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this is going to be more invasive. this is going to take a look at the pattern of arrests and whether or not there is something that the baltimore police are doing wrong and whether or not they are discriminating against african-americans and whether or not they have a pattern of policing that relies on excessive force. all of these things come into play in the freddie gray case carol. >> i know you sat down and talked with commissioner batts. is he for this? >> i had not asked him. i do know that he says that he knows they have problems. he knows that they have -- as you recall he said we are part of the problem. he's referring to the police department. so he knows they have to work on fixing training providing more equipment for his officers and trying to get them into the community there so that not the only interaction between the african-american community and the police is a negative one and
tries to get them to volunteer in neighborhoods so young people don't only encounter police again when they are being arrested. there is some other positive interaction with the police department there, carol. >> all right. evan perez, thanks so much. when the attorney general stands behind that podium we'll take you back live to baltimore. i have to take you just outside of new york city this morning. there's a massive crowd of 30,000 mourners streaming toward a long island church to remember officer brian moore. the 25-year-old nypd officer was gunned down over the weekend as he sat in an unmarked police car. by all accounts moore was an exceptional police officer. he was barely out of his teens when he joined the new york city police department. less than five years the officer racked up more than 150 arrests and he was awarded two exceptional service medals recognizing his dedication. jean casarez is outside of the church where the funeral is about to begin. good morning, jean.
>> reporter: good morning. that funeral is about to start in just one hour. just a couple minutes ago two nypd helicopters flew very low in formation over this catholic church here in long island st. james roman catholic church. more and more officers are arriving. officers are standing and lining the street where the coffin is believed to come down and has not happened yet to come to the church for the funeral. there are so many lay people here besides the officers from around the country. jetblue has offered free flights for officers to come and honor this fallen officer. officer brian was extremely young. he was 25 years old. he had been on the force only almost five years. brian moore was just on patrol with the anti-crime division. saw someone grasping into their waistband and called out and asked what are you doing? he didn't shoot. he didn't even have his gun on
that officer. the man did have a gun. turned around and shot him. ironically an officer who didn't shoot when someone it appeared was reaching for a weapon and he ends up to be dead. today they are honoring this young man who comes from a long family history of officers. his father his uncle, his cousins, all law enforcement and now they all have to mourn their fallen young officer, brian moore, 25 years old. that funeral set to begin in less than an hour now. >> all right, jean casarez reporting live for us this morning. thank you so much. and as those thousands of officers prepare to mourn one of %-ptheirfallenolleagues,i want to talk more about it with cnn law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the fbi, tom fuentes. representatives from all across the country have come to pay their last respects to this young officer.
you were a beat cop for several years. tell us why it's important for officers to collectively grieve. >> carol, it's normal for this to happen. i've been in these police funeral processions over the last 40 years. it happens. there's more than 100 police officers a year killed in the line of duty each year. this year and in the past 6 to 12 months it's been especially worrisome for street cops that they're being targeted or if not definitely like the last two new york city police officers killed in december where the individual from a baltimore street gang said he was going to new york to put wings on pigs and he put that out on social media. this one they don't know if it's revenge or racially motivated on the part of the shooter. what they do know is that they want some degree of respect and not to constantly hear on television that every time a cop says someone was reaching in their waistband, we asked them to show their hands and they
didn't do it that this happens. this is what police officers face every day on the street. now, if this guy would have pulled out a pack of cigarettes or something or a mobile phone and the officer might have jumped just a little bit early and shot him, we would be having riots in new york right now. but this is how close of a call it is for street cops and if they don't get it just right, they die. >> lieutenant officer moore was just 25 years old. just starting out. he was eager to do his job well. you recruit young officers. what do you tell them? >> they know coming into the job that it's inherently a dangerous position. not very many jobs in america you have to wear bulletproof vests for that very reason alone they know what they're getting into. as far as what we tell them you know they have excellent training here in dekalb. rely on your training. just watch each other's back and be aware of your surroundings at all time especially during this
climate we're in. >> lieutenant has it become difficult to recruit officers? >> well we just started hiring again here in dekalb in march. our numbers are low compared to what they have been. it's early to tell if it's a direct reflection of what's going on currently. you know the officers want to be police officers. usually from an early age it's a calling. that's what they want to do. so we really haven't had to twist anybody's arm so to speak to get into law enforcement. they usually search us out because it's something that they wanted to do. they want to give back to their communities and just be able to help people in any way that they can. >> it's been a little rough lately would you say? >> it has. and like i said it's hard to say whether or not because of what's going on has affected our numbers. it's certainly in the thoughts and minds of those that are
applying. >> tom, what would you tell a young person who wants to be a police officer who is trying to decide whether or not to take that kind of job? >> i get that question all the time from young men and women about careers in law enforcement, becoming a police officer or federal agent. and in all of those cases almost it's because it's a calling to them like it was to me and so many hundreds of thousands of others that they want to go on the job. they want to do good things as a police officer or law enforcement officer and they don't expect to go out and be racist or be in a position to do something bad. they welcome the opportunity. i have to tell you, police blogs right now are sending messages back and forth where people are saying tell your kids not to be cops. do something safe like join the nfl. you know that's what's happening now. people are saying this is tipping too far and that there needs to be a narrative of what do we really expect our police officers to do on the street?
