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conference you probably would have been annoyed. set your dvr to watch "outfront" nu any time. meantime ac360 with anderson cooper starts right now. >> a bombshell out of washington, d.c. and speaker of the house from 1999 to 2007, now dennis hastert has an alleged felon, charged with lying to the fbi about the money they say he paid over the years to cover up an unrevealed misconduct. $1.7 million and he allegedly agreed to pay a whole lot more than that. this is, as you might imagine, sending shocking waves through washington and his home state of the illinois. we have more details now. >> the former speaker of the house once second in line to the presidency now facing federal
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charges. accused of making false statements to the fbi and trying to hide large financial transactions that the government alleged was hush money. according to the indictment hastert agreed to pay $3.5 million identified only as individual a. after meetings between the two five years ago. payments meant to compensate for his prior misconduct. it doesn't describe what the misconduct was but it said he did know him most of his life and he was a high school teacher and coach for years. last year the fbi launched an investigation on the payment and whether he was vying to avoid occurrence transaction payment and using the cash to cover up past misconduct. >> that is why they are looking into this. a pattern of withdrawing around $10,000 from the bank without an explanation, hastert told fbi
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agents that the withdrawals were because he did not trust the bank system. the government alleges that was a false statement. it is a stunning turn for the former republican leader who was spouse speaker from -- house speaker from 1999 to 2007. since then he's been a lobbyist for this firm which quickly removed his buyiography from the website after this reveal. >> so do we know who he was paying and why? >> not a clue. i've called around this town and i knew hastert and i covered congress when he was in congress and speaker of the house in fact and speaking to his team here in town i've tried to reach them and left them messages no response. i've talked to former aides, no response. currently people on capitol hill no response. so this was a real shock tonight here in washington. >> from my reading of this
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these payments began, i think in 2010, according to the government after hastert had been meeting awith -- with this person this person he had known for much of this person's life. he knew this person as a child back in his home district where he was a coach and a teacher, correct? >> right. so it suggests that this goes all the way back to those days when he was a wrestling and a football coach as well as a teacher in illinois. although that is not confirmed. because this indictment simply does not say what that alleged underlying misconduct is that hastert started paying money for. >> i want to bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. and the implication is -- and again we don't know what the alleged inappropriate behavior was and there is an elephant in the room here and he was a teacher and a wrestling coach and knew this person from the time he was a child in this
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district where he was a teacher and a coach and paying this person was agreed to pay this person upwards of $3 million or $3.5 million in small increments because of past inappropriate behavior. >> right. this is a indictment full of in sinuation about what the nature of the misconduct is as you said wrestling coach, nobody his -- known his whole life and seekts arrangement later. but to be fair there is nothing in there that suggests directly or says directly what the misconduct was. he's sort of keeping in mind the misconduct is relevant to the guilt or innocence of the charges. you can't avoid occurrence transaction -- currency transaction reports regardless of misconduct you committed years ago. >> and you say it is irrelevant.
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is that because of statute of limitations. if was inappropriate sexual misconduct or what inappropriate conduct could have been. >> most crimes have statute of limitations that probably expired but we don't know what the misconduct was or whether it was potentially criminal sore whether it could be prosecuted. certainly the fbi would not reach out to prosecute it then decades ago in illinois. however, once they knew what appeared to be structuring of agoets and they asked and he gave this preposterous answer that he didn't trust the banking system that sets in motion a different investigation which he is in a world of trouble about regardless of whatever he is in
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trouble with this person years ago. >> and the bank was the first to get red flags about these transactions. apparently they were in $50,000 increments and once the bank approached him he cut it down to $10,000 to be under the radar again. and still a lot to learn. joe and jeff. thank you very much. and now trouble in michigan in the fight against isis. not in iraq. this hits home. the fbi is asking for help from local law enforcement because it has more isis sympathizers then they have more agents to keep track of. and joining us is evan perez of why law enforcement officials have such deep concerns. what have you learned? >> there is a heightened state of alert about isis sympathizer here in this country. they are looking to add more than 400 officers to the
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counter-terrorism and the lapd is responding to this call in the same manner. they are doing more surveillance and looking around the communities so they can be the eyes and ears for the fbi in case they see any signs that someone might do a lone wolf attack. now part of the concern stems from what happened in garland, texas, a few weeks ago where a couple of isis supporters tried to attack a mohammed cartoon contest and that really drew everybody's attention because he was already under some surveillance and they lost him for a couple of days and they didn't know he was headed to texas to carry out this attack anderson. >> and from what you understand is it there is an increased threat of an attack or something more broader? >> it is more broad. and the problem is this -- the fbi director said plainly that he can't stop what he can't see. what they are seeing more of anderson is that these people
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are using peer to peer encrypted communications and that is something that the fbi can't get their hands on and as a result of that they have to do physical watching of the people they have concern over. >> a quick reminder set your dvr to watch ac360 any time you want. coming up bracing for another event like the one in texas, a drawing mohammed rally, and some told to bring their guns and we're joined by phil mudd. and another video touching off a storm. a officer wrestling a pregnant african-american woman to the ground after refusing to give her name and wrestling her to the ground. we'll have more just after this.
