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who is right next door in "the situation room." happening now -- no memory. the attorney for the amtrak engineer says his client can't even recall the deadly train crash. we're digging into what happened leading up to the rail disaster. rising death toll. another body is found in the wreckage as amtrak starts removing the smashed railcars and working on restoring service to a critical transportation corridor used by millions. masters voice, following rumors of his death, the leader of isis finally speaking out, calling for new recruits to join the terror group, and wage holy war. and losing his grip? north korea's kim jong-un ruling with an iron fist. after a series of executions experts now wonder if his regime is spiraling out of control. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."
we're following multiple breaking stories. president obama is holding a rare live news conference from the presidential retreat at camp david, maryland where he's been meeting all day with officials of the gulf states. the arab gulf states to discuss security. the iran nuclear deal and the war on isis. standing by for a national transportation safety board news conference on the amtrak train redetailment in philadelphia. that takes place this hour. the death toll continues to climb, and learning new information about the engineer who's alive. his attorney says he doesn't remember the wreck. our correspondents and experts are all standing by to bring you the latest on all of these stories that are breaking right now. including a new drone scare over at the white house. and the first message in months from the leader of isis. let's beginning our coverage this hour with our brian todd new details about the amtrak
wreck. he joins us from the scene in philadelphia. brian? >> reporter: wolf another horrible discovery today. another body pulled out of the wreckage a few hours ago, bringing the death toll in this derailment to eight and tonight we have learned new information about the engineer's actions that evening, and about his background. for the first time the engineer's side of the story. what happened when this train derailed at more than 100 miles an hour approach aring a curve limited to 50. >> he remembers coming into the curve. he remembers attempting to reduce speed. he does not remember pulling the emergency brake. we know it was in fact deployed. the last thing he recalls is coming to looking for his bag. getting his cell phone, turning it on and calling 911. >> reporter: his attorney tells abc news the engineer 32-year-old brandon bostian, is distraught over the accident
but has incomplete memory because of the concussion suffered. he also needed 15 staples in his head and stitching in his leg. bostian told police everything he knows, his attorney said but philadelphia's mayor gave a different account. >> i believe it was a pretty short interview, in which he apparently indicated that he did not want to be interviewed. >> reporter: one former locomotive engineer tells cnn, that would not be surprising. >> we are told by union representatives by the company, whatever don't speak to anyone. you're not required to speak to anyone. so i'm sure he took full advantage of that and probably knows in the back of his mind it's falling on his shoulders. >> reporter: ntsb investigators say they have not yet spoken to bostian and his account will be crucial to their understanding of the causes of the crash along with a study of the tracks the signals and the wrack 'eckage. >> this train was going over double the speed for this area.
something we're interested in trying to understand, why was the train going that fast? >> reporter: soon after graduating college in 2006 bostian worked as a conductor for several years, according to his linkedin profile, began working for amtrak as an engineer in 2010. cnn is told he spent about a year working as an amtrak contractor for caltrain in california. his neighbor in new york spoke to cnn. >> he liked it. he was happy. was happy with his job. >> reporter: amtrak's ceo says positive train control, can automatically slow or stop a train, will be installed in washington by the end of the year as mandated by congress. democrats say amtrak needs funding help but republicans say this train cash is not about budgeting. >> they started this yesterday. it's all about funding. all about funding. well obviously it's not about funding. the train was going twice the speed limit. >> reporter: now here at the crash site some of the derailed
trains have been removed, and we're told that the work on rebuilding parts of this track has now begun, wolf. >> brian, what are you learning about when the amtrak train's service will be resumed to so many millions of people in this heavily traveled corridor between washington philadelphia and new york, boston? >> reporter: some of the trains, wolf from philadelphia to points south are already running, but we're told by amtrak's ceo that the heavily trafficked corridor between philadelphia and new york, the train service in that section of the track, will not resume until early next week. >> brian todd on the scene in philadelphia. thank you. cnn's investigation team uncovered more details about the train's engineer. our senior investigative correspondent drew giffin joins us. also in philadelphia. what are you learning, drew? >> reporter: it was in his dream job, brandon bostian, apparently obsessed about trains way back in high school when he wrote for
the local newspaper in tennessee and also his high school newspaper about transportation issues. one person said this was his dream job, to be an engineer. we talked wolf today in an interview with a longtime flagman on brandon bostian's crew pap guy who took this route from new york down to washington and back hundreds of times, he says. he called him a great engineer. very safety conscious. never seen him drinking texting, sleeping. no problems whatsoever but also this wolf. brandon bostian would have known every inch of this track, including the speed limit along every inch of this track, and he says it's just inconceivable that bostian would have been going 106 miles per hour on the track behind me which is regulated for 50 miles an hour. he's telling everybody to caution, go slow a judgment there must be some explanation, as we all know -- bostian is not talking yet. wolf? >> he's got lawyers, obviously.
that's his right if he wants to remain silent. thanks very much drew for that. the death toll in the amtrak derailment rose to eight today. at last report at least six of the 200 injured victims of the train wreck were still listed in critical condition. cnn is also out the trauma center treating so many survivors of the wreck. what's the latest over there, sunland? >> reporter: wolf two of the patient whose have been in critical condition, now down graded leaving six passengers left in critical condition, mostly suffering according to the hospital from chest wounds broken ribs and also punctured lungs among those patients. city-wide, there are 30 passengers that remain hospitalized this evening, and doctor cushing, the medical direct earn here at temple university hospital does not believe many of the patients have a real understanding of what sort of thing they went through on tuesday night.
>> i would ask people those that were awake, what happened to you, and they said oh somebody fell on them. not sort of falling on them. people hurled violently against each other and luggage flying around. some injuries were people thrown against seats and the sides of the train compartments when it flipped over. >> reporter: and as some passengers start the recovery we're hearing the confirmation of lives lost. we have confirmed eight people have died. seven of those have been identified including in the last few minutes italian national giuseppe pur ez visiting on business a 44-year-old from new york and a 45-year-old gildersleeve from bought nor, maryland. his body wolf found at the crash site earlier today by cadaver dogs. wolf? >> what are they saying at the trauma center about the
passenger still listed in critical condition? anymore description of what they're going through, how bad it is? >> reporter: well the doctor here seems confident, wolf that these patients in critical condition will make a recovery. he says most of the injuries that are preventing them from being down. graded are many fractured ribs. many punctured lungs. and a he said it's important to keep them in critical care for the time being, but he does assure us he believes that these patients will make a full recovery. he indicated that he did not think there would likely be a death toll pickup. >> thank you very much in philadelphia for us. much more coming up on the disaster in philadelphia including that live news conference we're waiting to hear from the lead investigator from the ntsb the national transportation safety board. that's coming up. but there's other news breaking now. i want to get to that right away. he was rumored to be wounded in an air strike back in march, but the isis leader abu baghdadi
has resurfaced. heard in a new audio message calling on muslims to join his terror group and take up arms. that comes amid claims that al bag daddieal -- al baghdadi's second in command was killed in an air strike. >> reporter: no reason to doubt it's the voice of the isis leader. it temperaturing you he's alive, and two, at least not injured or incapacitated enough he couldn't make a new threat and the fact is u.s. officials have always doubted he was seriously wounded in the strike in february, but in addition to that talk about the threat he makes in this because in this audio statement he's calling on muslims all over the world, including here in the u.s. to carry out attacks where they can. he says there is no excuse for any muslim capable of carrying a weapon allah commanded him and
made fighting oh liger to.obligatory. and lone attacks here in the u.s. people inspired by al baghdadi isis and other groups to take up arms themselves and carry out attacks for instance like the shooting in texas a couple weeks ago. >> what's the latest jim, year hearing about reports out there. we're getting conflicting information that the number two guy in isis may have been hit in an air strike? >> reporter: right. comes from iraqi officials saying in a coalition air strike that al afri number two, baghdadi's number two in isis pap long history going back to the group when it was al qaeda in iraq under al zahr erer zarkawi. they've seen no evidence he's dead. remember a $7 million price tag on his head and remember the
u.s. is much slower and more painstaking in making determinations if someone's been killed in a strike. the u.s. has not made that determination yet. >> jim sciutto reporting for us. thanks. much more on this kurmcoming up and we're standing by for an ntsb news conference from philadelphia the national transportation safety board. robert sumwalt, the lead investigator is about to brief all of us. you see the microphones, on the very latest information. live coverage of that. also we're standing by to hear from president obama. he's holding a rare summit meeting with gulf arab leaders at camp david outside in maryland. we'll have live coverage of the president's press xrchs asconference as well. lots of news happening today. we'll be right back. (dog) mmmmm. beneful, look at that,
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we're continuing to await today's briefing from the national transportation 15i689y board on the amtrak investigation into that deadly train crash in philadelphia. there you see the microphones, robert sumwalt, lead investigator from the ntsb getting ready to brief all of us on the latest information, what happened is the engineer cooperating, not cooperating, providing information. we're standing by for that news conference. once it starts we'll have live coverage. we're also standing by to hear from president obama. he's in camp david, maryland meeting with leaders from six gulf arab states pap. a rare event at camp david. the president getting ready to
hold a news conference allowing live coveragekovcoverage from camp david. live coverage of that as well. also we're following another breaking story right now. the head of isis resurfacing calling for recruits to attack worldwide wherever they may be. let's discuss this with adam kinsinger, who served in iraq and afghanistan, in the u.s. air force. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. first of all, what do you make of this latest development? abu back rel baghdadi calling rekreets to recruits to go out and cause terror attacks? >> it's unfortunate. i would like to see him not alive anymore. his days are numbered. there's a target on him and his days are very numbered.
