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it with a ten-foot pole. you can convert that ten-foot pole to metric on your own because we're in america. we don't do that here. >> tom foreman, thanks so much. that's it for "the lead." i am jake tapper turning you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." just a few meters awaythanks for watch aring. watching. happening now -- isis in america. dramatic new details on an alleged plot to kill police and behead a conservative blogger. we're learning about the suspect's final phone calls and alleged eng alleged encouragement from isis. and isis sympathizers in this country, can the fbi keep up? under siege. isis has a powerful new weapon. water. the terror group controls a major dam and has cut the flow to pro-government towns. and it can now easily launch attacks across the strategic river reduced to a stream. plus -- new clues revealed in the washington mansion murders. a footprint suggests forced
entry into the home and unsealed search warrant were indicates the family's assistant's car was found a block away on the day of the crime. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news the terror plot encouraged to people tied to isis communicating over seas. police killed the suss spektr before he could kill those he called "the boys in blue." police moved in for a final confrontation after learning about an alarming farewell phone call by the suspect. new details are emerging. was it a plot aimed not only at police but a conservative blocker allegedly targeted for a beheading. i'll speak with a former navy s.e.a.l. and our correspondents analysts and guests are standing
by with full coverage. let's get the very late effort pamela brown, on the scene in boston. pamela? >> reporter: wolf just learning from u.s. officials with knowledge in this investigation that one of the three men allegedly involved in the terrorism conspiracy in boston has been communicating online with known isis members. i'm told by u.s. officials that this was more than aspirational. but then it wasn't necessarily specifically directed by these isis members. it's very similar to what we saw in that garland, texas, attack where elton simpson had been talking online to known terrorists. officials are becoming increasingly concerned that this is a pattern that we're seeing among people living here in the u.s. and their online activity. now, today the family of the suspect who was killed usaamah rahim, spoke and through the attorney, said they didn't know anything about rahim's alleged involvement with isis. they cast doubt on that claim coming from authorities, that he was inspired by isis propaganda
and also rahim's aunt spoke here's what she had to say. >> i think he felt threatened and as you all know with the current slaughter of black men going on right now across the nation that's enough to make any and all black men feel threatened. >> reporter: and we have learned that rahim made an an anonymous call to his dad right before the shooting. apparently saying his good-byes. we know that because law enforcement had been monitoring him 24/7. that raised the alarm in the fact he allegedly was speaking to his relative david wright saying he wanted to target the boys in blue. i spoke to the police commissioner here in boston about that and why officers approached him there in the parking lot. here's what he had to say about that. >> we didn't want to get him on the ntba bus because he well could have acted out on the bus,
but we knee the urgency was there, that we will to get to him. >> reporter: so he's saying there they were concerned he was going to board a bus here in boston with one of the three knives he had recently purchased online from amazon.com according to the fbi. there is a third person allegedly involved in all this in rhode island wolf. so far as we know he has not been arrested yet. the investigation is ongoing. >> thanks very much. and shot dead in boston the latest american to fall under the influence of isis and there are worries that the number of sympathizers in this country is growing, and that the fbi simply won't be able to keep up. brian todd is here in "the situation room" looking into this part of the story. what are you seeing? >> reporter: wolf tonight we hear of genuine concern among u.s. officials about a surge in isis sympathizers inside the u.s. ish tos say they're tracking them for signs they're about to mobilize but separating the casual passive followers from those who pose real threats is a growing challenge for law enforcement. boston terror suspect usaamah
rahim, raised in the united states. radical igzedized by isis according to police also raised in the u.s. shot rand killed by law enforcement in garland, texas, as they tried to attack a prost mohammed contest. isis calmed it two of its soldiers. direct communication with isis' best known hacker. tonight a u.s. intelligence official tells cnn there are strong concerns in the intelligence community about a surge in the number of isis sympathizers inside the united states. the fbi is struggling to identify active consumers of isis propaganda. >> there's hundreds maybe thousands. it's a challenge to get a full understanding of just how many of those passive followers are taking action. >> reporter: the passive followers, people inside the united states who have been known to post pro-isis messages on social media. pictures of themselves wearing isis logos.
there's this sympathizer who displayed and isis logo on the phone feet from the white house with a tweet, we are here america, near our target. >> it's done to kind of play off that isis is everywhere. they can reach their enemies. >> reporter: many of them analysts philip smythe says could be poser. experts point out there's been a spike in isis activity inside the united states recently. at least 32 court cases over the past two years of people in the u.s. accused of trying to provide materiel support for isis. surveillance of isis suspects inside the united states is at an all-time high. u.s. facials s officials say isis operatives overseas entice on social media and use encryptic communication. worries about the next step. >> the think to look for, whether isis is playing a role beyond just general support. actually trying to influence targets, trying to influence the kind of action that already
radicalized supporters will end up taking. >> reporter: but saying when isis operatives pick targets it makes them more vulnerable to being picked up by law enforcement. one other thing that could help law enforcement, twitter taking down profiles for users that express favor ability towards isis. every tweet, posting, message, that's a monumental challenge for law enforcement. they're trying to keep up. >> a major, major challenge. thank you, brian todd. and isis has a new weapon. water. the terror group controls a key dam in anbar province and cut the flow of water to loyalist towns. that's also reduced the level of the industry teachic euphrates river making it easier to launch attack. go to our pennell correspondent barbara starr with more. >> reporter: wolf the obama administration likes to say it's a long-term strategy.
it will take years to defeat isis but when you see isis' fast-moving operations its fast-moving tactics on the battlefield you have to wonder if the u.s. has time for that strategy. this low water in a riverbed in ramadi is in attack. isis has closed off a dam north of the city. water, the ultimate weapon in this blistering desert. >> there is this belief of if you control the water, you can control your enemy. which in that part of the world is basically true. >> reporter: controlling the dam you cutting the water flow cuts supply to pro-government towns downstream making it easier for isis to attack and crops to die, local officials say. the dry riverbed also providing a potential root to attack those pro-government towns. civilians have been on the run since isis seized ramadi last month. water, not the only battlefield
tactic. massive ieds inside heavy armored vehicles helped win ramadi the u.s. expecting more of them rushing new anti-armor weapons to iraqi forces. for its part the state department defending tony blinken, the number two official for publicly suggesting 10,000 isis fighters had been killed by air strikes, saying it's a sign isis is under pressure. >> it's never good to have someone who's in the state department talking about the effects of combat operations. and be that's what that was. there is no military person in the world that will support a body count as an indicator of success. >> it's the fact that a serious number of people have been taken off the battlefield. >> reporter: but blinken was using an old number. the latest body count, 13,000 isis killed. >> this will be a long-term campaign. aspects of it will likely take a generation or more.