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you got a sense say moment ago about why the government has a deep certain about isis. and it is a numbers concern and an open society where people express their views and sometimes violently. in garland, texas, two isis sympathizers were shot dead. outside of a draw the prophet
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muhammad event. sara sidner is at a rally planned for tomorrow. what more do you know about it? >> reporter: look they are supposed to have this ready and calling it a freedom of speech rally round two, because it is the second time they've done this. but before the rally outside of the islamic community center and mosque they are going to have another drawing contest of the prophet muhammad a car toob drawing -- a cartoon drawing contest and after the cartoons are drawn and the depictions are made they are to bring them out here and they will use those in the rally. they are encouraging people to do that. they are encouraging people to do that and they say something on their facebook page something different they said last time. let me read to you what they are telling people. they are saying it is peaceful but to utilize the second amendment right at the event just in case the first amendment
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comes under the much anticipated attack the second amendment, the right to bear arms and the second the freedom of speech and they are encouraging people to bring arms with them in case they come under attack. and that has worried the people that come to this mosque because they are doing this when the mosque has the friday prayers. they come to this mosque often, women and children and families and basically they are concerned about their own safety after seeing that particular wordage on the facebook page. >> so what is the mosque saying? what is the community center saying about all of this? >> reporter: look we talked to the council on american islamic relations who is speaking for the two mosques that are here in phoenix and they are very concerned. they also said something that we had not heard before they received threats via letter that had threatened not only the
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imams but the congregation itself and they are concerned and talked to the fbi about that. and the police are planning on having a presence out here and want to shiek thur that things -- make sure that things do go peacefully. this has happened before and it did go off peacefully but they are concerned about other threats that have come forward and they feel this is inciting violence. >> and joining us is george ritz heimer who organized the event and counter-terrorism official philip mud. and appreciate you being with us. you are encouraging hundreds of people to gather outside of a mosque wearing t-shirts saying f islam. everybody has the right to protest but you yourself said this is a provocation and you compared it to poking a bear or kicking a hornet's nest and so what are you trying to achieve.