yes, individuals are out there that have had 20 years of neglect by society and have come up and they're undereducated or not even high school graduates. can't get jobs. can't get anything. and they're on those street corners at midnight 1:00 in the morning, what do police officers do when they do something bad or they commit a crime? should they not arrest? should they not run after people anymore where they run away? just let them go. should they not look and check if they have weapons. let that go the caution for society and for these communities specifically is be careful what you ask for. most police officers are out there trying to take guns away from people because they are killing your kids. they're killing people in your community. if you want the police to back off and be kinder and gentler, the price that's going to be paid isn't going to be the police officers. it's going to be members of the community losing sons and daughters on the streets which is happening right now in baltimore now six times a week. >> lieutenant how do you feel about what tom just said? in light of the attorney
general, she's going to start this review of the baltimore city police department. what do you think? >> well like i said i think it falls back on training. we welcome -- if something were to happen in dekalb we have excellent training to train our officers and it's a tough situation with current events and in light of everything. it's difficult for the officers because you can't afford to have that pause, you know with everything going on. it takes a split second. one way or another, the officer's life or the suspect's life. it just happens that quick. and when the officers start to think about it too much and there's a pause, it puts the officer in danger. >> all right. thanks to both of you. i appreciate it. an emotional day on long island new york. let's take another look live as
tens of thousands of brothers and sisters in blue prepare to pay respects to fallen officer brian moore killed in the line of duty. i'll be right back. >>who... is this?! >>hi, i am heinz new mustard. hi na na na na >>she's just jealous because you have better taste. whatever. >>hey. keep your chin up. for years, heinz ketchup has been with the wrong mustard. well, not anymore. introducing heinz new better tasting yellow mustard. mmm! let's head back to washington d.c. attorney general loretta lynch talking about an investigation into the baltimore city police department. let's listen. >> has given rise to a serious
erosion of trust. i have been asked to augment our approach to the situation with a court enforcement model. i spent the last few days with my team considering which of the justice department's tools for police reform best meets the current needs of the baltimore police department and the broader baltimore community. today the department of justice is opening an investigation into whether the baltimore police department has engaged in a pattern or practice of violations of the constitution or federal law. this investigation will begin immediately and will focus on allegations that baltimore police department officers use excessive force including deadly force, conduct unlawful searches seizures and arrests, and engage in discriminatory policing. the cops office will continue to work with the baltimore police department and the collaborative
reform process will now convert to provision of technical assistance to the baltimore police department. now, some may ask how this differs from our current work with baltimore police department and the answer is rather than examining whether the police department violated good policies we will now examine whether they violated the constitution and the community's civil rights. this approach has been welcomed by the baltimore city fraternal order of police. i want to thank them for their support and their partnership as we move forward. in the coming days civil rights division attorneys and investigators conducting the investigation and the police experts who will assist them will be engaging with community members and with law enforcement. we'll examine policies practices and available data. at the conclusion of our investigation, we will issue a report of our findings. if unconstitutional policies or practices are found, we will seek a court enforceable agreement to address those issues. we will also continue to move
forward to improve policing in baltimore even as the pattern of practice investigation is under way. our goal is to work with the community, public officials, and law enforcement alike to create a stronger better baltimore. the department of justice civil rights division has conducted dozens of these pattern of practice investigations to date and we've seen from our work in jurisdictions across the country that communities that have gone through this process are experiencing improved policing practices and increased trust between the police and the community. in fact i encourage other cities to study our past recommendations and see whether they can be applied in their own communities. ultimately this process is meant to ensure that officers are provided with the tools they need including training policy guidance and equipment to be more effective to partner with civilians and to strengthen
public safety. now, for many people across the country, the tragic death of mr. freddie gray and unfortunate violence that did occur has come to personify the city as if that alone is baltimore. earlier this week i visited with members of the community who took to the streets in the days following the unrest to pick up trash and clear away debris and they are baltimore. i visited with elected officials who were determined to help the neighborhoods that they love come back stronger and more united and they are baltimore. i visited youth leaders who believe that there is a brighter day ahead and they are baltimore, too. i also visited with law enforcement officers that worked 16 days without a break and they were focused not on themselves or even their own safety but on protecting the people who live in their community. they too, are baltimore. none of us has illusions.