again, i think it's very important right now that we inflict serious damage on isis. not just to kill al baghdadi. that's important, also sending a message to the people here looking at videos of isis trying to figure out, being inspired i don't think people join isis because they want to be martyrs. i think they join because they're drawn in. we need to show it's very likely you're going to become a martyr. i think we make recruitment, it would make it that much more difficult. >> sort of confirms i think it does confirm he's alive. obviously they've confirmed it is his voice, because there were reports over these past several weeks he may have been killed. so clearly he's alive. what about the number two? because there are conflicting reports on the number two isis leader dead or alive. do you know? >> i don't know. but i can tell you again, i think my theory and feeling is number one and number two will be dead at some point in the future. i guarantee you they have a target on them and we're doing our best. i think we need to be doing more. we've talked about that.
we're doing our best in the region to find and destroy these people. remember with zarqawi. a lot of concern in he was killed would become a martyr and in essence inspire a whole new generation of jihadists. that didn't happen. his movement sizzled and we had the surge and destruction of aqi. that's going to happen when we finally get to al baghdadi and the number two. >> stand by congressman. another story is developing right now. leaders of those gulf arab states they've been voicing deep concerns about iran top president obama. they've all been meeting at camp david. almost on cue, though five iranian boats believed to be belong to the iranian revolutionary guard, they fired shots across the bow of a cargo vessel in the gulf. let's get details. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is standing by. what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf, high draumma in the persian gulf nap meeting
also was happening at that time. iranian gun. boats approached a single flagged oil tanker trying to make its way out of the persian gulf fired shots at the bow and then to the rear of the ship trying to disable it by all accounts. there was thought of a commercial dispute between the ship and iranian authorities. but listen to this -- they fired multiple iranian ships fired shots at this oil tanker and damaged it. the oil tanker trying to get away made a hard turn to go into the territorial waters of the united arab emirates a key u.s. ally in the region. the iranians chased it into those territorial waters. finally the emiratis uae sent their own coast guard boats out to try and offer protection. the u.s. monitored the whole incident from a distance. raising the temperature again, in the gulf. whether there was a commercial dispute or not, this is now the
third incident very serious, and the u.s. making the point behind the scenes they don't want iran to settle disputes at the point of a gun on the high seas. wolf? >> barbara, disturbing information. i want to get the congressman's reaction to this latest reaction. as barbara points out, it happens just as the president is wrapping up a so-called summit at camp david with these persian gulf leaders. these arab state leaders, who have come four deputies two of the main leaders of those countries, six arab states in the persian gulf. they're very worried about iran right now. their nuclear program there, if they get a lot of money from the eased up sanctions, they're really worried about that. what do you make of what's going on? >> look it's obviously a show of force by the iranians even if it is a commercial dispute they claim, there's probably commercial disputes all the time. it doesn't mean you send gunboats out and shoot a ship disable it and do that. it's reminiscent of the water wars we had in the '80s, and i
think it's important that the united states and its arab allies have a strong presence in the gulf and make it clear we're going to -- this is the purpose of the united states navy it's to protect the legitimate commercial shipping routes of interstate commerce. if there's ever a time for the navy and there are major times for the navy this is especially it. something to keep in mind too, when we talk about sequestering our military the navy being cut. this is very important and it's very important that the united states show that we are going to stand with our arab partners and stand for free enterprise in the region. >> as you know the saudis especially are very worried about this proposed iran nuclear deal. no deal yet, but very worried about it and there's now some suggestions, ooo-eya i heard it from the saudi foreign minister in "the situation room" with me the other day, they're not r50u8ules out the possibility if they don't like what iran is doing they may develop their own nuclear program. that proliferation issue is a
serious matter of concern. what's your analysis? >> it's absolutely going to happen. an arms race in the middle east. the last place we want a lot of nuclear armed countries. think about it. 9/11, wolf was about 15 14 years ago. the duration of this deal at the president's account is 15 years. if is actually is 100 percent brs of what he says. from-in-law 9/11 to today, nuclear weapons at that point. not that far away in international politics terms and think of all the flood of money, lastly coming into iran they were use to prop up ba char al assad assad -- bashar al assad, and this is what they're invested limited resources in anyway with all the sanctions. imagine when they become flush with money? i think saudi arabia realizes this isn't just a bit of a dispute and disagreement between the u.s. and saudi arabia and its allies. they see this as an existential threat to their country and why
they boycotted the summit i think. >> thanks for joining us congressman. standing by to hear from president obama. a rare live news conference from camp david. that's coming up. also in philadelphia there's the microphones in philadelphia. standing by for a news conference from the national transportation safety board on that amtrak wreck investigation. much more, right after this.