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>> i'm trying to achieve exposing islam and what is written in the koran. and even mr. mudd who is joining us he said this is a bad idea and some would probably argue that the signers that signed the declaration of independence was a bad idea back in the day. >> so you are comparing yourselves to the signers of the declaration of in dependence. >> yes. i don't want to live in fear. >> what are you in fear of? >> we've lived in threats. the police have come to my house and my family is packing up and going into hiding. >> and i understand you don't like islam and equate it what terrorism. you served in iraq and we should honor that and you served in support of iraq so if you hate islam how do you justify having done that? >> well i -- the core values of
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islam is what i hate. >> right. but you were promoting a islamic government in iraq so why were you doing that? >> okay. well let me answer it like this. i was over there and i was over there and following orders. >> so do you feel you were supporting terrorisms while supporting an islamic government in iraq? do you say that the marines in afghanistan are supporting terrorism as well. >> no. let me finish. i was uneducated. i was a junior marine following orders. i was scared but i was uneducated about islam it wasn't until i came home and utilized my 9/11 gi bill. >> and now that you are educated on islamic you were supporting an islamic government in iraq so you are saying that marines and others currently serving in afghanistan and elsewhere with supporting terrorisms? >> if their government is going to be run under sharia law, then
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i don't support that. >> it is not sharia law but it is an islamic government. so you believe all active duty service members are supporting terrorism around the world. >> no i don't believe that. >> but you believe islamic equals terrorism. >> i don't believe that. >> you don't believe that islam at its core is terrorism? >> oh, yes, true islam is terrorism. the ones that are out committing atrocities they are following the book as it is written. >> let me bring in phil. in terms of what they are trying to achieve, what marines are fighting and dying for, do events like this thing happening tomorrow in phoenix, do you believe it hurts the u.s. out reach to the vast majority of the muslim world? >> i see this kind of event and i look at isis and i know what they are going to say, this is proof that what we are telling you, to recruit you out of denver out of phoenix, los angeles and new york that is true. they talk about democracy and
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free speech and living with your religion regardless of what it is in america, but they don't live that out of practice. >> and that is a good point. aren't you playing into the narrative of isis and al qaeda which is trying to say there is a war between islamic and the west and you have to choose you can't be a muslim in the united states you have to be opposed to the united states aren't you playing into their hands? isn't this exactly the reaction and the message that the terrorists' want? >> sure. >> sure? it is. >> sure. >> so you are playing into isis and al qaeda -- hands? do you feel good about this? >> i'm just doing what i have to do to make sure my children have a good future. >> you don't believe this is playing into the narrative of what isis and al qaeda is trying to say. isis and al qaeda to phil's point is sishing a narrative there is a war between islam and
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the west. you fully believe there is a war between islam and the west. >> yes. >> so you see yourself as a foot soldier somehow in a war dish-- so you think it is wise for the west to have a war against the billion plus muslims in the world? >> no. i don't believe in a war. we're not out committing the acts. we're not out threatening anybody. >> you don't think bringing guns to a mosque while families with praying inside and wearing t-shirts saying f islam and shouting at them you don't think that is promoting violence at all? >> i think the whole thing -- the cartoon contest, especially i think it is stupid and ridiculous. but it is what needs to take place in order to expose the true colors of islam. >> john ritz heimer. i appreciate you being on and phil mudd. thank you.
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up next police under fire after they wrestle an eight month pregnant mother underground after investigating a parking lot dispute. the woman and the police department is speaking out. we'll show you the video. and a potential lead in the disappearance of natalee holloway ten years after she vanished in paradise. what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild.
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breaking news out of california. two police officers in barstow are under fire accused of excessive force. the officers were investigating a parking lot dispute at a school involving two women. one was an african-american mother dropping off her daughter a second grader and didn't give police her full name but did tell them she was eight months pregnant. and they wrestled her down to the ground and arrested her on her stomach. >> no don't touch me. do not touch me. do not touch me. i'm pregnant. do not touch me. what the -- is going on. do not touch me. do not touch me. do not touch me. do not touch me sir. do not touch me. do not touch me. i'm pregnant.
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stop it. this is ridiculous. what are you doing? what are you doing? >> ma'am, please. >> please don't touch me. >> the aclu just released this incident and it happened in january. the police department is firing band and the women in question is speaking out. here is her report. >> please don't touch me! >> how did dropping off children at school suddenly escalate to this? police body cam video captures the entire incident. the first contact the barstow police officer has is with this blond woman who said she called the police to the school. >> because she was over here punching my window. >> no damage to the woman's car and the barstow police officer clearly said this. >> i don't see a crime
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committed. if there was damage i would have the opportunity to place her under citizens arrest. >> she walked over to michelle cooks who had just dropped off her second grade daughter. she was upset. >> she was hugging and hugging. and she was like you cannot park -- you cannot drive right here. there is a one-lane thing. >> the officer asked for cook's name. >> what is your name. >> i'm not giving you my name. >> cooks gets on the phone to call her boyfriend. >> ma'am, i'm going to give you two minutes. he gives her about two seconds. >> don't touch me. don't touch me. >> ma'am. >> i'm pregnant do not touch me. >> cooks is eight months pregnant and never stopped screaming. >> what are you doing? stop. let my arms go. >> she is arrested. >> in your opinion, how did the officers treat you. >> like an animal. like a monster.
