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jake tapper turning you over to one mr. wolf blitzer. he's right next door in a place we like to call "the situation room." >> radicalized by isis a suspect under suh va lens by a terrorism task force is shot by police in boston after allegedly waving a knife. officials say he was part of a wider terror probe. bomb threats, air traffic is disrupted after a new series of threats aimed at airliners as authorities scramble to trace the source the tsa under fire for a new series of failures at security check points. anthrax in the pentagon. the army's accident that sent shock waves around the world now strikes home. a shipment of the potentially deadly bacteria sent to the pentagon for testing purposes may have contained live material. and cruise ship rescue hundreds of people are missing or trapped after a luxury ship is flipped upside down in a
river apparently hit by a tornado. an urgent rescue operation new under way. i'm wolf blitblitzer. you're in "the situation room." a suspect under surveillance by an fbi led terrorism task force is shot dead in boston after allegedly waving a large military knife at officers. along with two associates believed to have been radicalized by isis. this comes as the senate voted 67-32 to back a measure reforming a controversial national security agency surveillance method trying to track tire riss through american's phone records. i'll speak live with congressman adam shift of the intelligence community and our correspondents analysts and guests are standing by. let's begin with elise laf itch. she's in boston on the scene. what's the latest on this man and his links to terror?
>> reporter: well the boston police department and fbi just wrapped up a press conference a short time ago. they tell us that they were watching 26-year-old usaama rahim for some time. it's as long as two years as part of this task force. sources telling evan perez that he was being watched because they thought he was being radicalized online by isis. he was making new threats to police officers online. and so they thought it was a good time to question him. but
the fbi and police officers that approached him today did not know that he was armed. they had no intention of arresting him. and then he pulled out about an 8-inch knife, started brandishing it at officers. the officers retreated. but when he started moving forward they ended up shooting
him in the abdomen and torso. >> the fbi have been monitoring this man and other associates. what's known about his broader connections? >> reporter: well they're saying that he could be part of some informal or ad hoc terror network, not necessarily a full fledged terror group working with an organization like isis. but a collection of like minded individuals that could have been radicalized, working together. there have been no arrests but we understand they're questioning two of his associates as part of the possible network. new bomb threats made
to airliners today and four flights were met upon arrival by u.s. authorities. the tsa is under a lot of fire right now. let's bring in our aviation correspondent rené marsh. what are you learning? >> well this is a taxing situation for law enforcement in multiple states. this morning alone we saw bomb
threats to at least four commercial planes with passengers on board. we had a united flight that was headed to chicago, a delta plane headed to atlanta, a u.s. airways flight headed to philadelphia and a fourth plane which had just left portland oregon and was headed to mexico all of them received bomb threats. not just one airline. as you can see targeted. in all cases law enforcement arrived on the scene, there were bomb sniffing dogs passengers were depland. they found nothing. in all of these occasions. of course this comes on the heels of this memorial day we saw multiple bomb threats called in against other airliners, including an air france flight. again, none of these have been found to be credible. but in this day and age law enforcement officials say they're not taking anything for granted. so they have to check all of these out. but really taxes the situation there as far as law enforcement in these local municipalities.
>> and i remember yesterday another tsa related story you broke, you reported here in "the situation room," this test that the department of homeland security inspector general had 70 times they went to various screeners at u.s. airports they had stuff that looked like explosive devices, pistols, ammunition or whatever. of those 70 times, 67 they got through without a problem. there's been dramatic action since that initial report. >> we're seeing a shakeup at the very top. we know the acting tsa administrator, melvin airaway is out. he's been reassigned. that came last night, effective immediately. of course all of this is in the same sort of timing that we talked about this undercover operation in which testers were essentially able to get weapons and fake explosives through the check points. cnn has learned today that these
testers were not even weapons experts, they were not law enforcement, they were not security. these were regular employers with the department of homeland security's inspector general's office who were able to pull this off. they didn't have a certain level of expertise. the changes coming into place, a couple of thungs. he wants the screening machines to be ree-evaluated were more training and the screening procedures revised. >> there's a lot of work they need to do. after furious debate the u.s. senate just endorsed the bill reforming the national security's agent sit's surveillance programs. the measure passed by the house of representatives. will now go to the president for his signature. the issue of collection of phone data has bitterly divided
republicans. let's bring in dana bash. what's the latest there? >> reporter: after so much drama, a rare sunday session, a missed deadline that allowed the program to go dark for two days with the bipartisan bill that both the white house, house republican leaders and democrats supported passed without any problem. but it happened over the objections of the senator majority leader who said that this hurts national security. mitch mcconnell is rarely this animated. >> no content, no names, no listening to phone calls of law abiding phone calls, none of that is going on. >> but this senate majority leader can't contain his exaspiration which started when a fill la buster was launched. >> just today a cnn poll, not exactly part of the right wing conspiracy states that 61% of
americans, 61% of americans think that the expiring provisions of the patriot act including, my colleagues including data collection should be renewed. so if there's wide spread concern out across america about privacy, we're not picking it up. >> the senator intelligence chairman warned about threats he says spy powers could stop. >> the terrorists aren't going away. america is still their target. no matter what we say on this floor, we're still in the cross hairs. >> and this member of the intelligence committee was so perplexed perplexed, he was almost speak in riddles. >> it's a devil's choice. is something better than nothing or is something really nothing and you end up with nothing and nothing? >> as for rand paul today he was silent a no-show on the senate floor after leading the charge against any surveillance programs even those with
reforms. he used it to inner jazz hi presidential campaign and democrats were quick to gloat about how much disarray it's caused the gop. >> we're not here to serve as extras in a presidential campaign commercial. >> reporter: now despite the fact that this bill is going to go to the white house because there were no changes that happened when the senate passed it today, it's still, we're told going to take three or four days for this data dragnet program to get back up and running because of technical and legal reasons. >> dana bash up on the hill. thanks very much. let's circle back to our top story. the official says the man who has been tracked for years was radicalized by isis. and the incident comes just as congress moves to reform nsa surveillance methods. let's bring in the top democrat of the house intelligence
committee, congressman adam shift of california is joining us life from capitol hill. thanks for joining us. what can you tell us about this latest incident of another suspect allegedly influenced by isis one way or another, now shot and killed by police in boston after allegedly brandishing a huge military knife? >> well we don't know much about it yet. but i can tell you that in the wake of these attacks that we've seen in france and in the united states canada and elsewhere, fbi is going back to look over with law enforcement anyone that was essentially a suspect, anyone that thought was at risk of radicalization or taken steps to alert themselves to law enforcement. this may have been a case of someone who had been of concern earlier, that they went back to interview and then brought out a knife. but i just don't know yet what brought law enforcement's attention to him. >> we're also told congressman, that the joint terrorism task
force had been watching not only this suspect but two other associates. do you know anything about these other two associates, who they are? are they still at large? >> i don't. we've been waiting to get briefed by the intelligence committee so we don't have much on it yet. this is i think, at least in terms of what the law enforcement has said publicly it appears to be this increasing phenomena of people who are radical rised often through social media at a distance. not necessarily people under command and control of isis but nonetheless are inspired by the broader claims of these terrorist organizations to attack law enforcement or attack military targets. that may be very well what is at stake here. >> because obviously what would be of great concern if these individuals were part of a bigger cell. based on what you know right now, you have no indication that there is a bigger cell still at large connected to this one individual who was shot and killed by police in boston
today? >> wolf i just don't know. i'm not sure i could tell you in either direction. but obviously that's the first concern that law enforcement has and that is this person part of a broader group, what links do we have to others. i'm sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community is chasing that down right now. >> i want to continue our conversation. i want to take a quick break. we'll talk about what the u.s. senate has just done as far as nsa surveillance we'll talk about isis what's going on much more with the top democrat congressman adam shift when we come back.