the challenges that we face and that baltimore faces now did not arise in a day and change will not come overnight. it will take time and sustained effort. the people that i met in baltimore from the protesters to the public officials to the officers including one who had been injured amidst the violence all were saying to me ultimately the same thing. i love my city. i want to make it better. and that is why i'm optimistic about this process. that's why i am actually hopeful about the days and weeks to come and that is why i'm confident that as a result of this investigation and the hard work that is still ahead and make no mistake about it it is hard work. all members of the baltimore community, residents and law enforcement alike, will create a stronger safer and more united city together. thank you for your time and your attention. at this time i would like to open it up for a few questions. >> reporter: part of the request
itself that came from the city what have you seen or heard from residents of baltimore that led you to believe that the justice department review would need to be augmented? are problems deeper than you perhaps initially understood? can you talk about why the justice department believes that it is not sufficient? >> let me say at the outset that we believe strongly in the collaborative reform process and it has helped numerous communities and police dents departments across the country. we need a three-part base of support. police engagement elected official engagement and community engagement and the ability to have faith in the process. obviously we have all seen events change in baltimore and become much more intense over a very short period of time. it was clear to a number of people looking at this situation that the community's frayed trust to use an understatement
was worse and has in effect been severed in terms of the relationship with the police department. so we felt that that was one factor in viewing whether or not we would literally be able to use collaborative reform to actually make the changes that we need. also as we look more at the issues facing the police department itself in terms of the needs that they have and in terms of the issues the residents were raising, they were much more serious and they were more intense than when we began the collaborative review process. so we felt the best thing to do was to conduct an investigation to see whether or not these issues rose to the level of federal civil rights violations and if so have the best model in which to address them which in our view is a court enforceable agreement. >> reporter: the senator yesterday made reference to a fractured trust between police and communities around the country, not only in baltimore. i wonder from your standpoint how serious that fracture is nationally? >> we've had a number of
situations that have highlighted this fracture in various communities in different parts of the countries, cities of all sizes issues ranging from people being harmed or unfortunate deaths in custody. i think we see it when it occurs. i think that the issue really goes beyond just the interaction between the police and the community. we're talking about generations not only of mistrust but generations of communities that feel very separated from government overall. you were talking about situations where there's a flash point occurrence that coalesces years of frustration and anger and that's what i think you saw in baltimore when there was an unfortunate night of violence. i think you see it in other cities around the country as well. you can't look at a city and predict what's going to happen. you can't look at a city and analyze it and certainly we're not looking to do that. we hope that our work both through collaborative reform and
past investigations other cities can look at their own environments and decide what issues they see and whether or not some of the work that's been done in the past can be brought to bear and help them as well. >> reporter: will the department release their findings that folks have found in collaborative review or will that be folded into pattern of practice? >> the information will be folded into the pattern of practice investigation. typically, however, when we do a collaborative reform effort with a police department that usually does end in a report that is made public. because we're now going to fold it into an investigation, we actually will not be having that collaborative reform report. there will be a report at the end of the pattern of practice investigation that will draw on that. >> this violence took place as you were coming into office. as you saw it unfold what was your reaction? what did you think? >> i have to say i watched it as
did most people through the prism of my television screen but have seen similar incidents across the country. i would have to say my first reaction was profound sadness. it truly was. it was profound sadness for the los of life for the erosion of trust, for the sadness and despair that the community was feeling. for the frustration that i know the police officers were feeling also as they tried to encourage peaceful protests but then had to deal with violence. so i would say my first reaction was profound sadness. >> reporter: the fbi director and secretary of homeland security are having a teleconference today with the nation's police to talk about this growing concern over isis social media. how much of a concern is that? how urgent a concern is that for the justice department? >> as we look into our national security cases, we have attempted to see which tools those who would seek to do americans harm utilize.