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>> this is michelle cooks today. police charged her with resisting arrest but a judge dismissed the charges. she gave birth to her daughter olive two months later but her mother is traumatized. >> he just looked at me and thought she must be that way and i'm not that way. you make me feel a way that i'm not. and i work so hard to provide for my family. this is not an issue that i wanted. >> is this a window into the national discourse of police conduct? >> i think so. this is how it is every day for some of us in the black community. this is how it is. and the only difference is the technology that records it and the internet that projects it. >> and we are joined now by kim. what are police telling you? >> police have opened up an
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internal investigation now that they are aware of the body cam video. and a statement reads that it is apparent that miss cooks actively resisted arrest. the barstow police department continues to be proactive in training and handling interactions with emotionally charged individuals. >> fascinating. and joining us is nypd detective harry houck and civil rights attorney areeva martin. and what do you make of this? he said to the blond lady it doesn't look like a crime was committed and the only reason it seemed like she was arrested is because she didn't want to give her name and under california law does she have to? >> absolutely not. when i saw this video, i was outraged at the treatment of this pregnant woman. they talk about the woman being emotionally charmed, let's talk
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about the officer. he walks up to the blond woman and completely buys her story and doesn't ask her anything and goes over to the african-american woman and asks her for her name and says i'm going to give you two minutes and gives her two seconds. individuals have the right to refuse to give their identity. he himself, acknowledges no crime was committed and it is important to note just a couple of weeks before this city of barstow entered into a settlement agreement with two brothers with a similar situation and they are in a restaurant and someone calls police and accused them of robbery and they refuse to give their information and they are arrested and refused to give their identification and they are arrested and despite that
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settlement this happens. >> and you don't have the right to resist arrest. she knew she was eight months pregnant. i'm not saying what the officers did was right here but the fact that when somebody -- when a police officer approaches you and places you under arrest you've got to submit to that officer. the fact that she was so worried about her baby why didn't she put her hands behind her back and when she was arrested just go to the police station, file a complaint against the police officers and go through the courts. >> but it is infuriating for somebody to be arrested for no apparent reason. >> right, i understand. >> had they said to the police officer, why are you arresting me i don't think he could have come up for a reason. >> anderson i would have handled this differently. two complaint ants just a verbal altercation with each other, go on your own way here. that is where experience would have worked out for this police officer. i don't know if he has a lot of experience or not. >> it seems there was a million
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different ways this could have deescalated. it almost had to do with the officer's pride of well i had you have to give me your name even though legally she doesn't and now i'm going to arrest you because you've annoyed me. >> and even when she said she was pregnant he never took the time to stop to tend to her issues he was putting her at risk and her unborn baby at risk. and it is interesting when you watch the end of the video, saernd when the -- -- anderson when the commander officer comes on the scene and the arresting officer starts to give his story, he gives the complete rendition of the blond lady and never told the story of the african-american woman who said she did nothing wrong. so from the beginning of the entire incident he gave the presumption of correctness to the blond lady and ignored the facts as told to him by the african-american woman. >> what if a person calls the %-ppolice,the
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personwho called the police and she called the police and now they walk the ore to the woman -- over to the woman and tried to get a story from her and i don't know what was going through this person's mind from the first place, lock this person's office. >> but would you lock this person up for not giving a name. >> for a person like this i wouldn't lock them up. >> and if a person said they are pregnant is there a rule about putting them down on their stomach or the pavement or something like that? >> no. there isn't. if you are going to place somebody under arrest you hope they would put their hands behind their back. and if she is resisting arrest to take her down and hopefully i took her down on one side or the other side or her back to try to protect the child. and you have to remember, she knows she's pregnant and she's escalating the situation where a
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baby might be hurt. you don't have to arrest with the police officer whether or not he had probable cause for an arrest if it happened to me i would put my hands behind the back and deal with the courts after that. >> and is a viva do you agree, at that point do you go along with the arrest and figure it out later. >> clearly when the police you have the approach to try to de-escalation it later and clearly the officer is in control of the situation and he is saying i'm in distress and his job is to protect and serve and he had an obligation and he should be disciplined if not charged for the wrongful arrest of this person. the judge threw the case out. >> and that is telling. the judge threw the case out. and we'll see what happened next. good to have you on. a possible new lead in the natalee holloway mystery. a new witness claims he know
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where he is buried and claims he saw what happened to her more than a decade ago. martin savidge sat down with him. and a person who dropped off $40,000 at the washington mansion where four people were murdered. seems like we've hit a road block. that reminds me...