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back to the breaking news up on capitol hill. the senate voted to reform the domestic security systems. in a tweet president obama promised to sign it into law as soon as he gets the bill. we're back with a ranking member adam schiff of california. i no e you strongly support the compromised version that the house passed. now the president said he will sign it into law. it's now going to be retained by telecommunications kmirms firms, whether at&t or verizon. but there's no limit on how long
they have to keep the information is there? >> well there's an fcc requirement that they hold on to their data for 18 months and i think the practice has been for many of them to hold it considerably longer than that. apart from the fcc requirement which may not cover the full range of what we're talking about, there is no legal requirement. that was something that was debated in the senate and earlier in the house. but a retention mandate was something that they opposed and it was not a part of this legislation. >> there were multiple threats made against airlines today, over the weekend, these bomb threats, if you will. none of them proven to be credible. it's just a continuation of what we've seen in recent weeks. congressman peter king told us recently that there has been some isis chatter about carrying out these types of hoax bomb threats in order to disrupt the u.s. airlines maybe as a way to test the response if they're
planning something sinister deadly. what do you know about these hoaxes and threats? >> i would say a couple of things. i think peter is right that isis al qaeda, they knee how much they can disrupt our lives and distract the law enforcement intelligence community resources by posting things urging people to attack or posting lists of military personnel or taking other steps that maybe they have no intention of follow through on. but nonetheless occupy a lot of our time energy and resources. at the same time you have sick people who get a perverse kick out of these hoaxes. and you might remember long before the recent threats of bombing aircraft how many of the anthrax phony hoaxes. they've been with us for a long tomb. we're also as you mentioned, seeing i think terror groups recognize they can disrupt us and distract us by these hoaxes. >> and if it's just a bunch of
jerks out there or a jerk thinking he's having or she's having some fun, they may not realize this is a serious crime. this is a felony. they could go to a jail for a long time within right? >> absolutely. the degree that it disrupts the law enforcement, the costs of the idle threats over the phone and some of them have been traced domestically over the past, they put law enforcement to great cost and are nerve-racking for the personnel involved. >> barbara starr is reporting that the pentagon is investigating whether live anthrax was brought into the pen gone building itself. there's been a huge huge uproar in recent days that it was sent to various military businesses including a military base in korea and maybe australia. what can you tell us about this? it is very disturbing. >> it is. and i think that investigation is still going on.
there's not a lot i can add. the samples were widely dispersed, it was felt they were inert and there are indications not all of them were. i'm not sure how this happened but you can imagine the consternation on the receiving end and the ending is end when it was learned that some of the samples may have been live anthrax. >> let's talk a little bit about isis right now. there's a coalition of countries, including the united states of course meeting in paris to talk about how to fight isis especially in iraq and syria. the central iraqi government is there, the prime minister is attending. but it's pretty shocking at least to me and i want to get your reaction that no representatives kurdish representatives from kurdistan, they were simply not even invited, not brought along by the government of iraq the government of hider al abadi.
should they have been included in this? >> i certainly think should have been included. they've been playing a vital role in iraq and syria. there may have been iraqi sensitivities they were worried about in giving them a seat at the table. similarly, the turks may have been concerned about having a presence there. but nonetheless, the groups like the kurds that are doing the fighting and the dying out there i think deserve to be represented. and this is something i think we have to push hard on more generally. the iraqi government needs to make efforts to bring in the kurds and the sunnis to make sure they're both armed well and have the capacity to fight isis. and in particular with respect to the sunnis until we can persuade the sunnies to peel away the war against isis is never going to be finished. >> i think people are losing the confidence if today's example of preventing the kurds from
attending the meeting is an example. they've got a lot of work to do to ensure the world that they're part of the slugs rather than part of the problem. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank wolf. the u.s. army's anthrax accident close to home. as we just noted, it was sent to the pentagon and may have contained live material. and a cruise ship apparently hit by a tornado. flips over in a river. hundreds of people are missing or trapped and a desperate rescue operation is under way right now. stay with us. you're in "the situation room."