i think social media is one we've seen be used in cases that result in my old district we've seen social media used as a recruitment tool and means of disseminating information. it's an area that we try to stay on top of. i would say it's part of what we look at to try to determine who is trying to do us harm. >> reporter: i will apologize for not knowing everyone's name right away otherwise i wouldn't point to you in this manner. >> reporter: garland police department said they didn't have sufficient information that a threat was headed their way. proliferation of isis inspired individuals in the united states how are you working to make sure that local officials are looped into what you are looking at in the federal level? >> when information is determined to generate a threat to any police department we do provide them with as much information as we can. in this situation you saw there was an individual who had come
under scrutiny before but had not been very active in the immediate past. so the information that was provided was probably more limited than the garland police would have liked or hoped to have seen. i know all efforts were made to provide them with information and in fact they were tremendously helpful in the results of the case and the results of the shooting that occurred. >> as you know, a lot of states and localities are looking to you and your department to help heal that fractured trust between police and communities. that said you only have so many resources to conduct these cops reviews and pattern of practice investigations. do you need more attorneys and investigators? do you need the law to be changed to change the legal standard under which you can bring these civil rights cases? >> as i was on the hill
yesterday at my first appropriations hearing and of course we always ask for increased resources to handle the cases that we have and the ones that we anticipate coming down the pike. but to the larger issue raised by your question which is communities looking for help and resources. the department of justice is here to help. we do try to be a resource. the reality is we cannot litigate our way out of this problem. it's not the department's intention to engage in an investigation or review of every police department across the country. it's rather our goal and our profound hope that the work that we have done will be a base for communities to look at and to build upon as they determine what issues exist in their communities. we now have a very solid body of reports, both collaborative reform and pattern of practice investigations. i will say that one of the things i'm most pleased about over recent years has been the development that many of our investigations are begun very
cooperatively in conjunction with law enforcement and elected officials. they reach out to us for assistance. they are not in the adversarial mode. a few may result in court action but by in large most of them have been under the environment of working very very well with police and with community officials. so our hope is that other jurisdictions, cities large and small, can look at these reports and say are these the issues that i face? what did the justice department see there? what does my police department do that may look like this or may be a model for better behavior than this? one things we try to do through the cops process before we get to collaborate reform or an investigation is pair police departments up with their peers who have had successful work particularly with police community relations. we have a whole range of services that we try to offer from technical assistance to providing expert advice. our goal is to be a resource and
a guide but not to be the hand reaching in to every police department because we truly do believe that communities, cities police departments, they know their cities best. they know what those issues and those problems are. we want to help them reach better solutions. >> eric tucker with associated press. much has been made about the different racial dynamics when you talk about baltimore city versus ferguson and in ferguson you had a police department that had very few number of minorities. obviously the situation in baltimore is very different. to what extent based on that racial dynamic are you anticipating that the problems in baltimore will be different and perhaps less race based in nature than what we encountered in ferguson? >> i think regardless of the racial ethnic make up of any city every city is different. every police department is different. they all present different issues. i think that policing is a challenging profession at this
time no matter where you are. i think the issues facing baltimore do -- some people express them in racial tones. more in tones of community leaders feel frustrated and pain. police department leaders feeling frustrated at not being able to protect their city. it was a strong commonalty in what i heard in baltimore that crossed races, crossed professions and crossed groups. every city is different. i don't want to prejudge or put that particular prism on any particular city. >> reporter: a senator yesterday asked that grant money provided to agencies be tied to ethnic bias training. what is your position?