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we're digging deeper on a cold case heating up a decade later. natalee holloway as you remember vanished in 2005 during a high school graduation trip to aruba. presumably murdered her body never been found. joran van der sloot was never charged with her death and now serving final for another death in peru. and now another witness claims he saw what happened to her and knows where her body is buried. we sent martin savidge to track him down. >> the possible clue to finding
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natalee holloway ten years later isn't in aruba but 5,000 miles away in amsterdam. >> it is here that the now witness in -- the new witness in the case now lives. and because what he has to say is so remarkable we wanted to hear it said face-to-face. >> he is an eyewitness which means. >> you were the last person to see natalee holloway alive. >> yes. >> the problem is while he was in aruba, he had a job, that was, let's just say, he was against the law. >> there was a reason i was on this construction site it was illegal activity. >> and doing wrong on the night on may 30th, 2005 put him in the right place, he said around 2:00 in the morning. >> i was just about to leave when i heard a young couple approaching the entrance. >> he said he sees a young man chase a young woman into a construction site.
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>> i thought first in a playful way like i'm going to get you. >> they disappeared up a partially built stairway and the young man reappeared carrying the young woman who looked to be limp in his arms. >> he jumped down and it was a turn and twist and he slammed here. >> and if he is wrong, everything changed. he watched from a distance as the man appeared to hide the woman's body in a section of the foundation. >> he made a opening in the cross under the foundation and he pulled the body inside of the crawl space and stayed inside for a minute or something and then came out and closed the gap. >> de jong knew he witnessed something but not until the news broke about natalee holloway that he knew. he couldn't go public. >> first understand there is a law that could punish me for
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things and the people that i work with they won't be pleased. >> did you know who the man was? >> no. by that time not yet. but days after missing girl and i hear joran, yeah so. >> so years went by and in 2008 de jong saw an interview but an undercover dutch interviewer that said they died while they were together and she died in the ocean and he said he had nothing to do with her death. and de jong got angry because he knew it was a lie and had a daughter close to natalee's age. de jong called holloway and said. >> i know where her body is hidden. >> and my first thought is this is crazy. >> and holloway admits he blew
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her off. >> and nothing happened. and joran van der sloot is accused of killing a young woman in peru. and then he told them where her body could be found. and then finally did he jong got the attention of a prosecutor in aruba and natalee's dad. >> i read the statement and i thought this is a detailed police statement with a lot of facts. >> so three months ago, nearly ten years after she disappeared, authorities in aruba reactivated the case of natalee holloway. >> and martin savidge joins us now from aruba. have authorities searched the site where this man claims natalee holloway was buried. >> no they haven't and that is a huge rub and bone of contention
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for the witness struggling to force someone to come forward and for mr. holloway to finding his daughter and the remains. everyone thought she was in the water and this man said she is on land and if they could recover remains it would be huge for the family and the investigation and they could possibly determine how she died and whether she was murdered and if so who may have carried it all out. it is a crucial point but no search as yet. we ask the prosecutor tomorrow why not, anderson. >> martin we look forward to that. on 360 tomorrow night. we hope you join us. up next the quadruple murder investigation, the killer made off with $40,000 and tonight there are questions about the person who actually dropped off the money.