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boston police who are part of the joint terrorism task force in boston noticed changes in his behavior recently. we're told that they had seen some of these posting, some of the social media postings and frankly some of people he was associating with and they had increasing concerns that perhaps he was moving from just being radicalized by isis perhaps consuming some of the propaganda that we hear about and moving to perhaps carrying out or planning an attack. that's the reason why the officers today and the fbi went to try to talk to him. they certainly didn't expect him to have the reaction that he had, taking out a knife and prompting the officers to shoots him. now, wolf he's one of hundreds of people like this that the fbi is now keeping an eye on. especially in light of the attack last month in garland, texas. >> what do we know about the two associates evan, the two
associates of the suspect that were also apparently under surveillance by the joint terrorism task force? >> that's right. they were also just being watched by the fbi. there was no plan really to go after them today. certainly if the interaction with usaama rahim had gone differently, prps perhaps they would not have been picked up. but now they're being questioned. we know there have been searches down by the fbi and the joint terrorism task force there. we expect right now right now there are no charges against them but we expect to hear more about them in the coming day or so. >> let me bring in tom fuentes. usaama rahim, he is now dead, the suspect, two associates. thar they were under surveillance as well. could this hurt basically hurt the fbi's surveillance program if they were on to something potentially bigger? >> it could be. but they have to make a hard decision. at what point do you approach somebody. if he's carrying around a
military knife, he could plunge that into anybody, and that would take a tenth of a second to ak with nobody there to prevent it. there comes a time when you make the decision that you have to check this person out, you have to at least talk to them and then he pulls the knife sure enough, starts the attack and they gun him down. even if it's not the best outcome you want you'd want to be able to talk to him. you would want to be able to follow him and see if you the conspiracy identified. you don't have much choice in some of these. >> that's a good point. bob, as you know, three possible suspects under surveillance one now dead. the fear is they could have been part of a bigger plot, right? >> exactly, wolf. we have to keep in mind when the fbi and joint terrorism task force puts somebody under surveillance, it's an e morenormous
amount of resources. they had to have good evidence against him that they were going to go operational. they were more than just on twitter following the war in iraq and syria. they had a good reason to approach these guys. let's don't forget in spite of all of the police shootings that fbi and joint terrorism task force are not trigger happy. i have no doubt they felt under threat at this point and that's why they shot the guy. >> what do we know about this guy, usaama rahim. what kind of background does he have? what was he doing? what do we know about him? >> we don't know much about his background as yet. we know cnn spoke to his brother who says that he's an eamon mom on the west coast. he was expecting to be talked to by the fbi. he called his father while waiting before he went into this parking lot where he was finally approached by the officers. i want to add to what bob just
talked about. you know i keep talking to law enforcement officials who keep telling me that they've nod had a certain -- at this level, height of threat that they've noticed as we have right now. the heightened threat especially after garland, it's leading to fbi to do different things. they're shaking the trees more so to speak. they're trying to talk to people because they don't know when people are going from consuming the propaganda in the media by the isis and actually trying to carry out an attack. that's what happened in garland. they don't want that to happen again. >> you worked at the fbi, you agree? >> absolutely. this is a case where they would be looking at the metadata phone records. who have these guys been in contact by telephone, texts, phone calls, e-mails going back two or three years. what are the greater number of people involved in this conspiracy. that's why they're collecting the data so they can go back and
expand the investigation. >> that's going to be more complicated now. >> it may become out and out impossible with two or three,000 phone companies in this country, they're not going to be able to issue the subpoenas or requests on weekend. all of the rhetoric about the program, it is not going to be the same if the legislation goes through that's proposed now. >> it's going to go through. the president of the united states tweeted he's anxious to sign it into law in the next few days. it's a done deal. >> don't call it an intelligence failure when the authorities can't go back aeng identify a greater conspiracy. if people want the privacy, just accept this is what goes with that. >> stand by for a moment. bob, i want to talk a little bit about this other story we're watching right now. a disturbing multiple bomb threats made against airliners today, over the weekend. none of them so far have proven to be credible but it's certainly disrupting air
traffic. congressman peter king told us last week there has been some isis chatter about carrying these types of hoaxes out. what is the appeal for isis in essentially making prank phone calls, threatening bombs on these planes? >> wolf it's a propaganda war. they want to scare us make us anxious. we already are but they want to heighten there. their message is basic. if you come after us in the middle east, we'll come after your airplanes and your cities. they're trying to scare us into not getting involved in the middle east. i think some of the threats they can carry out. i don't know about airplanes. but the more we stay on edge the more they win. >> what if it's just some jerky kid, tom fuentes, who thinks this is fun to disrupt airline traffic, planes coming in an air france plane coming into jfk, having to be escorted by f 16 fight ir jets. it's obviously not only
disruptive, it's worrisome, expensive. somebody who does it even if it's for a hoax that person could wind up in jail for a long time. >> they could if you koumd identified them. >> how difficult is to find them. >> very difficult. >> why is that difficult? >> somebody can go to a pay phone and phone one in. you're going to land the airplane. somebody can use an internet cafe where they can't be identified as the internet holder of the account. there are ways to send these threats in bring the aircraft to the ground cause the searches and the disruption. after 9/11 it wasn't just the crashing of the aircraft and the killing of the people that did damage to our economy. u.s. aviation came to a screeching halt for weeks. no airplanes in the sky. that disrupted business tourism, you name it, students getting to school restaurant, here in washington, the area
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cnn's learned the pentagon may have received one of the shipments of live anthrax from a lab in utah. let's get the latest on the investigation. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is standing by. what are you learning about the shipments, barbara? >> this is a growing story we first reported last week. the army sent shipments of anthrax around the country to various facilities supposed to be for research and testing. all of the anthrax was supposed to be essentially dead. several of the samples may have been live anthrax. now today cnn has broken the
news that one of the questionable samples came to the pentagon. they got the samp l, they were supposed to be using it to calla brat their biodetection gear. now the pentagon trying to figure out whether the sample they got, number one, was it actually dead or live anthrax like other samples and did that anthrax ever come into the pentagon. did it remain outside or did someone bring it in to work on calley calibrating the equipment. let's go to a map very quickly. there are a dozen states across the country now where questionable shipments have been made. three countries, australia, canada and south korea and maryland is already the state that has reported one of its labs confirmed to have gotten these live anthrax samples.
just to underscore where we are, it was three hours ago that cnn broke the news that a sample had come to the pentagon police agency. the pentagon police that protect this building. and so far three hours later, no official word from the pentagon about any of this. >> are they making major changes to deal with this at the pentagon? >> well what we are hearing from our sources is the question now being asked by the pentagon by the centers for disease control, why are so many samples of anthrax, so many shipments around the country being made. they are already trying to review more than 30 samples, 30 people are already on protect ty medical treatment. they have to figure out what happened here what went wrong. >> they certainly do. thank you. coming up we'll get an update on the room-to-room search for survivors on board a cruise ship that capsized when it was hit by a tornado. more than 400 people are now missing.
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we're we're following breaking news the ongoing search for survivors on a cruise ship. morn on that 400 passengers were aboard when a ship was hit by a tornado, went down in china's yangtze river. what are you learning? >> wolf hundreds, maybe thousands of americans take cruises along this stretch of the yangtze river every day. we've been speaking with veteran rescuers diving experts who are telling us what the divers are up against. the positive factors are that the water is shallow and water. everything else is working against them.