>> many grants are specifically for training purposes. many provide equipment and do other things. so our approach has always been that rather than conditioning getting a grant or a particular program, we work with the jurisdiction to really focus on the specific need that they have and then basically give them access to the training that they need. the training for every department really is different. the requirements and needs are different for every department. we're always considering ways to make our grant programs more efficient. >> what more should the federal government be doing to deal with isis using social media in unprecedented ways? what more should the federal government do on the pro-active level? >> i think what i can say at this point is we're using all of the tools available to us to determine how social media is being used. but as always we have to balance
that with every individual's right to free speech with privacy rights. those are very important concerns. and so we have to balance that also with making sure that what we do does not interfere with the free flow of information for all law abiding citizens. i'm not able to give you specific details of what the government is focusing on now but to say that we're focusing on that as an issue. it's not a new issue. we've seen social media being used in a number of cases. it's an expansion of how the internet has been used frankly for several years now both in recruitment and radicalization of young people to join terrorist groups. >> we'll take one more question. >> reporter: can you explain to people why they shouldn't be concerned that the federal government was flying surveillance place over baltimore during the protests? >> i did see that report. i think that someone came to me
and said something about were you flying drones over baltimore? i thought i don't have drones. leaving that aside -- not particularly no. it's actually not an uncommon practice for police helicopters to fly over to try to figure out where are people moving to or where might violence be breaking out and provide information down to the field similar to officers on the ground providing surveillance reports as well. so i don't think it was a new occurrence. i think you see it in any number of cities. it was for the limited purpose of finding out where were pockets of violence and what could be done about that. you'll have to be the last one. john? >> reporter: the other day when the mayor was talking about asking you about the investigation, she was also touting a 46% drop in complaints about use of force and 54%
reduction in reports of officers being discourteous. >> all of the data will factor in our investigation. it's premature to say what that data means. we've seen situations where you can have numbers that look great but if you're the person who is involved in an unfortunate incident for you it feels like it's 100%. so we'll be looking at all of those issues and incidents but we look at the larger issues of whether or not the police as they work to stop arrest and detain people how they are in fact implementing their policies. we'll look at excessive force and use and guidance that they have and training they have already. that will factor into our investigation. it's premature right now to say how it will impact on it. all right. thank you all. >> all right. the attorney general loretta lynch talking about launching an
investigation into the baltimore city police department. in case you are just joining us i want to sum it up for you quickly. some of the questions that will be addressed by this department of justice investigation did baltimore police conduct unlawful searches seizures and arrests? did baltimore police violate the constitution and the community's civil rights and also the justice department will continue to improve the baltimore police department while this investigation is going on. with me now to talk about what the attorney general just said cnn justice reporter evan perez, our national correspondent suzanne malveaux in baltimore and cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. >> it was a local story and then it turned into national and international story before the riots broke out and before the community took to the streets and helped the police and law enforcement and those community activists gained their streets back in peace in this community.
a lot of people came up to me after seeing that video of freddie gray and very quietly told their own stories. stories about one man who had been strip searched on the streets. pants pulled down. half naked. everyone had a chance to see this on the street. another young woman had her cell phone taken by a police officer and smashed on the ground and another person told me they saw somebody beaten up and then just dropped from a police van. these were the kinds of stories that police would tell you off the record quietly, just coming out of their homes because they wanted to give a sense of what it was like to live in that community and what their own experience was in that neighborhood. i think what you're going to hear from people in the community is that they finally are heard. this is not something that through violence in the streets or through the community activists coming out and trying to quell the violence but some real movement with teeth.
the federal government the justice department and potentially some actions to follow if in fact they find this is a pattern and practice. that's what i'm getting from people here because these are folks who did not just a couple weeks ago feel empowered at all. they felt demoralized. they felt diminished. they didn't even want to go on camera. we have seen a dramatic turn in this community in baltimore as the spotlight is on those folks on the ground. i think that's going to be very critical to see what the justice department does. obviously we're not going to get the answers soon but it is a step forward. >> okay. i was going to ask that question evan. how long might this investigation take? >> carol i think it's going to take a while. right now the justice department has 16 consent decree agreements with police departments around the country from new orleans police department to albuquerque. right now they have nine ongoing investigations including the one in ferguson that we've talked about in the past. what i thought was interesting