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investigation. we'll get the latest from brian todd in philadelphia who is joining us now. what's going on, brian? >> reporter: well wolf you know the focus now is going to be on what the engineer did that evening, what he knew going into this accident what happened right afterward. those details are still yet to be at least heard by us in the media. this ntsb news srchs comeconference is crucial to finding out some of that information. what the engineer's attorney told abc news the engineer brandon bostian does not recall the crash itself. he recalls going um top to the curb, putting on his brakes and i believe he said he does not recall putting on the emergency brake saying he passed out after the accident and when he came to he got to his cell found his cell phone and called 911. so again, what the engineer knew what his actions were in those moments leading up to the
crash are really the key gaps that need to be filled in here wolf. hopefully we'll get answers from the ntsb in a few moments. we have learned a little bit about the background of brandon bostian, how he spent at least five years as an engineer with amtrak worked as a contractor with amtrak about a year on the west coast during that period. and we know he was a conductor for some years before that wolf. >> brian, stand by. we'll gelt to you as we await the start of this news conference bringing in peter goelz, former director of the national transportation safety board, led numerous safety investigations and also with us former transportation secretary during the obama administration ray la hood and cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. let's take a closer look at some new surveillance video we have of the crash. peter goelz, as we see this video and we'll show it to viewers momentmomentarily, your reaction to the latest information we're getting now on
potentially what caused this horrific accident. peter? >> yes, indeed. >> yeah. you see the surveillance video. we're showing viewers now and all of a sudden you see that. it's pretty horrendous obviously. we know there are 243 people onboard. eight confirmed dead. plenty of people in the hospital. some of them remain in critical condition. i mean it's -- hard to believe this kind of stuff happens, but it was either a mechanical problem, a human error or a combination of both. >> well i think you're right, wolf. the video will confirm the speed of the train, as the earlier video did. they'll lock in the speed. confirm what was on the box. then they're going to look at the human factor. back through this guy's record with a fine-tooth comb.
the last three days what was he doing? did he have enough jest any indrest? indication of fatigue? look at his entire record in terms of training. problemance with over-speed situations before and listen to him and hopefully he will speak to them and tell them what -- >> i want to ask ray la hood former transportation secretary, what are you looking for, listening for, right now what do you hope to learn maybe as early as this news conference, mr. secretary, that's about to begin? >> wolf i think there's really two things that we all need to look at. number one what is -- what is the conductor going to say during his interview? what is he really going to disclose about what he knew and what happened? and then i think secondly the results of the black box, and what the black box disclosed. i think once those two pieces of
information can be put together we'll have a much clearer picture of what was going through the mind of the fella driving the train and what was actually happening mechanically and so forth and the timing and sequencing of that. those two things i think will give us a much clearer picture. >> jeffrey, the engineer in this particular case his lawyer says he has no recollection of the crash, and there's conflicting indications whether or not he's willing to cooperate, not cooperate. the mayor of philadelphia michael nutter, says he has every right to remain silent if he wants to. what's your analysis from the legal perspective what's happening here? without his cooperation, there's always going to be some murkiness, i should say? >> every criminal defense lawyer in the world would tell this -- this engineer to say nothing. he is in clearly very serious jeopardy of being prosecuted. i mean this is a horrendous accident. at least on the surface you have
someone who was going way -- a train going way too fast and for the foreseeable future it would seem to me for better or worse, not saying it's a good thing, in terms of how criminal defense lawyers think, he will say nothing. he could make pass some information along through his attorney, which he appears to have done but in terms of making statements to authorities, i don't think that's going to happen for quite some time if it happens at all. >> what happens if he doesn't cooperate, peter goelz? always a question mark there? >> there will be and it happens, but it's rare in ntsb where key people get lawyered up and don't speak. the investigation goes on and the ntsb will reach its probable cause decision without his input. there hasn't been criminal prosecution of the engineer from the new york accident, and there hasn't been any threat of
criminal prosecution yet, but it always in the background. >> why don't you weigh in ray la hood. say he remains silent the ntsb concludes he was going at 106 miles an hour and shouldn't have gone more than 50 miles an hour. does he potentially face criminal charges? >> you know wolf, i'm flot anot a lawyer and let jeffrey answer that question but i do think the ntsb is the most professional organization in our government when it comes to examining these matters, investigating them. they will have as thorough a report with black box results, with their own team on the ground looking at the tracks and looking at the cars and so forth, and so you know obviously we want to hear from the engineer but i think the ntsb is so thorough and so precise in what they do, they'll
put together the kind of report in a will give everybody a pretty clear understanding of what happened and why it happened. that's my feeling. >> i certainly agree with you on that. everyone stand by. we're going to take a quick break. we're waiting for the start of this news conference. the ntsb, lead investigateor robert sumwalt will walk up to the microphones, make a statement, answer reporters' questions. we'll get the very latest on what happened. we're also standing by for a very different news conference from camp david, maryland. the president of the united states. there she in the mountains outside maryland. the president meeting with representatives from six gulf arab states. there's jim acosta. we'll bring him in on the conversation. much more when we come back.
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we're told we're moments away from today's national transportation safety board update. the deadly amtrak train derailment. the investigation clearly under way right now. once again joining us peter goelz, former managing director of the national transportation safety board, led numerous safety investigations and also joining us former transportation secretary during the obama administration, the former u.s. congressman ray la hood and our cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. this whole notion of what's called positive train control. peter goelz, if that had been in place in this area in philadelphia eight people would still be alive right now. explain that toll our viewers. >> that's correct, wolf. i mean this is a system that is
gps and radio control, that monitors the progress of the train and compares it to a, to the track ahead, and if it's going too fast it will automatically slow the train down. if there's a train in front of it it will stop the train and it's a system that the ntsb has recommended adoption for many years. >> what's been taking so long mr. secretary? because you support it. everyone now says it should be in place noth only in the northeast corridor but all over the united states. what's taking so long to get the job done? >> first of all, wolf it is mandated by congress. it is a system that's proven that it's a great safety system. it not only slows trains down but it actually stops them, if they need to be stopped. and it would have prevented this
terrible accident had it been in place. the reason that it's not in place, although joe boardman the head of amtrak for the whole country, has said that it will be in place on the northeast corridor by the end of 2015. so within the next several months it will be complete on the northeast corridor includingen in philadelphia. it's a very expensive system wolf and it's very costly. not only just to put it in place, but to maintain it. we're talking millions and billions of dollars, and we're talking millions of dollars to maintain it, and the fact is that 40% of the money for amtrak comes from the federal government. you saw what happened yesterday in the house of representatives, where rather than increasing the funding for amtrak after this terrible accident they decreased the funding for
amtrak which the political optic of that i think, is pretty stark in terms of sending a message that at least that particular committee didn't see the opportunity to really step up but it is a costly system but joe boardman the head of amtrak has indicated on the northeast corridor not the entire country, by 2015 the system will be in place. >> as you know jeffrey, correct me if i'm wrong, there are restrictions limits on how much money these families these eight dead people from this train will be able to collect right now. walk us through what's going on. >> well this can get very complicated, and there is room in -- there is room for some negotiation and courts can sometimes override these limits but it is true that amtrak is a government entity and accidents