>> reporter: but a long-term strategy may fall short of understanding iraq's here and now. now, it's not to say that there haven't been some interesting impacts from u.s. air strikes. a u.s. air force general revealed that an air strike happened after intelligence officials saw one of those social media tweets an isis operative had posed in front of something they could identify overseas. a building a command center. they were able to work the intelligence on that and within hours launch air strikes to take out that target. so the lesson to isis in all of this may be the same lesson to all of us. be careful what you post on social media. >> good point, barbara. to baghdad now. our senior not correspondent nick paton walsh is on the scene for us. nick isis famous for brutality, but could the opposition gal galvanize itself and deal with isis in some of the cities
targeted? >> reporter: well that's been the hope for some time but has yet to materialize. look at the geography how this euphrates river cut off affects locals there, they're caught in the pro-government areas between isis-held ramadi and isis-held fallujah further downstream. those caught in between have been crying out for weapons as they have to the south of the area for months. e they haven't got them. dealing with ac 47 mockups, extraordinarily poor on the battlefield and also now facing a severe lack of water. we're hearing reports of dozens of families fleeing that area. so wolf instead of security forces shia fighting groups massing for the counterattack in that area towards ramadi, we're instead seeing fears of a shortage of water, potential as barbara mentioned they could use lower riv per beds and water 4re68s to cross over and hit those pro-government coalition and also normal people supposed
to be the ones fighting for keeping them happy in the sunni heartland, in fact fleeing that area further south. wolf? >> is there any sense you're getting that the iraqi army will actually try to retake ramadi? we know it's been almost a year they've been promising to try to retake mosul. that hasn't even started yet. what about ramadi? >> well the narrative has always flipped from what you expect. and pushing out of anbar, now about recalibrating the strategy to get back what they hadn't lost before the strategy. it's always a mess. now the narrative, of course is well they're losing even more potentially of the ground between ramadi and fallujah because of this absence of water. it's a tricky one, because baghdad had announced the beginning of the operation to retake it. they seemed to be moving in a semicircle around it southwest and east but at this stage, there's no obvious sign they're moving into the urban areas.
rfk in fact the civilians, supposed to be fighting for, sunnis actually leaving themselves because of the problems with the river, going to the heart of whether the government is willing to spry resources to that area to defend that sunni heartland or if simply their chaos, lack of political will some say, will let sunni isis dominate that sunni area faster? without the water, no one can live there. wolf? >> true. nick paton walsh, thanks very much. joining us from baghdad. and joining us here in the "situation room," republican congressman ryan zincy of montana serves on the armed services committee, previously served as a u.s. navy s.e.a.l. commander. congressman, thank you very much for coming in. >> great to be here. >> i want to get to what's going on in iraq now. that ramadi dam and all that other stuff, but do you believe that u.s. law enforcement, the fbi and others are really equipped adequately to deal with this apparently emerging, growing isis threat to the united states?
>> well, this is a die nam irkynamic threat as you point out. no i don't think they are. but we need to take steps revoking passports that are u.s. citizens abroad address women joininging isis ranks. close our southern border down. there's a lot of things we can do within the united states that we're not doing. but it's a serious threat and by the way, the first person that was killed isis was a poor woman from great fall falls, montana. decapitated in a parking lot in oklahoma. as far as way as montana from washington, d.c. it affects us too. >> and there's been evidence if you listen to what fbi officials in all 50 states there's some indication that isis sympathizers are at least are on the loose. >> so i think we have to take it as a serious threat, and look at what we can do to protect our citizens. number one job of the government protect our citizens. >> enough manpourer at work? need more funding for the fbi and other law enforcement? >> they're strempd, particularly
what's happening with the divisiveness and what's happening in baltimore and the mistrust of law enforcement in places locally. that has to be shored up and can really only happen locally. one step or one size fits all mantra from washington, d.c. at the local level oftentimes is not effective. >> talk about iraq. you served in iraq. a navy s.e.a.l. this dam near ramadi. clearly, isis controls it. they're shurting ingshutting it down. water going to the more moderate sunni tribes for example. they lose that water it's over. >> what we're seeing is isis is sophisticated. they have an organization like a cabinet. they have ministries of defense and the ministries it of information, and propaganda, and finance. and municipalities. when they move in they do control the structure, as well as taxes, critical infrastructure. these are very talented individuals doing what they're doing. a lot of them were former sunni commanders from the saddam hussein, you know era. so when they go in and control an area they look at what's
critical and certainly in that area, water remains the most critical resource. >> how do you beat them in this area? because it doesn't look like the iraqi military is really at least not yet, showing up? >> you go back to one of the serious threats that emerged is iran. the shia militia are iran backed and in some cases iranian-led. if you do see territory from the u.s. conceded by isis who controls it? is that area controlled then by iran? is it controlled by shia militia or the centralized government? i've often said it's a free fall. we need a policy of what we're going to do in syria. a policy of whether we're going to shore up directly the kurds and work with the sunni tribes directly because they're not getting support from the centralized government. >> congressman, stand by. we have more to discuss, including the body counts that we're now getting. how many thousands of isis fighters supposedly are being
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secretary of state tony blinken say the u.s. air strikes over the past nearly year have killed 10,000 isis fighters? now they're saying maybe in the last -- an old number. now it's really 13,000. how do they know that? >> reminiscent of the vietnam war. how do they get to these figures? did a number of bombs dropped? pounds of ordnance? certainly no forces on the ground to verify it. our sbil generals the intelligence done by air. speculative at best. >> what's the point of releasing numbers like this? simply to reassure the public the air strikes are working? is that it? >> perhaps an overall dialogue we're win. clearly we're not winning. air operations alone has been a dismal failure and we continue to lose ground. seems every day a policy is again, is in free fall but there remains threats. what are we going to do with syria? what are we going to do with iran? what happens if iran gets a nuclear weapon and can you remove the iranian influence out of the eastern side of iraq?
right now i don't see any indication they're leaving anytime soon. >> you heard barbara starr, pentagon correspondent, report a little while ago. using social media to pinpoint where to attack. they don't have forward control personnel on the ground. they get, see something going on in social media and then launch a strike. does that make sense to you? >> well it makes sense up until it's reported and then of course, isis is sophisticated. they're look at it and probably do a series of false leads. certainly, facebook social media, has become an important part of recruiting and communications. that will continue. they'll be careful on what they present and where they present. but to -- look at our intelligence feeds from facebook and social media, it shows how dismal our intelligence is. >> have you seen the latest reports that iranian troops revolutionary guard forces are actually moving in in major numbers into syria to try to help bashar al assad regime?
