercations with police that, you know oftentimes left them with no future. one man has dealt with similar circumstances in boston. just found someone who can relate to him who happens to be the president of the united states. this guy's name is malaki hernandez. he participated in a round table with the president earlier this week. it was his experience growing up hearing gunshots in his neighborhood and being raised by an abusive father that drew president obama's notice. >> one young man, malaki he just talked about we should talk about love. [ applause ] because malaki and i shared the fact our dad wasn't around. and that sometimes we wondered
why he wasn't around and what had happened. my message to alex and malaki and to all the young men out there and young boys who aren't in this room haven't yet gotten that helping hand, haven't yet gotten that guidance i want you to know you matter. you matter to us. >> you matter. 16-year-old malaki live in boston. it is a pleasure sir. welcome. >> thank you. >> let's begin with the president's words, that you matter. did you growing up feel that you didn't? >> there were times where i didn't feel like i mattered but by the grace of god and by my mother her support, my mentors, and even me having the experience for obama to say those words to me it definitely
shows to me that i do matter. >> i mean the president of the united states not just, you know was sitting at a round table with you, he mentioned your name as someone he could relate with. how did that feel? >> it felt genuine, you know. i explained to him my background me growing up in a low-income single-parent household. by him saying my name it kind of boosted my confidence level up. and it made me realize that i can do it and not only me but other young people as well. >> when you say can do it you were part of this round table earlier in the week. what did the president share with you? what advice would he have to you and what would you want to share with others watching right now? >> he actually started off the discussion by saying what advice would you give to me and to us. >> really? >> so i said -- yeah, so the advice i said was include young people at the table. continue to incorporate young people because we're the ones
who face the challenges day to day. if you include young people then you're going to actually hear their stories and their actual accounts. you can get a better understanding of what's happening in society. >> so are you following the news have you been following what's happening around the country in recent months? ferguson north charleston baltimore. so much of this has to do with these young people in these communities, communities where it sounds like you grew up. how can the communities help them? >> how can the communities help them? >> i'm sorry. say that again. >> how can the communities help who exactly? >> how can communities help them? what do they need so they can take the right path? >> so i feel like the communities in general across the nation they just need love. look i told president obama, i felt at times as if i weren't loved, you know, growing up.
by me seeking mentors and receiving so many great opportunities, it filled up that gap that i was missing. by me being involved within mayor walsh's city hall office i just want to continue to do that work. not only spread the love i have to my family and to my younger brothers but to other communities and hopefully it can reach nations and i can continue to do the work that i do because i love it. >> it's awesome to hear that. i love that you get to say, like i told the president. you're just 16. we'll be watching for big things. malachi hernandez, thank you. coming up next tom brady getting ready to break his silence in a couple of hours just a day after the nfl accused him of knowing about those deflated footballs. is he a cheater? we have that. also kristen davis, as in kristen davis from "sex and the city" joins me live on this phenomenal documentary, this passion project of hers saving elephants. the story behind john kerry's
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patriots quarterback tom brady is firing back. he's speaking in a couple hours at salem state university after these reports came out stating he likely knew that the balls use the during the afc game were deflated. his agent saying quote, this is a significant and terrible disappointment. the nfl's report includes evidence of damning text exchanges between two equipment employees. benjamin watson is with me. used to play with the patriots knows tom brady. fellas welcome. to you first. i have to ask because people are calling tom brady a cheater. is he a cheater?
>> it's inconclusive. and in his words, he's not. >> diplomatic. >> the hard thing about this is that this evidence is very inconclusive. we have a 263-something page report that really leaves us thinking that he may have cheated but there's also the possibility he didn't. it also kind of opens up a hard rule when it comes to discipline, whatever that discipline is going to be. there's no hard evidence he actually did what they said he did. you have to do some sort of discipline as well. as a player i played with tom brady for six years. >> you're a receiver. >> i have the utmost respect for him. this is disappointing to me on a personal level, that these sorts of allegations would even come to this point. >> tonight when he speaks i understand it's a prescreened event. this was in motion way before obviously this report came out. do you think he touches this at all? if so how? >> i think he has to touch it even if it's in a very controlled way. they announced before this he wouldn't be taking questions from any reporters other than jim gray who's going to be
doing the q&a with him tonight. he has to say something. he can't let this slide. the problem is tom really painted himself into a box the week before the super bowl with his complete denial and expression of his own innocence, denial that he knew anything about this report suggests that the opposite is probably true. i think tom is going to have to backtrack a little bit tonight. i'm not sure how he's going to do it. he may have to say before the super bowl he didn't want to cause a distraction or something like that. maybe he'll cop to a little more tonight than he did back then. i don't think we're going to get a blanket confession from him. >> i'm hoping he doesn't confess because he didn't do anything. that's my hope that he stays the course and there's some way that, you know he wasn't involved with this. but again, it's really quite a lot points to the fact that something did indeed happen. >> i think what tom is probably guilty of maybe not being a criminal he's guilty of being obsessive, being extremely competitive, which all great athletes all great quarterbacks are. is he looking for every edge every way to bend the rules to
his advantage? probably. every great athlete does that. tom just got caught up in it here. >> what does roger goodell do? how many games do they dock the team? >> who knows. your guess is as good as mine. i think i'll be back to talk about that. i think that it runs the gamut. this is kind of unprecedented. when you look at the other gates, we talk about spygate and bountygate where there was some evidence, but maybe not conclusive. you see goodell suspend coaches for a year. you talk about fines. spygate, that was '07. i think that's part of the question what goodell is going to do. i know roger goodell will try to do something to protect the integrity of the game. one thing that we always talk about and that he always talks about in the nfl is protecting the integrity of the gimame. when the fans watch the game when players play the game they want to be sure the product they're seeing is true. issue looses like this come
small crime has turned into a bigger crime by brady lying. you mentioned spygate. i think he will take a stand, two games i'm going to guess. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate it. next kristin davis joins me live on the story behind the selfie and her passion project involving these little baby orphans. dear stranger, when i booked this trip, my friends said i was crazy. why would i stay in someone else's house? but this morning a city i've never been to felt like one i already knew.