on government -- on -- on a government train. there are sometimes tort limits. limits on tort awards but if there is a judge finds intentional misconduct you know there is some room for negotiation. there is potential room for additional awards and the one thing we can be certain of is that there will be many many lawsuits coming out of this. not just from the families of the people who died but, of course all of those people who have been injured as well. >> should there be jeffrey, from a legal perspective, any sense of -- any expectation of privacy in that locomotive in that cabin, where these engineers are driving these trains? >> well no. not really. i don't think there is any sort of expectation of privacy, i mean -- >> i raise the question because they've resisted having cameras reported what they're doing
inside showing them inside. there are cameras showing what's going in front of the train, but no cameras allowed inside? >> just think about the issue of cell phones. of you know -- there was a horrible train accident in spain where it appeared to have been caused, because the -- the engineer was texting. that is something that is a huge threat to public safety. so you know i just think that -- that is going to be a negotiation. that is a negotiation point between the union and the -- and amtrak, but i think especially after this accident that's not going to be something that's -- that -- that the union will be able to resist. >> i want you all to stand by. once again, we're waiting for this ntsb news conference. an update on that. another very important story we're following. very far away. president obama has been meeting with arab allies who are deeply worried about the u.s.-led
effort to reach some sort of nuclear deal with iran. the gulf states fear that their own security could be shortchanged by any such deal. go to our senior white house correspondent jim acosta up at camp david, maryland when the president is getting ready to hold a news conference. what's the latest there, jim? >> reporter: wolf just before this news conference got started, the president made brief remarks. offering assurances to the leaders gathered here for the summit at camp david saying the united states will come to the external attack no mystery, he was talking about iran. it's not quite the picture the president wanted at this soared syd summit with gulf state leaders at camp david. the saudi king is not here and the king of bahrain opted instead to fly to britain for the royal windsor horse show. ♪ the missing monarchs are raising
doubts over how much the president can accomplish on a range of crucial issues from gulf state worries over the iran nuclear talks -- to tehran's meddling in the crisis in yemen. to the battle against isis -- and the civil war in syria. but the president insists this is a summit with substance. >> the united states will stand by our gcc partners. >> reporter: in the president's entourage, defense secretary ash carter and the energy secretary steeped in dames from the iran nuclear talks but the gulf states want more than talk. they want to contain iran's regional ambitions with a nato-like defense pact with the u.s. and more weapons. the white house is proposing a common missile defense system for the gulf and only security assurances. no nato pact, plus more military sales. >> the gulf has very unrealistic expectations about the united states curtailing iranian influence in syria, iraq so
part of this is inflated expectations on their part. >> reporter: the administration is downplaying fears the gulf states will respond by launching a new nuclear ams race with we've never had any indication from any of these countries that they are intending to pursue the type of domestic nuclear program that would raise concerns. we would say to these countries we don't want to see any type of arms race in the region. >> reporter: instead the white house wants the gulf states on board with the iran nuclear deal to help seal what would be a legacy-defining moment. >> if he can bring this agreement together that will win the spore of the congress and the gulf states that would be a very substantial agreement. right now it's still uphill. >> now, within the last hour the white house released a statement from both the u.s. and these gulf state leaders, very interesting to note wolf in that statement it talks about
the iran nuclear deal that is currently being worked on in switzerland, and will be worked on until that deadline of june 30th. we should point out, though in that statement, it says they gulf state countries are supportive of the efforts to reach a deal that had constrain iran's nuclear program, not the deal itself. that is a fine point that i think the president may be asked about in a few moments, wolf. >> i suspect he will be. it's rare to have a news conference from camp david in maryland. how long have you been a report jim accostosta where you've had a news conference at camp david. >> reporter: this is the first one i'm aware of certainly while this president has been in office. that's why you heard the saudi foreign minister and he says he thinks there was an historic summit even though there were folks questions whether or not -- he had only two of the six gulf state leaders represented by actual monarchs.
so -- but i think the agenda here was so critical to the security of this region it elevates this to at least something like a summit because they were talking about issues like iran's nuclear program, baurp -- let's mention, the internal threats that exist inside each of these gulf state countries, a potential lone wolf potential isis-style for attacks. the president said earlier to "new york times" this year that that poses as much of a threat to these countries as isis and iran themselves. and so you know i think it's interesting to see what the president will be talking about here in a few moments. he's got a lot to say to these gulf state leaders. they're not walking away with any hard and fast security pacts, you know that they would be comfortable with. i think the tall we'll hear from the president will be interesting to listen to. >> here's the president.
>> good evening. before i get to what we discussed here today with our gulf partners i want to again express my deepest condolences to the families of those who died in tuesday's terrible train derailment outside of philadelphia. i want to express my gratitude for the first responders who raced to save lives, and for the many passengers who, despite their own injuries made heroic efforts to get fellow passengers to safety. you know for a lot of people on that train, it was a routine journey, a commute, a business trip for the amtrak employees who were badly hurt it was their office the place of doing business. that somehow majors it all the more tragic. until we know for certain what caused this tragedy, i just want to reiterate what i have already said that we are a growing country with a growing economic. we need to invest in the infra infrastructure that keeps us that way, and not just when something happens like a bridge collapse or a train derailment
but all the time. that's what great nations do. so i offer my prayers for those who grieve a speedy recovery for the many who are injured, as they work to recover. and we will cooperate obviously at every level of government to make sure that we get answers in terms of precisely what happened. now, to the work that brought us to camp david. for the past 70 years, the united states has maintained a core national security interest in the security and the stability of the middle east generally and the gulf region specifically. it's a fundamental tenet of american foreign policy upheld by generations of american service members and reaffirmed by every u.s. president, including me. since i took office we have intensified our security cooperation with our gulf cooperation council partners -- saudi arabia the united arab emirates kuwait ayman, qatar and bahrain.
at a time of extraordinary is challenges including conflicts that have -- we cooperate extensively counters terrorist groups like al qaeda and notice isil opposing the assad regime against the syrian people, supporting the legitimate government of yemen and opposing iran's destabilizing accesses across the middle east. i invited our gcc partners here today to deepen our cooperation and to work together to resolve conflicts across the region. i want to thank each of the leaders and delegations who attended. we approached our discussions in the spirit of mutual respect. we agree the security relationship between the united states and our gcc partners will remain a cornerstone of regional stable and our relationship is a twoway street. we all have responsibilities. here at camp david, we decided to expand our partnership in several important and concrete
ways. first, i am reaffirming our ironclad commitment to the security of our gulf partners. as we have declared in our joint statement, the united states is prepared to work jointly with the gcc states to deter and confront any if integrity that is inconsistent with the u.n. charter. in the event of such aggression or the threat of such aggression the united states stands ready to work with our gcc partners to urgently determine what actions may be appropriate, using the means at our collective disposal including the potential use of military force for the defense of our gcc partners. %-pleteundercore, the united states keeps our commitments. second, and to back up our words with deeds, we will increase our already extensive security cooperation. we'll expand our military exercises and assistance to meet the full range of threats, in particular terrorism. this means more training and
cooperation between our special operations forces sharing more information and stronger border security to prevent the flow of foreign fighters and increased enforcement to prevent terrorist financing. we'll step up our efforts to counter violent extremism, including online and broad you are on expansion on maritime security and work to harden critical infrastructure. third we will help our partners improve their own capacity to defend themselves. the united states will streamline and expedite the transfer of critical defense capabilities to our gcc partners. we will work together to develop an integrated defense capability against ballistic missiles including an early warning system. and we will work toward the development of rapid response capabilities to undertake mission such as counterterrorism and peacekeeping. fourth, we pledge to work together to try to resolve armed conflicts in the region and we have articulated core principles to guide our efforts.
