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photography good morning. i'm carol costello thank you so much for joining me. racing toward disaster the amtrak train barreling around the curve at 106 miles per hour. why was the train traveling at twice the speed limit before it veered off the tracks? train engineer 32-year-old brandon bostonion in the middle
of the photo and investigation. his attorney said a head injury may have erased vital clues. he doesn't remember anything. families in limbo. frantically searching for loved ones that have disappeared since the crash. let's start with the investigation and latest insights from the attorney representing that train engineer. krmpbs s cnn's live. >> reporter: that's right. the man that could potentially provide vital clues as to why the train was traveling more than double the speed limit that tragic night, he says he does not remember what happened. 32-year-old brandon bastion amtrak engineer for five years according to linkedin account. he was responsible for the train's operation. his lawyer robert goggin told nbc's "gma" he suffered a head injury. take a listen. >> i believe as a result of the
concussion he has absolutely no recollection whatsoever of the events. i'm told his memory is likely to return as the concussion symptoms aside. >> he spent six hours with the police. what did he tell them? >> everything he knew. cooperated fully. >> what does he know? what is the last thing he remembers. >> he remember coming into the curve, attempting to reduce speed thereafter. he was mocked out like all the other panes in the train. >> goggin says his client voluntary gave authorities a blood sample as well as his cell phone. we understand authorities are applying for a search warrant to be able to look at his cell phone records thinking maybe he could have been potentially on the phone at the time of the crash. goggin said his client suffered no medical issues and was on no
medication that night, carol. >> what are investigators doing at the scene now. >> i want to you take a look at the scene behind me really is a hive of activity. investigators still hard at work. it appears as though they are trying to clear just over this way the end of the train. yesterday we saw two cars here. today there's only one you can see they moved heavy equipment in the area. we understand from the ntsb they are taking cars to a secure location off sight. they are still premuch trying to analyze tracks, signals. you can see over there some men actually looking like they are testing tracks. one of the priorities of not om to figure out what happened but also to get this corridor up and operating again. it is absolutely vital transit area for the northeast. also as we know still actively searching for people who could potentially have been thrown from the train. everyone who was on board that train has been accounted for,
carol. >> erin mclaughlin reporting live. thank you. the northeast corridor is the busiest passenger rail line in the country. normally carries 750,000 passengers. it costs economy $100 million a day. as it shows there was a long list of cancellations again. people are relying on buses and planes to get them between new york and washington. it's disrupting businesses who rely on this service. let's talk more about that with brian steltser. good morning. >> they really rely on this train corridor. the most popular way to get back and forth from new york and washington. frequent travelers play a game whether it's better to fly or take the train. it's usually better to take the train. they are having to resort to other options all this week. there's no answers when train service will be restored.
you see a map and it's as if there's a giant hole cut in the middle of the artery in philadelphia. like you mentioned, people can be taking a plane, can be driving p the fact am track said little about when it will be restored increasing frustration. penn station this morning, i spent the morning there. it's weirdly empty, quiet because people don't have an answer now. >> i think it's difficult to understand who don't live in that part of the country to understand how important it is to this corridor. >> it's four times busier. that goes to show this is a unique part of the country when it comes to rail. there isn't a back-up. there isn't a second line all these northeast regional trains move onto. people talk a lot about infrastructure in the last 48 hours, last 36 hours. regardless whether the infrastructure up to date in the particular area there isn't a
second or third line to put these rail lines onto. there are three airports in new york. there are three airports in d.c. but there isn't another way to get up and down on the trains. >> of course the government subsidizes amtrak everybody knows that. there's a question the government should get out of the railroad business. i'll discuss that later in the newsroom. it's something hanging in the air. >> said nothing since last night about when they will be able to restore service of as these days go on it becomes a bigger headache for people traveling, whether they can know if they can make plans for next week. >> brian stelter, thank you very much. i appreciate it. investigators trying to find out what went horribly wrong, survivors are left trying to understand and help cope with what's happened. >> we were going through a curve and whatever speed it was going at pushed it out and pushed it up. we just flew. >> everything was going fine. all of a sudden for about two seconds our car started to
shake. before we knew it we were flung up against the window. >> we were upside down and flying and people were screaming. it was incredibly awful. they are not supposed to go upside down. when it fell there was yelling like no then it was quiet. all the noise stopped and it was quiet. people were really hurt and it was pandemonium. >> in that moment when i was tumbling i really thought this might be. love ly >> many of the injured passengers in the hospital. investigators ruled out there may be more victims at that crash site. mayor nutter said it's possible some travelers could have been ejected. ntsb said it's also possible that some passengers may have left the site before checking