about the attorney general's statement was she described a frayed relationship between the community and the police frankly and she said it's an understatement because it's to the point of being severed. so she is using some very tough language to describe what a big job this police department has in baltimore to try to regain trust there. >> tom, something else that intrigued me about what loretta lynch said. this investigation and others will be helpful to police departments across the country. is that right? >> absolutely carol. first of all, i would like to say i have the highest respect for loretta lynch. i worked with her when she was a young assistant united states attorney in the eastern district of new york when i was working in the organized crime program. she prosecuted many organized crime cases where she worked closely with fbi agents other federal agents local police officers. she went to china in one of our cases to work with the chinese police officers that worked eded
jointly with us. she goes back a long way having an outstanding relationship with law enforcement officers. i think one thing i would like to commend her on that something her predecessor didn't do when he went to ferguson when she went to baltimore, she went and met with the police also. she recognizes that this will take the community, the political leaders and the police to work together even in the pattern and practice. just to explain to the viewers, the fbi investigation of civil rights cases is done by fbi agents with the purpose of possibly a federal criminal prosecution by assistant attorneys from the civil rights division of department of justice. the patterns and practice is not done by police officers or fbi agents but basically it's a review of all of the statistics who has been arrested what were the circumstances, the complaints all of those things. in this case she intends for it to be a very collaborative effort with all of the members
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news. tragic bit to pass along to you. this is happening outside of the city of atlanta northeast of the city to be exact. a small plane has crashed on a major highway that would be i-285. that small plane departing from peachtree airport. we don't know how many people were aboard this plane but we believe the type of plane to be a piper pa32. it's barely recognizable. traffic is now stopped in both directions as emergency crews continue to work at the scene. when i get more information, i'll pass it along to you. this plane went down on i-285 northeast of the city of atlanta. also this morning, you are looking at live pictures from new york. tens of thousands of officers coming together from across the country to mourn the death of their colleague, officer brian moore. moore is remembered as an exceptional officer by the new york city police commissioner. his funeral at a long island church will begin in just about
a half hour. 30,000 police officers from across the country are expected to make their way to long island to honor this fallen police officer. joining me now to talk more about this is new york city councilman mark levine. thank you for being with me. reflect on this officer's service. he was exceptional at the young age of a 25. >> he was the son of a family of police officers. what a hero putting his life in danger in a tough neighborhood to serve others. his death is a blow to the heart of all new yorkers who mourn his passing. >> 30,000 from across the country. it's a lot of people coming to honor him. >> he deserves it. i'm heartened by the level of support that people in new york city and around the country have shown in this moment. let's hope it brings people together toward something positive as we mourn the loss of this hero.
>> officer moore was in an unmarked police car. he asked a guy walking outside of the car what he had inside his waistband and the suspect pulled out a gun and shot him three times in the face. this gun was stolen from a pawn shop in rural georgia. 23 guns in all were stolen from this same store. nine of them have shown up on the streets of new york city. senator chuck schumer calls this the iron pipeline. that's not so unusual for guns to come from states like georgia into the city. tell me about that and tell me about the problem that -- >> time and time again guns killing people on the streets of new york city are coming from a handful of southern states like georgia, which have lax gun laws. it's not enough for new york city alone to restrict gun sales here because we live in a big country with states that make it easier for people to go down south and purchase guns.
it's legal to buy dozens of guns at once. why would someone need to go into a store in georgia and buy dozens of handguns? that for hunting? it's for distribution. these are arms dealers going to the south where access is easy and coming north to places like new york. we need federal rules to protect new york and cities everywhere. >> and in this particular case i believe the guns were stolen from this pawn shop and the store owner was quoted as saying that of course he's sorry about what happened but he said that the guns that are then sold on the streets of new york from georgia go for a good price. high price. >> there's a big markup. entrepreneurs realize they can double or triple the price. they are going down and filling up vans and coming back north. it would be very easy if we simply limited the purchase of handguns to say one a month and that would put an end to this kind of arms dealing. >> going back to officer moore, five new york city police officers died in the line of duty this year alone.
40 across the country. we know it's happening in cities like baltimore and also in new york city. this is just an uncomfortable time. it's a sad time because the police and the community don't trust one another. so what should we be feeling right now as we honor this officer? >> we lost two brave officers in december. two officers were shot in january in the bronx. they lived thankfully. we have now lost officer moore. this is five shootings in five months. far too many. to put this in perspective, new york city is so much safer today than it was in decades past. in 1971 there were 12 officers shot and killed in one year. we need to do much more to protect our officers while continuing to reduce crime and while making sure that communities of color in new york city are not subjected to unfair or overly aggressive policing. that's tough to do simultaneously. through smart policy we can do
it. when you look at things like cameras as part of standard equipment for police officers that protects people on both sides of the shield. it protects officers too who might be accused wrongly and have protection of the video. we're retraining officers in new york city so that every one of the 35 cops is learning more about conflict de-escalation and that's good for both sides. this kind of policy can achieve these often contradictory roles. >> i'll be right back. caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am his sunshine. i am his advocate.