respect for state sovereignty, recognition that these conflicts can only be resolved politically, and acknowledgement of the importance of inclusive governance and the need to respect minorities and protect human rights. therefore, with respect to syria we committed to strengthening the moderate opposition to oppose all violent extremist groups and intensify efforts to achieve a transition toward an inclusive government without bashar al assad. and in form reforms to ensure that the rights of all iraqis are fully welcomed. we welcomed the troops -- and we call on all parties. we will step up our collective efforts to help form a national
and we reiterate the urgent need for a two-state solution. fifth, we spent considerable time discussing iran. i updated our gulf partners on the negotiations towards a comprehensive deal to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. i'm pleased here at camp david we agree that a comprehensive verifiable solution that fully addresses the regional and international concerns about iran's nuclear program is in the security interests of the international community, including our gcc partners. of course whether we is reach a nuclear deal or not with iran we're still going to face a range of threats across the region including the destabilizing activities as well as the threat from terrorist groups. we'll work together to address these threats and much of thens hansed security cooperation i've
outlined will allow us to do precisely that. i want to be very clear, the purpose of security cooperation is not to perpetuate any long-term confrontation with iran or even to marginalize iran. none of our nations have an interested in an open conflict with iran. we welcome iran that plays a responsible role in the region one in a takes concrete steps to develop trust and resolve differences be peaceful means and abides by international rules and norms. as i have said before in the tensions in the regions, in resolving the devastating conflicts will require a broader dialogue one that includes iran and its gcc neighbors. so a key purpose of bolstering the capacity of our gcc partners is to ensure that our partners can deal with iran politically, diplomatically from a position of confidence and strength. finally, while the summit was focused on security cooperation, events in the middle east since
the beginning the arab spring are a reminder that true and lasting security includes governance that serves all citizens and respects universal human rights. in the middle east the united states will continue to speak out on behalf of inclusive governance representative institutions strong civil societies and human rights and we will work to expand the educational and economic opportunities that allow people especially young people to fulfill their potential. so again, i want to thank all of our gcc partners for making this summit a success. i believe that the camp david commitments i have described today can mark the beginning of a new era of cooperation between our countries, a closer stronger partnership that advances our mutual security for decades to come. with that i will take some questions, and i will start with julie pace and promised her in the oval office why call on her. >> you mentioned the broad support from the gcc for
stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. did you get any specific commitments for the framework you reached a few months ago, and at least a commitment to not publicly oppose a deal if you're able to reach that and on the gulf's concerns how can you really assure them that iran would not continue that activity if they had an influx of money from sanctions relief when they're already accused of doing so now with a weaker economy? >> we didn't have a a document that he -- will you approve of this nuclear framework, because the deal is not completed. in the same way i wouldn't ask the united states senate or the american people to sign off on something before they've actually seen the details of it and given that i'm not going to
sign off on any deal until i have seen the details of it i wouldn't expect them to either. what i did hear from our gcc partners was their agreement that, if we can get a comprehensive comprehensive, verifiable deal that cuts off the pathways to a nuclear weapon that that would be in the interests of their and the regions, so the question is recall prepared to do what's required for the international community to feel confidence that in fact it's not develop ago nuclear weapon and have we set up the kinds of regiming that allow such confidence to be maintained not just next year or five years from now, but out into the future. so what we did was we had secretary kerry, secretary ernie
monis, who obviously was involved in the negotiations as well to walk through why it was we are confidence that if the framework agreement that we've arrived at were to be solidified that in fact we could verify they did not have a nuclear weapon. that was important to them, and i think gave them additional confidence. there was a concern, a concern that i share that even if we deal effectively with the nuclear issue, that we will still have a problem with some of iran's destabilizing activities. a number of them did express the concern that with additional resources through the reduction in sanctions, that was it possible that iran would siphon off a lot of these resources into more destabilizing activity? secretary jack lew was there to explain firsts of all there
would be no sanctions relief until we should confirm the carrying out of obligation under a nuclear deal. secondly we gave them our best analysis of the enormous needs that iran has internally and the commitment that iran has made to its people in terms of shoring up its economy and improving economic growth and as i pointed out most of the destabilizing activity that iran engages is in low tech/low cost activity. so part of my emphasis to them was that if we are focusing more effectively on the things we need to do to shore up defenses improve intelligence improve the capacity for maritime monitoring of what's taking place in the gulf if we are working in concert to
address, you know the terrorist activity and counters terrorist messages that are coming not just from state sponsors like iran but more broadly from organizations like isil we'll be able to fortify ourselves and deal with many of these challenges much more effectively and can do so from a position of strength and confidence. so it's not to deny the concerns that were there about what happens when sanctions are reduced, but it was to emphasize that what matters more is the things that we can do now to ensure some of the in destabilizing activity is no longer taking place. of course when you look at a place like yemen, the issue there is that the state itself was crumbling, and that if we
can do a better job in places like syria, yemen, libya, in building up functioning political structures then it's less likely that anybody, including iran can exploit some of the divisions that exist there. michael michael? >> thank you, mr. president. on syria one of the reasons we were here is many of the nations in the region were upset that more than two years ago when assad deployed chemical weapons, there weres there was no military response no retaliation on the u.s.'s part. now there's a possibility that assad has once again used chemical weapons. what did you tell these leaders who were disappointed last time? and will you use a military response if it's confirm that he used chemical weapons? against, and if i could ask a domestic question as well sir. this one is about the environment and the drilling that's recently been approved in the arctic.
this nation the united states is now a net exporter for the first time in year of fossil fuels, partly due to fracking something that environmentalists have objected to something that you regard as an all of the above energy strategy but the oil company shell has had a very mixed record of drilling in that region. many environmentalists look at this and say is it worth the risk to drill in such an ecosystem. >> first of all, michael, i don't know why you're here but why i'm not is not because of what happened in syria a couple years ago. the reason i'm here is because we have extraordinary challenges not just in syria, but iraq yemen, obviously the development of isil and our interesting in making sure we don't have a nuclear weapon in iran. with respect to syria economy
commutement was to ensure that that would not happen. and in fact we positioned ourself to be the reason we did not is because assad gave up chemical weapons. that's not speculation on our part but confirmed by the organization internationally that is charged with eliminating chemical weapons. that assad is no longer in possession of one of the biggest stockpiles of chemical weapons of any country on earth. those have been eliminated. it is true we have seen reports about the use of chlorine in bottoms that had the effect of
chemical weapons. chlorine itself historically has not been listed as a chemical weapon but when it is used in this fashion, can be considered a prohibited use of that particular chemical. so we're working with the international community to investigate that in fact if we have the kind of confirmation we need we will once again work with the international community and the organization sp charged with monitoring the syrian government and we will reach out to -- to put a stop to it. with respect to the situation in the arctic. i think it's fair to say that i know it instrument me about the risks of offshore drilling giving what happened in the gulf very early in my presidency.
nobody is more mindful of the risks involve. that's why despite the fact that shell had put in an application for exploration in this region several years ago, we delayed it for a very lengthy period of time until they could provide us with the kinds of assurances that we have not seen before taking account of the extraordinary of challenges if in fact it was a leak that far north, and in that kind of environment, which would be much more difficult to deal with than in the gulf. based on those very high standards, shell had to go back to the drawing board, revamp its approach and the experts at this point have concluded that they have met those standards. but keep in mind that my approach when it comes to
fracking drilling u.s. energy production. i believe that we are going to have to transition off of fossil fuels as a planet in order to prevent climate change. i am working internationally to reduce our carbon emissions and to replace over time foss the fuels with clean energies. obviously we start at home with the work we've done to for example, double the use of clean energy but i think et it's important to recognize that would be a transition and when it can be done safely and appropriately, u.s. production of oil and natural gas is important. i would rather us with all the safeguards and standards that we have be producing our oil and gas rather than importing it
which is bad for our people but is also potentially purchased from places that have much lower environmental standards than we do. a. >> thank you, mr. president. i would like to ask you about trade. the senate moved forward on a bill today to approve your trade legislation, and it also moved forward with the proposal to punish countries like china for what they do would you potentially -- would you have to veto that? secondly could you also talk about your relationship with senator warren, do you regret the fact that things have become so personal? secondly -- >> that was the second question wasn't it? so now thirdly is what you're
saying. >> yes, really quickly, you mentioned the issue of a two-state solution with israel. i was wondering if you would give your reaction to what the pope is moving forward with in terms of recognizing the palestinian state. do you think that's a good idea? do you think it's a mistake? do you think it might help or hinder the two-state solution that you mentioned earlier? >> first of all, i want to congratulate the senate on moving forward on providing me the authority to not only strike a smart, progressive growth-promoting trade deal with some of the countries in the asia pacific region and potential europe as well but also to give me the tools to enforce those agreements which haven't always happened in the past. so i want to thank all the senators who voted to provide
that authority, or at least begin the debate on moving that process forward. those who didn't vote for it i want to keep on trying to make the case and provide them the inspection they need to feel confident that despite the fact that there have been genuine problems with trade deals in the past the approach we are taking here i think is the right one. not just for big u.s. businesses but small and medium sized businesses and ultimately the authority for american workers. >> i wouldn't be promoting any agreement that would be profor thing jobs and giving us more of an opportunity to cede ladders of success for the american people. that's my primary focus.