>> i've had reports, although i haven't seen confirmation of them. again, it's how far iraq is going to move in or iran, and what happens if we do push isis out? will that area then be backed and controlled by an iranian-backed on heavily influenced or perhaps controlled militia? this is a question that again, whans whan -- what happens, we're seeing the consequences of our not showing resolve, nos showing resolve with allies and hands off, it does have consequences. >> congressman, thanks for coming in. >> always a pleasure. coming up new clues. now revealed in the washington mansion murder case a footprint suggesting forced entry into the home and an unsealed search warrant indicates family assistant's the car was found a block away the day of the crime. t makes me think of a bmw. i feel like i'm in a lexus. you would think that this was a brand
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more breaking news. we're now seeing indications of what's being described as a massive data breach potentially affecting 4 million federal workers here in the united states. the data breach involves the government's office of personnel management and the department of the interior. "washington post," the "wall
street journal," others are reporting the story. we're also now getting official confirmation from the office of personnel management. chinese hackers, according to the newspapers are suspected of breaching the government's computer system last december. let's bring in our justice reporter evan perez. i've been going through the statement released by the office of personnel management here in washington. 4 million workers, their personal identity their information, sensitive information, may have been hacked and now these other news organizations saying chinese hackers may have been responsible? >> wolf the bottom line if there is a government agency that hasn't been hacked it's likely because, it's like people -- probably because they haven't found it yet. this is something that the dhs says now they -- it was part of their detection system opm, the office of personnel management harks a new system in place calmed einstein which basically
helps detect when there's massive amounts of data being pulled out of government computer systems at opm and in particular where they detected this breach. the chinese sources are always the first place that the government looks for possibly intrusion, simply because there's a lot of collection going on they believe. the fbi knows there's a lot of collection going on by the chinese government agencies chinese military of personal data from u.s. government employees. so according to a statement we got from opm and from the department of homeland security, they say that notifications are being sent to 4 million people whose personal information may have been compromised as a result of this breach. the fbi has an open investigation. we have a statement from them now saying the fbi is working with our inner agency partners to investigate the matter and obviously, wolf this is something that will be taken very seriously, because we've seen many other breaches before. we've talked about the breach
ares of the white house, breaches at state department that were intended to steal government secrets. this is different. this is about stealing the information of americans, and what appears to be happening, according to officials i've talked to in recent months the chinese are building a massive database of americans in general. their health care information, and it's not really clear what exactly they're doing this for or what exactly it's going to be used for, but there is a massive effort to collect at much information as possible on americans. >> stand by. i want to expand our conversation now. joining us law enforcement analyst, former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, global affairs analyst former army delta force officer retired it lieutenant general james reese and former democratic congresswoman jane harmon now president of the woodrow wilson center here in walk. tom, this is very disturbing the statement from the office of personnel management. it says they have notified approximately 4 million federal
workers. their most sensitive, personal information may have been compromised. didn't say chinese hackers but that clearly is the suspicion. what's going on? >> the suspicion, they pick opm because every employee from every government agency has their data there. that's where the records are kept of who's working for the government. across all of the agencies across all the branches. so that recordcentrally kept there, retirement records and can easily go into a group of individuals and destroy their credit ratings. could be used for blackmail, extortion and all kinds of dangerous things because if somebody starts to wreck the pay you're receiving from the federal government or the credit you're receiving towards retirement or the pension you're rearing from the government that's pretty serious, and if they can go after hundreds if not even millions of employees, that's a lot to worry about. >> jane harmon what's very disturbing if you look at this. it says that the 4 million
federal workers, their information may have been compromised back in december but now it's june and only now they're being told to take certain steps to protect themselves. that's pretty disturbing. >> well it is -- this whole thing is disturbing. i'm also reading the material that opm just put out. basically a notice to woulders and a press release. it says they detected an intrusion before this april, and then took additional stechs to protect themselves. i assume the additional steps were the installation of the einstein system, which are the whole government uses or many parts of our government. and that's supposed to prevent -- these problems. it's supposed to detect them and then block outsiders from hacking, and that obviously didn't happen here. so maybe you're right. maybe this happened in december and this is the same old intrusion. nonetheless, a six-month delay is a huge problem, and what i worry about is, as congress dilly dallies about passing
cyber security legislation, our government agencies are vulnerable our infrastructure is vulnerable, and our country is vulnerable. >> what about that koeshlcolonel reese? what's your reaction when you hear a disturbing report like this? >> wolf one of the problems goes across the board. a lot of times budgets drive how we look at security and a lot of our security is reactive in nature. see something, try to block it. we do this try to block it. we do this and my company and a lot of people are starting to do this we call persistent penetration. you've got to have people on the outside, a third party, trying to hack your systems, and you try to get there before the hackers from china, from a russia from east africa trying to do these things because as tom said yes they could be nefarious in nature but there's also an economic espionage aspect especially on the chinese side. they start building databases to find out where they can invest
where they can take some of these things and buy these different companies, as most of us know the chinese are swallowing up large swaths of business and other elements of the u.s. infrastructure. >> tom phoofuentes what do you do about that? chinese are the breachers? >> not a lot you can do about it. when they notify 4 million employees your information has been passed probably to a foreign government there's not much they can do about it. can't move. 4 million people aren't going to suddenly change their social security numbers and all their internet accounts move out of their house. it's impossible. you're locked in. if another country has that information, they've got it. >> almost every week we hear of these intrusions wolf. we heard recently wb aun, millions of former and current employees in the postal office. obviously the without and state department more aimed at espionage of national security
information, but this is more i believe, and tom, i think, is pointing to it correctly, which is it's an economic espionage that is the goal here. >> what should the u.s. government do about this? file some sort of protest with the governments of china? jane? >> well, we've done that before. you know round up the usual suspects. we've complained to china bp we don't know based on this information, we don't absolutely know it was the country of china. could be a criminal syndicate running out of chynnaineachina, nunone the less we are vulnerable. we have to be confident when it nois about intrusions it will be protected an its liability protected. that's what this legislation is that congress has not yet passed after years of warnings. we just saw a really bad movie this week in ternltnin terns of the surveillance laws expiring and finally congress picked up the ball.