a desperate search for any signs of life inside the eastern star. divers battled the swirling currents of china's yangtze river. this diver found someone alive. >> translator: i woman back and forth three times. and by the third time i felt somebody was there above me. as soon as i got out of the water, i noticed the trapped victim. it was pitch dark with just him inside the cabin and nobody else. >> reporter: the hull of the passenger ship is exposed. rescuers tapped on the pull hul with hammers, and a local newspaper reports they heard responses from inside. but veteran divers say these teams have a difficult and very dangerous task. >> just trying to get into the vessel is going to be difficult and let alone trying to explore the ship. for divers who have probably never been in this ship before, going into the ship for the first time when you can't see, you're going by hand over hand. >> reporter: captain greg bauman is director of diving for the u.s. navy. he says the divers in this operation have almost no visibility given the sediment
and pollution of the yangtze. another danger here, where a ferry fight have bigger more open spaces, this is a passenger ship with small cabins. >> there is just a lot of the spaces that you have to go and inspect. and trying to inspect an entire space takes time. >> reporter: in those tight spaces with little visibility the disorientation of darkness and everything being upside down. >> much more likely for a diver to get caught on something or maybe trapped in there, right? >> absolutely. >> the diver, as much as the harness and the umbilical is there to save the diver and provide the diver an unlimited amount of air, it is easy to get entangled on things. >> reporter: other options are limited. could holes be drilled into the hole to try to get oxygen or lifelines to potential survivors? one expert says it's a dangerous. >> all it will do is vent the air off and the water will rush in and the people will die. you want to maintain the air pockets. >> reporter: but pumping in air through hoses would work. >> it will get air into pockets where people could potentially
survive, and it will give lift to the ship. so it helps bring it up out of the water a little bit. >> reporter: experts say another factor working against these teams, the majority of the passengers that ship are between 50 and 80 years old. at those ages prolonged exposure to the water to the other elements reduces chances for survival wolf, and they're up against it with time now. it's been several hours. >> reporter: we understand the captain actually did get off alive. is there any suggested dereliction of duty or anything along that nature? >> it's one thing you look at because of what happened with that korean ferry the sewol. it's his duty to try to make sure they get off safely. but one rescue specialist told us tonight you have to hold off on that judgment for now because there was a storm. the captain may have been on the deck trying to solve some of the problems. he may have gotten knocked overboard by this tornado or whatever else hit that ship. so you have to hold off judgment tonight. but it is something you have to look at. >> brian todd thanks very much.
i want to go to the rescue efforts under way right now. cnn's david mckenzie is right near the scene of the disaster. daybreak over there. what is the latest over there, david? how does it look? >> reporter: wolf, if you can hear me, i lost you there but here on the scene at the yangtze river, there is scores of soldiers coming to try and help with the situation. it has been more than 24 hours since the ship went down. and certainly the prospects are looking very dim indeed whether any survivors can be pulled out. we've been kept back from the main search staging area by the chinese military. in fact, there is heavy military presence in this region. they say that they've confirmed there was a tornado that hit this vessel which pushed it over extremely quickly. and that's contributing potentially to the lack of survivors and the grim news. several hundred are still missing, most of them elderly on board this vessel. and as the hours tick by, the prospect of pulling anyone out
of this murky water in dangerous diving conditions is very worrisome indeed. >> it certainly looks grim indeed. david mckenzie on the scene. i want to bring in the former managing director of the ntsb peter goelz. it looks grim right now. what is your analysis? >> i think it's going to be a very tough accident. finger we haven't recovered people already, there is very high probability we're only going to recover perhaps a few miraculous survivors. >> could a tornado like this actually tip that boat over? >> well it depends on the design of the boat. you know we saw in the korean ferry accident that there were design changes to the boat that made it unstable. they had not correctly lashed down their vehicles. but in this case they're going to look very carefully at the stability of the boat. the chinese authorities are going to be very tough on this investigation. >> they certainly will be. we're going have more on this in the next hour. peter, stand by for that.
also coming up, a suspect who is under surveillance by a terrorism task force is shot by authorities in boston, officials now say. he was part of a wider terror probe believed to be influenced by isis. and air traffic disrupted. a new series of bomb threats aimed at airliners here in the united states. who is behind the threats? ♪ eenie. meenie. miney. go. more adventures await in the seven-passenger lexus gx. see your lexus dealer.
tracked by the fbi. flights targeted. new bomb threats are revealed and air traffic is disrupted as the tsa a reels from a huge shake-up. tonight grave concerns about the ability of airport screeners to detect hidden explosives or weapons. deadly cruise disaster. hundreds are missing after a tornado hits and flips a passenger ship. we're following the frantic rescue operation under way right now. and disturbing video. a car explosion and fire captured by a police dash camera. stand by for details. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news tonight. stark new evidence that isis has its tentacles here in the united states recruiting and influencing would-be terrorists. sources tell cnn a man shot and killed today by boston police was being tracked around the clock as part of a broader terror investigation.
it's believed 26-year-old usaama rahim was radicalized by isis. police say he brandished a large military-style knife when he was approached by police officers. republican presidential candidate former new york governor george pataki, he is here. we'll talk about the terror threat and much more. and our correspondents and analysts they're also standing by as we cover all the news breaking right now. first, let's go our national correspondent deborah feyerick. she has the very latest on what happened in boston. deb? >> local authorities are questioning two men they believe are in contact with the knife-wielding suspect. and the suspect's own brother is disputing the official version of what happened. [ siren ] >> reporter: the shooting occurred just before 7:00 a.m. in a cvs parking lot in a boston disturb. investigators from the joint terrorism task force approach suspect usaama rahim, sources say, to question him about threats he had made against police officers.
>> the level of alarm brought us to question him today. i don't think anyone expected the reaction we were going to get out of him. [ siren ] >> reporter: authorities say investigators did not have their guns drawn when rahim pulled out a large military knife and began moving towards the officers. >> they kept retreating verbally giving commands to drop the weapon drop the weapon. and at some point, the individual's proximity came close that the officers were in danger their lives were in danger. when two officers discharged their weapons. >> reporter: the suspect was shot twice, once in the abdomen once in the torso. he died of gunshot injuries at a nearby hospital. >> the prophet of islam is the prophet of mercy, not bombs. >> reporter: rahim's brother, a well-known boston imam now living in california gave a different version of events posting on facebook imam
ibrahim rahim says his brother was waiting for a bus to go to work when he was confronted by three officers. he writes his younger brother, quote, was on his cell phone with my dear father during the confrontation, needing a witness. his last words to my father who heard the shots were "i can't breathe." a law enforcement official says usaama rahim appears to have been radicalized online by isis and other religious extremists. he was recently put on 24/7 surveillance after fbi agents noticed a change in his behavior and decided to question him. >> there was no arrest warrant for him there was no intention to arrest him at that point. >> reporter: investigators were questioning two of rahim's associates the head of boston's fbi saying the threat appears to be contained. >> we don't think that there is any concern for public safety out there right now. >> reporter: andra heem's brother, the boston imam has been a vocal critic of isis.