it has been since i came into office. the issue with respect to myself and elizabeth haz never been personal. i think it's fun for the press to see if we can poet around at it when you see two close allies who have a disagreement on a policy issues but there are some of my best friends in the gnat as well as the house, some of my earliest supporters who disagree with me on this. i understand because like me think came up through the ranks, watches plants close, jobs being shipped overseas. like me they have concerns about whether labor agreement or environment agreements are
properly enforced. like me they have concerns about whether in fact tradents up being fair and not just free. and like me they have a deep concerns in terms of increase in equality in allows folks at the very top to do really well but creating stagnation in terms of incomes and wages for middle class families and folks working to get their way into the middle class. so these are folks whose values are completely aligned with mine. i know there was a progressive statement of principles about
what it means to be a progress i have by some of these friends of mine and i noted it it was basically my agenda except for trade. they just comes down to a policy difference and analysis in terms of what we think is best for our people for our constituents. it is my fmpl believe that despite the problems of previous trade deals that we are better off writing high standard rules with strong enforceable provisions on things like child labor or deforestation or wildlife tracting or intellectual property. we are better off writing those rules for what is going to be the largest fastest growing market in the world, and if we don't, china will and other countries will and our businesses will be disadvantaged
and our workers will ultimately suffer. in terms of some of the fears of outsourcing of jobs it is mine believe based on the analysis that at this point if there was a company in the united states that was looking for low-cost -- they had no problems outsourcing it unit the current regime we're seeing some of that happen. that's why i went out to nike. i understand nike has manufacturing shoes with low-cost labor in many of these areas in the asia pacific region. that hurt the american footwear industry in terms of jobs here in the united states but that happened over the course of the last 30 years. for nike to announce bauf new technology they're bringing potential 10,000 jobs back here, because we've gone up the value
that's an opportunity. which is why my argument is what we need to be focusing on to meet the same objectives the shared objectives is the kinds of issue we agree on. strong minimum wage infrastructure -- stronger laws to collect -- and the capability of workers to have a voice. strong enforcement of rules around things like overtime pay, park sure we have paid sick leave make sure we have an honest conversation about our budgets and not slashing investments in the future simply to make sure we are preserving look hops that don't provide any economic benefit.
those are the blocking a trade deal will not, particularly since they're the first once to analogy they're the existing trade rules are a bad deal for u.s. worker. how does hanging on to what's going on now help american workers? it doesn't make sense. i'm all for enforcement i have expressed concerns about how the currency language that's in the bit is drafted, but i've talked to senator schumer and sherrod brown and others about how we can work on language that does not end up having a blow black effect on main tag taining our only monetary policy. i don't remember what your other question was rather than speak
for others i'll just reiterate what i have said previously. i continue to believe that a two-state solution is absolutely vital for 23407b8 people for israeli and palestinians but for the long-term security of israel as a democratic and jewish state. and i know that a government has been formed that contains some folks who don't necessarily believe in that premise but that continues to be my premise. since we're up here at camp david, i think it's important to remind ourselves of the degree to which a very hard peace deal that required incredible vision and courage and tough choices
resulted in what's now been a lasting peace between countries that used to be sworn enemies, and israel is better off for it i think the same would be true if we get to a peace deal -- that prospect seems distant now, but i think it's important for us to always keep in mind what's right and what's possible. last question. scott. >> thank you, mr. president you mentioned at the outset a need to world-class infrastructure. we're coming up on a deadline for the trust fund why isn't this a good time to consider a hike in the federal gas tax, which might i know it's been
about 14 months. how soon might we see those? >> soonened and with respect to transportation, now is the time to get something done. i'm practical in order for us to get a transportation bill done eifert to get cooperation from a republican-controlled congress and so i'm in discussions with the majority and minority lead ner both chambers as well as the relevant committee chairpersons. we want to hear their ideas and find out what's possible. i think that's going to be something that we need to explore, but there is not an area where either side should be looking for political points. this did not used to be a partisan issue.
building roads, bridges, airports sewer lines dams ports, this is how we grow. this is how america became an economic super power, investing in our people infrastructure doing it faster bigger and better than anybody else did. we should be doing the same thing now. the first republican president, a proud native of my home state named mr. lincoln, even in the midst of civil war, was looking at how we join the country together through our railways and our canals we shouldn't be thinking smaller today. we need to be thinking bigger in this global economy. my hope is we have a chance to have a serious discussion and look at all potential revenue
source. what is absolutely true is the highway trust fund has consistently gone smaller and smaller and smaller and inadequate for the needs. what is also true is patchwork approaches of three months or six months at a time don't make any saenzr sense. nobody foresaw that we could actually get a dock fix done and saw the long-term problems in terms of how we were managing medicare payments for doctors. who knows? maybe we might see some intelligent bipartisan outbreaks over the next few months because i think everybody recognizes this is important. thank you very much, everybody. so there he is a rare event. camp david maryland dealing with leader from six arab gulf
states talking about the proposed iran nuclear deal, trying to reassure them that the united states will stand by those arab countries. they are deeply concerned about the prospect of a nuclear iran. let's discuss what we just heard. jim scuitto is our chief national security correspondent in some areas unreassurable, but he covered sweeteners consolations perhaps to allay those fears, for instance fast tracking arm sales. also more military -- special forces training, that sort of thing. not exactly a nato-like agreement, but there was a lot of talk in the statement about
all that to help allay their fears but at the end of the day they'll be -- and you already have the saudis making comments about the possibility of matching iran's nuclear capability to keep up. that's when he was asked about will iran with more money from sanctions relief be giving more freedom, more funding to carry out the destabilizing activities around the region. the president said most of what they do is low tech. but on a day when you had iranian revolutionary guard ships for a fiers fire in international waters, it shows the ability to destabilize things. that will continue to make them very nervous. >> they've told me several representatives, that with the tens of billions that will be
opened up once those sanctions are eased and eventually lifted they're worried what they might do in syria, and other countries, tlunl represented at the summit in camp date. elise, you're speaking to your sources, what are you hearing? >> i think the buff allies have reason to be nervous, but i'm already hearing from some diplomats in the meeting hearing they were very happy, it was a positive meeting, in the lead-up to the summit everyone was concerned there wouldn't be a written agreement, then you saw the backing out of the saudi king and other diplomat it is and the whole snub story line. why this isn't a written pact a nator-like pact or something
that the u.s. has with japan or south korea, that's a very strong statement from president obama. i just want to read a by promises that they will work from the gcc partners to determine what action may be appropriate, including the use of military force. you have the president of the united states coming out and say if you are facing aggression the u.s. will have your back. if that means military force, were concerned about, that's syria, that's yemen, libya. i think what these countries were looking for was a very firm statement of engagement that they have found lacking from this president in recent years, and diplomats tell me no it's not everything they want. is they're hoping the next meeting will be next year in riyadh and we want to building on what we got today, to deepen