it's way late to be having a much more robust set of statutes out there to protect america. >> there is a new strategy wolf and i think what jane was talking about, was the strategy of naming and shaming. when they have determined that it is they know where a hack came from. you saw what they did with north korea and the sony hack a few months ago. well, the plan is that now we're going to name and shame. we're going to identify people, or at least the entities military in this case perhaps in china. they charge some military officials, members of the people's liberation army a special hacking group in shanghai that special sizes in this stuff. the justice department national security division, charged individuals in that case. it will be a year before we bring them to court but a worthwhile thing. >> colonel, quickly if you were one of those 4 million federal employees whose personal information, very sensitive information, may have been hacked by chinese hackers, what would you do about it? what should you do? >> well first off, wolf the
government's going to -- put an alert on your systems to see if anything's going out. candidly even when those things happen the chances of people's personal information or pii, being used are pretty slim, but you need to put an alert out there and let all of your credit cards, all of those systems that we live by day to day, got to get it out there and alert it. >> i want you all to stand by. we're going to continue to follow the breaking news. 4 million federal employees, their personal information may have been hacked by chinese hackers. there's other breaking news as well. coming into "the situation room," authorities have just revealed new clues in a brutal murder discovered inside a burning mansion right here in the nation's capital. stand by. we have new information. ♪ take me in, into your darkest hour ♪ ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ yeah! yeah. so, that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled. and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great.
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more breaking news. investigators today revealed new clues in the grisly killings of four people discovered inside a burning mansion here in washington, d.c. while one suspect is under arrest the newly revealed clues raise serious questions about a personal assistant to one of the victims, a man police questioned but have not charged. let's get the latest from our senior washington correspondent joe johns. what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf, in the middle of all this police intensify a search for more clues in the murder of those four people at that house as we learned in court documents more about the employee who dropped off $40,000 there on the same day the savopoulos family died. the personal vehicle of jordan
wallace, driver and assistant to murdered ceo savvas savopoulos was recovered by police a block away from the crime scene on the day of the fire and murders, that according to the latest search warrant. authorities were looking for forensic and philadelphia evidence linking jordan wallace to this offense, the search warrant for the vehicle said but so far he has not been arrested, nor charged. the footprint discovered on the door to the savopoulos home appears to be an important clue in the investigation into the quadruple murder in washington, d.c. according to unsealed court records, "the door is broken neared lock and a shoe or boot print is visible on the exterior suggesting forced entry." >> seeing a boot mark on the door would be a quick indicator to police that firemen wouldn't have done that. >> reporter: the takeaway that whoever killed the family and the housekeeper may have left this print as a clue. blood found on suspect daron wint's shoe when arrested matches at least one of the four
victim law enforcement tell cnn. it's unclear if wint left the print on the door. he remains the lone suspect in the case but police believe he had help. >> i think there's definitely someone else but i think this shows that law enforcement is being very careful and meticulous in not rushing to judgment and locking people up just to close the case. >> reporter: the court papers say on the day of the murders, jordan wallace sent pictures of the cash in a red bag and text messages to a friends who asked how much money? wallace replied. 40. 10:26 a.m. that morning, a text 20 savopoulos that said package deliver $s deliverd. police say he told police someone alerted him to the fact the house was on fire that's why the car was on the next block. and former fbi assistant
director tom fuentes and here and a are toer fbi special agent in charge. what do you make of the developments? i want to be precise. jordan wallace, jordan wallace in this particular case he has not been charged with anything right now only some suspicion. in fact stand by for a mohammediy for a moment. we'll take a quick break. much more when we come back. the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly
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us, as is the former atf special agent in charge. matthew, what do you make of these late breaking developments that they're looking at this vehicle from the assistant jordan wallace. hasn't been charged with any kram but they're looking seriously at what his testimony was, what he was saying. what do you make of this? >> well wolf remember complex investigations are a marathon not a sprint. the fact that he's a suspect remains. and just because he isn't in custody does not make him a suspect. in fact a part of the investigator strategy may be to leave people who they're looking at on the streets for this reason. slong as long as they're out, we can keep going back to them time and time again. if they were arrested on any probable cause at this point and plead the fifth, we lose the measure of investigation. investigators are following leads, talking to people, interviewing interviewing suspects and
witnesses and they're going back to wallace and talking about him time and time again. >> what do you think, tom in. >> i agree completely. you know the aspect of leaving him out where he can still communicate freely and put a psychological squeeze on him in a sense of he knows the police are zeroing in on him. it's common knowledge that the police are going to get him eventually. just the strain for him knowing that shoe is going to drop on him at some point is significant. >> so far one arrest is daron wint. they're looking at others. the police as we've been reporting, you heard joey johns report the police don't believe this individual acted alone. does it look like there was probably a broader conspiracy here? >> of course what you have here let's stop and think. we have the arson, a complex crime. but in addition to that we have the predicate offenses extortion, burglary, murder,
torture and a whole host of other crimes. i don't believe that this crime could have been committed by one person. the investigators know it they're rubbing down leads that lead them to other suspects and relatively soon slow and steady wins the race. we all will see more people in custody in this case. >> forensic evidence they have is pretty good right now. the dna on that pizza slice they found in the garbage can as well as blood on the shoe of the suspect, daron wint. what happens when there's more than one person involved it could be that one was the most savage the most psychopathic to torture the kid. the other ones are not going to want to go down the drain with him. that's where you have the cooperation where people come forward saying it was his idea he did the worst of this. we didn't know anybody would get hurt. the idea that someone at some point is going to cooperate and give up their pals is pretty
huge possibility. >> let's be precise, jordan wallace the assistant has not been charged with any crime. i just want to be precise on that. thanks very much. coming up breaking news a massive cyberattack on the federal government. the personal information of millions of current and former federal employees may be at risk right now. plus dramatic details on the alleged plot to kill police and behead a conservative blogger. officials say the plot was encouraged by isis and we're learning how the suspect's final phone call led police to move in. and never run out. right now, buy an eligible printer and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink. available at participating retailers. the most affordable way to print. hp instant ink.