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all right. we're just getting this news into cnn. the threat level has been raised at military bases across the country because of "concerns of jihadist activity." we me to parse this out is barbara starr and rick francona is on the phone and tom fuentes is standing by as well. barbara, tell us more about this threat level being raised. >> this is what we know at this hour. late last night the head of the u.s. northern command who overseas all u.s. military bases in the united states raised the security protection levels at all bases in the united states. the new level is called force protection level bravo. you see it there.
this means an increased and predictable threat of terrorism. what u.s. officials tell me in the last few minutes is they do not have a specific credible threat at this time but this comes hours after fbi director james comey publicly talked about the fact there may be thousands in the united states with jihadist leanings who are online community katecating with jihad ist leaders. so again, it's not that they see a specific imminent threat but given what is going on with u.s. law enforcement and what we saw this week in garland, texas, where that attack happened a feeling by the united states military by the pentagon that they have to take action to raise their security levels at u.s. bases. what will this mean? if there's a military base in
your town or community, there are likely to be delays getting into the base. there would be more vehicle i.d. checks. there may be 100% personnel i.d. checks showing your pass to get in. more guards on station. more guard posts. more people on duty. that sort of thing. a lot of americans are familiar with the pentagon. this is a build where every day security conditions are changed around and they are very random and unpredictable and high level. this building where i'm standing a potential terrorist target in the eyes of the united states. this has been the new normal that unpredictability and changing up security measures so potential attackers cannot plan on how they might get to a military base through that security perimeter. one u.s. military official saying this is the new normal. more security more
unpredictable security and trying to keep potential attackers off guard. carol? >> all right. standby. we'll go to colonel francona. tom, to you in a second. colonel francona, what barbara said. they want to remain unpredictable. what does that mean. >> it means they'll change up security day by day. one day may be 100% i.d. check and next day they'll go back to driver needs to be checked. i suspect with force level protect to bravo, they'll go to 100% i.d. check. it will be difficult to get on a military installation. it used to be only one person in the car needed an i.d. and now everyone will have an i.d. public areas on some military installations like museums or visitor centers will be more difficult to get into. it's just an awareness that
there's a threat out there. i think this is a prudent move. we've already seen some attacks on military installations. i think the pentagon is realizing they need to address this because the situation is not going to improve. the threat level is going to increase. as isis is more capable and more americans return from overseas. this is not only a military problem but a law enforcement problem. >> i have general "spider" marks. when barbara and colonel francona say it's the new normal things won't change soon right? >> the issue remains how do you provide protection for your military personnel and maintain readiness within that level of protection. the issue to rick francona's point, there's not only immediate access issue and challenge under each military
installation but it's also enhanced connectivity and the relationship and information sharing and intelligence sharing that they have with those that are inside. this is not only what i would call an inside defense, it's an outside defense type of requirement. this is the new normal. these are measures of protection that must be in place to keep adversaries guessing as to what our capabilityies are and what we know about what they're doing. >> tom, i want to ask you about this bravo level of security. increased in predictable threats. what kind of intelligence do you suppose they're getting militarily? >> again, carol, they are probably picking up social media expressing an interest to attack a military installation and kill people on a base.
the problem is it's difficult. you can do additional screening as people come in and you will have long lines because many bases are small or medium sized cities. ft. hood is the city of peoria illinois. you have people coming in and out to work and people inside the base walking around. in some cases they are getting weapons training explosive training and walking around in fatigues so everyone looks like they're in a form of preparation for war. you already have the situation where they have to worry about members of the military becoming radicalized and killing fellow members of the military. this is a difficult situation to protect these bases in and out. >> thanks to all of you. i appreciate it. i'll be right back.
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there's a small regional airport close to this location. we don't know what happened. we're continuing to follow the story. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" starts now. hello. i'm john berman. kate bolduan is off today. we do have breaking news. just moments ago we learned that the pentagon has raised the security threat level at u.s. military bases. raised the threat level. as of now, it's threat level bravo meaning increase in predictable threat of terrorism. the question is why? there is new growing concern about the threat from isis and other jihadists. the fbi director announced that thousands of people in the u.s. are suspected of being radicalized online in direct contact with isis or other terror groups. thousands of people. jame