the relationship. stand by i want to bring in republican congressman manman chaffetz. i know you returned from your own trip to the region where you met the crown prince there. what's your reaction to what we heard from the president? >> we want the president to be engaged and having dialogue but the problem is when the president talks when what he's going to do in syria, in libya, what he's going to do in yemen, these are all places where we had u.s. ambassadors and we've had to flee our embassy. when you meet with the senior leadership there in saudi arabia as i met with the new crown prince the foreign minister who used to be the ambassador to the united states they're very definitive in that they do not believe the united states has their back. they are mystified as to why we are negotiating with iran when they are there in the arabian cease with agrees proximity
doing things to destabilize the region. if you look at the houthis and the problems we are having there, it clearly has a line back to iran. why negotiate with somebody who is on a daily basis destabilizing the region and making it more different in general. >> >>. >> secret service detained a man today who apparently was trying to fly a drone over the white house fence. have you been briefed on this incident? >> elijah cummings and i did get a briefing from director clancy. you had a secret service agent who witnessed a person who was trying to get a drone up in the air. according to the briefings, they detained him very quickly. the drone landed park police took him into custody. he's being questioned as we speak now. the personal evidently initially said he bought the drone in the last day or two, wanted to take
some aerial photos of the white house, was his excuse but they'll have to explore that further. >> because it does follow a series of security breaches at the white house, as you well the bottom line question, are you confident that the first family is secure over there? >> i do worry about this wolf. in this case a secret service agent or officer, i'm not sure which one it was, dealt with it immediately, but i do think we have ongoing security concerns. we met with the inspector general today and had a hearing, stalked about four very senior people at the secret service from that march 4th incident who, in their best estimations, they were intoxicated, went into a crime scene. there were so many things that went wrong with that. it's really a challenge for director clancy right now to change the culture at the secret service. it's just still a good old boys network. these guys were drinking for five hours and went back to the white house. they've got guns interrupted a
crime scene, lied to people that were there on the ground and yet the secret service has still not taken disciplinary action against these agents. is there, in your sense some sort of way to detect a drone flying over the white house at a low level. is there any way? we know the u.s. using drones in the middle east to go after individuals with hellfire missiles. the worry i'm heard from some personnel is these kinds of incidence, even if he wanted to fly a drone was sort of just being stupid if you will it does give terrorists ideas. >> whatever you shoot is going to come down not only the projectile or the drone or the gyrokoppetter itself. what's happened with the fence jumping, the gyro copter the aura of inevitable that the
police will prevail i'm afraid has dwindled if not disappeared. it gives crazy people and terrorists other ideas. i think you will see them being more aggressive. there are tools in which they can take these down, but the detect itself is very difficult. i worry that the frontline officers and agents who have to make split-second decision what are the rules of engagement. i want them to take a more aggressive stance and take them down hard. i think that's the message we need to send. thanks for joining us. >> thanks wolf we're following several breaking news developments right now. much more right after this. why do we do it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience? why innovate for a future without accidents? why do any of it? why do all of it? because if it matters to you it's everything to us.
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the break it is news the leader of isis apparently live and in control of the terrorist forces making a threatening new appeal to an audio message that's just been released. let's go to jim scuitto, who is working the story. >> i have spoken to u.s. officials. they say there's no reason to doubt this is indeed the voice of the isis leader. the key things is this message, this warnings encouraging isis supporters around the world, wherever they are, to take up arms and carry out acts of terror. in a new audio message, baghdadi makes a threadening new appeal calling on new recruits to fight, quote, in this hand or wherever they may be.
heard for the first time in six months baghdadi references the saudi air campaign in yemen. a sign he survived an air strike where officials say he was wounded in in february. air strike after devastating air strike. american officials say the u.s.-led air campaign is having a punishing effect on isis. the u.s. -- the fighters and the u.s. says its leaders. >> i think if you look at the reach about a year ago and where it is now you see it's been pushed back. >> the iraqi military says a coalition strike killed the second in mand whose roots in isis dates back more than a decade. he's been a key u.s. target with a $7 million bounty on his head. the pentagon tells cnn that it has no hard evidence that al
afri is dead. >> people have been burned in the past when they say they struck or killed an individual and suddenly that individual pops back up somewhere else. >> it's not clear how the death of a senior leader would be change the situation on the battlefield. the group he led survived grew. still, with isis as with all terror groups leadership does matter. >> they control the operational tempo and the kind of design of the operation, especially in this organization which has key leaders from both terrorist backgrounds, but also from military background. >> u.s. officials i have spoken with have always doubted the story he wall street incapacitated injured in this strike if february and now we see evidence that he is alive and appears to be very much in control of this group.
>> jim scuitto, thanks very much. let's dig deeper with michael more rely. mr. morrell, thanks very much. how important is it to take out they high-profile terrorist leaders, the u.s. has been trying to do so for a long time but it seems once they're taken out others come back up. >> it is very important to take out the senior leadership of these terrorist groups. one of the things we learned is if you can keep these guys on their back heels, if you can keep them worrying about their own security if you keep on having to replace them you weaken the groups make it much more difficult for them to plan and conduct attacks. >> in this new audio message, the isis leader calls for new recruits to join the fight, to -- wherever they may be how
big of a at least does isis pose to the u.s. homeland. >> right now not a direct threat, they pose a threat in terms of radicalizing young men and women to conduct -- but the longer they have safe haven in iraq and syria, they'll be a bigger threat and if they -- which is one of the reasons i wrote this book. i wanted people to know that. >> where is the u.s. moss vulnerable? >> i think most vulnerable in airlines. at least three al qaeda groups al qaeda in yemen, al qaeda still in pakistan and this core ason group, all three of those groups can conduct attacks in western europe in the homeland and they're still focused on airlines. i am still worried about isis in terms of self-radicalizing folks here and something some of
those folks wall into malls with automatic weapons could do a tremendous amount of damage. so i worry about both those things. >> what does the u.s. need to do to minimize these threats? because my own sense is this war against terror will go on like the war against crime in the united states probably never really going to end. >> one of the things i say in my book is my grandchildren ace generation and my children's generation will still be fighting this fight. the big lesson learned in counter-terrorism, you have to keep the pressure on them. if you keep the pressure on them you have them worrying about their own security on their back foot it makes it more difficult. as soon as you take the pressure off, wolf they come back at you. that's the big lesson. >> how good is the intelligence community telling leaders in congress and the president, because we've seen some significant blunders over the years. not just the iraq weapons of mass destruction stockpiles but
since then there have been major blunders. >> one of the reasons i wrote the book is there's a lot of myths out there about the cia, and one myth is we're james bond we can do anything steal any secret stop any plot. that's nonsense. you know i think the other myth is we are maxwell smart, right? and we get everything wrong, everything we touch. the other myth is we're jason bourne that's wrong, too. that's a group of hard-working dedicated people trying to protect the country who gets most things right, but do get some things wrong, like any organization does. so with the president of the united states mr. morell goes out and says the counter-terrorism war in yemen, somalia, is a success, and a few months later the u.s. has to evacuate the embassy, and it hasn't been reopened in somalia in a long time. is that based on bad intelligence he is getting?