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happening now, encouraged by isis. we're learning more about the connection between a dead terror suspect in boston and isis fighters overseas. was the terrorist group giving orders to kill police and behead a critic of islam. massive cyberattack. a u.s. government agency is hack. 4 million people could be affected. their personal information at risk. is china to blame? desperate for drugs. baltimore police say stolen narcotics are fueling the surge in violent crime. why is the city realing from one crisis to the other. republican rick perry appears to feel the heat as he launches his second presidential bid. can the former texas governor make a come back after crushing mistake four years ago. we want to welcome our viewers from the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're getting new
information about a massive cyberattack on the u.s. government. the personal data of 4 million federal employees has been compromised. tonight "the wall street journal" and the "washington post" all both reporting that the cyberattack originated in china. also breaking the influence of the terrorist plots in boston. isis members overseas were encouraging the attack communicating with one man who was linked to the plot to kill police officers and behead a critic of islam. state department senior adviser marie harf she's here in "the situation room" to talk about the isis threat and more. and or correspondents analysts are also standing by as we cover all of the breaking news. first let's go to our justice correspondent pamela brown. she's covering the terror plot. she's on the scene in boston. >> reporter: well learning tonight from u.s. officials i've been speaking with that known isis terrorists were
communicating online from overseas with at least one of the men involved in this alleged terrorism conspiracy here in boston encouraging him, driving him to launch an attack here in the u.s. this as we're learning about an ominous phone call by one of the men that put law enforcement on heightened alert tuesday morning. cnn has learned shortly before usaama rahim pulled a knife on police officers tuesday morning, he made a phone call to his father to say his good-byes. the call overheard by investigators who had been monitoring his e-mail and phone activity, putting rahim seen here in a high school photo under crowned the clock surveillance ten days ago. what made you go from this guy could be aspirational to operational? >> the language we were picking up. you know let's get a boy in blue. we couldn't let him out of our sight. when it looked like it was going operational, that we stepped in to action. >> law enforcement was fearful
she was about to board a bus with military knives they knew he had ordered from amazon just last week and that's why the officials approached him outside of the cvs in boston. >> we didn't want to get him on an mta bus, but we knew the urgency was there that we had to get to him. >> rahim was heard on wiretap tuesday morning allegedly planning to attack law enforcement. court documents say rahim met on a rhode island beach this sunday with a relative david wright to discuss the beheading plot. wright was arrested and appeared in court wednesday. and today law enforcement was still outside the rhode island home of a third person whouz part of that beach discussion. authorities have questioned that person already but have not said who it is. >> you have him saying on these wire taps allegedly that he wanted to go after the boys in blue that he wanted to go to new york and behead pamela geller. why wasn't he arrested before this? >> might be hearsay, might be
just you know small talk. the urgency of it really came to light on tuesday morning that this is real. when the knives got delivered, the whole talk of a vacation which was code for violent jihad. >> the fbi says the men were radicalized by isis. and tonight we're learning the terrorist group encouraged the men to carry out an attack. now for the first time rahim's mother and other family members through their attorney are saying that's news to them. >> that comes as an absolute surprise to the family. they had not perceived any conduct or change in demeanor with usaama consistent with those reports. >> reporter: the police commissioner said today that he believes that the conspiracy is contained to these three individuals. but as far as we know wolf that third individual in rhode island has not been arrested. we know that it is still a very active investigation.
>> thank you, palm la brown in boston. tonight law enforcement officials are scrambling to identify other isis sympathizers here in the united states. they fear their numbers are growing rapidly along with the danger of yet more attacks. brian todd is looking into this part of the story. what are you finding out? >> new information tonight, very disturbing from u.s. officials. they're telling us of a surge in the number of isis sympathizers inside the u.s. michael mccall just told us in the past year they have without a doubt he says seen what he calls a precipitous rise in isis sympathizers at home. he says numbering in the thousands. u.s. officials are scrambling to track them. they've got to comb through massive social media to do it, everybody consider passive followers, posting pro-isis messages photos of themselves wear isis logos. one displayed an isis logo on a
phone just a few feet from the white house. but they of course have to track those sympathizers who are operational like this boston terror suspect, usaama rahim. he was raised schooled in the united states. officials said he had been radicalized to isis prior. analysts da vooed ross who tracks the americans who has been radicalized says those men are an example of a trend in america that goes beyond the passive following of isis. >> there's an increase in isis activity. this goes back to last year. you've had, though in recent weeks and months an increase in people who are taking action specifically for isis. you had a few last year and lately you've seen a spike. >> evidence of that spike, the justice department tells was there have been 32 court cases
over the past three years of people in the united states accused of trying to provide material support to isis. >> there could be a dangerous next step here. >> that's right. he wore i ares that the isis operatives overseas are going to go beyond just encouraging them to actually selecting targets. there are suspicions that that's already happened. >> prien, thanks very much. i want to get to breaking news now on a huge cyberattack against the united states government an attack that could affect 4 million fade rale employees. our justice reporter evan perez is digging into the story for us and the information that's coming out is very worryisomeworrisome. >> the initial speculation with these types of hacks is that it comes from china, it appears that the chinese government the
chinese military is building some kind of database of prominent american particularly of interest here is the fact that we're talking about 4 million current and former american government workers, people who are in this database system for the office of personnel management. according to opm they're now in the process of notifying 4 million people that their personal information may have been compromised as part of the hack. we don't know how far along this hack was when it was discovered according to the department of homeland security there's a system that was developed with opm to try to detect when massive flows of data are coming out of their system. and that system called einstein is what helped detect this hack had taken place, this breach had taken place. what now happens, wolf is the fbi's investigating and the opm is going to help pay for credit monitoring to make sure that these people's information is not stolen and used in a malicious way.
>> these 4 million federal employees, they're spread out all over the government. they don't just work in the office of personnel message. they could work in the pentagon the state department the kept of commerce homeland security. because a lot of the personal information about these federal employees that has to be shared with the office of personnel management opm, in order to make the government work. >> that's right. and that's the ingenious nature of the hack is that you're going to the central nervous system really of the federal government employee system. and so with this you can get access to a lot of people. some people in sensitive government positions, for instance who you might have an interest in. if you're a foreign intelligence service. that's one thing that may be at work here. in the old days russians and other intelligent systems simply went to universities and tried to figure out who was of interest for them to spy on. here what they're doing is simply vacuuming large amounts of information from government
agencies. we saw the hack of the state department, the white house, those were for national security secrets. this appears to be more of the nature of economic espionage and perhaps building a database. >> even if you're a federal employee your information potentially could have been hacked by these hackers. evan thanks very much evan perez reporting for us. tonight there's other information we're getting on isis terrorists and they're using a powerful weapon against their enemies in the scorching desert. they've actually closed off a critical dam in iraq cutting off water to towns loyal to the government in baghdad. let's go to our chief national security correspondent jim shoe sciutto. >> basically what you have is isis using the dams as a weapon or potential weapon. let's talk about the ramadi dam here and why it's important.