he told cnn's brian todd back in 2013 that he would not officiate at tamerlan tsarnaev's funeral because the boston marathon attack was so contrary to the principles of islam. we did reach out to a local mosque. the spokesperson there saying they're hoping to get a lot of answer to a number of outstanding questions. >> i'm sure they have tons of questions. thank you so much. also tonight, homeland security officials are investigating new bomb threats against commercial airliners here in the united states. at least four flights were targeted today after a series of threats about a week or so ago. all this coming amid new controversy surrounding the tsa and serious revelations about failures by airport screeners. our aviation correspondent rene marsh has the latest information for us. rene, what is going on? >> it's a taxing situation for local law enforcement. this morning alone, multiple airlines dealing with bomb scares. a united flight to chicago targeted. a delta plane to atlanta targeted. a us airways flight to philadelphia also targeted. and a fourth plane after it left
portland, oregon headed to mexico also received a bomb threat. we do not know at this hour the source of these threats. but law enforcement now investigating. in all of these cases, passengers were deplaned and the aircraft checked. nothing was found. of course, this comes on the heels of multiple threats to new york-bound planes during the memorial day weekend. that also included an air france flight. coincidentally the series of bomb scares come as we are learning more about tsa failures in detecting prohibited items at airport checkpoints, and now a major shake-up at the top of the agency. >> reporter: acting tsa administrator melvin caraway out, after embarrassing news an undercover operation designed to test tsa's ability to detect explosives and weapons at airport security checkpoints yielded a 95% failure rate. >> if in a test the tsa is
failing 95% of the time they're failing the american people. >> reporter: cnn has learned undercover teams who smuggled weapons and fake explosives past security were not weapons experts, security or law enforcement. they were regular staff with the department of homeland security inspector general's office. they performed 70 tests. tsa officers failed 67 times. a poor performance not even recently retired tsa head john pistole can defend. >> this is very disconcerting, completely unacceptable to have a high rate of failures like that. >> reporter: homeland security secretary jeh johnson now wants screening procedures revised, more training for tsa officers and screening equipment reevaluated. >> they have invested over the years billions of dollars in stuff that doesn't work. remember the puffers? those whole body imaging machines? those things don't work. >> reporter: tsa has a workforce of 46,000 screeners, billions
have been spent on training and equipment. the agency has been dogged by controversy for years, from backlash against revealing full body scanners to pat-downs many find intrusive. >> you're arresting a kid? >> yeah. >> reporter: the focus now preventing terrorists from exploiting vulnerabilities undercover teams exposed. >> tsa has failed in terms of its ability to detect in this particular circumstance. the good news is that millions of prohibited items have been found over the years. i mean thousands of guns tens of thousands of knives and other stun guns and things like that. >> reporter: well today we heard the president's thoughts on all of this. he believes the american people should feel confident traveling because he says there are multiple layers of security but, wolf he is urging congress to confirm his nominee for tsa head. of course tsa has been without a
permanent leader for last five months. so that's a pretty long time and counting. >> yeah jeh johnson, the secretary of homeland security that oversees the tsa has to make sure it works. a lot of passengers throughout are hearing this and they're going to be nervous. >> exactly. >> rene, thanks very much. we have more breaking news we're following now in the fight against terrorism. just a little while ago, the u.s. senate approved a bill to reform domestic surveillance by the national security agency. the measure now heads to the president's desk almost two days after at least some nsa powers expired, and after weeks of political wrangling. our chief correspondent dana bash is up on capitol hill. dana after all the debate the vote to approve was overwhelming in the senate as it was earlier in the house. it now goes to the president for his signature, right? >> that's right. it wasn't even close, wolf. 67 senators voted to approve it. and the president actually just released a statement moments ago
tweaking the congress saying after needless delay and inexcusable lapse, he is glad we're finally going to get this bill. the bottom line you had this very unlikely alliance of the president of the united states house republicans, who are usually his chief opponents on so many issues supporting him in passing this patriot act with these controversial programs but with reforms. many in the senate agreed. the person who disagreed was the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who you're hearing right now. he thought the reforms weakened the program, made this country less safe. that's why he was trying to change it. and at the end of the day, he did not prevail. having said all that wolf this all could have and should have been done a long time ago. it went right up to the wire even over the wire. at the end of the day, that was primarily because his junior colleague from kentucky rand paul as we all know launched a filibuster waged a filibuster. and he kind of bested the majority leader on tactics and on the politics of this.
and he certainly has been effectively running on this issue on the campaign trail. for president. >> all right dana thanks very much. dana bash up on capitol hill. let's talk about the threat of terrorism to the united states. joining us the republican presidential candidate george pataki. he was the new york state governor including during and after 9/11. governor thanks very much for joining us. >> good evening, wolf. nice being with you. >> thank you. you've said that now is probably the most dangerous time for americans since september 11th. why do you say that? >> well that's right. just listen to the news you just had on about the joint task force killing someone they had been radicalized by isis here in the united states. we had the incident a couple of weeks ago in garland, texas, where american citizens who had been radicalized, they -- isis says by them are about to conduct a massive attack against
the u.s. citizens but for what texas cop that would have happened. let me give you one other point, wolf. >> go ahead. >> after that attack in garland, texas, the fbi director said there are hundreds of people out there like these attackers, probably thousands. we don't know who they are. we don't know where they are. we have a weakened intelligence law now, sadly. and we have no strategy against isis. this has got to change. >> had you been in the senate today, how would you have voted on this compromised legislation? >> i would have voted for this law. but i think it would have been better if it had been amended so that the phone companies were required to keep phone records so that in appropriate cases nsa could access them. look at boston today. if in fact the person who was killed by the task force had been radicalized, had been communicating with others about attacking americans, i would like our intelligence to be able to go get a court order and find out who he to here in the united states who might want to carry out attacks. i'm not sure that could happen now. >> because under the new law,
the compromise version that was passed today by the senate earlier passed by the house, phone companies like at&t verizon, they're supposed to keep all these records that could be accessed. but it's unclear how long they have to keep them for. >> that's right. and they're not required to keep them for any period of time. and that's an amendment to the usa freedom act that if it hadn't been for this filibuster i believe the senate would have passed and the house would have ultimately agreed to. i think it's unfortunate in these very dangerous times we have weakened intelligence at a time when we need enhanced intelligence. and as i was saying, all of these incidents point back to isis. and instead of degrading and destroying isis they grow stronger because we do not have an effective strategy. and that has got change. >> if you were commander in chief, president of the united states right now give me two or three things you would try to do immediately. >> immediately i would begin providing arms and training directly to the on the ground troops fighting isis, the
kurdish, peshmerga sunnis sheiks who are anti-isis. i would put american advisers with them. right now three out of four of our air force launches our air sortees result in us not dropping any bombs because they can't tell the good guys from the bad guys. we need observers to provide that i would ramp up the bombing attack. and if necessary, i would do what we did two weeks ago, launch a quick strike destroy their training and recruitment centers, and then get out. that's against isis. here i would look to strengthen the usa freedom act. i would require those utility phone companies to keep the records for some time. i think it's hasn't that ns have the ability to access the records. >> how worry ready you that this conference that is going on in paris right now by the coalition, all these countries fighting isis, that the central iraqi government of the prime minister haider al abadi is there, but he didn't invite any representatives from kurdistan, from northern iraq, from the kurds to come participate.