officials leaving them unaccounted for. joining us now to discuss this shawn shawn, vice president of the association. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> i think everybody is wondering why can't amtrak account for everybody on the train. >> there's a lot of stops. people got off, come on. it's one of the more complex rail corridors not only in the u.s. but western hemisphere. one of the values of the corridor not just the fact it affects new york city and washington, d.c. but all these intermediate cities. so it's going to be very complicated. amtrak has taken steps by introducing electronic ticketing, which i think a lot of people are familiar with if they have taken a commercial air flight and that's doing to help
them. ten years ago they probably would have been dealing with paper tickets, paper manifests. but again, there's a lot of different factors to take in account for. >> absolutely. but sadly i was talking to one of rachel jacobs best friends and her family was frantically trying to find out what happened to her. we've come to find out that rachel jacobs died aboard that train. her name wasn't listed like on a typical passenger ticket so it should amtrak a little while to find it. that has to be frustrating, though for families at this particular time. >> exactly. the national association of railroad passengers has 28,000 members. we are all united by the strategy and we are united in the sense of disappointment. none of this had to happen. we can look at other countries
and see that they have safety records unparalleled. japan has been operating a high-speed rail system for 50 years and there's been not a single fatality for a passenger electric a collision or derailment. so you know our members are asking why did this have to happen and looking to congress to provide a solution so it doesn't happen again. >> some members of congress say they should get out of the business all together and let private industry take it over. is that the answer? >> well here is what we know this corridor is indispensable to the region. frankly there are trains all over the country in dispensable to the towns they serve but the northeast corridor is a class all its own. in the past congress has tried to say we want to solicit bids from private operators cocoa in and take over amtrak and there
hasn't been the sbchl the reason there is not the interest there's a $52 billion state of repair backlog. it's maintenance. it's not building a new fancy high-speed rail line just bringing what we have into repair. the private sector is not going to take that $52 billion debt onto their balance sheets. so if we can address infrastructure issues we can move to a model seen in other countries where private companies build. for refusing to connect the doths between basic infrastructure maintenance and safety and efficiency is irresponsible. >> sean thank you, we appreciate it. whatever the toll in terms of human lives is gut wrenching. several people died heading home to their families. now we're seeing the faces of
the victims and hearing from their loved ones. >> a u.s. naval academy midshipman wells fargo executive, an associated press video software architect, a chief executive of a small tech company, a college dean they are among toss killed in a violent derailment of an amtrak train outside philadelphia. >> he was a loving son, nephew and cousin very community minded. this tragedy has shocked us all in the worst way. >> 20-year-old justin zemser from rockaway beach queens was a sophomore at the u.s. naval academy, team captain of his high school football team valedictorian. those who knew him called him a great kid, a genius. >> simply he was the best person i know. he made me better we made each other better. >> software architect jim gaines worked for associated press and once one the geek of the month
award. his wife released a statement saying jim is more precious to us than we can adequately express. he leaves behind two children. wells fargo executive abid gilani a married father of two, split his time between new york and the d.c. area. his wife says she'll miss his kind spirit. >> he was a kind family man, and we have suffered a tremendous loss today. he'll be sorely missed. he was really a wonderful person. >> rachel jacobs was chief executive of a small tech company aprennet. her family says unthinkable. wonderful daughter, mother, sister wife and friend. she's survived by her husband and two-year-old son. dr. derrick griffith medgar
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somewhere in between. with me republican strategist rich galen, and executive editor for cnn politics. i'm starting to feel sorry for governor bush. this is the kind of exchange candidates dread. >> it is on at this point. one, that was not a republican primary voter. that's not necessarily the folks he's speaking to at this point in the campaign. that clearly was a liberal or democrat trying to get a rise out of jeb bush. also jeb bush is not very excitable, which is interesting, important on the campaign trail. mitt romney was excitable, irritable, people get under his skin. jeb bush did the best he could at that point. when it comes to how jeb bush is handling this week it's all about timing. it's better off he's getting hard questions now than later on in the campaign. >> although the obvious question rich why wasn't the governor prepared to answer this question in the first place? >> well i'll tell you
something, mark and i have talked about this over the years, running for high public office is like being a major league baseball player it's not something you can turn on and turn off. governor bush, secretary clinton, have not run for public office in a long time. getting your batting eye back so to speak, takes some time. somebody comes off the disabled lift. >> come on. this is a question he should have expected from the get go. >> i'm explaining it to you, when somebody comes off the disabled list they are sent to the minors to get that back. in high-level politics you can't run for county commissioner while you're getting ready to run for president of the united states. should the campaign have been ready for this more ready? absolutely. does this matter? maybe. but this is a long way to go. we've got eight months to go before iowa. >> that is true. that is very true although conservatives aren't liking jeb bush. >> they didn't like him before.