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daron wint was arrested after a massive man haunt. police believe he did not act alone. several people are under investigation, including the man who delivered $40,000 to the mansion before it was set on fire. pamela brown has the latest. >> tonight we're learning more about the key witness in the quadruple homicide. the assistant of saveas savopoulos. he was working as a driver a few months ago according to a source. his last errand for his boss was to drop off $40,000 in cash at the family home while they were held hostage. his number had a number of messages from savopoulos. >> he is to get the $40,000 back to the house, he is going to pay a hugely important role in the case. >> the assistant allegedly changed his account of the events regarding where he left
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the package. when he was told to get the package and how he received the package, telling authorities he lied when he stated it as in a manila envelope. he stated he texted a picture of the money in the bag on the morning of the murders. >> is it possible you misremember putting money in a manila envelope as opposed to red bags it is possible. but it is less possible when a few hours ago you texted a picture of the same bag. >> according to wttg the instagram account shows pictures of fancy cars including from inside of his boss's blue porsche where he writes another day on the job. my office today is pretty nice. #porch #turbo #porsche 911 and #work. the car was set on fire after the homicide. according to records, a witness
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of the stolen porch has short well-groomed hair. and the only suspect daron wint has mid length dreadlocks after his dna was found on a piece of pizza found in the home. >> this is a elaborate and complex plot and we're only being given pieces. >> and pamela brown joins us now. and has any more information emerged emerged. >> he has been cooperating with police and his friend said he hasn't seen him. he has seemed to go dark. we went to his house and his father said he didn't want to talk to hus and he took down the photos and after it seemed like he lied. no one can reach him and we have reached out to him and have not
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received say response back. >> and other stories we're following. randi kaye has a ac360 bulletin. >> the march 2014, since then shipments of an tlex has been sent out. some were shipped by fedex, actually. four lab work iers in the u.s. and 22 people in south korea are getting preventive treatment. the white house fence is getting security makeover in july seven inch steel spikes will be added. the upgrade sparked by a series of security lapses in recent months. and possibly the slowest police chase ever. take a look here. officers in fort worth, texas, pursuing a suspect who evaded arrest after a drug-related traffic stop. under department policy they aren't actually allowed to pass or block a fleeing vehicle so le
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let the suspect set the pace a snails pace. this is how it ended two hours later when patience ran out and a s.w.a.t. vehicle steps in. >> randi kaye thank you. in what world is a 37-year-old woman too hold for a 55-year-old man. find out in the ridiculist next. i'm louis, and i quit smoking with chantix. i told myself for so long that i needed to quit smoking. i would quit then i'd go right back to it. chantix absolutely helped me quit smoking. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior,
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time now for the ridiculous. time now for news. courtesy of maggie gyllenhaal. in the highs of the hollywood machine, eldler. in an interview, she reveals she was too hold to play the love interest of a 55-year-old actor. she's 37 years old. since she is an honorable woman, she did not reveal of the names of the people involved but she said it was astonishing to me
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it made me feel bad and then angry and then feel bad. and they like to have people paired up with men old enough to be their fathers. the list goes on and on. and there are exceptions. one that comes to mind. the graduate. the most famous older woman and younger man movie ever made. ann bancroft was only six years older than dustin hoffman and the baby from three men and a baby could be cast to tom selleck and ted dan son and steve guttenberg. and i'm going to throw to a clip from inside amy schumer. >> is it someone's birthday? >> we're celebrating julia's last couple of days. >> in every actress' life the
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media realizes there is a point when you are not believable -- any more. >> who tells you. >> nobody overtly tells you but there are signs. you know how sally field was tom hank's love interest in punch line or then his mother in forrest gump. >> what about men? when do men get that day? >> i was told i was too old to play larry king's life. >> you don't have to pair a injuriy attic man with a teen-ager woman to make money. does anybody remember a film call titanic. there is only a one year sage difference. dicaprio was 23 at the time but they would have have hired to hire a 3-year-old and you're
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probably not allowed to hire a 3-year-old, but kudos to maggie gyllenhaal for talking about it. and so kudos to forever young on the ridiculist. i'm mike rowe. and i'm on a mission to find people on a mission. >> on a scale of 1-10 how much do you like what you do? >> 25. >> what are they doing? >> freaking me out. >> how are they doing it? >> and why? >> i love to make things that make people smile. >> it is very freaking exciting. >> come on. we have to get it. ♪ >> i dare you to turn the channel.