as you know the peshmerga that you want the u.s. to arm directly they're fighters. they're fighting isis. but they're not even represented there. >> absolutely. i'm very concerned about that. but that has been the problem. one of the problems is our administration insists that all military assistance go through the baghdad government. the baghdad government is not getting that to the peshmerga, to the kurds. they're not getting it in anbar to the sunni sheiks or anti--isis. we have to do stop doing that through the baghdad government, have more observers and advisers on the grounds, on the ground, working with them so that instead of having iranians telling the baghdad i forces what to do we will have the americans having them act to ools actual take out isis' ability. >> some other issues coming up in the presidential campaign. much more with governor george pataki when we come back.
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at least four commercial airliners. governor these bomb threats have been made against these planes today over the past several days isis sympathizers may have been behind more than a dozen threats, in fact, over the past week or so. none have materialized. but they are very, very disruptive. all this coming, as you know, the tsa under increasing scrutiny right now because of the failure that they had. the department of homeland security inspector general tested them 70 times, trying to get explosives through or weapons or ammunition. 67 times they got through these screeners. what would you do to fix the tsa? >> you know it's just incredible. 95% failure rate at something that is so important as providing for the safety of people on a plane. or our national security if those planes are hijacked. and we just have to as has begun, throw out the top administrators put in people who know what they're doing,
professionalize it to the extent necessary. it certainly is not from the lack of resources. the resources are there. but, wolf beyond that it's one thing to screen americans as they're getting on planes. if we're doing it we have to do it right. but we have to go after the radicalization of americans and others at its root cause. and it's isis and it's things like using the internet to radicalize americans here. and we've got to stop that and let me just give you one other thing i do. i'm a great believer in the first amendment. but you can't shout fire in a crowd theater. well cannot sit back and allow people to try to radicalize americans, encourage them to attack their fellow americans or hijack an airplane and think that that is freedom of speech. it's not. it's crying fire in a crowded theater, and we should shut that down and prosecute those engaged in it. >> let's talk about your effort to become the republican presidential nominee.
and correct me if i'm wrong, i believe you support gun control. you support a woman's right to abortion. you don't support same-sex marriage. here is a question. is there room for a moderate republican like you to capture the republican nomination given what it takes in iowa new hampshire, south carolina these other states? >> you know, wolf what i would say to that is i'm a great believer in the constitution and the 10th amendment. and that leaves issues that aren't directly given the authority for congress to the states. so i would leave issues like marriage to the states. i would uphold the constitution when a supreme court makes a ruling whether i agree with it or not. and by the way, wolf i think most americans and most americans are concerned about our national security and our safety. we're not doing enough to provide for our safety. they're concerned about the economy. we've had a very weak recovery. and the first quarter we actually had negative growth. we need greater job growth and economic growth. and i also think they're concerned about the fact that washington is really separate
has really become almost like an island on to itself and not a part or reflecting the wishes of the american people. and we need to reform how washington operates. just one example, over 400 former members of congress are registered lobbyists in washington. i would pass a law. you serve one day in congress either house, there is a lifetime ban on your ever being a lobbyist. take back washington. grow the economy, provide or our national security. that's what republicans and democrats and independents understand we have to do in the next four years. >> i want to get your reaction to something controversial that emerged today involving one of your colleagues who is seeking the republican nomination. mike huckabee, the former arkansas governor actually said this back in february. but the story in a video is now only surfacing, referring to transgender children in schools, sort of making fun of the fact that some of these kids want to go into the girls locker room as opposed to the boys locker room.
i want you to listen precisely to what he said. this emerging right after caitlyn jenner's announcement yesterday. watch this. >> i wish someone had told me when i was in high school that coy have felt like a woman when it came time to take showers in p.e. i'm pretty sure i would have found my feminine side and said coach, i think i'd rather shower with the girls today. >> so what is your reaction? it's getting a lot of was out there. are his comments appropriate? >> well i think it was meant in humor. obviously he didn't mean it seriously. but i think the more important point is we should give people their dignity and let them make their own decisions. people often make decisions that i don't agree with but in a government where it's supposed to be of the people if someone chooses a path that is different from mine we should respect that as opposed to mocking it or in any way trying to prevent that. >> governor pataki, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. nice being on with you. >> thank you. and please be sure to join us
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there is breaking news in the case of a washington, d.c. family found slain inside their burning mansion along with their housekeeper. we're now getting some new information about evidence implicating the suspect in police custody. our justice correspondent pamela brown is here with new information. what are you hearing from your source pamela? >> wolf we're learning that traces of blood from one of the victims in the quadruple homicide inside the d.c. mansion were found on daron wint's shoes after he was arrested. these are the shoes he was wearing when he was arrested. this is according to law enforcement officials who spoke to me and my colleague evan perez. apparently the traces were found following a forensic analysis of all of his belongings. this is in addition to what authorities say they found on
the piece of pizza crust inside the home daron wint's dna on that pizza crust. we spoke to his attorney who just visited him behind bars a few days ago, and wint tells us through his attorney that he is innocent, that he was not part of this crime, that this was an inside job, and he wasn't part of it. we know he worked for the savopoulos family more than ten years ago. and police do not believe that he acted alone. they believe there is more suspects but so far he is the only one named in this case. wolf? >> pamela, stand by. i want to bring in the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. he is our cnn law enforcement analyst. your reaction to what pamela is now reporting. >> i think it's one more piece of forensic that makes it more compelling that he was involved in the homicide. that attorney said that he couldn't have possibly left dna on the pizza crust because he doesn't like pizza. i suppose he doesn't like shoes either? >> you're saying there is evidence of the dna on the pizza crust. his lawyer says he doesn't like
pizza, he doesn't eat pizza so it couldn't be his dna. >> we're following more breaking news sources telling cnn a man shot and killed by boston police was believed to have been radicalized by isis and had been under 24-hour surveillance in a terror investigation. let's dig deeper on this very disturbing story with our cnn national security commentator, the former congressman mike rogers. he was chairman of the house intelligence committee, and former cia counterterrorism official philip mudd. he is our cnn counterterrorism analyst. phil this terror suspect usaama rahim, he had been under surveillance by the u.s. joint terrorism task force for some time. what do you make of what is going on? at least a couple of years, they had been watching him looking for a change of behavior, looking what he is doing on social media. it's unclear what prompted them to move in today, though. >> there is a couple of things you need to note here, wolf,