>> wolf i can only tell you what we've been telling this administration and this congress for a long time which is that essentially there's been two great victories in this wear against al qaeda. one great victory is we have protected the homeland. there's been no attacks by outside groups here. and we have degraded and decimated the al qaeda senior leadership in pakistan. their great victory has been the spread of their ideology wolf across a huge geographic area. that's the real story of benghazi the story of libya, and now iraq. we've been telling that story for a long long time. >> so when the president says isis is the jv team for example, is that based on an intelligence failure as well? we thee in control of mosul, clearly not the jv team. >> wolf we got most of the eye
session story right. we monitored al qaeda in iraq. we monitored them as soon as the u.s. forces left they started gaining strength and when they moved into syria they got even stronger because they got their hands on weapons, money, more fighters we told that story. what we got wrong, wolf on eye says but what we got wrong was how quickly the iraqi security forces evaporated in the face of the isis blitzkrieg over a year and a half ago. >> are you with the president in trying to get this deal with iran? do you think iran will end it's nik lard capability. >> i come at this as the way of an intelligence officer. i would be advising the president on what aspects of the deal that i could successfully monitor and which parts i
couldn't. the other thing i would be doing is put this in a broader context for the president. the nuclear programs is not the only thing that the iran jas everyonance are doing. they practice terrorism, they support international terrorist groups. they support insurgents in the middle east. they said to see israel wiped off the face of the earth. i try to put that in a bigger context. that's where our allies are coming from as they look at iran and they look at this deal. >> mike morell has written "the great war of our time the cia's fight again terrorism." thanks for writing this book. >> great to be with you. thank you another major story we're following. jeb bush trying to end many uproar that's been dogging him all week long the fumble of repeated questions about whether he supports his brother's decision to launch that u.s.
invasion. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash is here with more. what is the latest on this front, dana? >> i'm told by sources close to jeb bush it's been abundantly clear that they had to put his his stumble on iraq to rest. today he gave it another try >> all right. >> day four and a fout attempt at answering the question knowing what we know today, would he have invaded iraq. >> we're all supposed to answer hypothetical questions knowing what we know now, what would you have done. i would have not engaged, i would not have gone into iraq. >> jeb bush offered that clarification without even being asked. days of mixed messages about his iraq position such a problem, it was actually being discussed "the view" on the television right above him as he spoke today. the confusion stems from this on
monday. >> i would have. >> this on tuesday. >> i don't know what that decision would have been. that's a hypothetical. >> and this on wednesday. >> given the power of looking back and having that of course anybody would have made different decisions. >> even bush supporters scratch their heads, baffled that someone named bush whose brother's legacy was marred by invading iraq based on faulty intelligence was not better prepared to give his position. sources close to jeb say it's hard for him to throw his brother under the bus, which even he admitted. >> i don't go out of my way disagree with my brother. i am loyal to him. i don't think it's necessary to go through every place where i disagree with him. >> jeb bush's opponents are eager to show they can finesse it especially marco rubio. >> i do not believe if the intelligence had said iraq does
not have a weapon of mass destruction capability i don't believe president bush would have authorized to move forward. >> more proof of how hard it will be to run for president as a bush this confrontation with a democratic activist. >> you can just answer my question. >> what is your question? >> why are you saying that isis is created by us. >> because when we left -- >> when we send young men to die for the idea of american exceptionalism. why are you spouting nationalist rhetoric? >> there still is that key question wolf about why jeb bush wasn't prepared to answer predictable questions about iraq. a bush adviser insist to me they did go over it he was e pr paired but it got tripped up when he in his words misheard
the question knowing what you know now. >> i want you to stand by. i want to bring in our chief political and cyst gloria borger. is it too little too late for jeb bush? has the damage been done throughout this week, all these clarifications? >> wolf, i think what he's exhibited is unsteadness. he made a mistake. it took four tries. what this shows you is this is a candidate to be i should say, who is rusty, who is unsteady who was torn by family loyalty, my advisers and by his own instinct. and it shows you that he's got to get his act together before he gets into the main game here. because a lot of people are kind of scratching their heads saying how could this happen. this is the question that he knew he was going to be asked and he didn't have an answer for it right out of the box. >> sara what's your analysis
in. >> i do think they're right. i think people expected jeb bush's political skills to be sharper than they are. but i also think he expected his campaign to respond better than that. they're looking at a campaign that has set ambitious goals and they're saying is the only thing this campaign can do well is raise money? why aren't they prepared for these kinds of questions. that's what you worry about when you have donors who have asking that question, donors who have raised $1 million for your come pain. >> this question was totally predictable. is he just rusty right snow? what's going on? >> i actually am in the camp that doesn't necessarily think it's a rusty issue. but i think it is maybe an issue where the infrastructure is just not there. one of the things that bush advisers argue when we question why is he waiting so long to run, aside from the obvious that he's trying to raise a lot of
money, unlike almost everybody else running, he didn't have a structure around him, both a political structure and a policy structure. he's been out of office for nearly ten years. sitting senators they have their senate offices. they have to be careful but they've still been honing thar ideas currently. the governors and even people who have left office. not so for jeb bush. and i think this is a simp too many of that and i think we're seeing that pretty clearly. i think there are also some quirks in personality issues that make this a particular issue given the fact that you know as we've been talking about, jeb bush is unique to everybody else nobody else is related to george w. bush. >> yeah. i think, wolf, one of the interesting things here is the role that the family plays. jeb bush clearly doesn't want to insult his brother. and you know, he says he's running as his own man but on the other hand he said w is my chief adviser on mideast policy.
he says he loves his brother and doesn't want to insult his brother which is an admirable trait. but it doesn't do him much good as a candidate if he makings it to the general. and it's kind of hurting him right now. he's going to have to work his way through this family loyalty issue as he progresses. because most republicans believe that the war in iraq was a mistake. >> but, sara of any question out there, this is the one question he certainly should have been better prepared to answer right? >> you should be prepared to answer this question if your name is jeb bush. that is what everyone is telling me. they don't necessarily know if this kind of problem gets better once he announces that he's abactual candidate. if you look at the way jeb bush is setting up his operation, he's going to have his super pac. he's going to have a campaign and he's going to have a separate policy shop that's structured as a c-4. the idea that they're having a
problem getting on the same page with messaging right now before he announces is kind of a warning sign to some people that's only going to get more difficult with this structure when he does announce that he's running for president. >> gloria marco rubio, the other senator from florida and a friend of jeb bush obviously gave a major address on foreign policy at the council of foreign relations and it was widely seen as pretty successful. jeb bush rubio's mentor. has the student now, at least on certain foreign policy matters become the teacher? >> it's interesting. the protege here challenging the man who took his under his wing and taught him everything. and i think jeb bush would say that he's the person in the field that you should look at when it comes to foreign policy. but i think what rubio has done is really smart. marco rubio has studied, had taken the last couple of years
and used his stature as a senator to get briefed, to deal with foreign leaders one on one, to travel to explore and to come up with kind of a foreign policy agenda. he blew it a little bit on immigration when he signed on to a compromise that some republicans object to. but i think rubio, to use your metaphor rubio has been a very good student here. and the teacher might take tomsome lessons from him. >> is this whole incident going to force some big-time republican donor to maybe walk away from jeb bush and walk towards marco rubio? >> walk away unclear. i know sara has been doing some reporting and talked to some donors who have not pleased with this. but truthfully at this stage of the game, it's not so much about the donors it's about the grass roots. this is the latest example of
you know making the grass roots feel comfortable that he is going to be an agent of change a candidate for the future. because that's what people out there are really going for. and he has been really out there all across the country saying look i know my name is bush but i'm a different kind of guy. i am my own guy and here are the reasons i can be different. this just kind of backs that up a little bit. makes it harder for him to do. i talked to republicans who say this is the least of his worries when you talk about the republican primary. it's immigration and common core. those are the things that are going to trip him up with the primary voters. >> sara quickly, what's going to be the impact? >> i think a lot of donors are shaking their heads saying he should have been better prepared. they're happy to see is this happening with many month to go. he has a lot of time to repair the damage but he's going to have to brang his a game. >> absolutely right.
thanks very much. we'll continue to stay on top of this major political story. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett out front starts right now. breaking news, new surveillance video captures the incident that the amtrak train derails. and new details tonight about the engineer at the controls. his coworker tells outfront there's more to the story than meets the eye. >> tom brady fighting back. he's appealing his suspicion tonight. can he win? let's go outfront. good evening, everyone. outfront we