>> they didn't like him before but they do like his brother george bush. maybe it's time george w. bush come out and stand beside jeb bush. you look at quinnipiac you see why i'm saying this. 80% of iowa caucusgoers love jeb bush numbers are high among tea party and evangelicals. i assume it would be the same in south carolina. maybe george w. bush is bush's answer mark? >> if you hold your breath you are going to turn blue. we will not see george w. bush on the campaign trail but he has been involved in his brother's campaign back in march. he attended a fundraiser. in many ways that could be the role for george w. bush. i spoke to an adviser in the last 20 minutes or so they were talking holistically about the campaign want to talk about the future don't want to talk about the past. when you have george w. bush in any pictures out there campaigning, you're talking about the past carol. >> that's really the point,
mark isn't it carol, what jeb has to do is learn to deflect those questions and turn them around so he's talking about the future and not trying to explain the past. you don't get valentines days cards for running for president of the united states. you get angry college students like we saw earlier. >> that's true. she was full of youthful vigor. so what's the answer for jeb bush? how does he answer the next question that comes his way about the iraq war. >> what mark suggested is exactly right. you turn it to the future. what happened happened. the fact he answered at all is a mistake. presidents are not allowed to go back and rewind the tape and say let's do it this way. you only know what you know when you know it. what jeb should say, hillary, huckabee whoever else is in this thing. they should say, look we are where we are now. let's look forward and see how wets out of this mess. not just here but china,
indonesia, india, south africa. it's a big world out there and we need to think about america's role in that entire world. >> rich galen, mark preston, thanks to both of you, i appreciate it. >> thanks. you're welcome. is high clouds about to get more competition within her own party? according to a campaign aid, former governor martin o'malley will announce 2016 plans may 30th in baltimore. he's telling top backers more about the plans during a conference call tonight. just this week o'malley made stops in new york new hampshire and maryland. still to come in the newsroom no trace of a u.s. military helicopter with six marines on board in nepal. cnn's will ripley went out on a search mission. he'll join us to tell us how it went next.
the search for a missing u.s. military helicopter with six marines on board is going through the night in nepal. our own will ripley took off in a helicopter over the search site a few hours ago. he's now landed in kathmandu to tell us more. will what did you see? >> reporter: carol, toif tell you, it's one thing to talk about the devastation and hear the stat ichx but -- statistics but to fly overhead like we did today absolute devastation in kathmandu. we flew 80 miles east of the city. we flew over villages where most of the homes were destroyed. people standing on their roofs
waving whatever they could towels sheets trying to get our attention because they thought we were an aid helicopter. they thought we were bringing supplies to them. supplies they desperately need. that really hits you when you realize these are people who are very isolated right now. what we also saw were tremendous lap slides i've never seen boldt boulders so big that roll down mountains and blocked off roads. in some cases it looked like mountains swallowed roads. the train itself very rugged very difficult to see far down into some of these ravines. this is the immediate area where marine helicopter last had contact. they had this visual search going on. it's so hard being able to spot a helicopter on the ground in the midst of all this landscape we flew over carol. the search does continue aerial search. on the ground 500 troops mostly nepali army mostly special forces searching 24/7 to locate
missing soldiers and nepalese police. they continue to rescue injured in addition to doing their search. >> there's been no radio - transmission of any kind from u.s. discouraging that they haven't been able to get out communication. again, there are areas where even satellite phones may have a difficult time getting out. these marines are highly trained. if they are on the ground and alive, they are trained to survive in these kinds of conditions. one thing i learned today that i found especially troubling, there have been other cases in the last 20 years in nepal where helicopters have gone down and they have never been found. we certainly hope that won't be the case this time. the search does continue. >> oh, my goodness i hope not either. will ripley reporting live from kathmandu. thank you. a long time family friend of the pilot of the u.s. marine helicopter is speaking out this morning. captain always knew he wanted to be a pilot for the marines. has he degrees in aerospace
engineering and mathematics. his friend mark bell said if there's anyone that can get this crew safely on the ground it's captain nor greene. >> he's great guy with a lot of passion, everything he's done. he was doing what he loved most pilot for the marines. say a prayer right now to hope everybody is okay. it's hard. if anybody can do a helicopter. >> nor gren's father said he landed april 25th his son sent his mother flowers from nepal on mother's day. still oncome deadly train crash and cold reality it could have been prevented with a safety feature that will soon become mandatory. we'll step inside a simulator to show you next.