that differentiates. this recently you recollect a few weeks ago we had the garland case. you need to book in the garland case with what we saw in boston today because it gives you a snapshot of different types of counterterrorism investigations. if you're running these investigations you have to tier them. you to decide which ones decide a lot of resource which ones like to garland case where they didn't know the guys were traveling to that cartoon event, that case is a relatively low tier because you don't have surveillance. in this case, we're learning some clues. number one, as you mentioned, you've got physical surveillance on the target. in my world, that means it's a pretty high-tiered case. they have something on this guy that we don't know about yet. you don't go up against somebody like that with people on the street without pretty good information. in the second the fbi was talking about a level of alarm when they went to talk to the subject. they weren't just interested in what he was up to. they weren't just curious. they had something that triggered them to say we want to talk to this guy. so the amount of surveillance
coupled with the fact that they're talk openly about a level of alarm tells me there is more to this story we don't know. >> mike rogers before you became a congressman, you served in the fbi. you understand that mentality. is there now some sort of more aggressive effort by the fbi in the aftermath, for example, what happened outside of dallas in garland, texas? >> this is the biggest challenge they have. and there are cases now against isis in every single fbi office that we have across the country. so they're going to have to make these priority choices. so what we think happened in this particular case there has been some discussion that he did make statements about killing police. he kind of crossed the line. they saw behavioral changes that put him under 24-hour surveillance. any time you commit the resources to a 24-hour surveillance, that is a very intense likely high priority case. and i think that's the decision matrix they have to go through. they're not going get all of these right. this is one they got exactly. >> you were the assistant director of the fbi, tom. what is your analysis?
>> i think some way. you have the situation where they have to tier the cases as phil mudd said. you know when somebody looks like they're going operational, and this guy takes a knife a gigantic knife out with him, it looks like they were right. he was going do something. and they can't just wait until half a second later, he plunges that knife into somebody. or if i could add one more thing, that knife looks an awful lot like the knife being held by jihadi john being held in the videos right before they beheaded people. so isis has been asking people to do that. they asked it in the australia case. get a hold of an innocent hostage, behead them. put it on video. we'll put it out around the world that could have been what this guy was up to as well. >> phil mudd, what is your analysis of all these threats that are going on right now, these bomb threats against airlines coming in to the united states flying around the united states. so far they're all hoaxes. but do you suspect this is some sort of sophisticated isis plot to try to disrupt u.s. airline traffic? because it is very disruptive.
>> i think we have to differentiate between an isis plot and people who are simply sympathetic with isis and decide if i don't have the capability to go operational the easiest thing to do is mike idle threats. when you the cat and mouse game of the feds chasing isis sympathizers particularly when you're looking at electronic surveillance, that is people up on the internet, the feds win. in the 21st century, sometimes people potentially like the people who are committing these threats have access to over-the-counter internet tools that make it very difficult to follow them. we may be seeing in this case the next generation of threats, that is people who are looking around and have some technical capability and can stay out of the clutches of feds because they're anonmizing. >> a special report what should the u.s. do now? that airs once again 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn.
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investigating a shocking car explosion and fire. the incident was captured on a police dash camera. we want to warn you, the images are graphic and disturbing. according to cnn affiliate kxan officers approached the driver earlier this morning when he jumped back into the vehicle and said i think i'm going set the car on fire. one of the officers reportedly ah the driver with a lighter in his hand. investigators believe that the vehicle had fuel in it. the driver and two officers were hospitalized. authorities are investigating whether it was a suicide atempt. there is an urgent meeting about isis happening in paris right now. representatives of 24 companies fighting isis are discussing strategy in the wake of shocking gains by the terrorist forces. our chief national security expert jim sciutto is joining us with more on what is going on. what you learning? >> an urgent meeting but no change of strategy despite rapid isis gains in recent weeks that
is sparking disappointment from the leader haider al abadi. he says he sees talk of support but sees very little on the ground. when a few thousand lightly armed isis fighters swept through iraq a year ago, they caught baghdad, the u.s. and the world offguard. since then the terror group has grown into an international threat. with an alarming capacity for brutality. executions meant to shock and horrify. >> our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> reporter: spurred into action by isis' alarming advance, less than two years after he withdrew all u.s. forces from iraq president obama launched an ambitious air campaign. >> we're going to start -- >> reporter: deployed some 3,000 u.s. military advisers and trainers, and vowed to wipe out the group. >> our objective is clear. we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil. >> they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell. >> reporter: but nine months
after the campaign began, isis still controls hundreds of square miles of syria and iraq. its map of control and influence virtually unchanged in the last several months and marked by new isis victories in ramadi and around the crucial baiji oil refinery. all this in the face of an international anti-isis coalition, comprising some 60 nations. and iraqi and kurdish ground forces numbering in the hundreds of thousands. >> isil continues to commit serious, vicious crimes and still controls more territory than al qaeda ever did. >> reporter: crucially, isis has already achieved the goal contained in its name establishing an islamic state. it runs hospitals, schools, and a business empire with an estimated daily income in the millions of dollars. and isis fighters and supporters appear to be true believers. devout to the point that they would sacrifice anything for a terrorist group some compare to
a cult. >> they believe that they are the true army of islam that is coming to save islam. that explains their violence and their brutality as well. anybody who stands in our way, this is what we will do to you. >> driven by that intense commitment isis has shown a remark ability to innovate to break through iraqi defenses it built giant suicide truck bombs on the hulks of u.s.-made and u.s.-supplied armored vehicles. beyond iraq and syria, isis is now expanding its influence with armed affiliates in libya, egypt, yemen, and signs of new support in afghanistan and pakistan. and isis has attracted more than 22,000 foreign fighters from 100 countries, some 4,000 of them westerners, including approximately 180 americans. >> if i were to say that we had it under control, i would say i knew of every single individual traveling. i don't.