it's key one for water. these are two towns downstream from ramadi that isis controls that have controlled by iraqi security forces. so the idea of cutting off the water there would of course put them under stress. it's also this. if you block the dam, it drains these marshes here which allow them to advance across what would normally be impassable areas to attack the towns. downstream further you have fallujah also under isis control. the problem is you couldn't cut off water to these guys without affecting these guys but sit something they could use if they were able to assault fallujah down the road. this is one dam we talked about earlier in the year. you remember the fight for the mosul dam up here. why is that important? because behind the mosul dam is an enormous reservoir. this is why u.s. forces as well as iraqi forces were intent on getting this back. if you were to breach that dam it would put all hof these cities downstream not just
mosul, but that gets you into baghdad which is just downriver as well. the mosul dam is in the control of the iraqi forces. but it's the kind of infrastructure that is extremely important in this country and one of them is in isis hands. >> all right. thanks very much. i want to get more on what's going on. joining us now is the state department senior adviser for strategic communications marie harf. thanks for coming in. is this going to change u.s. strategy the fact that isis controlling this area in ramadi this huge dam, they could potentially cut off water to elements in iraq friendly to the united states. what's the impact? >> well it's not going to change the strategy. as jim sciutto just mentioned, we've seen before iraqi forces take action at the mosul dam to make sure they remained in iraqi government hands. look, isil has said and shown in the past they're willing to use
water as a weapon which we know hurts the civilian populations. they have no regard for that. the iraqis have been focused on this for some time. >> do you think the iraqi military has the capability to deal with this? >> i would remind people that that retook mosul dam. they have capabilities that they've used when it comes to this kind of resource. but this is a tough challenge and this could take some time. >> what are your bosses the deputy secretary of state, through out a number that the u.s. arab strikes over one year have killed 10,000 isis terrorists in iraq and syria. what was his point? what was he trying to show? people say this is recommendminiscent of the body counts in the vietnam war. >> not at all. we've really been saying this for months. this is an estimate based on the information we have. but he was saying was really putting it into a broader
context. this is only one metric you look at when you're fighting this kind of conflict that we're engaged in. but it's certainly not the most important one. there's a whole range of ways we look at this whether it's territory taken, finances cut off, whether it's the fact that over 30 countries have now criminalized fighting with a terrorist organization. it's one piece of how we look at the fight against isil. it's not the most important one, just an interesting one. >> i want you to listen to this from the house speaker john boehner extremely critical of the obama administration strategy right now. listen to this. >> i think we're losing ground to isil in iraq and frankly in syria as well. and i don't think that's any surprise -- shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. we've been operating without an overarching strategy to deal with this teesh ris threat. >> is isis winning right now? >> i don't think you'll find it surprising that i disagree with the comments that speaker boehner just made.
overall if you look at the territory in iraq the coalition helped iraqi forces take back quite a bit of territory from isil. there have been gains, there have also been setbacks as we saw in ramadi. we're only nine months into what is really a multi. year strategy. these things are going to take time. we have a strategy in place, we have five lines of effort. only one of them is military and we feel like we're going to keep pushing on all of them pep we have had some gains when it comes to just territory in iraq we have seen progress there. >> we've got a lot more to discuss. when we come back we'll talk about iran its nuclear program, tweets that you've made that have caused a bit of a stir as well. much more with marie harf when we come back.
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. >> we're following breaking news. a massive cyberattack on the united states government. the office of personnel now saying that the personal data of 4 million federal employees here in the united states may have been compromise pd. tonight "the wall street journal" and the washington post are reporting this cyberattack originated in china. we're back with the state
department seen sore adviser marie harf. you're a federal employee. do you know did the cyberattack that the did it originate in china? >> i know they're still looking into the exact origins and really trying to get a handle on exactly what's going on. we don't have more to share publicly. >> but you know that it did or didn't originate china? >> i think they're trying to get all of the details here. as we have more to say, i think we will. >> were these just chinese hackers or were they working with the chinese government if you know? >> there are a number of actors around the world who have these kinds of capabilities. and i think as we determine who is responsible and have more to say, we'll do so. >> are you worried that your own personal information, your information could have been compromised and you're a senior adviser of strategic affairs at the state department, may now, that personal information be in
the hands of the hackers? zbli certainly hope that no one's is. opm sent out a notice to federal employees outlining the steps they can take if they feel they've been compromised. if they're worried about it. i think they're proactive in reaching out to my colleagues and all of us to make sure we feel like there's a way to address this. >> late last year the state department itself and you work there, it was hack as well. >> it was. we talked about that at the time. we sufrds an intrusion, we detected it and taken steps to mitigate. the federal government all of time when we notice intrusions we've taken steps to mitigate them. we continue to update our security. but it's a significant challenge. >> that was a russian hack the state department hack is that right? >> there are a number of actors around the world who can do this but we don't always say who for a variety of reasons. >> let me get to the tweets thisly l twitter war you've had
with david san gar of the "the new york times." he wrote a piece in the "the new york times," coauthored a piece in the "the new york times" citing a report saying that the iranians have increased their stockpile of enriched uranium at a time they're supposed to freeze the stockpile. and you went on twitter saying wrong wrong wrong wrong. i'm parra phrasing now. what did you decide to do that? >> i'm not sure a handful of tweets is a twitter war. look i think we're a month away from the deadline and these are complicated issues and we need to be very precise when we talk about them. it is true that under the joint plan of action iran can fluctuate in terms of the stockpile. they're enriching a very low amount. as long as at the end of the duration june 30th they're back down to where they need to be the 78, 50 kilograms.