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leech. in philadelphia investigators trying to determine whether the deadly amtrak crash caused by human error, mechanical problems or both. regardless safety officials say an automated system could have been prevented the crash. here is what ntsb official told us this morning. >> well we at ntsb have long advocated and called for positive train control and positive train control, which is required by law to be implemented by the end of this year. positive train control is
designed to prevent the very type of an accident we're dealing with here. >> so what exactly is positive train control? cnn's takes us inside a train simulator to find out. >> the engineer still operates the train. what pcc does provides an extra layer of protection in order to make sure that the engineer is doing what he or she should do to safely operate the train. as you can see on the monitor here the little white dot represents the train itself. this represents the warning distance when we come up on an area where it actually needs to be taken. the red line represents breaking distance that's properly needed to break the train safely. you see this means we're going up hill. this area is a restricted zone restricted speed which will be coming up on shortly. you'll be able to see in just a moment if we don't take the proper action as the engineer ppc system will take over and safely shut that train down.
>> after that chatsworth crash in 2008 people killed you became very aggressive about implementing this cutting edge technology. >> we did. we've been working hard to implement last four years, $260 million investment in the system. it involves equipment on our trains on the right-of-way communications tower, very elaborate system but one we think is incredibly important and will ultimately save lives. >> you're that engineer coming into a curve seems like a little bit hot. what is it telling you? >> right now my train speed is 62 miles an hour. we're going to momentarily be coming into a zone that's going to ask, give me a warning saying you need to break and reduce your speed. it will give me a certain time limit to do it. now getting the warning saying i have 29 seconds to bring my speed down. if i don't do it bring my speed down to 20 miles an hour the ppc system will take over. what happens is the engineer no
longer controls the train at that point. ppc controls the train and takes it to a complete stop. dispatching center notified and there's been a ppc action occurred. engineer will have to have clearance to restart the train safely. here we are about to hit that restricted speedzone. it's running hot. ppc taking over and there you have it train completely shut down. >> completely shut down all part of the ppc technology preventing crashes by taking engineer error out of the equation. paul ver cammen cnn. more than 31 million people rode amtrak in 2014. that's the busiest stretch of
rail in north america. here is a sobering fact though. amtrak lost a staggering $227 million last year. so there's a question hanging in the air out there, why not just dump amtrak sell it to a private company and call it a day. let's talk about that with congressman and democrat from maryland. good morning, sir. >> good to be here carol. >> why not just dump it get rid of subsidies and sell it to a private company. >> part of the problem with amtrak and cuts last year 250 million this year. amtrak would make money if they are operating on the east coast. amtrak has the whole country and a lot of places rural areas where members of congress don't want to stop amtrak. more importantly what we're really talking about here with respect to this horrible accident and so sad for the families i also want to give a shout out to first responders who did an excellent job once this occurred we have this bill
called sequestration which means everything is cut across the board. this is hurting our country and everything we do. it's not the way to run a country. as an example when you cut everything across the board, you make everything weak. budget priorities sure we have to deal with a spending level. until we deal and repeal this law, our country is weaker. we're competing with russia china, all sorts of issues in military with isis and other areas like that. my proposal i'm calling out to the president of the united states leadership on the senate and house, our leadership senate and house republican democrat to sit down and find a plan and a way to repeal this sequestration because it's not right for our country. we're the best country in the world. we want to stay that way. you can't keep cutting things across the board. you can't not spend money to take care of things such as transportation because you're putting our people at risk. eventually we'll have more incidents like that.