and i don't every person there and i don't know everyone coming back. it's not even close to being under control. >> reporter: from his hospital bed in boston secretary of state john kerry said that a first shipment of anti-tank a missiles from the u.s. will arrive in iraq as soon as this week. but on weapon shipments as well there is disappointment from the iraqi leader who told reporters today at that conference that he hasn't seen much. and wolf, that's a consistent theme. year hear that from the iraqis as well on the assault from ramadi. they said that they didn't have the air support from the u.s.-led coalition that they wanted that complaint not sparking any change to strategy in this conference in europe. >> jim sciutto, thanks very much for that report. an important note to our viewers. we'll be back later with a special report isis, what should the u.s. do now, 9:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. just ahead, hundreds of people missing after a cruise ship is hit by a tornado and capsize. we're following the desperate search for survivors. [ male announcer ] ours was the first modern airliner, revolutionary by every standard. and that
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we're following breaking news. a desperate search for survivors of a cruise ship. it capsized in a severe storm that spawned a tornado. brian todd is with us working the story. what's the latest. >> tonight, we're told the ship might have been hit by a small tornado, and it happened so fast the captain didn't have time to send a distress signal. the ship called the eastern star had been making several stops on its journey up the coast from the coastal cities to the city hundreds of miles inland. the river is the third longest
river in the world. it stretches about 4,000 miles from the coast into tibet. what are these rescuers up to? we have spoken with veteran rescue divers who say the good news is the water here is shallow, only about 50 feet deep at this point and it's warm. everything else is working against these divers. we're going to show you the overturned hull of the ship. there's a view from above. now, the water here has a lot of swirling current. the visibility here this is the real problem, the visibility in the river here is near zero with all the sediment. you can see how dirty the water is with all of the sediment and pollution, one rescue specialist told us the vizsibility is in centimeters. he said it's quote, like diving in soup. >> it's tougher to pull people out of than let's say, a ferry. >> that's right. we're going to show you a picture of the eastern star obviously before the disaster happened. veteran rescue divers say unlike a ferry with bigger rooms.
more open spaces this is a passenger ship with smaller cabins. divers have to search cabin by cabin by cabin, and going inside a wreck is one of the most dangerous things that divers can do with the tight spaces the lack of visibility the disorientation everything being upside down it's easy for divers to get caught on something, get trapped inside the ship. these guys taking huge risks tonight to try to find some survivors, more than 400 people wolf remain missing, and these guys are up against it tonight. they also have to watch for the weather coming in because it's very unpredictable. >> very disturbing. we'll stay on top of the story. >> other news we're following, political news. troubling numbers for hillary clinton in an exclusive poll. it shows the ratings falling in some key areas as she makes her second bid for the democratic presidential nomination. let's get more from our chief political analyst gloria borg borger brianna keilar and jeff
zulanny, who are with us. hillary clinton's favorables have dropped to 46%, down from 53% in march. her lowest favorable numbers since 2001. is this just a reality of being a candidate? what's going on? >> it is partly the reality of being a candidate. when you say it's down as far as it was in fwoun2001 that's when she got back into really entered the political fray going into the senate. that's certainly part of it. if i'm hillary clinton, what i'm looking at and what i'm concerned about is a dip in certain areas. does hillary clinton inspire confidence. down 9% since march. is she honest and trust worthy down 8%. does she care about people like me that's what democrats and independents who lean democratic were asked. that's down 6 persh%. that's very concerning. maybe the good news for hillary clinton is when people were asked or democrats were asked, is she a candidate of the future does she represent the past or the future more than half said she is a candidate of
the future. that's been holding steady since before she declared her candidacy. >> jeff if you take a look the honesty and trust' worthy going from 52% to 42% now. >> it's not a good number and not all surprising if we think back to what's been happening. there's been a steady drum beat of stories about her private e-mail server the benghazi the clinton foundation. her campaign is not that surprised by this and they say it's not a worrisome sign yet. i'm not sure i totally believe them but one of the things is, one of the worryisome signs is the independents. if you look at independents in this if you dig deeper 52% in march had a favorable view of her. only 41% now. those are those voters she needs, of course but overall here many politicians are not viewed very well. she's being thrown into the barrel. she's not being viewed as a new
type figure a fresh face. >> she's still strikingly dominant in the democratic field. >> this is a general election problem. >> it is general. not primary. >> as you saw in the numbers. hypothetical matchups between various republicans, it gets close among several of those republicans and her. >> yeah it's very close, and that's interesting, too, if you look at independent voters in those matchups because lots of those independent voters are looking at these republicans. that's why you have so many republican candidates getting into this race because they believe that history is with them that after two dermsterms of a democrat it's difficult to get a third term of a democrat. they believe she's completely beatable one-on-one. the question is who they nominate. >> there's no republican front runner but in our new poll marco rubio is doing well. >> he's probably a little high from where he wants to be. they're happy over there because they like being everybody's second choice. right? and he is in the top tier of
candidates which means he'll get into the first fox news poll. but marco rubio is somebody who generationally also has an advantage because brianna was talking about the past and the future. when you look at jeb bush and you ask voters generally, does he represent the past or the future? 62% of them say jeb bush is the past. so in his case his family name the brand, is not helping him. >> a disturbing number for bush. >> that certainly is a disturbing number for bush. i would say on the rubio front, this is something i find intriguing because i think i remember writing a story over a year ago about likely a republican worst case scenario for hillary clinton running in agest sort of message. now, it hasn't worked before but when you look at someone like marco rubio, who if he were to be the nominee, if he were to win, would be the first hispanic president. he's significantly younger than her.
and i think if you compare perhaps energy levels that becomes evident when you see someone his age compared to her age. >> she's 67. he's what 44? something like that. let's talk a little bit about the hypothetical matchups jeff. statistical dead heat hillary clinton versus marco rubio, rand paul scott walker but against jeb bush in our new poll she wins 51% to 43% for jub bush. more bad news for him. >> it is. this is hypothetical in every way at this point, but it shows for her, she had a double digit lead. she was leading some 18 poins, some 16 points over all these people so she's kind of come back down to earth, because as brianna said she's a politician now again, but for jeb bush you're right. he's not getting the benefit of the bush family name. it was 16 years ago this month, next week, actually, when george w. bush got into the race the first big rally in iowa. boy, how times have changed to be a governor named bush right
now. so much different. as we are been talking about throughout the day. >> and back then when the poll question was asked about the bush family name 42% said they would be more likely to vote for w. because of his connection to his dad. and the bush family. and now that's totally flipped on jeb. now, the brand, right, doesn't really work for him any more. and the reason hillary clinton, who also has a brand, can be seen as more of the future is because of her gender. >> let's see what happens after he formally announced. he still hasn't formally announced he's a candidate. let's see if he gets a bump out of that. see what's going on. thanks very much. remember later tonight, don't forget we'll take a closer look at the stunning and brutal rise of the terrorist force sweeping the middle east isis what should the u.s. do now? "the situation room" special report airs tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern. remember you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me.
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