they've always gone up and down throughout this period and gotten to where they need to be. if they don't, that will be a problem. but quite frankly, this isn't one of the big issues. there's a number of issues we have to resolve, including how they get all the way down to 300 kilograms. those are the big issues inside the room and i think we wanted to have a little more context out there for people following the issue. >> was the iaeai report wrong from your perspective. >> no. >> or the reportings by the "the new york times" wrong? >> the iea report is accurate -- >> that's what he was reporting. >> he was. but they went on to insinuate that iran was doing something they shouldn't be doing or more importantly, this was a big problem in the negotiations. i've talked to our team about this inside the room. there are some major obstacles in these talks and this issue is important but isn't one of the big obstacles. insinuateing otherwise or that we didn't know the stockpile was
fluctuating just isn't accurate. i can assure you that u.s. officials know what's going on. >> the criticism of you was that the tweets were suggesting you were in effect apologizing and becoming an apoll just for the iranians iranians. >> nothing could be further from the truth here. what i'm defending is the joint plan of action framework that we negotiated with iran and all of the p5+1. the fact that at the end of june they have to get down to a frozen level of low enriched uranium technically means that that part and others are frozen. i was defending the notion that we got an agreement, we've upheld our end of the bargain as has iran. if they don't we have ways of dealing with that. >> any progress in getting these four americans being held by the iranians free as part of this deal? >> these are separate issues and we keep them separate for a good reason. we don't want the fate of the four americans tied to a nuclear agreement that we may not be
able to conclude. we think the three americans being detained should be released on their own for their own reasons because they are being held and they should not be. and we have asked iran to help us locate robert levinson as well the fourth american. we raise this at every round with the iranians. but we don't want them tied to a nuclear agreement that may or may not be successful. >> the secretary of state, you were with him when he fell off his bike broke his fee her. how is he doing? >> he's doing much better. he was up today walking around on his hospital floor on crutches. his doctors are happy with his progress. we're going to stay in boston and come back to washington. he's making calls, he's fully engaged in the business of the state department and back up on his feet today. >> is there going to be a deal with iran? >> we don't know. we're working hard to see if there can be. we know diplomacy is the best way to resolve the issue and we're going to do everything we
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baltimore police and federal officials, they're now trying to identify as many as 70 people suspected of looting drug stores and clinics and stealing massive amounts of prescription drugs. it happened during the riots follow the police custody death of freddie gray. police say the looted drugs are flooding the streets contributing to a deadly surge in violence. susan malveaux is working the story for us. what are you learning? >> reporter: baltimore police just two hours ago tweeted there was another shooting that happened in the city, an adult male shot in the leg, a couple of blocks from where freddie gray had been arrested. throughout the day i've been talking to people asking what will calm the city down i talked to a mother politicians, activist even gang members. they're all saying one thing, there has to be a truce between
the baltimore community and the baltimore police. a flood of more than 175,000 doses of drugs on the market stolen from 27 pharmacies and clinics during the riots. a number that is expected to rise as pharmacies have still not accounted for all of the missing drugs, according to a law enforcement official. >> oxycodone, oxcy con tin, they took everything. >> baltimore police commissioner anthony batts says the surge in drugs and a fight over customers is helping fuel the violence. violence that's gotten so bad he's asking for federal help to fight it. >> criminals are selling the stolen drugs. there are turf wars happening which are leading to violence and shootings in our city. >> >> but blood gang members wolf and bones says there's in turf war and they're being unfairly blamed by the police. >> we're not fighting not no drugs, nothing. that's not us. >> what they're trying to do is take the fire and the heat off of them.
that's what they're trying to do. they need to do their jobs. >> baltimore city councilman karl stokes says the criminal element is taking advantage of the lack of leadership within the police department and the deliberate slowdown of policing. >> the commissioner lost respect and the confidence of the men and women on the streets, the police officers. what they need is a commander who has the confidence of the troops. >> the city is experiencing the deadliest crime surge in decades. in may alone, 43 homicides, the deadliest month since 1972 pushing baltimore's homicides to 119 so far this year. >> everything is just going crazy this month. >> baltimore resident and community activist ma lay ka reed says until trust can be reestablished, the violence will continue. >> we have to bridge the gap hard for us to come together collectively as a unit the gap has to be bridged with the citizens and the police department. >> reporter: and wolf baltimore
police just revised the number of homicides in may w downgrade the it from 43 to 42. one of the deaths appears to be a self inflected death. so they've downgraded the number. we should let you know attorneys are fighting over just how much the community will learn about freddie gray's autopsy report. the state's attorney wants to keep it closed wants to keep it sealed. but the defense is pushing to have it publicly released. >> suzanne thanks very much. let's get more on the story. joining ur our cnn justice reporter evan perez, also joining us the former fbi assistant director, tom fuentes. evan what are you learning from federal officials about how they will actually go in and support baltimore? >> well the pebeginning of that are happening today. the dea released pictures of five people persons of interest along with the baltimore police department that they're looking for. these are people among the 70
that were involved in the looting of some of the prescription drugs from clinics and drug stores in the baltimore area. a couple of things that we know have worked before in baltimore. we know that the u.s. attorney there did exactly this kind of strategy back in 2005 2006 they bought in the atf, the marshal service, fbi, dea and they went after some of the gangs and they locked up people. what's happening now is the result of frankly just the police pulling back some of the lack of trust that's going on between the police department and the state's attorney's office. and so what we expect to happen now is that we're going to have again another infusion of federal help from those federal agencies to pike pick off some of the really bad people who are carrying out the violence. >> there has been a serious moral issue because six of the baltimore police officers were charged in connection with the
death of freddie gray. stand by for a moment. i want to bring mark morial into this situation. baltimore wasn't in the best of places even before the latest rioting. the police commissioner said yesterday, there's enough narcotics on the streets of baltimore to keep it intoxicated for a year. how does this city fix this problem? >> well i mean i think the city by asking for the atf and the dea and the u.s. attorney and the fbi to come in is the best move and the right thing for them to do at this time. no doubt you have to get to the root of who is orchestrating the sales of these stolen narcotics on the streets of baltimore. and with that amount of illegal narcotics flowing in the streets, combined with what residents seem to be reporting, and that is an unofficial police slowdown it stands to reason that you have this unfortunate
surge in va lensiolence. but i do believe across the board we've got to understand that local police always need the atf, the dea and the fbi to be really fully engaged. because the resources needed not just to arrest those who are involved in street corner transactions or the sale of these narcotics, but those who behind the organized illegal criminal enterprises that organize and orchestrate these sales requires the resources of the federal government. so i think that's the right thing. but you know wolf the residents are saying the right thing. we've got to find a way in baltimore to build a bridge between law enforcement and the community. that's hard work. that's difficult work. but really that's the task at hand because the community needs the police to do its job in the correct way. and i think that the police want to have the trust of the community. that's the work the