we had it in washington, d.c. armada the system there, now here. >> let me throw this by you. so amtrak is dealing with $52 million in infrastructure problems. >> right. >> would a private company assume that debt and say, sure we'll take amtrak a company has lost $200 million last year. that's not going to happen right? >> i agree. we have to study that and come out with what we think is the the best system. but you can't keep cutting your way out of issues when it comes to infrastructure. by the way, if you fix infrastructure it creates jobs too. i think it's something that has to be on the table. the way i see it in my analysis i'm appropriator and specialize on the intelligence committee and specialize in more national security. when i looked at this issue myself it's more about the facts. there's tremendous demand on the east coast and probably west coast and more rural areas that cost a lot of money to maintain that. we have to look at whether there
will be an issue of restructuring at amtrak. people use it. if you want to deal with the traffic issue you have to have more in the area of rail. people need to have confidence in rail when they pay their ticket north of boston i use it occasionally when you get on and pay your money, you want to make sure you're safe. >> absolutely. >> i know national transportation safety board is looking at this. it appears as if it's probably pilot error -- pilot error, the engineer's error. however, you heard the testimony. you started your program by saying there's technology out there that should be implemented that they can't implement to slow these trains down on a curve prmp i want to ask you specifically about that. positive train control. supposedly that system was supposed to be in every single amtrak train this year but that's not likely to happen because funding keeps getting cut. it's a very expensive system. >> that is the issue of sequestration. but budgeting is about picking
your priorities. transportation is a priority. getting people to and from work or wherever they are going to go. we have to make that a priority. we have to deal with spending no question. it's about picking what our priorities are. our priorities helping children education. we have to have a national security system that protects our citizens. we have to make sure we protect our streets. we just had a terrible incident in baltimore. we have to deal with that issue top to bottom dealing with kids as they start out growing up in conditions like that so we don't have these types of unrest in our different urban areas. that's priority. yes, go ahead. >> here is how it sort of looks. having problems with the post office too, but that's not being fixed. it's just kind of lingering out there. that seems like what's been happening with amtrak for years and years. it's just a linger until like maybe it will disappear. i don't know. why can't lawmakers sit down and work this out? >> a lot of us have been trying. unfortunately there hasn't been a lot of cooperation in the last
couple terms. hopefully that will get better. again, i want to get back to the issue of budget. i used to be a county executive where we had over 800,000 people. i did a budget every year. we couldn't have everything they wanted but you pick your priorities. transportation clearly a priority. you talk about the post office people have relied on that years ago, years ago. now we have to make that a priority and we have to oversee it and manage it. that's part of what a job is mayor, county executive, president, governors, that's what they do. it's a matter of working things out. resolving issues and pibbing priorities has to be done. that's the way our government has run for years. right now unfortunately the climate in washington isn't that way. maybe this negative incident that just occurred will make sure people come together and work these issues out. >> we'll see. congressman dutch ruppersberger, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. when you set out to find new roads,
the u.s. is considering sending warships and surveillance to china. the reason? a buildup of chinese military assets in the south china sea. keep an eye on what one u.s. commander calls the great wall of sand. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto in washington following this story for us. what is the great wall of sand? >> well china is basically building islands, 2,000 acres of islands hundreds of miles off its coast. this is the south china sea. if you look at the map, it's much closer to the coast of vietnam, malaysia philippines. philippines is an ally of the u.s. with a defense treaty. the concern of the u.s. international waters important not just for trade but also for free passage of the seventh fleet of the u.s. navy that has been there for decades and a key
tool for projecting u.s. power in asia. the reason now, these islands have been under dispute for years and years. the u.s. is concerned about it. they are getting extremely concerned now because they are worrying china is militarizing islands its manufacturing. you saw in photos this one here building an airstrip where you have fighter planes take off and land putting in radar installations that will track you as ships. that from the u.s. perspective is too far. >> they are actually building their own islands at sea and facilities on top of them even though these are international waters right? >> keep in mind they were coral reeves that might be under water 24 hours a day, a couple phi feet apolo the surface which they dumped a lot of concrete on to make them physical islands which china is building themselves. russia for instance isn't a great comparison but building islands close to the
mediterranean, close to international allies key to trade but also for defense. that's just really a step too far for the u.s. now you have on the table, carol, the u.s. considering really severe options here. you have the possibility of flying surveillance flights over these islands which china will not like the idea of sailing u.s. navy warships within a few miles of these islands to demonstrate the u.s. considers these international waters. they are really concerned about the president here. i'll tell you, southeast asian countries, vietnam, philippines, close u.s. ally they are very scared about this. the u.s. considering taking a real step here. i'll tell you we've got to know china will not like the steps that the u.s. is talking about here. surveillance flights, navy ships. they have already expressed that. u.s. chinese am to the u.s. saying that very publicly. u.s. not backing off. this is a real potential for a real standoff. >> wow. jim sciutto, many thanks to you, i appreciate it.
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