should be even less than ten years, we won't be able to see these elephants alive. they will all be gone. trying to protect the near endangered eded species. it's a film that inspired john kerry to draw attention to the cause while traveling recently to kenya. here with me the film's executive producer, kissristin davis. it's lovely to see you. >> thank you. >> i was at the screening. there was not a dry eye in the room when this was over. my first question though is how
did you even come to know about this nursery? >> well the first way that i knew about it is that i saw a terrific piece on "60 minutes" by bob simon who did great wild life pieces. i thought, i have never been to this nursery to meet the baby elephants. that trip after i saw that i happened to be with friends. it was a dry season. we happened to hear about an orphaned baby elephant. we rescued her and got her to the trust in 2009. >> now, all these years later, you are this ambassador. you play this integral role. you can explain to people who don't understand what happens, how fridge illagile the young elephants are and what the trust helps to do? >> when a baby elephant is orphaned there's really no way for it to survive on its own. they are milk dependent like a human baby. they have studies that shows an elephant touches its mother every three seconds.
they're very tight, relationship. when the baby elephant has seen its family killed. the trauma is so tremendous that it just can't sometimes make it from an emotional level. they're very emotional creatures. sometimes they die just of the grief of losing their families. what they have done with the trust is made a human family and an elephant family that can take that baby elephant in and sometimes they still don't make it because they're so crushed. but often times, they do. so we have re-raise and released into the wild over 170 elephants through the trust. they are back now living in the wild the life that they should be living. >> it's these men who were in this piece who we get to know who care so much about these baby elephants. you talk about the psychology of these baby elephants. they are sleeping with them overnight. they become their mothers, in a sense. >> it's so true. the keepers are the heros. they spend 24/7 hours with the
baby elephants. they eat with them sleep with them. they are out all day with them. they are teaching them everything they need to know. how to do a dirt bath one of the ways that the elephants keep bugs off. they teach them everything that their elephant family would be teaching them. then also, there are the other orphans who teach the new babies what to do. it's a really beautiful progression. the fact that it's even able to happen is because daphne has devoted her life. before she started this, no one knew what to feed a baby elephant. this he would feed it cow milk which will do damage to the digestive system. she has figured this all out herself through a devotion a life-long devotion to the animals. >> it's phenomenal. she's this elephant whisperer. he went we want poaching to go away. stop buying ivory. when you wonder why people are behind this you think the poachers will make this million-dollar payday if they catch an elephant. a lot of the men are living with nothing. here is another clip.
>> it's not good to shoot it. to us it's right to live. it's just a life like you are life. you see symbolism. what am i going to do now? you can't get a job. >> he talked about really getting not much from it. ultimately being arrested. i have you for 30 more seconds. what is the message? >> well the message is that we really need to band together and ban ivory. we have to stop the demand. if the demand for ivory would go away then the elephants could live free wild lives again. if we don't ban ivory in time we're going to lose an iconic
species. our children will grow up with no elephants, which i find unacceptable. >> it's a beautiful piece. kristin davis, thank you for watch watching. "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. the bureau sent a warning about the texas shooter just hours before his terrorist attack. the national lead new evidence that a dead texas gunman had direct contact with an isis recruiter. startling information comes from the fbi director saying his agency warned local police with simpsons hours before his attack. tom brady coming out against an nfl report suggesting that he likely knew the footballs had been deflated purposely. the lawyers are trying to take the air out of the league's case.
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