commissioner, the mayor, the elected officials, the ministers all have to be on board to build that type of trust. >> you've heard, tom fuentes, so much lack of trust. there seems to be a lack of trust that the police departments have now in the police commissioner. >> that's true. but what the commissioner is asking for is nothing new that other major cities have done for decades actually. and u mean for even pre-89/11 almost every city had a street safe task force run at the federal level treating the gangs as criminal enterprises like they were mafia, using wire taps, the federal tools available. and they consisted of the fbi, atf, dea, marshals, city police state police. we've had that for years. >> one thing that's really important to sort of underscore here is you know commissioner batts i think didn't really mean to suggest that just because
175,000 dozes of prescription drugs are on the street that's what's driving the murder rate. we're talking about a much deeper problem. there's entrenched poverty. you have gang members fighting each owe, killing each other selling these. this is not just about that. it's something that is a i guess beer problem in baltimore. >> and you know, wolf i want to add this to the conversation. i was struck by the fact that the city of baltimore spends 21% less on recreation today than it did in 1998 10% less on schools that it did in 1998. and many schools in baltimore have no extracurricular activities activities no bands, choir, no student newspapers. this in evidence of making the point, is a large are question. lack of economic opportunity. but these markers point to the fact that these investments just to have a basic recreation system a basic school system in baltimore have declined since
the 1990s. >> guys thanks much. we'll stay on top of this story that's unfortunately not going away. up next the former texas governor rick perry feeling the heat as he jumps into the race. will voters give him a second chance after the dramatic collapse of his last campaign? leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big
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tonight the former texas governor rick perry is the tenth republican to officially jump into the presidential race. he launched a second run for the white house hoping to avoid the mistakes that crushed his campaign four years ago. but his announcement today wasn't without an oops free moment either. chief congressional correspondent dana bash is working the story. what happened? >> he gave a pretty strong speech a rousing speech trying to shows on the fence votersance donors that he's got it under control this time. but you know the saying don't ever let them see you sweat. whoever made that up never gave a speech in texas heat. >> i am running for the presidency of the united states of america. >> rick perry's reason for run, his leadership experience as the longest serving governor in texas history. >> vi dealt with crises after crises from the desint grags of the shuttle to hurricanes katrina, rita ike to the crisis of the border and the first
diagnose of ebola in america. there's something wrong with the dow is near record highs and businesses reason main street can't even get a loan. >> on national security criticism of the president. >> no decision has done more harm man the president's decision of with withdrawal of troops from iraq. >> his 2012 campaign went from great hope to punch line. >> education to -- commerce. and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> he blames that and other embarrassing moment on medication for back pain and being unprepared. since then he's been studying hard both on policy and performance. even working with the former head of the royal shakespeare theater. >> why did you choose that? >> i guess so my hamlet would come out right when i decide to quote hamlet. >> and i'm guessing also to
avoid an oops moment? >> that would. be preferable. >> today perry's oops moment is on what his staff forget to bring. air conditioning. he was sweating profusely in this airplane haip hangar. >> welcome and thank you to a hot hangar on june 4th. >> perry a former captain in the u.s. air force tried to everyone fa size his own military service. joining me on stage was lone survivor navy seal and tie ya kyle the widow of chris kyle. >> when i think of taya kyle i think of a brave woman who carries not just the lofty burden of chris's legacy. >> now perry brings something unusual to the presidential field. he's now a candidate with a pending indictment against him for abuse of power.
it's one his aides and some democrats call purely political. but it is unresolved. it's sitting in a texas court of appeals. and wolf his aides and lawyers are hoping that it's going to be thrown out. which they insist i talked to some today, could happen in a mat are of days. >> we'll see what happens on that front. stand by. i want to bring in gloria borger and brianna keilar. are voters going to give governor perry a second chance? >> voters always like to give people a second chance particularly when it comes to presidential politics. and i think hillary clinton would like to think that voters give people a second chance. rick perry is in a very different place from last time. this sh a guy who skyrocketed out of the box last time but he didn't have a set of beliefs ideas or a campaign. he had anideal. oh he's a governor of the state of texas and maybe he ought to run. this time he spent years kind of honing what he wants to run on and going abroad honing up
foreign policy skills. but he's nowhere in the polls. he as at 2% or 3% in iowa. >> got a lot of work. >> nowhere to go but up. >> hillary clinton she was in texas today and she started calling out some of her republican challengers by name. >> she did. we saw hillary clinton who i think she's already being docked in the polls because she's reentering the political fray and she went right into it today. any republican candidate or potential candidate who has either passed a voter i.d. law or restricted early voting she went after. rick can perry, scott walker chris christie jeb bush naming them by name. this is so big. this is the fist time she's done it. but this also speak to something that could be a weakness of hers as she runs for president. president obama was able to secure almost 100% of the african american vote in both elections that he won. she needs to do the same thing. and i think there's a lot of concern among some of her
supporters that she won't be able to do that. what did you see her doing? she was at a historically black college talking about voting rights and honoring barbara jordan jordan the first african american female elected to the house. >> i want to shift gears dramatically gloria. today there was bo biden who passed away unfortunately of brain cancer over the weekend. the son of the vopt joe biden. an emotional day for the entire biden family. his body was lying in honor at the state capital in delaware. so sad when you think about it. so young, so impressive. what a loz. >> i don't think there's anything that we can add to these pictures. it's heartbreaking. the vice president's agony is self evident, as is the agony of their entire family. i think all of us who have covered joe biden understand how
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right now we want to see how an unusual issue in the 2016 presidential race measures up. democratic candidate lincoln chafee believes the united states should convert to the metric system. tom foremapp has a closer look. ♪ >> if m&m was a fan of the metric metric plan his reed might have been 12 kilometers. and some people would love that because they think making america metric is a great idea. >> earlier i said let's be bold here's a bold embrace of internationalism. let's join the rest of the world and go metric. >> to be sure only the united states liberia and myanmar have not adopted the standard. and being among the outliers
costs real money. we have to convert, repackage and relabel products for trade, research and technology are constantly straddling the metric-american fence and well it's just confusing. in 1999 nasa literally lost a $125 million mars orbiter in space because of a mismatch of the american units of measurement and the metric standard. of course we've tried to change. in the '70s, the white house starting with president ford pushed for a makeover under the metric conversion act. president carter also championed the system. it didn't hurt that he was a runner since road races are routinely measured in kilometers. >> are you running to win this morning? >> i'm running to finish. >> and so did gasoline and 0 more was being sold by the liter. but commerce was trumped by
culture. some people were clearly not ready to watch football on a 91 meter field or measure american babies in sent meaters. and although president reagan signed an act designating the metric system as the preferred system of measurement, we later shut the program down unwilling to touch it with a ten-foot pole. >> people who think we should change this can't believe we're still tag about it and people who think it should never change can't believe we're talking about it. vi a possible solution. if europe will agree to two-prong plugs, we'll go metric with them. then can have a standard on everything. >> i think lincoln chafee are pleased we're talking about it. >> a lot of people over the past 24 hours talking about it thanks to lincoln chafee. tome foreman, thanks very much.
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